Haris Sohail and Umar Amin given fitness tests at the NCA

[Uzair Tariq]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haris Sohail and Umar Amin have given fitness tests at the NCA in Lahore ahead of the possibility of one of them replacing Umar Akmal <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ct17?src=hash">#ct17</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/866955070927241217">May 23, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[The cricket enthusiast]

the one with the best fittness?
bhai talent naam ki bhi cheez hoti hay.

new criteria to get selected in pak team just do gym and other fitness activities and have a nice diet plan .
welcome to pak team .

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

the one with the best fittness?
bhai talent naam ki bhi cheez hoti hay.

new criteria to get selected in pak team just do gym and other fitness activities and have a nice diet plan .
welcome to pak team .

welcome to Pak cricket. and you will see people supporting this too. if you are super fit then try for Pak cricket team. Cricket abilities are secondary.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

the one with the best fittness?
bhai talent naam ki bhi cheez hoti hay.

new criteria to get selected in pak team just do gym and other fitness activities and have a nice diet plan .
welcome to pak team .

Whoever has best 6 pack gets to play.

 

[DRsohail]

no ability wise the two are the same should be decided on fitness but asif zakir does not belong here..

 

[Faisalsq092]

welcome to Pak cricket. and you will see people supporting this too. if you are super fit then try for Pak cricket team. Cricket abilities are secondary.

Its not just about fitness. They have short listed three more or less equal performers from domestic cricket. Out of those three, the best with fitness will be selected. You are missing the point that they are performers first before they reached this stage. Its not like they have chosen random 3 guys to appear for a fitness test. These 3 are the shortlisted candidates based on their performances. Now the question is who will pass this stage? The one with the best fitness will move forward from hereon. In terms of talent and utility, there isn't much to differentiate between these 3.

 

[Faisalsq092]

welcome to Pak cricket. and you will see people supporting this too. if you are super fit then try for Pak cricket team. Cricket abilities are secondary.

the one with the best fittness? bhai talent naam ki bhi cheez hoti hay. new criteria to get selected in pak team just do gym and other fitness activities and have a nice diet plan . welcome to pak team . - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-have-started-in-the-NCA#sthash.R9xu2pVH.dpuf
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...r-have-started-in-the-NCA#82xrje8KuuXttD6Q.99

Its not just about fitness. They have short listed three more or less equal performers from domestic cricket. Out of those three, the best with fitness will be selected. You are missing the point that they are performers first before they reached this stage. Its not like they have chosen random 3 guys to appear for a fitness test. These 3 are the shortlisted candidates based on their performances. Now the question is who will pass this stage? The one with the best fitness will move forward from hereon. In terms of talent and utility, there isn't much to differentiate between these 3.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

no ability wise the two are the same should be decided on fitness but asif zakir does not belong here..

yes Amin with international avg of 12, 15 and 19 and pathetic record in England is equal to Haris who has an avg of 43.
and yes Amin with an avg of 38 and 36 in domestics is equal to Haris with an avg of 52 and 40.

 

[Uzair Tariq]

I can't see anything wrong here because Umar Amin and Haris Sohail are equally talented and the one with the better fitness should be selected. Don't know much about Asif Zakir though. How good is he? Can anyone enlighten me with how good is he?

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

the one with the best fittness? bhai talent naam ki bhi cheez hoti hay. new criteria to get selected in pak team just do gym and other fitness activities and have a nice diet plan . welcome to pak team . - See more at: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...-have-started-in-the-NCA#sthash.R9xu2pVH.dpuf
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...r-have-started-in-the-NCA#82xrje8KuuXttD6Q.99

Its not just about fitness. They have short listed three more or less equal performers from domestic cricket. Out of those three, the best with fitness will be selected. You are missing the point that they are performers first before they reached this stage. Its not like they have chosen random 3 guys to appear for a fitness test. These 3 are the shortlisted candidates based on their performances. Now the question is who will pass this stage? The one with the best fitness will move forward from hereon. In terms of talent and utility, there isn't much to differentiate between these 3.

Haris is a better performer in domestics than all a b c ds with proven record in international too. 2-3 good tournaments in 7 years doesnt make Amin better. Haris is a proven player. See the avgs in my above post. They do tel something

 

[Faisalsq092]

yes Amin with international avg of 12, 15 and 19 and pathetic record in England is equal to Haris who has an avg of 43.
and yes Amin with an avg of 38 and 36 in domestics is equal to Haris with an avg of 52 and 40.

On recent Pakistan Cup performances, Umar Amin is superior to Haris. A cricketer is always improving and hence recent performances only matter. Amin's medium pace too will be much more handy than Haris's pie chuckers. In a team of Accumulators, Amin's value is much more than that of Haris.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

I can't see anything wrong here because Umar Amin and Haris Sohail are equally talented and the one with the better fitness should be selected. Don't know much about Asif Zakir though. How good is he? Can anyone enlighten me with how good is he?

Equally talented?

How long as Amin been playing cricket? What are his averages?

We could have called up Farhan or a number of other top domestic players but instead we keep calling Amin and Zakir and players like these with connections.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

On recent Pakistan Cup performances, Umar Amin is superior to Haris. A cricketer is always improving and hence recent performances only matter. Amin's medium pace too will be much more handy than Haris's pie chuckers. In a team of Accumulators, Amin's value is much more than that of Haris.

Amin has no value. He is like Shan Masood, not fit for international cricket.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

On recent Pakistan Cup performances, Umar Amin is superior to Haris. A cricketer is always improving and hence recent performances only matter. Amin's medium pace too will be much more handy than Haris's pie chuckers. In a team of Accumulators, Amin's value is much more than that of Haris.

Sorry but in recent cups before Pakistan cup Kamran was the best performer but what we saw what happened to him in international. Couldnt avg even 30 against WI. I see the same flaws in Amin. Too flashy and weak defence. Kher 'fitness' is the premier criteria these days who cares about technique and ability.

 

[JibranAnsari]

welcome to Pak cricket. and you will see people supporting this too. if you are super fit then try for Pak cricket team. Cricket abilities are secondary.

So how hard is it to be fit for a professional athelete ?

 

[Faisalsq092]

Haris is a better performer in domestics than all a b c ds with proven record in international too. 2-3 good tournaments in 7 years doesnt make Amin better. Haris is a proven player. See the avgs in my above post. They do tel something

Kohli is the best LOI batsman in the world but on current form, you may trust Babar more than him. Although Kohli may soon come back to form and take back his top position, he isn't inspiring much confidence as of now.
Same can be said for Haris who surely is much superior to Umar overall, but on current form, I would rather pick Umar than Haris. Haris might soon be back to it and overtake everyone, but not currently.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

So how hard is it to be fit for a professional athelete ?

there should be a minimum criteria for fitness. If players cross that then it should be on cricket abilities not who is 'more' fit.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Sorry but in recent cups before Pakistan cup Kamran was the best performer but what we saw what happened to him in international. Couldnt avg even 30 against WI. I see the same flaws in Amin. Too flashy and weak defence. Kher 'fitness' is the premier criteria these days who cares about technique and ability.

Fitness is just as important. You have to be fit and capable. An unfit but good player can make a pretty 30 but not more.

A fit and good player can make centuries.

A fit and poor player = Anwar Ali

 

[Uzair Tariq]

On current form Amin is ahead of Haris.

 

[Faisalsq092]

Amin has no value. He is like Shan Masood, not fit for international cricket.

Bhai the innings he have been playing recently, I would like to see him given a chance rather than dicarding him as another Shan Masood. Shan Masood is a different level rubbish who is only good at maintaining fitness.

 

[DRsohail]

yes Amin with international avg of 12, 15 and 19 and pathetic record in England is equal to Haris who has an avg of 43.
and yes Amin with an avg of 38 and 36 in domestics is equal to Haris with an avg of 52 and 40.

haris has not played international cricket for 2 years and has been out of the domestics for good 2 years and amin is regular here in domestic so the 43 average argument is not valuable if he is unfit..umar amin has earned it in recent one day cup and haris was decent too so player with good fitness should make it and i think umar amin is the fittest one.....haris sohail can be back anytime if he is fit..

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Bhai the innings he have been playing recently, I would like to see him given a chance rather than dicarding him as another Shan Masood. Shan Masood is a different level rubbish who is only good at maintaining fitness.

You need to understand that our domestic cricket allows players like Kami to be top scorer. When you look at a player you need to consider stats over a number of years and base ability.

How about you compare Amin's international and Pakistan A record to Haris? What do you see?

Amin used to pay for a days worth of full tosses. The only reason he still being considered is because of his connections.

We can't have these Shan Masood type players wasting space in our team. We are bad enough as it is.

 

[Faisalsq092]

Sorry but in recent cups before Pakistan cup Kamran was the best performer but what we saw what happened to him in international. Couldnt avg even 30 against WI. I see the same flaws in Amin. Too flashy and weak defence. Kher 'fitness' is the premier criteria these days who cares about technique and ability.

Well Kamran was duly given chance, he failed, he is dropped. Case closed with no complaints left from anyone. Same is with Umar Amin, he performs, he deserves a chance, the onus is on him to grab the opportunity, he fails u move on. No complaints from anyone or no injustice to anyone.

You just cannot overlook at domestic performers. Fix the system. Its not Umar Amin's fault that he scored in the system given to him. You will kill merit if you are picking players on things more subjective than performances and results. In our corrupt system, such things let people play Shan Masood on those 'vague' immeasurable things.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Well Kamran was duly given chance, he failed, he is dropped. Case closed with no complaints left from anyone. Same is with Umar Amin, he performs, he deserves a chance, the onus is on him to grab the opportunity, he fails u move on. No complaints from anyone or no injustice to anyone.

You just cannot overlook at domestic performers. Fix the system. Its not Umar Amin's fault that he scored in the system given to him. You will kill merit if you are picking players on things more subjective than performances and results. In our corrupt system, such things let people play Shan Masood on those 'vague' immeasurable things.

Its the champions trophy, not a T20 bilateral against BD. You can't pick someone who can't even get more than 20 runs in an international match. I have seen Amin in international, he is certified mediocre. There is nothing about him. No bat speed hand eye coordination or temperament.

 

[Faisalsq092]

You need to understand that our domestic cricket allows players like Kami to be top scorer. When you look at a player you need to consider stats over a number of years and base ability.

Amin used to pay for a days worth of full tosses. The only reason he still being considered is because of his connections.

We can't have these Shan Masood type players wasting space in our team. We are bad enough as it is.

So whats the other criteria? If we are not focusing on domestic performances it becomes more easier fir players with connection to enter the team. They would be selected with vague terms used as temperemant, focus, technique. They can easily be into the team without showing anything in terms of runs or wickets.

 

[IMMY69]

A couple of posters jumped the gun, made a bit of a fool of themselve, and are now desperately trying to justify their initial stance

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Well Kamran was duly given chance, he failed, he is dropped. Case closed with no complaints left from anyone. Same is with Umar Amin, he performs, he deserves a chance, the onus is on him to grab the opportunity, he fails u move on. No complaints from anyone or no injustice to anyone.

You just cannot overlook at domestic performers. Fix the system. Its not Umar Amin's fault that he scored in the system given to him. You will kill merit if you are picking players on things more subjective than performances and results. In our corrupt system, such things let people play Shan Masood on those 'vague' immeasurable things.

Yep in that sense Fawad Alam , Khurram Manzoor should also be given chances in odis then?
Manzoor the only one who scored a 100 with almost 200 SR in Pakistan cup.
And if they fail move on some other, and then some other.
But I am sorry teams arent build like this that you give some chances to a player in 1 series and then discard him and then bring some other and then discard him and so on.

I am not saying domestic stats should be discarded but there should be other factors like technique, ability, international record, long term prospects etc.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

So whats the other criteria? If we are not focusing on domestic performances it becomes more easier fir players with connection to enter the team. They would be selected with vague terms used as temperemant, focus, technique. They can easily be into the team without showing anything in terms of runs or wickets.

Provided Haris passes the fitness test then he should be picked. It shouldn't make a difference if the others passed better as long as Haris meets the criteria. He has the best international record out of the 3.

Instead of Amin, Farhan should have been there or even Yamin. Just not a player like Yamin who at 27 averages 19 after 15 matches and got dropped years ago. That is not roadmap of an international cricketer.

 

[MenInG]

Looks like a good possibility but we never know

 

[Major]

the same nca which declared akmal fit

 

[ask_analyse_act]

A couple of posters jumped the gun, made a bit of a fool of themselve, and are now desperately trying to justify their initial stance

Amin, Haris, Fawad, Khurram and farhan were the century scorers in the recently concluded pakistan cup

Ok when we look at the other matches played in the same cup and the form of the batsman makes khurram is the odd one out

And need replacement for a middle order also farhan being inexperienced not in contention and the next odd one out

Amin Haris Fawad

if the mgmt looking for a left hander then there is all 3, now who can hit sixers makes fawad the odd one out also in the century he played he plays with less S/R intially and then made it 100 with huffing and puffing to hit boundaries

Amin and Haris are the ones who scored with better S/R right from the beginning in those centuries scored in pak cup

Now comes the fitness test and the past int'l experience.

if both players have passed fitness tests then Haris was selected on his past int'l experience who played the modern game back then.

I totally agree with the selection of Haris as replacement.. The question here is did he pass the same fitness test conducted by the mgmt then it is unfair on UA as he was also declared fit by the same NCA before being sent back now...

In all dont know how Asif Zakir came into the picture, and glad Inzi the revolutionary didnt send him as replacement

 

[Slog]

the one with the best fittness?
bhai talent naam ki bhi cheez hoti hay.

new criteria to get selected in pak team just do gym and other fitness activities and have a nice diet plan .
welcome to pak team .

welcome to Pak cricket. and you will see people supporting this too. if you are super fit then try for Pak cricket team. Cricket abilities are secondary.

Firstly. These are simple fitness tests. The bare minimum for a professional sportsman.

Secondly. If fitness was the criterion Amad Butt would be captain. Guy haas a six pack

 

[Hawkeye]

On current form, I would have taken Amin.

Looks like PCB/Arthur have lost their minds.

 

[Hamza_]

On current form, I would have taken Amin.

Looks like PCB/Arthur have lost their minds.

Yes. They are rushing in Haris.

Umar Amin was the best choice. Also we are likely to face opening problems and he could solve them

 

[Hawkeye]

Yes. They are rushing in Haris.

Umar Amin was the best choice. Also we are likely to face opening problems and he could solve them

Correct.

Though I'm not really unhappy with Haris, he's one of our best bats if in form.

Both Haris + Amin should've been in the team in place of Malik + Shehzad.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Yes. They are rushing in Haris.

Umar Amin was the best choice. Also we are likely to face opening problems and he could solve them

Amin solving what? Are you deluded? What has Amin accomplished in cricket for him to be a solution to anything?

Haris has a track record and temperament. He has proved it. What does Amin have?

 

[Hamza_]

Amin solving what? Are you deluded? What has Amin accomplished in cricket for him to be a solution to anything?

Haris has a track record and temperament. He has proved it. What does Amin have?

Umar Amin should be given consistent chances. He has the ability

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Umar Amin should be given consistent chances. He has the ability

Ability to average 19. Anyone can be a top scorer in domestics. His international record and Pakistan record is appaling. He is not good enough for international cricket. Thats he is 27 with 15 ODIs under his belt.

Only reason he is still in reckoning is because of his connections and lobby.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Both Umar Amin and Haris Sohail are pretty good batsmen, but latter is much better than the former.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Fitness is just as important. You have to be fit and capable. An unfit but good player can make a pretty 30 but not more.

A fit and good player can make centuries.

A fit and poor player = Anwar Ali

I totally agree that fitness should be a criteria.
But fitness alone shouldnt be the criteria. There should be a barrier for fitness and if players dont cross it, dont select them. But if players achieve it then it should come down to ability not who is 'more' fit.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Firstly. These are simple fitness tests. The bare minimum for a professional sportsman.

Secondly. If fitness was the criterion Amad Butt would be captain. Guy haas a six pack

You missed the first post to which we both replied. The post is edited now. It was along the lines that news is Umar Amin will be selected because he has better fitness.

 

[JibranAnsari]

I totally agree that fitness should be a criteria.
But fitness alone shouldnt be the criteria. There should be a barrier for fitness and if players dont cross it, dont select them. But if players achieve it then it should come down to ability not who is 'more' fit.

I think the basic criterion is that you should be fit enough to field , to run and stay in the field for a specific period of time. If you can't down enough to pick up the ball or can't stop a single by diving quickly it means that you arent fit enough to play this sport. Its not about who is fitter than the other.

 

[Hamza_]

Ability to average 19. Anyone can be a top scorer in domestics. His international record and Pakistan record is appaling. He is not good enough for international cricket. Thats he is 27 with 15 ODIs under his belt.

Only reason he is still in reckoning is because of his connections and lobby.

Sharjeel averaged pretty low as well in his first 10-20 outings.

 

[asfan.dari]

They didn't call the whole Domestic batsmen for test , first they choose skill talent form and then they asked these two to give Fitness test , ability first and then see if they have the fitness to be in stage!