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Although I think a player like Haris doesn't need big scores for selection (rather just needs to be match fit) but even if we look at Pakistan cup he played 3 valuable innings in 3 matches. A hundred and 2 50s.

He has looked the best player to me. At ease against pace, solid in defense, no flashy stroke play and milking spinners easily for runs.

Enough of mediocrity. Get him in the team Now!!
 
He is a must, one of the best player of pace bowling available and as conditions in England support pace bowling, he can be a very useful player for Pakistan.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
He is a must, one of the best player of pace bowling available and as conditions in England support pace bowling, he can be a very useful player for Pakistan.
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Havent ever seen him getting in trouble against swing, seam and pace throughout his domestic career.
 
Problem is national treasure won't be removed . Harris should be able to get a place in the test squad once Misbah and Younis retire.
 
Rayyman said:
Only if Kami or Shehzad is dropped. Then Professor can open and Haris can come at 4.
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He still won't, as he is afraid of new ball and his recent success at No.4 against WI will tempt him to stick with that position.
 
What may happen is they may push Babar to open and slot Haris at three, this is because, Mickey and Inzi are Hafeez's biggest fans and they will not want to move national treasure from the number four position.
 
Possible lineup

Fakhar
Hafeez
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad
Yamin
Aamir
Sohail K
Hasan
 
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You need to risk it and play your best team in CT.. The next big tournament would probably be WC? What's the point of playing your best team in bilaterals no one gives a crap about them play it in tournaments which matter..
 
Inzi is easily making me think that he probably is the worst selector we've had in recent times.

With blokes like Haroon amd Iqbal Qasim you can atleast take comfort in the fact that they are total idiots who do not know anything about the modern game.

With Inzi, someone who has played until freaking 2007 :livid: you just wanna pull your hair out in frustration :livid: :livid: - I wouldn't have imagined he would be this brainless.....this is almost on the level of Umer Akmal crazy......

:sanga
 
Syed1 said:
What may happen is they may push Babar to open and slot Haris at three, this is because, Mickey and Inzi are Hafeez's biggest fans and they will not want to move national treasure from the number four position.
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Hafeez prefers opening....

Hafeez
Amin
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad/Akmal
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Wahab

Good batting and bowling... CT winner team... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
 
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JoniInsafian said:
Hafeez prefers opening....

Hafeez
Amin
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad/Akmal
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Wahab

Good batting and bowling... CT winner team... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
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At least Hafeez, for as useless as he is with the bat, still brings something to the table with the ball.

What does Akmal bring to the team other than his belly fat ?? And you're putting him against Imad :O :O !!
 
JoniInsafian said:
Hafeez prefers opening....

Hafeez
Amin
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad/Akmal
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Wahab

Good batting and bowling... CT winner team... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
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That's actually pretty good. Though I'd have Sohail Khan in for Shadab in swinging conditions. Amin won't be selected so Shehzad in for him. Umar should be selected as the backup middle order batsman; But shouldn't play unless somebody is injured.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
9 times out of 10 Haris and Babar can put on 100 run partnership at 100 SR. This is what we need in the middle order.
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Exactly!

They are our two best middle order batsman and should be given those roles.

Malik should come in at number 5 afterwards.
 
msb314 said:
Exactly!

They are our two best middle order batsman and should be given those roles.

Malik should come in at number 5 afterwards.
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6 is too low for Sarfaraz. He cannot bat at 150 SR consistently.

Sarf may have to open or play at 5 with Malik at 6.
 
Syed1 said:
6 is too low for Sarfaraz. He cannot bat at 150 SR consistently.

Sarf may have to open or play at 5 with Malik at 6.
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If I had to choose between Malik or Sarfraz at 5 - I would always go for Malik.

He can pace his innings well and milk the spinners even better than Sarfraz.

Sarfraz could open but I think Mickey will prefer two traditional openers - Sarfraz will just have to adjust his game at no. 6.
 
msb314 said:
If I had to choose between Malik or Sarfraz at 5 - I would always go for Malik.

He can pace his innings well and milk the spinners even better than Sarfraz.

Sarfraz could open but I think Mickey will prefer two traditional openers - Sarfraz will just have to adjust his game at no. 6.
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I really want to see this team that Inzi selects. Then we can devise our lineups and match tactics. :D
 
Rayyman said:
I really want to see this team that Inzi selects. Then we can devise our lineups and match tactics. :D
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No way in hell is Inzi selecting Haris. I doubt if Inzi even knows what Harry has done in the PC.
 
ahmedwaqas92 said:
Inzi is easily making me think that he probably is the worst selector we've had in recent times.

With blokes like Haroon amd Iqbal Qasim you can atleast take comfort in the fact that they are total idiots who do not know anything about the modern game.

With Inzi, someone who has played until freaking 2007 :livid: you just wanna pull your hair out in frustration :livid: :livid: - I wouldn't have imagined he would be this brainless.....this is almost on the level of Umer Akmal crazy......

:sanga
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Waqar recommended him. No wonder he is poor in this job.

Inzi would have been alot better as a batting coach at the NCA or national team. That's his expertise.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
bro i see you asking for the removal of ttfs and trying other players. Which players do you rate/like to be part of the team. From what i remember apart from Haris you also dont want Amin. Then who?
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I am ok with Harris but not before a full year of domestic cricket. To me his fitness is still not bankable. And yes I do doubt the pedigree of Pakistan's supposed best batting hope for the last 5 years of he just scored his first list a century just last week.
All o am saying is that it's not a forgone conclusion because I am nervous about his fitness
 
Haris Sohail can bat at a decent strike rate and will relieve pressure off of Babar Azam by rotating the strike. This is something that MoHa does not excel at.

That being said, here is the team that I would select for CT then.

Fakhar
MoHa
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Malik
Aamir Yameen
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan/Sohail Khan
Mo Amir
Hassan Ali

Depending on conditions, I would interchange between Shadab and Sohail. This way we bat deep to seven, and have at least 3 minimum or 4 pacers and 2 minimum or 3 spinners.

I would have Umar Amin, Umar Akmal, Sohail Khan/Shadab Khan, and Wahab Riaz as my backups. Amin can play top three spots, Akmal can be middle to lower order, and Wahab can be the backup pacer. They shouldn't play unless someone is injured though.
 
Lets be clear on our need: we need a power hitter or two in the lineup.

Is Haris a powerhitter? I don't think so. He's in the mould of the rest of our batsman and can score at a SR of 85-90 on average. I don't understand the hype. While he is certainly an improvement on Hafeez, he's not our saviour. What am I missing?
 
Mo Dipsy said:
Lets be clear on our need: we need a power hitter or two in the lineup.

Is Haris a powerhitter? I don't think so. He's in the mould of the rest of our batsman and can score at a SR of 85-90 on average. I don't understand the hype. While he is certainly an improvement on Hafeez, he's not our saviour. What am I missing?
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Aamir Yameen, and Sohail Khan would be our power hitters in the above squads. Additionally, Shoaib Malik is batting down the order now, so he can also accelerate when needed.
 
shaikhanasm said:
Haris Sohail can bat at a decent strike rate and will relieve pressure off of Babar Azam by rotating the strike. This is something that MoHa does not excel at.

That being said, here is the team that I would select for CT then.

Fakhar
MoHa
Babar
Haris
Sarfaraz
Malik
Aamir Yameen
Imad Wasim
Shadab Khan/Sohail Khan
Mo Amir
Hassan Ali

Depending on conditions, I would interchange between Shadab and Sohail. This way we bat deep to seven, and have at least 3 minimum or 4 pacers and 2 minimum or 3 spinners.

I would have Umar Amin, Umar Akmal, Sohail Khan/Shadab Khan, and Wahab Riaz as my backups. Amin can play top three spots, Akmal can be middle to lower order, and Wahab can be the backup pacer. They shouldn't play unless someone is injured though.
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Sounds perfect except the fact that we need someone else in place of MoHa. He'll suck the life out of the entire innings.
 
Mo Dipsy said:
Lets be clear on our need: we need a power hitter or two in the lineup.

Is Haris a powerhitter? I don't think so. He's in the mould of the rest of our batsman and can score at a SR of 85-90 on average. I don't understand the hype. While he is certainly an improvement on Hafeez, he's not our saviour. What am I missing?
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What am i missing? How many players in the world have an average strike rate of more than 85-90? Most modern day great LOI batsmen have the average strike rate between 85-90. Its all about pacing the innings.

Pakistani fans need to understand the difference between two things :

1)scoring at a strike rate of 85-90 throughout the innings

2)ending up with a strike rate of 85-90.

Haris sohail generally maintains a good strike rate throughout his innings while a guy like hafeez hovers around 50-60 strike rate and in the end he hits some boundaries off spinners to take his strike rate to 85-90. The former is an asset while the latter is cancerous.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Sounds perfect except the fact that we need someone else in place of MoHa. He'll suck the life out of the entire innings.
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Who else is there in domestic cricket that can open? I don't think Shehzad or Akmals deserve to open, and Hafeez is in a great form these days, esp. if he can play out the first 40-50 balls. Better for him to do it at the beginning of the innings, than between overs 15-30.

It would be better to have Hafeez open than any other person. His bowling is economical too. As much as I don't want him in the team, he is the best candidate to open CT, as Sharjeel most likely won't be there.

What do you think?
 
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz

The ideal middle-order for Pakistan at the moment.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz

The ideal middle-order for Pakistan at the moment.
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I concur. Need 2 explosive openers in gilly hayden mould and two explosive finishers in maxwell/miller mould ( one can dream ).

I dont know about openers but amir yamin can be tried as a finisher because from what i have seen, he has a good hitting technique. He is better than a number 7 batsman but gotta use him where he is needed.
 
I really hope he is in the squad. Hafeez and Zaman can open. He can come in at 4, Babar Azam at 3.
 
Madplayer said:
I concur. Need 2 explosive openers in gilly hayden mould and two explosive finishers in maxwell/miller mould ( one can dream ).

I dont know about openers but amir yamin can be tried as a finisher because from what i have seen, he has a good hitting technique. He is better than a number 7 batsman but gotta use him where he is needed.
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Since Hafeez is not going to go for a while, he has to open given the circumstances. Not much difference between him or Shehzad or Kamran opening, but adding Haris does beef up the middle-order.
 
shaikhanasm said:
Who else is there in domestic cricket that can open? I don't think Shehzad or Akmals deserve to open, and Hafeez is in a great form these days, esp. if he can play out the first 40-50 balls. Better for him to do it at the beginning of the innings, than between overs 15-30.

It would be better to have Hafeez open than any other person. His bowling is economical too. As much as I don't want him in the team, he is the best candidate to open CT, as Sharjeel most likely won't be there.

What do you think?
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Yes, Sharjeel wont be there but Muhammad Hafeez shouldn't be there either. There's at least 10 guys in the domestics that can replace him. He's in no good form, bashing a few minnows and that too by playing 90's style cricket is no big feat. In England, against top sides, he will waste deliveries by playing his 90's style cricket, suck the life out of the innings and then get out without making a positive impact. Deserves to be nowhere near the team. Umar Amin can easily replace him. Heck, even Kamran Akmal is a better opener. At least he doesn't play selfish cricket.
 
Kamran (Has to play shots from the word go)
Hafeez
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad/Yamin
Shadab (Always got to have a leg spinner)
Sohail Khan
Amir
Hasan Ali

Best Team that we can field ATM
 
Pete Rose said:
I am ok with Harris but not before a full year of domestic cricket. To me his fitness is still not bankable. And yes I do doubt the pedigree of Pakistan's supposed best batting hope for the last 5 years of he just scored his first list a century just last week.
All o am saying is that it's not a forgone conclusion because I am nervous about his fitness
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Agreed. No need to rush him back and he needs to be fit. Injuries will be a reoccurring theme for a bigger body. No one is above being fit, even if they're a talent. Sets a bad precedent otherwise and might send a message to stop eating pakoras.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Sounds perfect except the fact that we need someone else in place of MoHa. He'll suck the life out of the entire innings.
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We all are banking on the fact that if Hafeez opens he will face the newish ball and would generally perish within the first couple of overs without wasting too many bowls. If he plays at four he will face easier bowling and hence would take his time to get settled.
 
Syed1 said:
We all are banking on the fact that if Hafeez opens he will face the newish ball and would generally perish within the first couple of overs without wasting too many bowls. If he plays at four he will face easier bowling and hence would take his time to get settled.
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Im hoping against hope he doesn't play to begin with. But if he absolutely has to make the team then you're right it has to be as opener.
 
JoniInsafian said:
Hafeez prefers opening....

Hafeez
Amin
Babar
Haris
Malik
Sarfraz
Imad/Akmal
Shadab
Amir
Hasan
Wahab

Good batting and bowling... CT winner team... [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]
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I think, I'll take the top 7, including Umar at 7, instead of Imad. That protects Sarfraz a bit, because at 6 & as last specialist bat (& Captain) he often puts too much pressure on him. He is quite capable to score 23 of 18 at 6, which'll be perfect, if Umar bats at 7 (& delivers). Imad is not likely to do much with ball, therefore it's Imad vs Umar as batsman & I'll pick Umar.

However, the pace bowling attack is a bit weak - Wahab is always a risk on this off day & there is no back up pacer. In that regard, I'll actually play Yamin at 7 & take a pacer who can use the new ball with Amir - may be Sohail, or a new face Sameen or Adil (Ehsan). For squad, Fakhar should be considered, because he is in great touch & bowling as well, though not sure how much he can do in UK with his bottom hand technique - in moving condition, you need top hand players, but this guy grips the bat almost at it's root (low est point of handle) & use the bat like axe, ala Ijaz. One of Umar or Kamran has to be taken, because PAK doesn't have any other batsman (without Asad & Rizwan in squad) who can keep.

My 16 will be

MoHa, Amin
Babar, Haris, Malik, Sarfraz
Yamin, Shadab
Sohail, Amir, Hasan,
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Imad, Sameen, Umar, Fakhar, Talat

Talat misses out if it's 15 men squad,while they might take any new pacer (May be, that tall guy from LQ), but not Wahab. In June, he doesn't have any role in UK.
 
MMHS said:
I think, I'll take the top 7, including Umar at 7, instead of Imad. That protects Sarfraz a bit, because at 6 & as last specialist bat (& Captain) he often puts too much pressure on him. He is quite capable to score 23 of 18 at 6, which'll be perfect, if Umar bats at 7 (& delivers). Imad is not likely to do much with ball, therefore it's Imad vs Umar as batsman & I'll pick Umar.

However, the pace bowling attack is a bit weak - Wahab is always a risk on this off day & there is no back up pacer. In that regard, I'll actually play Yamin at 7 & take a pacer who can use the new ball with Amir - may be Sohail, or a new face Sameen or Adil (Ehsan). For squad, Fakhar should be considered, because he is in great touch & bowling as well, though not sure how much he can do in UK with his bottom hand technique - in moving condition, you need top hand players, but this guy grips the bat almost at it's root (low est point of handle) & use the bat like axe, ala Ijaz. One of Umar or Kamran has to be taken, because PAK doesn't have any other batsman (without Asad & Rizwan in squad) who can keep.

My 16 will be

MoHa, Amin
Babar, Haris, Malik, Sarfraz
Yamin, Shadab
Sohail, Amir, Hasan,
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Imad, Sameen, Umar, Fakhar, Talat

Talat misses out if it's 15 men squad,while they might take any new pacer (May be, that tall guy from LQ), but not Wahab. In June, he doesn't have any role in UK.
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If it's a bit drier & 300+ surface, then may be Imad replaces Sohail (& bat at 7, pushing Yamin at 8) - that makes it probably the strongest PAK batting line-up in many years, which MUST have to be factored by top order, in terms of pacing the innings. Having Imad, Yamin, Shadab, Amir & Hasan from 7 to 11 gives almost bottomless depth, therefore MoHa MUST NOT take 38 balls in PP to reach 23 & then get out for 29 of 48. This lineup must cover 20 runs mark-up that will be required, for that missed 3rd pacer.
 
Feeling sad.

Incase of any injury to any middle order batsman I wanted Haris Sohail as replacement.

Now Amin would be preferred. Haris is better.
 
If anything Sami Aslam should be put in that squad due to his form
 
MenInG said:
If anything Sami Aslam should be put in that squad due to his form
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We already have 3 openers and if you count Hafeez than 4.

We don't have any backup middle order batsman. Akmal is picked most probably as a number 6 backup option.
 
[MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION]

CD , How do you see Haris's form and fitness ? Today he was middling well.

I missed his PC hundred.
 
Failing today means he almost certainly will not be coming to the Champions Trophy
 
Irrespective of Today's match result it has been establisheded once again that we desperately need Haris Sohail in the middle order even if we have to drop a bowler or all-rounder.


These hundreds of Dot Balls will take us nowhere.


This is not 1980 :livid::livid:
 
Why wasn't Haris Sohail played against India and overlooked for the game against South Africa?

Harris averages 44 runs in ODIs. He is decent left arm spinner. Playing him at 4 with babar at 3 will give lot of strength to batting. He can easily replace Imad who is neither a spinner nor a batsman.
 
Haris is a good batsman but he hasn't looked the same after the injury.He looked awful in PSL,though he will perform better than many who are in the playing 11 but I feel Sarfaraz at 4 will be a better option
 
Haris, Azhar, Babar, Hafeez and Malik - all are made from the same mold. All try to play the anchor role to elongate their career in the team at the price of a win.

You're left with Shahzad who is crap and Sarfaraz who occasionally ups the ante.

No point adding more anchors to your batting line up. Get in players who have an attacking mindset.
 
Statsman said:
Haris, Azhar, Babar, Hafeez and Malik - all are made from the same mold. All try to play the anchor role to elongate their career in the team at the price of a win.

You're left with Shahzad who is crap and Sarfaraz who occasionally ups the ante.

No point adding more anchors to your batting line up. Get in players who have an attacking mindset.
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Basically this.

But.. wait until fans of one of the players you mention flock to this thread and start abusing you.

Anyway, Babar and Haris aren't as limited as Malik/Hafeez/Shehzad/Sarf even when it comes to playing the anchor role.

Can play pace bowlers well and accelerate a bit. They still need hitters around them for cushioning.
 
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Folks, why has Md Rizwan fallen off the radar so fast? He has a very good List A record and did quite well during his initial few games. Given the mediocrity in the middle order, he should have been persisted with. He is more attacking than all of them there now.
 
redmaverik84 said:
Folks, why has Md Rizwan fallen off the radar so fast? He has a very good List A record and did quite well during his initial few games. Given the mediocrity in the middle order, he should have been persisted with. He is more attacking than all of them there now.
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:91: He was a joke of player,used to look for singles and doubles in the last over of the match and hardly used to play aggressively
 
redmaverik84 said:
Folks, why has Md Rizwan fallen off the radar so fast? He has a very good List A record and did quite well during his initial few games. Given the mediocrity in the middle order, he should have been persisted with. He is more attacking than all of them there now.
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Rizwan got enough chance to prove. Let him have a big domestic season first before he return to Pakistan team
 
What will it take for Haris Sohail to get a game?

Azhar Ali is not an ODI batsman (not to mention was dropped on 3 today too) and Hafeez has been atrocious with the bat thus far.

Surely, Haris Sohail can't be any worse? He is in the squad so he is fit and should get a chance.

England a far superior side to us in home conditions and without a solid batting display we have no chance. I'd go as far to say we are more likely to beat India than England.
 
wont be any change, might being back shadab but other than that, nothing... its shameless how every micky arthur is still playing haffez..
 
Not sure what will it take to drop Hafeez. Don't tell me Haris will do worse than him. Even, #8 Aamir is a better batsman than this guy.
 
Shadab and Haris need to come in for Hafeez and Imad. Shehzad for Azhar, he might be just as bad with his SR but he can hit boundaries and won't run anyone out.
 
I'd keep azhar as we probably need someone who can anchor the innings even though it's not quick enough his batting
 
I love the guy and he should be playing. He is a great cricketer. He can do everything Hafeez can do....and then some.

The thing that is working against him is he hasn't played any practice match or anything leading up to this tournament. But still he can't be worse than Hafeez.
 
Mickey needs to realize that he has to back young blood and select appropriate players for the format.

Zaman Ashraf, Fahim and Shahdab all played a part in the games they have played.

Hafeez and Azhar have only provided us with anger and pain. I can't bare the thought of watching Hafeez and Azhar tuk, tuk, tuk in the semi finals vs. England while chasing 275+.

Also, this team has already exceeded any expectations I may have had. Pakistan on paper are one of the weakest teams. They shouldn't in the position they are in now.
 
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Where even is Haris? I swear I haven't seen his face anywhere throughout the whole tournament. Not in the pavilion, not after the games, not in training sessions... nowhere. Does the guy even exist?! Or is it just me?
 
Azhar is not an opener. He should be moved lower down the order when fielders are spread out.
 
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