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Has Imam-ul-Haq proved his critics wrong?

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I was really criticising him badly in last month but he has proved me wrong. I will take my words back. He has looked solid in the ODI series and very consistent. He is a good prospect who needs a long run. It's not like we have great options either. Hopefully he will keep putting consistent performances like these.
 
Not yet. He's certainly consistent and puts a price on his wicket, but really needs to develop his strike rotation early in his innings. Can't see him contributing positively if we're in a situation where we have to chase 300+
 
He will win me over if he can hit powerful strokes without having to charge down the crease. Apart from that, he's solid.
 
6 out of 10.

As pointed out by [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] good for low to mid scoring contests but when the game demands 300+ totals he's a liability.
 
topspin said:
6 out of 10.

As pointed out by [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] good thing for low to mid scoring contests but when the game demands 300+ totals he's a liability.
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I'll stick with him for now. He has a good mentality and good attitude.
 
Needs to keep improving. As long as he does that, he’ll have a long career
 
I like his mentality - he's improved against the short ball showing a desire to work hard. The SR is only problem. Good bowling attacks won't allow you to make up for slow starts.
 
Not yet.

But a reminder that we need to be patient with youngsters/debutants as they take time to settle and show their talent.

Ie: Smith struggled badly v Pak in 2010 tour in England, but Aus persisted with him and it paid off.
 
babajee said:
He will win me over if he can hit powerful strokes without having to charge down the crease. Apart from that, he's solid.
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I am sure he cries himself to bed every night for not being able to win you over yet.

Ontopic: Amazing prospect, Pakistan is lucky to have him, Inzy most certainly got an eye for talent. 1000 runs in no time wow!!
 
I would say yes. He’s a good player.

Even if his performance drops as it usually happens with new players he is still good enough to play for Pakistan.

People talk about his strike rate, but a team like ours with such low batting standards he’s more than good enough for us.

I was initially against him because of his relations to inzamam and his mediocre domestic stats but he’s proven as all wrong for now atleast.
 
MRSN said:
This. We have a history of spoiling average chases.
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our fans don't realise that, they quickly jump to something we've never done as a side but fail to understand how we didn't make a mess of the few chases we've done this series....which we've ALWAYS done
 
Markhor said:
I like his mentality and guts. The SR is only problem. Good bowling attacks won't allow you to make up for slow starts.
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It's not a problem, we don't need batsman at the top to smash every ball. You need a batsman who is watchful to and he has the best combination between attack and defence for a Pakistani opener in a long time and his style compliments Fakhar beautifully. He was taking singles with ease in this game was great to see, that can do wonders for your partner especially.
 
Markhor said:
I like his mentality - he's improved against the short ball showing a desire to work hard. The SR is only problem. Good bowling attacks won't allow you to make up for slow starts.
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was this not a good bowling attack?

some of you like creating problems where there are none.
 
Yes, including myself. I criticize performance not the player and he comes of age , finally. In the beginning I rated him very high but he has been a disappointment for some time but thanks to uncle Inzi he got a very long rope and now performing. Good for him and good for the team .
 
topspin said:
If we had Sharjeel we certainly could with a top 4 that looks like this:

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Shan Masood
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we'll never know now will we? especially if we play all our cricket in the UAE.

no point in discussing the 'woulda, coulda, shoulda'
 
Chokli said:
was this not a good bowling attack?

some of you like creating problems where there are none.
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This is the problem with our fanbase. One minute hyper-critical, the next blindly supportive.

I have never blindly praised or criticised Imam. I objectively assess every player based on what I see. Unlike some, I don't belong to any fan clubs for certain players.

He averages 50 against nonminnows which is excellent but has a SR of 75. This will be problematic in games where a par score may be 300+, especially in England where ODI pitches are flat, dead wickets, or chases involving a RRR of 6+ RPO.

I don't want him dropped but I want him to keep improving and add 7-8% to his SR. There's been countless examples of young Pakistani batsmen starting their careers superbly before falling away when opposition do their homework. However Imam looks like someone who works on his weaknesses - I'm impressed by how he's worked on the short ball, and has an excellent mentor in his uncle.
 
Markhor said:
This is the problem with our fanbase. One minute hyper-critical, the next blindly supportive.

I have never blindly praised or criticised Imam. I objectively assess every player based on what I see. Unlike some, I don't belong to any fan clubs for certain players.

He averages 50 against nonminnows which is excellent but has a SR of 75. This will be problematic in games where a par score may be 300+, especially in England where ODI pitches are flat, dead wickets, or chases involving a RRR of 6+ RPO.

I don't want him dropped but I want him to keep improving and add 7-8% to his SR. There's been countless examples of young Pakistani batsmen starting their careers superbly before falling away when opposition do their homework. However Imam looks like someone who works on his weaknesses - I'm impressed by how he's worked on the short ball, and has an excellent mentor in his uncle.
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you need to take it by a match by match basis.

stop looking at stats so much
 
No, he’s just another Ahmed Shehzad.

Whenever he gets close to a landmark, he’ll slow down the run rate.
 
Yes, he is really a very solid top order batsmen.

Our top 4 is shaping up very nicely!
 
An odi opener that averages 50 at 75/80 SR isn’t good enough for Pakistan team...yes yes please clap for these experts

Does anyone understand how valuable that combo is to score 300+. Your openers don’t need to smash at 100+ SR to score 300, you need your middle to lower middle to score 80-100 in last 10 when the platform has been set
 
topspin said:
Totally agree but threads like this are a massive overreaction for an average player.
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Among his competition and domestic Pak cricketers, he'll be the 2nd last person on the team to be dropped (1st being Babar). Out of everyone.

So how is he average?

What are the others then?

If you are comparing with top 2 teams, that's just unfair. We don't have those players.
 
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Pak team has reached the next level compared to even Asia cup. Barring that one low scoring game, they are capable now of posting decent totals and chasing good totals. Imam is one of the biggest reasons for that. He's playing his role to perfection.
 
Hasan123 said:
Some of the stick he has gotten has been OTT tbf. He has proven a lot of people wrong so far. But he needs to keep this up.

I hope he keeps on giving [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] stomaches especially as he supports a player who doesn't even make the team on merit but has the nerve to call for Imam to be dropped. ::)))
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It's refreshing to see him for once perform against non-minnows although I'm convinced his ton in the last game was a selfish innings. It should have been minimum 340 score on such an excellent batting wicket with wickets in hand. To end with a SR of 86-88, having used up so many balls hampered the side's chances of defending their total.

He deserves some of the stick because previously he was just a mere minnow basher as well as being ruthlessly exposed against the short ball along with his sedate batting. I'm very happy to see Inzi has helped enhance his game on the back foot, looks a better player now with more scoring options with the bat.

All I want to see from him going forward is to bat improve his SR from 50-60 in the first 10 overs to 85-100. I know Fakhar is the aggressor but Imam can't just merely occupy the crease during the first ten PP overs.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] blind support of Sarfraz and blind hatred of Imam tells you he's nothing more than a fake Pakistan fan.
 
Hawkeye said:
Among his competition and domestic Pak cricketers, he'll be the 2nd last person on the team to be dropped (1st being Babar). Out of everyone.

So how is he average?

What are the others then?

If you are comparing with top 2 teams, that's just unfair. We don't have those players.
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No I'm comparing him with SENA + India. Compared to the best 3 openers of each of their sides, he is vastly inferior.

When you look at his record against non-minnows, he's done nothing other than these two matches for SA.

There is no doubt he has improved as a batsman especially against the short ball but to come out "Has he proved his critics wrong" is absurd.

His ton in the last ODI on Friday was a selfish knock and proved to be a useless one as well to be frank.
 
Don't mix-up the formats. He was mostly criticized for his performance in test cricket.
 
Again, he played to the match situation today. His strike rate will improve over time but there is nothing wrong with having an anchor at the top of the innings. We already have a fakhar zaman at the top and don’t need two. We all know how influentual his innings have been.
 
Darkrai said:
Don't mix-up the formats. He was mostly criticized for his performance in test cricket.
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Even in the tests he showed a lot more resilience and gut than the other batsmen and even put on some Good scores
 
topspin said:
No I'm comparing him with SENA + India. Compared to the best 3 openers of each of their sides, he is vastly inferior.
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there's your first problem, after saeed anwar we've never had a opener that can match any other teams' openers.


When you look at his record against non-minnows, he's done nothing other than these two matches for SA.
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of course, has he even gotten the chance to play against any non-minnows? he played one ODI versus NZ in NZ, then he played the asia cup where he saved us against afghanistan and made our defeat less hurtful against bangladesh, failed against india in both matches but so did every one else that is not named malik.

of course he has nothing against non-minnows when he's barely played against them.

and now when he finally has played against them, he's performed better in south africa than any pakistani opener you've ever had.

first odi he scored - you won
second odi he failed - you lost
third odi he scored - rain ruined it
fourth odi he scored - you won

There is no doubt he has improved as a batsman especially against the short ball but to come out "Has he proved his critics wrong" is absurd.
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and he's only going to get better

His ton in the last ODI on Friday was a selfish knock and proved to be a useless one as well to be frank.
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he did his job, the rest of the players didn't.
 
Chokli said:
there's your first problem, after saeed anwar we've never had a opener that can match any other teams' openers.




of course, has he even gotten the chance to play against any non-minnows? he played one ODI versus NZ in NZ, then he played the asia cup where he saved us against afghanistan and made our defeat less hurtful against bangladesh, failed against india in both matches but so did every one else that is not named malik.

of course he has nothing against non-minnows when he's barely played against them.

and now when he finally has played against them, he's performed better in south africa than any pakistani opener you've ever had.

first odi he scored - you won
second odi he failed - you lost
third odi he scored - rain ruined it
fourth odi he scored - you won



and he's only going to get better



he did his job, the rest of the players didn't.
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This is what should be said. He hasn't even played enough against top teams to show his potential.
Now look.
He is the leading runscorer of this series by a distance with 2 fifties and a century in 4 games. His strike rate is pretty similar to other players as well.
 
No not yet. He has to score big runs in major matches like the decider coming up on Wednesday. A few decent performances does not mean he's off the hook.
 
MRSN said:
I was really criticising him badly in last month but he has proved me wrong. I will take my words back. He has looked solid in the ODI series and very consistent. He is a good prospect who needs a long run. It's not like we have great options either. Hopefully he will keep putting consistent performances like these.
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You are honest to admit that when some other posters still bash Imam while trying to prove Sarfraz is as good as IK.
 
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topspin said:
No I'm comparing him with SENA + India. Compared to the best 3 openers of each of their sides, he is vastly inferior.

When you look at his record against non-minnows, he's done nothing other than these two matches for SA.

There is no doubt he has improved as a batsman especially against the short ball but to come out "Has he proved his critics wrong" is absurd.

His ton in the last ODI on Friday was a selfish knock and proved to be a useless one as well to be frank.
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Lol we had 80 percent chance to win because of the amount of runs he scored. I didnot know the static caused by his batting caused the rain to pour.
So now you want him to do the low order big hitting as well. He is not a Shewag Warner Gayle or Sharma. Let him be what he is a solid opener with decent strike rate to enable Pak reach 280 scores. How many tim3s have anyone scored 320s against Pak bowling recently. If in England par scores will be 300 then it shows it is easier to score there on flat pitches so it w would be easier for him as well. Biggest factor is still young and in learning period and he will be able to improve his strokes.
 
Chokli said:
imam alone won't be able to do it but he can definitely hold one hand together like he's been doing and let the others bat around him.




what does that have to do with anything? he's a poor player and if he was any good he'd be in the side, he played in two world cups and didn't do anything.
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What I said was that Imam will go down the same route as Shehzad.

They both play the same way, and if you had given Shehzad the same fixtures as Imam had at the start of his career then Shehzad would be averaging 60+ too.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
What I said was that Imam will go down the same route as Shehzad.

They both play the same way, and if you had given Shehzad the same fixtures as Imam had at the start of his career then Shehzad would be averaging 60+ too.
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imam already has more consistent performances against a top side than shehzad ever did
 
YousafTheBeast said:
What I said was that Imam will go down the same route as Shehzad.

They both play the same way, and if you had given Shehzad the same fixtures as Imam had at the start of his career then Shehzad would be averaging 60+ too.
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Shehzads strike rate is awful
 
Chokli said:
imam already has more consistent performances against a top side than shehzad ever did
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That’s wrong, just go to statsguru and check his scores against the top teams, not Zimbabwe and what you’ll find is inconsistency.
 
YousafTheBeast said:
That’s wrong, just go to statsguru and check his scores against the top teams, not Zimbabwe and what you’ll find is inconsistency.
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use your own advice and do it yourself.

because he hasn't faced any of the top teams consistently until this series.

this was his first actual series where he's played all the matches.

blame the PCB for not organzing cricket against the top sides.
 
He aint no inzi or miandad but good enough for our batting lineup.. we need to have at least one somid opener who can stay for 15-20 overs..
 
I hope yes.I too was circumspect regarding his selection but he has shown that he deserves a place in the XI.Played well in the Asia Cup and has played beautifully in this series.
People argue that he would be a liability when we would have to chase 300+ but you would have to wait for that and see how he plays when the team is chasing a 300+ total and with our bowling we would not be chasing 300+ a lot.
He compliments Fakhar well.Having said that I would still love to see Shan Masood in the team as well but the problem is where do you play him?
 
Chokli said:
use your own advice and do it yourself.

because he hasn't faced any of the top teams consistently until this series.

this was his first actual series where he's played all the matches.

blame the PCB for not organzing cricket against the top sides.
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Did you miss the Asia Cup? Had 2 opportunities against India but flopped, lol.
 
I have said time and time again that Imam is a very good player. There is no doubt but there is also no doubt that he represents the ugly face of nepotism in Pakistan cricket.

It would have been better if he had played at least another year in domestic cricket and cleared off the competition in domestic cricket first then we could have selected on merit and merit alone.

He was the third best opener in Pakistan and got selected due to him being nephew and that is a harsh fact.
 
No, he doesn't offer more than Azhar Ali and Azhar was crucified here for his slow starts. I understand, Imam is young and deserves more sympathy, but still lot more to go before these sort of thread/bumps.

But yes, I'll agree one point - kid has learning intelligence and mental toughness, he can improve with age. But, that doesn't mean his initial selection was fair or his "silencer" was required.
 
topspin said:
It's refreshing to see him for once perform against non-minnows although I'm convinced his ton in the last game was a selfish innings. It should have been minimum 340 score on such an excellent batting wicket with wickets in hand. To end with a SR of 86-88, having used up so many balls hampered the side's chances of defending their total.

He deserves some of the stick because previously he was just a mere minnow basher as well as being ruthlessly exposed against the short ball along with his sedate batting. I'm very happy to see Inzi has helped enhance his game on the back foot, looks a better player now with more scoring options with the bat.

All I want to see from him going forward is to bat improve his SR from 50-60 in the first 10 overs to 85-100. I know Fakhar is the aggressor but Imam can't just merely occupy the crease during the first ten PP overs.
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] blind support of Sarfraz and blind hatred of Imam tells you he's nothing more than a fake Pakistan fan.
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Yes of course he has weakness and also may not do well when chasing over 300. But he has a good attitude and wants to improve. He isn't going to go anywhere especially whilst Inzi is selector. So we have to hope he improves going forward.
 
He should be kept in the squad but we should try out Shan. If Shan scores with decent average at a better strike rate than fine, otherwise bring back Imam.
 
We Bleed Green said:
I have said time and time again that Imam is a very good player. There is no doubt but there is also no doubt that he represents the ugly face of nepotism in Pakistan cricket.

It would have been better if he had played at least another year in domestic cricket and cleared off the competition in domestic cricket first then we could have selected on merit and merit alone.

He was the third best opener in Pakistan and got selected due to him being nephew and that is a harsh fact.
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all of that is irrelevant since he's made his mark in this series.
 
MMHS said:
No, he doesn't offer more than Azhar Ali and Azhar was crucified here for his slow starts. I understand, Imam is young and deserves more sympathy, but still lot more to go before these sort of thread/bumps.

But yes, I'll agree one point - kid has learning intelligence and mental toughness, he can improve with age. But, that doesn't mean his initial selection was fair or his "silencer" was required.
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azhar ali should have been in the side a long time ago, but when he did become a regular it was too late.

imam has been batting at 80 strike rate.

that is great for this batting line up

i don't understand what your problem is with imam
 
hisham_ashraf said:
I hope yes.I too was circumspect regarding his selection but he has shown that he deserves a place in the XI.Played well in the Asia Cup and has played beautifully in this series.
People argue that he would be a liability when we would have to chase 300+ but you would have to wait for that and see how he plays when the team is chasing a 300+ total and with our bowling we would not be chasing 300+ a lot.
He compliments Fakhar well.Having said that I would still love to see Shan Masood in the team as well but the problem is where do you play him?
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Shan can play at 4 considering Arthur doesn't want to play Fakhar at 4. That leaves Hafeez at 5 and ideally Malik out of the team. That's not going to happen because of "experience". I don't see place for Shan unless Fakhar is out which I don't think will happen irrespective of how he does because he scored runs in an ICC tournament in England where the world cup is going to be.

After the world cup when Hafeez and Malik retire, Shan and Haris can take their spots with the batting order shuffled. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] always wanted Babar to open and there is a merit to that argument but Sharjeel is going to claim that position as well. Imam, if he continues his consistency will take one spot. Fakhar will fight for his spot against Sharjeel unless he plays blinders in the WC.
 
Regardless of what fans think, his performances have insured that he will not be leaving anytime soon.
 
Chokli said:
azhar ali should have been in the side a long time ago, but when he did become a regular it was too late.

imam has been batting at 80 strike rate.

that is great for this batting line up

i don't understand what your problem is with imam
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Lol SR of 80 would’ve been good 10 years ago, not now!

With teams changing their approach in ODI’s Pakistan are sticking with the 90’s type of players!
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Lol SR of 80 would’ve been good 10 years ago, not now!

With teams changing their approach in ODI’s Pakistan are sticking with the 90’s type of players!
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lol! you need all sorts of batsman in a line up.

looks like you grew up watching t20s and don't know the art of ODI batting

hahaha!
 
Chokli said:
lol! you need all sorts of batsman in a line up.

looks like you grew up watching t20s and don't know the art of ODI batting

hahaha!
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Look at the Number 1 team in ODI’s, now look at their openers and their strike rates.

Pakistan should be looking to build a squad similar to England’s.

There’s a reason why we’re always ranked mid table and it seems to me that you’re still stuck in the 80’s, wake up !!!
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Look at the Number 1 team in ODI’s, now look at their openers and their strike rates.

Pakistan should be looking to build a squad similar to England’s.

There’s a reason why we’re always ranked mid table and it seems to me that you’re still stuck in the 80’s, wake up !!!
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stop worrying about other countries and focus on your own! let them do whatever they're doing.

pakistan was struggling to bat out their 50 overs and you're worrying about strike rate :))
 
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He certainly has the ability to play long innings, which I mean has been a thing Pakistan openers have lacked for a long time and it looks like Fakhar-Imam duo is looking pretty good at the top. So often Pakistan lose early wickets and basically struggle to put up 250 total which isn't really happening anymore so that is a huge positive.

His strike rate remains alarming though. He hasn't had a single non-Zimbabwe match where his strike has been 100 or even at 90. A few more boundaries out of him in the first 10 overs is something he should improve and perhaps doing so without dancing down the pitch to hit a big shot.
 
rhony said:
Shan can play at 4 considering Arthur doesn't want to play Fakhar at 4. That leaves Hafeez at 5 and ideally Malik out of the team. That's not going to happen because of "experience". I don't see place for Shan unless Fakhar is out which I don't think will happen irrespective of how he does because he scored runs in an ICC tournament in England where the world cup is going to be.

After the world cup when Hafeez and Malik retire, Shan and Haris can take their spots with the batting order shuffled. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] always wanted Babar to open and there is a merit to that argument but Sharjeel is going to claim that position as well. Imam, if he continues his consistency will take one spot. Fakhar will fight for his spot against Sharjeel unless he plays blinders in the WC.
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After WC, at least 3-4 spots will be open - apart from Babar, no one is safe. Sharjeel won't come back strong (definitely not in ODI, might be in T20); Haris is not consistent with fitness, FZ's game is too loose to continue at highest level after his eye betrays (age of 30+), while I am still not convinced with Imam and if his Uncle goes after WC, he'll be vulnerable.

1. Opener
2. Opener
3. Babar (C)
4. Middle order
5. Middle order
6. WK
7. Shadab (Deputy)
8. All-rounder
9. Bowler
10. Hasan
11. Shaheen
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Yes, FZ, Imam & Shan can be two options for openers slot, but my hunch is at most one of them will be there - they'll try a new opener.

For 2 middle order, if he regains fitness, I am 100% sure Umar is coming back for 2023 WC preparation. Another one is open - FS might try his luck at 3 (shifting Babar up)/4. For middle order, I am sure they'll try at least couple of new players - Saud, Saad or any new kid; Haris doesn't have much future after 2019.

I hope, PCB won't make the same blunder with Wkeeping situation and always keep couple of WK ready behind Rizwan, play them odd games/series as well.

Imad is 30+ and not the fittest guy - shouldn't be invested for 2023 WC (but a vital player for next 2 T20 WCS). I am sure, we'll see one new all-rounder - Irfan, Gohar, Ghulam among spinners, Amad, Mohsinor may be a new face (Fahim also is young) among pacers.

Amir should retire after WC from ODI - no way he'll be fit/good enough for 2023 WC, so his realistic focus should be like Imad - next 2 T20 WCs. Here PAK must find a new pacer, preferably a faster one, since the next WC is in IND. Also, they might try 3rd spinner for Asian ODIs - more or less, Amir has not much future after WC
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If PCB follows this formula, PAK won't face this 2015 & 2019 like situation for a WC in IND, where performing respectable is essential beyond just playing a WC.
 
Chokli said:
stop worrying about other countries and focus on your own! let them do whatever they're doing.

pakistan was struggling to bat out their 50 overs and you're worrying about strike rate :))
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So, you’d pick a player whose averaging 50+ at a SR of 75 over someone who averages 40 @ 90?
 
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Strike Rate of a batsman is not written in stone. It can be improved.

Remember Babar’s centuries? Used to be 100(130) or 100(120). Babar used to score at SR of 80 in his first two years or so, but he doesn’t do that anymore. He maintains a 100 SR no matter who is bowling. That is called experience and growth. All he had to learn is a few more ways of getting singles in a given situation.

Imam is now in the same situation as Babar was. He is a stroke player who needs to improve on getting singles. And he’ll get there very soon
 
Chokli said:
azhar ali should have been in the side a long time ago, but when he did become a regular it was too late.

imam has been batting at 80 strike rate.

that is great for this batting line up

i don't understand what your problem is with imam
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Probably not the best time to discuss but let me try what's the problem.

If you analyze Imam's all innings, his SR between PP is around 60 or lower. Since, he has a major portion of his runs against "soft" opponents early in career, he has made that up with longer innings - so that SR of 80. Basically, unless he scores a 75+ innings, he is not going to match that 80+ SR, which is the problem. Even top players don't score a 75 in every 4.5 innings, but you'll hardly see any opener with 23 for 38 balls in PP, or 35 from 63 balls by first 20 overs. Unless he improves his boundary hitting ability, which stood like 6 for 100 balls (probably 2/first 50 balls or 1.5 in Power Play), he is a mine field for own team.

I wish him good luck, but mark this post and we'll come back after the WC.
 
MMHS said:
Probably not the best time to discuss but let me try what's the problem.

If you analyze Imam's all innings, his SR between PP is around 60 or lower. Since, he has a major portion of his runs against "soft" opponents early in career, he has made that up with longer innings - so that SR of 80. Basically, unless he scores a 75+ innings, he is not going to match that 80+ SR, which is the problem. Even top players don't score a 75 in every 4.5 innings, but you'll hardly see any opener with 23 for 38 balls in PP, or 35 from 63 balls by first 20 overs. Unless he improves his boundary hitting ability, which stood like 6 for 100 balls (probably 2/first 50 balls or 1.5 in Power Play), he is a mine field for own team.

I wish him good luck, but mark this post and we'll come back after the WC.
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when imam goes early, pakistan collapses, you people worry about strike rate too much... that's the least of our problems right now

look at all the matches imam has scored in this series and look at the scoreline minus the rain affected one.


your post is marked and we shall discuss after the WC
 
Chokli said:
can you tell me who averages 40 @ 90?
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Most of the English batsman. If we want to be a top side, then you look at the way the top sides are playing, is it that hard to comprehend?
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
Most of the English batsman. If we want to be a top side, then you look at the way the top sides are playing, is it that hard to comprehend?
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lol you think england and india just happened to find batsman that played the way you're talking about?

it takes time and player development, if people like you were in charge our team would be filled with asif ali, shahid afridi, imran nazirs.

you can't go from a side that was struggling to defeat afghanistan, losing to bangladesh and india easily... being 32-8 against new zealand.. to world beaters.


you need to sort out your issues first like batting 50 overs and lasting long enough to post a good total.

once that is sorted out you can worry about strike rate
 
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Chokli said:
lol you think england and india just happened to find batsman that played the way you're talking about?

it takes time and player development, if people like you were in charge our team would be filled with asif ali, shahid afridi, imran nazirs.
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No, they picked out the best performers in their domestic leagues, which isn’t the case for IMAM. If we pick our best performers in domestic leagues then surely we’d be a top side!
 
topspin said:
If we had Sharjeel we certainly could with a top 4 that looks like this:

Fakhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Shan Masood
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Fakhar is a certified hack. Sharjeel is another "what could have been" type, if he continued probably would have been found out by now just like Fakhar. I have seen him bat, nothing special at all, Imam is already miles better than them in terms technique, game awareness and mental fortitude. Shan is untested in ODIs.
 
He continues to grow on me. I didn’t think much of him befor this tour. Still needs to keep working on his strike rate
 
Pete Rose said:
He continues to grow on me. I didn’t think much of him befor this tour. Still needs to keep working on his strike rate
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he has improved from before, they are taking the quick singles and not getting bogged down like ahmed shehzad used to
 
topspin said:
6 out of 10.

As pointed out by [MENTION=141114]Hasan123[/MENTION] good for low to mid scoring contests but when the game demands 300+ totals he's a liability.
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Which youngster was chasing totals for fun after playing 20 something games? He is already better than everyone in your team bar Babar.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Fakhar is a certified hack. Sharjeel is another "what could have been" type, if he continued probably would have been found out by now just like Fakhar. I have seen him bat, nothing special at all, Imam is already miles better than them in terms technique, game awareness and mental fortitude. Shan is untested in ODIs.
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Fakhar did destroy India in the CT final, so I think the "certified hack" is just a mere coping mechanism.

Sharjeel was about as good as David Warner. His front game had improved immensely after his first ODI series in England.

As for Imam, seems to me you have a biased towards "technically correct" players, going by this standard Asad Shafiq is better than Younis Khan right?
 
Said it from day one, I feel more confident chasing 275 when he is playing.
Needs to get better. I wish Babar had his mentality and imam had Babars skills.
 
Hyperion66 said:
Which youngster was chasing totals for fun after playing 20 something games? He is already better than everyone in your team bar Babar.
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He is a lesser batsman than Fakhar and Sharjeel because these guys are actually match winners. Imam's innings today has little significance because the bowlers ensured they had it in the bag.

What disgusts me is the selfish ton, he should have been batting at run a ball at the very least having used up 116 balls. If he had done, Pakistan would have had an extra 15 runs which would have been suffice to win this match. You wouldn't know this because your just showing your inexperience on PP.
 
topspin said:
He is a lesser batsman than Fakhar and Sharjeel because these guys are actually match winners. Imam's innings today has little significance because the bowlers ensured they had it in the bag.

What disgusts me is the selfish ton, he should have been batting at run a ball at the very least having used up 116 balls. If he had done, Pakistan would have had an extra 15 runs which would have been suffice to win this match. You wouldn't know this because your just showing your inexperience on PP.
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fakhar is a match winner

what did sharjeel do? other than sell out?

lol, have you just started watching pakistan cricket recently? or have you been living under a rock?

do you not know how many subpar chases we've passed up when bowlers ensured they had it in the bag?

if it wasn't for the ton pakistan would have collapsed in the true fashion that they do.
 
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