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Has India's number one Test ranking been exposed by their recent performance?

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India's number one ranking in tests has been brutally exposed by the whitewash in NZ. They have been shown to be a weak team in foreign conditions. The Indian Batsmen struggle against anything that moves an inch. King Kohli has been put in his place.

Their number one ranking is a fluke, winning matches at home is no feat.
 
Australia is the best Test team(by a good margin) at the moment. Their past losses against India(2019) and Pakistan(2018) were exceptions and due to Warner and Smith’s absence.
 
I think India deserved to be #1 after beating Aussies (doesn't matter if it was weakened or not).

But, gap is not that big between India and other teams. There is no true #1 in Test format currently.
 
Indian team is over hyped, it is an ordinary side, right now Australia is the best side by a long margin and then come others.
 
Rudi hater said:
Indian team is over hyped, it is an ordinary side, right now Australia is the best side by a long margin and then come others.
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Aussies will probably lose Tests if they play in India, Pakistan/UAE, and SL.

There is no way there are undisputed #1.

There is no #1 in Test currently. It is wide open.
 
India in number one team at home.I have never seen a dominant performance by India in SENA.India has won a test here and there but it has not dominated the opposition ESP in England.WI in late 1970s and 1980s used to be on the top in almost every match against England.
 
Rudi hater said:
As expected, as some people thought that this Indian was the greatest team ever. :-)
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Agree. India won is Australia without Smith and Warner so that will always be a flawed victory. Still have not beat/drawn a test series against England in England in recent times.

I would say now Misbah is in charge of the test team, Pakistan will have a better record then India in test matches played outside of Asia.
 
Hardly an expose . we have a few good to very good sides these days , they will continue to swap places . None of them are great .
 
That was a fluke win over Aussies in 2018, with no Smith or Warner to set them the monster innings which have been typical of Aussie home series for as long as they have been playing cricket.

India has always been a poor touring side in that they have lost more away series' then they have drawn or won in the last 10 years. Compare it to a poor Pakistan they are no different. Both with a win/loss of .06 (India has 17 away wins vs 16 for Pakistan)

They have benefited from both Pakistan and Sri Lanka both being in the worst periods in Test cricket to challenge them at home as well as feasting on a very weak Windies side.

This team ain't even better then the 2007-2013 Indian side that Dhoni led. The Aussie test fluke has fooled many people and have inflated their test ranking.
 
AdamM97 said:
Australia is the best Test team(by a good margin) at the moment. Their past losses against India(2019) and Pakistan(2018) were exceptions and due to Warner and Smith’s absence.
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yea because india will just bend over for them at home. Until they beat india in India they ain't no number 1.

India is number 1. strongest home bullies of all time. They can win away every now and then. When they win the toss They seem to be more dominant.
 
sweep_shot said:
Aussies will probably lose Tests if they play in India, Pakistan/UAE, and SL.

There is no way there are undisputed #1.

There is no #1 in Test currently. It is wide open.
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I dont agree with the above assessment, they may lose but currently they head and shoulders above anyone else. 1. Australia , Egland, in one bracket then NZ and then India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, South Africa come into one bracket then BD, Zimb as minnows.
 
AdamM97 said:
Australia is the best Test team(by a good margin) at the moment. Their past losses against India(2019) and Pakistan(2018) were exceptions and due to Warner and Smith’s absence.
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Smith and Warner when they toured India.They also lost the Ashes
 
Few other teams have done collectively better than India in the last 3 years and that information was hidden so far.

Now they are exposed.
 
AdamM97 said:
Australia is the best Test team(by a good margin) at the moment.
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If they are the best by good margin, it will soon reflect in test rating by a good margin.
 
Just like illuminati.

on a serious note, name one team that does well everywhere? And please don't say Pakistan, because we have been known to muck it up in our own backyard
 
Disagree. India is still the number one side after winning the odd tests away from home.

However, the comparison with the mighty west indies and Australia teams of the past need to stop. This team got humiliated in NZ .
 
I am sorry to say but India still continues to remain no.1 test team. They are no longer the undisputed one but are yet to be dethroned by any team from the no.1 spot.

<B>Reasons:-</B> Let's go one by one.

4) England's performance was very poor in UAE and in India losing 0-6 combined(8 tests). They also got a hammering of 0-4 in Australia and lost to NZ away as well. <B>Their only wins away are in SL, weak SA( but India also won against weak Aus away) and Windies</B>. At home, they are no match to India at their home. In Australia, they played in a team with S.W but lost 0-4 compared to India's 2-1 win in Australia without S.W. Quite clearly, India are ahead by a margin compared to England.

3) New Zealand haven't won anything away in SENA either and although they did won in UAE Vs Pak but could only draw the test series Vs Sri Lanka and were smashed in India. At home, they lost to Australia and not sure but think drew or lost to South Africa but aside that think they are dominant at home but clearly not at India's level though.

2) Australia haven't won anything in sub continent. They may win Vs SL and Pak today but we also can win in SA today against the current SA team. <B>So, away from home, they have won in NZ, Windies, drawn in England</B> and at home won against everyone except SA and India.

Considering the results, I think Australia are very close now followed by NZ and then England but India still remains the no.1 team in the world.
 
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They are still the number 1 team. It's still a fabulous team. I wish Pakistan would be the number 1 team for a few years in a row.
 
A high ranked team, that now finds itself at #2 after the series win, beat the top ranked team in home conditions, but the fans of the rubbish 7th ranked team are doing bhangra.

The fact that Pakistani fans are more excited and vocal than NZ fans sums up the misery of Pakistani fans. Since our team is utterly abysmal and does not have the talent, skill and mentality to be a top team, we have no option but to seek solace when a superior team beats another superior team.

The same “exposed” Indian team would demolish Pakistan everywhere.
 
AdamM97 said:
Australia is the best Test team(by a good margin) at the moment. Their past losses against India(2019) and Pakistan(2018) were exceptions and due to Warner and Smith’s absence.
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That is ludicrous. No team, including Australia, has a stronger claim at the number 1 ranking than India.

India is by far the best home side in the world, and no other side is more competitive away. Warner cannot buy a run in India and England, so there is a greater chance of India taking down a full-strength Australia in Australia rather than Australia taking down a full-strength India in India.

The 2016 series summed it up. India produced its worst home performance since losing to India in 2012 and Kohli was completely off-color, but they still managed to win the series in spite of Smith’s brilliance.
 
Mamoon said:
That is ludicrous. No team, including Australia, has a stronger claim at the number 1 ranking than India.

India is by far the best home side in the world, and no other side is more competitive away. Warner cannot buy a run in India and England, so there is a greater chance of India taking down a full-strength Australia in Australia rather than Australia taking down a full-strength India in India.

The 2016 series summed it up. India produced its worst home performance since losing to India in 2012 and Kohli was completely off-color, but they still managed to win the series in spite of Smith’s brilliance.
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India's win in Australia has proven to be a fluke.
 
Mamoon said:
A high ranked team, that now finds itself at #2 after the series win, beat the top ranked team in home conditions, but the fans of the rubbish 7th ranked team are doing bhangra.

The fact that Pakistani fans are more excited and vocal than NZ fans sums up the misery of Pakistani fans. Since our team is utterly abysmal and does not have the talent, skill and mentality to be a top team, we have no option but to seek solace when a superior team beats another superior team.

The same “exposed” Indian team would demolish Pakistan everywhere.
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So is it Pakistani fans fault that India got thrashed by NZland?
 
King Khan said:
That was a fluke win over Aussies in 2018, with no Smith or Warner to set them the monster innings which have been typical of Aussie home series for as long as they have been playing cricket.

India has always been a poor touring side in that they have lost more away series' then they have drawn or won in the last 10 years. Compare it to a poor Pakistan they are no different. Both with a win/loss of .06 (India has 17 away wins vs 16 for Pakistan)

They have benefited from both Pakistan and Sri Lanka both being in the worst periods in Test cricket to challenge them at home as well as feasting on a very weak Windies side.

This team ain't even better then the 2007-2013 Indian side that Dhoni led. The Aussie test fluke has fooled many people and have inflated their test ranking.
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As an Aussie Indias win in Australia wasn't a fluke, they struggled to win the test series but they won, even if we were without Smith, Warner, and the others, we don't believe in making excuses like Indians do.

But when they return in December India is going to be bent over a barrel and rammed hard without the lube.
 
Slim said:
India's win in Australia has proven to be a fluke.
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It's not a fluke.

It was fought against a team without Smith and Warner. That can be talked about.

India could have won the series 3-1 if not for rain.

Aussie bowlers in that series: Starc, Hazlewood, Cummins and Lyon.

If that's a fluke, then so is Aus winning in India in 2004, Eng winning in India in 2012, England winning in Aus 2011, etc.

Just cos they won't get repeated doesn't make those wins fluke.
 
praveen said:
Disagree. India is still the number one side after winning the odd tests away from home.

However, the comparison with the mighty west indies and Australia teams of the past need to stop. This team got humiliated in NZ .
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Even the team lead by Ganguli was better.
 
OffDrive said:
As an Aussie Indias win in Australia wasn't a fluke, they struggled to win the test series but they won, even if we were without Smith, Warner, and the others, we don't believe in making excuses like Indians do.

But when they return in December India is going to be bent over a barrel and rammed hard without the lube.
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make sure you winnthe toss, don't use sand paper etc. Play fair and not like how you used to get away with cheating in early 2000. Cameras are watching now. Plus the boys need mullah from their IPL masters. Play hard, play fair. Don't be a grub.

If you prepare a seaming bouncy pitch it will backfire massively. India are good on those tracks. Prepare flat wickets like in 2014 and Aussies can out bat india. GOAT smith vs kohli and bumrah vs cummins will decide the series.

If india win the toss........It is all over.
if Aussies win the toss......It is all over.
 
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This is an era of very very weak travelling teams. No team is even remotely good outside their comfort zones. Keeping that in mind, I still rightly think India are the no.1 test side in the world. Australia are looking good but there's zero proof that they'd win Test series' in Asia even if it's against Bangladesh.

So, at this point we can just say that India are the better of the sorry lot and are in no way comparable to any ATG times of the past let alone the GOAT Aus and WI teams.
 
Mesozoic said:
This is an era of very very weak travelling teams. No team is even remotely good outside their comfort zones. Keeping that in mind, I still rightly think India are the no.1 test side in the world. Australia are looking good but there's zero proof that they'd win Test series' in Asia even if it's against Bangladesh.

So, at this point we can just say that India are the better of the sorry lot and are in no way comparable to any ATG times of the past let alone the GOAT Aus and WI teams.
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But these strong teams at home will destroy many of those said great teams. Lot of them may have travelled well but there is no guarantee they can beat these home bullies.

teams are just ridiculously powerful in their conditions. Too much cricket is a viable reason to be honest. t20 cricket has made it difficult for players to manage workloads.
 
Slim said:
So is it Pakistani fans fault that India got thrashed by NZland?
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It isn’t, but they should focus on their garbage team instead of doing bhangra when a superior team than Pakistan beats another superior team than Pakistan.
 
India being ranked #1 is not undeserved. But Right now this team can not be compared to one a year back. Vihari, Shaw, pant, agarwal are inexperienced, Ishant and bumrah coming back from injury, kohli losing form
 
People don't realize that Virat Kohli is probably a once in a generation batsman. Not every player in the side is as gifted as him. Pujara and Rahane are good but they are no Laxman or Dravid. This team India without Kohli is a fantastic bowling attack, with a mediocre batting line up. Kind of like our 90s team. I mean they have the ability to bowl out any opposition, but don't really have the batting strength.

Their ODI team with Rohit and Dhawan are a different story altogether
 
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India is still number 1, Indian bowling as stated in cricinfo bowling for the ages, so Aussies can get all out for 50 odd.
 
waleed88 said:
People don't realize that Virat Kohli is probably a once in a generation batsman. Not every player in the side is as gifted as him. Pujara and Rahane are good but they are no Laxman or Dravid. This team India without Kohli is a fantastic bowling attack, with a mediocre batting line up. Kind of like our 90s team. I mean they have the ability to bowl out any opposition, but don't really have the batting strength.

Their ODI team with Rohit and Dhawan are a different story altogether
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90's Pakistan batting with (Saeed, Inzi, Saleem Malik and MoYo) was much superior to this current Indian batting. They never got bowled out for 36 in tough conditions against better bowling attacks.
 
szrana007 said:
90's Pakistan batting with (Saeed, Inzi, Saleem Malik and MoYo) was much superior to this current Indian batting. They never got bowled out for 36 in tough conditions against better bowling attacks.
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That 90s/00s team that you talk about has featured in the lowest totals list quite a number of times
 
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90’s Pakistan side was regularly losing at home to weak sides. This Indian team would beat 90’s overrated Pakistan in most conditions.
 
szrana007 said:
Not in the 90's and Saeed, Inzi, Malik and Moyo didn't play.
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This is 2002, and comparitively this was the new crop of players that was supposed to takeover once the Saeed Anwar's and the middle order batsmen retire. Very comparitive to this new breed of Indian sides. We had a few exceptional players in between some ordinary crop of players. Saeed Inzi were exceptional players, Yousuf and Younis took over afterwards. But there was no consistency from the top to the bottom. When Saeed and Inzi would shine our team would win, otherwise we could fall like a pack of cards. During the 00s era, our team would click if the middle order did. In the 90s Saeed anwar or Inzi had to click for us to win. Which is why despite having a dominating bowling attack our team always struggled against South Africa and Australia
 
szrana007 said:
Lol, thats again not the 90's. Saeed Anwar was retired by then. Its not a sub 60 score either.
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I showed you a score with the names you mentioned. You know what I'm talking about, you can stay in denial however long you want to.
 
szrana007 said:
Haha, good joke, do you know about their away record? lol
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Beat average English teams in 92 and 96. The 92 series in particular saw blatant ball-tampering by Wasim and Waqar.

That Pakistan side was inferior to the 2000s and 2010s India.

2000s India beat England in 2007 and that England team was better than the 1996 one.
 
waleed88 said:
I showed you a score with the names you mentioned. You know what I'm talking about, you can stay in denial however long you want to.
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There is a difference between 90's and 2004,lol. I told you that Pak was never bowled for a sub 60 score in the 90's and you are showing me scorecards from 2004,lol
 
Mamoon said:
Beat average English teams in 92 and 96. The 92 series in particular saw blatant ball-tampering by Wasim and Waqar.

That Pakistan side was inferior to the 2000s and 2010s India.

2000s India beat England in 2007 and that England team was better than the 1996 one.
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Pakistan's away record in the 90's is the best of that decade. They also won 2 matches in India in 1999 against the strongest Indian home side.
 
szrana007 said:
There is a difference between 90's and 2004,lol. I told you that Pak was never bowled for a sub 60 score in the 90's and you are showing me scorecards from 2004,lol
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That team that played against a peak Australian side was bowled out for 52 and 59. I was talking about the era that was the 90s cricket team. Didn't include the names mentioned above, I was referring to a collective line up that includes bench strength which was tried in this series. We as a line up collectively had a few exceptional batsmen in between large chunks of mediocre batting. We tried a host of names some included in the line up that lost to Australia, none of them consistently were top performers. And our weak batting was kept afloat by exceptional players like Inzamam and Saeed Anwar
 
szrana007 said:
There is a difference between 90's and 2004,lol. I told you that Pak was never bowled for a sub 60 score in the 90's and you are showing me scorecards from 2004,lol
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Inzamam and Mohammad Yousuf were in that list, two esteemed players that belonged to the 90s era.
 
szrana007 said:
Pakistan's away record in the 90's is the best of that decade. They also won 2 matches in India in 1999 against the strongest Indian home side.
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Kohli’s India is the strongest Indian side at home.
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli’s India is the strongest Indian side at home.
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India was invincible in 90's at home. 2010's India lost to England at home. Anyway Pakistan has W/L ratio of 1.3 in away test matches in the 90's, which is right up there with Australia.
 
India’s last 36 results in SENA:

L
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W
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W
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L
W
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L
L
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D
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szrana007 said:
India was invincible in 90's at home. 2010's India lost to England at home. Anyway Pakistan has W/L ratio of 1.3 in away test matches in the 90's, which is right up there with Australia.
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Nope. Kohli's India is the strongest. I would be worried for Aussies if they try to travel to India next time depending on how this series pans out.
India will return the favour with an absolute drubbing at home.

Anyway India still in the series.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Nope. Kohli's India is the strongest. I would be worried for Aussies if they try to travel to India next time depending on how this series pans out.
India will return the favour with an absolute drubbing at home.

Anyway India still in the series.
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90's India beat very strong Australian and South African teams at home. Aus under Mark Taylor and South Africa under Hansie Cronje are two of the greatest teams of all time.
 
szrana007 said:
90's India beat very strong Australian and South African teams at home. Aus under Mark Taylor and South Africa under Hansie Cronje are two of the greatest teams of all time.
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So? Those teams would never come close to beating virat's India in India. 29 wins in 31 games. Absolutely ruthless killing machine at home.
 
tyron_woodley said:
So? Those teams would never come close to beating virat's India in India. 29 wins in 31 games. Absolutely ruthless killing machine at home.
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Mark Taylor's team will beat this current Indian team. Warne would have absolutely bullied this current Indian team in India. This Indian team lacks great players of spin like Sachin, Dravid, VVS and Azhar.
 
szrana007 said:
Mark Taylor's team will beat this current Indian team. Warne would have absolutely bullied this current Indian team in India. This Indian team lacks great players of spin like Sachin, Dravid, VVS and Azhar.
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This team would butcher any ATG team at home. Dont let away form fool you. They are biggest home track bullies. We will never prepare spin tracks. It will be batting pitches with low bounce and little turn.

Mark Taylor's team wouldn't win one test match in India vs virat's team..

Current Australia would beat mark Taylor's Australia in Australia.
 
tyron_woodley said:
This team would butcher any ATG team at home. Dont let away form fool you. They are biggest home track bullies. We will never prepare spin tracks. It will be batting pitches with low bounce and little turn.

Mark Taylor's team wouldn't win one test match in India vs virat's team..

Current Australia would beat mark Taylor's Australia in Australia.
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Lol, what? Taylor's team had Mcgrath and Warne for God's sake. Australia of 90's and 2000's and WI of 80's are the strongest home teams ever. Current Australian team stands no chance against Taylor's team.
 
This is not a great India side, it's typically a side that in general suited to their own conditions
 
szrana007 said:
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Lol, what? Taylor's team had Mcgrath and Warne for God's sake. Australia of 90's and 2000's and WI of 80's are the strongest home teams ever. Current Australian team stands no chance against Taylor's team.
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:)) looks like the defeat has left some fans delusional
 
There overseas performances have exposed them. A very good team at home but away from home they just don't have the answers.
 
szrana007 said:
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Lol, what? Taylor's team had Mcgrath and Warne for God's sake. Australia of 90's and 2000's and WI of 80's are the strongest home teams ever. Current Australian team stands no chance against Taylor's team.
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Current Australia is far better than Taylor's team. Taylor's team thrived in a weak era.

Anyway virat's India is the best home team bully. I don't see any ATG beating virat's India in India.

Don't confuse away tours to home tours. At home even our number 9 can score 50s. Umesh has 50s. Ishant can bat. All can contribute.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Current Australia is far better than Taylor's team. Taylor's team thrived in a weak era.

Anyway virat's India is the best home team bully. I don't see any ATG beating virat's India in India.

Don't confuse away tours to home tours. At home even our number 9 can score 50s. Umesh has 50s. Ishant can bat. All can contribute.
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:))) Thanks for the comic relief, bro.
 
Mamoon said:
90’s Pakistan side was regularly losing at home to weak sides. This Indian team would beat 90’s overrated Pakistan in most conditions.
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As always your focus is on Pakistan rather than commenting on Indian performance. How low can one get with this self inflicted hatred.
 
tyron_woodley said:
Yea ? Pakistan were ok back then. That's about it. Pakistan and Aussies. It was a weak as era. Match fixing, scandal etc all in overdrive.
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What are you smoking, bro ? An era with Mcgrath, Warne, Ambrose, Walsh,Wasim, Waqar, Donald, Pollock, Steve Waugh, Sachin, Lara, Inzi etc. is weak? seriously?
 
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