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Correct because being a fast bowler in UAE tests is a thankless job.
Only likes of Peter Siddle are suited to it.
Only likes of Peter Siddle are suited to it.
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Has Mohammad Amir made the right decision to retire from Test cricket?
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Agreed. Better rotation and management has yo be done of the pace bowlers and even spinners. When there are so many decent options available set of bowlers can be separated or atleast rotated regularly.
The problem is it's the player who holds all the aces.
Drop out of playing Tests and continue to play ODIs and T20Is and make money from leagues.
Get dropped by your country, then still make money from leagues around the globe.
Win win situation for players.
Drop out of playing Tests and continue to play ODIs and T20Is and make money from leagues.
Get dropped by your country, then still make money from leagues around the globe.
Win win situation for players.
What should what be like?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Saddened by the announcement of Mohammad Amir regarding retirement from Test cricket. No doubt a legend withdraw himself from his playground <a href="https://twitter.com/iamamirofficial?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@iamamirofficial</a></p>— Yasir Shah (@Shah64Y) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shah64Y/status/1155109140156616707?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Right decision? More like a selfish and cowardly decision.
It's clear after witnessing Amir's pace go down in the last couple of years that he doesn't have the fitness nor the physique to play in all three formats. So, instead of working hard to improve his fitness, he decides to take the easy way out by retiring from the most physically demanding & gruelling format.
PCB has invested so much in this guy. First they patiently waited for him for 5 years, they supported him when the rest of the cricketing world wanted him banned forever. Then after his ban was over, he was in the Pakistani team right away, without spending hardly any time playing domestic cricket. Then for the past 3.5 years, he has pretty much got a free ride in the team without really performing. PCB has really laid the red carpet out for him. They have given him the golden boy treatment and he repays them back by retiring from the test format at just 27.
I never really liked Amir much after the events of 2010, and after this selfish and cowardly decision by him, I have lost the tiny bit of respect I had for him.
It's clear after witnessing Amir's pace go down in the last couple of years that he doesn't have the fitness nor the physique to play in all three formats. So, instead of working hard to improve his fitness, he decides to take the easy way out by retiring from the most physically demanding & gruelling format.
PCB has invested so much in this guy. First they patiently waited for him for 5 years, they supported him when the rest of the cricketing world wanted him banned forever. Then after his ban was over, he was in the Pakistani team right away, without spending hardly any time playing domestic cricket. Then for the past 3.5 years, he has pretty much got a free ride in the team without really performing. PCB has really laid the red carpet out for him. They have given him the golden boy treatment and he repays them back by retiring from the test format at just 27.
I never really liked Amir much after the events of 2010, and after this selfish and cowardly decision by him, I have lost the tiny bit of respect I had for him.
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He was better at age 19 than Wasim was.
Should not retire from tests, still has so much left.
Should not retire from tests, still has so much left.
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Seeing his performance in the final long format game of his career (for Essex) , one cannot but help think that he should rethink his decision
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Is he now reaping the rewards of walking away from Tests? Just been selected in BPL draft
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Yeah, good riddance - what a waste of time and investment.
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His limited overs and T20 form for Pakistan has not been earth shattering either. He shot himself in the foot. Won't be surprised if the selectors show him the door completely
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I’m just happy he’s earning money the legal way in cricket
There are options for players abroad in lucrative leagues which is a real game changer
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Come on - he was our stand out bowler in the World Cup. Even now you sense he has more to give. Even if he only turns up for the big comps he remains the best LOI fast bowler in Pakistan and kind treatment would be standard.
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Yes, a blessing in disguise. Shaheen now has a spot in the team and he has more potential than Amir I reckon. Naseem has also got an opportunity due to him retiring. In the long term it will be good for Pakistan, and it's not like Amir was doing good in tests.
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should have been dropped from the LOI sides straight away. afaik they offered him a decent deal, play overseas tests, dont play home tests, which is fair enough, yet playing 4 or 5 tests a year was too much for him cos he wants to settle in the uk and play bpl.
was it not for the pcb and pakistan cricket he would have no career to get him over to the uk in the first place. i was one of his biggest supporters but he literally doesn't give a rats about the national team. also sets a dangerous precedent for younger bowlers, the message should be clear if you dont want to play tests you cant use the loi teams as a platform to advertise yourself to leagues.
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He did pretty well in recent away tours in Tests.
But his average in the UAE tests. Not good enough to do well on those pitches. I think this new crop will do better at home.
He still has a role in LOI, but he needs to shown out if he has a dismal run like just before the WC.
But his average in the UAE tests. Not good enough to do well on those pitches. I think this new crop will do better at home.
He still has a role in LOI, but he needs to shown out if he has a dismal run like just before the WC.
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Prioritizing test cricket should be a criteria in deciding to issue NOC's for T20 leagues
He has not absolutely announced his retirement from Test cricket.
He gave the PCB a statement stating that he was moving away from Test cricket to concentrate on the white ball game. But he told Mickey Arthur that he was available when required, particularly for Pink Ball Tests and for Tests in conditions in which he might be able to contribute.
I took that as meaning that he was not available in Asia and he was happy to make way for new players, but if the selectors wanted him to play with a Dukes Ball (England and West Indies) or a Pink Ball he would always place himself at his country's service.
But apparently Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani wanted him to formally retire, and he amended his statement to their specifications.
But I would bet my house that if Misbah had requested him to return for the Pink Ball Adelaide Test he would have.
He gave the PCB a statement stating that he was moving away from Test cricket to concentrate on the white ball game. But he told Mickey Arthur that he was available when required, particularly for Pink Ball Tests and for Tests in conditions in which he might be able to contribute.
I took that as meaning that he was not available in Asia and he was happy to make way for new players, but if the selectors wanted him to play with a Dukes Ball (England and West Indies) or a Pink Ball he would always place himself at his country's service.
But apparently Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani wanted him to formally retire, and he amended his statement to their specifications.
But I would bet my house that if Misbah had requested him to return for the Pink Ball Adelaide Test he would have.
The strongest message to Amir, and to future fast bowlers would be if Amir is dropped from LOI team. Which doesn't look like a stretch given the promise of Naseem, Musa, Husnain and Shaheen. I just hope Pak selectors infatuation with 'experience' doesn't prolong whatever is left of Amir's international career
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He will eventually be phased out of the one day team as well in a few years once Naseem, Hasnain develop. Don't see Amir in our team for the 2023 WC.
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Goodbye amir, thanks for the world t20 and CT win. Enjoy your life, but you are not needed anymore by pakistan cricket team, in any format!
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Afridi was way better than Amir in the world cup IMO and in more crucial matches. Amir remains the best LOI bowler as no other bowler has either been given consistent runs or played more matches as players like Afridi are fairly new
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Considering most of Amir's recent success in white ball has been because of cutters and clever changes of pace and defensive lines, do you think he would have been a success in tests? His pace has dropped a lot too
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Amir is finished now, could have been an atg ..... but still won 2 icc trophies and played in the no. 1 test team for a short while.
Let him enjoy the rest of his career playing leagues and making money, we have better options available now.
That's my point really.
If you look at Amir's recent record, in his five last series:
1. In the UAE he took 1 wicket in 2 Tests at an average of 164.00.
2. With a Dukes ball in the West Indies, England and Ireland he took 25 wickets in 6 Tests at an average of 17.92.
3. In South Africa he took 12 wickets in 3 Tests at an average of 23.58.
Ironically, Mohammad Amir's final 11 Tests were the most successful of her entire career - he took 38 wickets at an average of 23.55!
But just like certain players are only really worth selecting in Asia, I agree with Mickey Arthur that Mohammad Amir should have been reserved for tests with a Pink Ball, a Dukes Ball or in Australia, New Zealand and South Africa.
He was too slow and too short to achieve anything in Asia.
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As [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] has said elsewhere, PCB and Waqar/Misbah should have asked Amir to take back retirement for this series. He was there and training alongside but no idea where the hindrance is from?
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Why ?
I wholeheartedly respect and admire PCB and their team management for not doing that and make themselves look meak, clueless and desperate while doing so. The guy decided to turn his back on red ball cricket for a reason.
Besides, I don't think he'd have made a big difference even if played.
But he’s there with them!
He’s not half a world away - he’s there in the pavilion.
130-4 yesterday would probably have become 160-6 and 240 all out.
Pakistan have really missed Amir.
Andrew Strauss is being interviewed right now on Sky about whether players should be able to pick and choose when they are available for Tests.
His answer was an emphatic YES - giving the examples of Mark Wood and Adil Rashid who have little to offer in England but can be vital away from home.
It’s the same situation as with Amir. His deal with Inzamam and Arthur recognised that he is only an asset outside Asia, and that all parties agree that he is better off resting than playing in the UAE.
Amir retired when the PCB advised that the agreement was off. And yet Strauss is arguing for exactly that type of deal.
His answer was an emphatic YES - giving the examples of Mark Wood and Adil Rashid who have little to offer in England but can be vital away from home.
It’s the same situation as with Amir. His deal with Inzamam and Arthur recognised that he is only an asset outside Asia, and that all parties agree that he is better off resting than playing in the UAE.
Amir retired when the PCB advised that the agreement was off. And yet Strauss is arguing for exactly that type of deal.
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There is a degree of obstinacy
This is what Waqar said when I asked him about Amir being brought in for the 3rd Test:
"I don't see that happening [Amir playing last Test match] and we aren't even preparing him for this. He's done with the red ball format & is working hard with white ball cricket so we'll stick with him with the white ball for now"
No, he was never that good and now he would have replaced the old guy trying to save PAK’s day with 24 overs for 53 runs - without this guy, by now Poms would have reached 400 by now.
Where is the man management?
In football think of people like Harry Redknapp and Terry Venables or Bobby Robson.
They could sell snow to Eskimoes. They made their players feel like the Manager was their greatest supporter, and they would do anything for them.
I remember in 1993 when Gary Lineker had retired from international football irritated by being subbed by Graham Taylor.
And I remember thinking “if Bobby Robson came back, Gary Lineker would unretire by lunchtime”.
It’s nonsense for people to say “Amir needs to grovel to Misbah to come back”.
Misbah sees him at breakfast, lunch and dinner every day, and has done for the last four weeks. So does Waqar.
They really should have been professional and talked their best pace bowler in English conditions into making himself available.
His absence is a major failure of man management.
As I showed you two days ago, Amir’s Test record in England is identical to Imran Khan’s, right down to the number of Tests played.
And you need 4 quicks in these conditions.
I responded on that post - once again: those stats are misleading because it includes Imran’s 1971 & 1974 stats as well while Amir’s stats is diluted by his 2010 series when he was a different bowler. Imran in 1980s took 42 wickets in 8 Test at around 20 with 4 5fors and a 10for..... Amir after come back in 6 Tests have taken 19 wickets at 35, best being a 4for. Current Amir will do great if he could match Shaheen’s figure....
No, four quicks won’t have done much here if three couldn't do any jack. You are suggesting four quicks means dropping Yasir - I can only feel sorry that you still haven’t learnt what Yasir carries for this team.
Actually Mohammad Amir averaged 21.00 in the final 3 Test series of his career.
He took 24 wickets in those 6 Tests at an average of 21.00, with a strike rate of 50.
His career average was 30.47.
The agreement to only play outside Asia was working, he was bowling better than ever before.
He was bowling, not is - he is retired for a year now. You have to stop using these manipulative data - by that note (of last three series average), Amir shouldn’t have been selected for 2018 tour after averaging 42 in previous tour.
Also, I don’t like using hypothetical scenarios to glorify your favourite players - that “Asif winning Pink ball Gabba Test” should have been enough. Have you thought of the other possibility - even if I take that fourth pacer Amir could have made it 160/6 from 130/4....... but, what about 130/4 then? There are two wickets of Yasir out of 4 ........
You see, I can draw “scenarios” as well.
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Asking Amir for forgiveness and requesting him to save test cricket for Pakistan would have been deemed a weak and sad move. The repurcussions of such a a move would have been long term. Also this theory only sounds plausible from one narrative by taking it for granted that Amir would have done better. Had he not, imagine the outrage in the media by fans who would have accused PCB for falling over backwards for a proven spot fixer while young talent like Naseem Shah, and Shaheen Afridi rotted on bench.
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No.
He would have been told that his country needs him and he should have considered it an honour to do so.
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You say so and many (majority or minority) might second that but PCB would have attracted huge criticism for setting an embarrassing example and a wrong precedent, in selection as well as in dealing with corruption.
Fact is, PCB spent a lot of money in Amir and he turned his back on them for T20 cricket. To go back on knees for a player like that regardless of how talented (allegedly, there is nothing spectacular about his record) he might be.
And like I said, this argument pretty much stands on a hope that Amir would have done well. If not, it would have backfired even more for PCB.
They did the right thing. The professional thing.
Pride is indeed a thing.
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Aamir wouldnt have done anything. He was trundling at an average pace of 133 kph in SA. On this slow deck, he would have looked completely toothless.
Exactly!
I’m a psychiatrist - neither party needed to grovel or apologise.
If I were Misbah, I’d have done this:
“I’m really pleased to have you here for the T20 series. You’re a fantastic bowler and I’m delighted to have you here.
But I have a proposition for you. You have retired from Tests, and I respect that.
But here you are, living in this Biosecure Bubble with us. It’s boring and it’s monotonous.
You know, Shaheen and Naseem look up to you. They are huge talents, but they are learning the game, and you have so much that you could teach them.
We would be incredibly grateful if you would consider playing these three Tests. You don’t have to cancel your retirement, but it’s a chance for you to have some fun, to show the world just how good you are, and you would give something back to Pakistan cricket by guiding Shaheen and Naseem on the pitch!”
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If he had considered playing test cricket for his country an honor, he wouldn't have retired at the age of 28 from the format
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Hit the nail on the head.i pity the state of Pakistan cricket that you have to feel the need to request Amir to make a come back. A player who sold his country for money first and then dumped them.at the age of 28 for T20s.
Shakib Akhtar would have given a good phainty to PCB hae they done it.
Imagine Aussies requesting Steve Smith and Warner to return against India in 4th test in 2019 to save the series.
Australia recalled Smith and Warner the second their bans ended.
Australia concealed from the public that Warne and Mark Waugh has been fined for taking money from John the Bookie.
Australia gave Shane Warne a sentence below the WADA minimum when he was caught with an anabolic steroid masking agent in his system when he was trying to rush back from a shoulder injury for the World Cup.
In fact, India and Pakistan are the two countries which limit a cheat’s way back.
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While that warne, and Waugh case is arguable, all the rest were cheating in order to help the team win
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My point is about long term repurcussions of decisions and about maintaining pride in playing for the nation.
No player is bigger than the game. Especially those who have sold their country and left them in raters for T20 money
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amir would have been better than abbas anyday. Better than naseem as well. Yes for English conditions he should have played. problem is once the new ball wears off he becomes next to useless. English middle order is where their real batting starts at home. So it would have been a problem regardless for the Pakistanis.
Agreed I said before that england bottom order will be the difference not the top order
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Amir should be booted out the side in all 3 formats. Traitor. He should enjoy figures of 4-0-30-1 in franchise T20 leagues every night.
I didn’t know this story - did PCB banned Amir from this English tour for that cheating in 2010? If so, must be injustice to Amir, to PAK cricket & to his fans. After giving so much efforts to bring him into international cricket on the first possible day, this must be the most stupid idea to drop him for the English tour.
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Yasir is an expensive luxury as been proven yet again.
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