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Mostly his pace was in late 120s and mid 130s (his pace was only shown in 6 or 7 balls)
But the ball's looked much faster... Only the other hand taskin ahmed's pace was also hovering around 125-132 kph whereas in international crkt his pace is usually in low to mid 140s...it looked that something was wrong with speed guns!

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He mainly used to bowl between 135-138 in 2009 and 2010 but cranked up an effort ball of around the low 140s.

He is very similar in pace to Trent Boult. Quick enough, but more reliant on movement than pace.
 
Sami is going to bowl in next match so if they show speed we will get the idea of there is something wrong with speedguns. Because Sami even at this age still bowls at high pace usually.
 
Junaids said:
He mainly used to bowl between 135-138 in 2009 and 2010 but cranked up an effort ball of around the low 140s.

He is very similar in pace to Trent Boult. Quick enough, but more reliant on movement than pace.
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He can easily bowl up to 145+ with some effort and help off the pitch. He needs to get back into his rhythm, he is much faster than a usual 135-138 medium pacer

 
Aamir was always a rythm bowler , hes not like Wahab who will hit high speeds every where . I dont remember him bowling above 140s in the sub continent .
 
He was always a 135-140 bowler.

Don't worry too much about speeds - it's all his other attributes that make him a gun bowler.
 
Spells in Australia sometimes make us expect more from bowlers pace-wise. What made him lethal wasn't pace but swing and control at a decent pace.
 
In LoI's Aamir was definitely quicker than wahab , Hitting speeds of 150 kph in australia and england , he was consistently around 90 mph in Australia and those t20s in England against the Aussies.
He varied his pace more in the test matches to get more swing with the new ball , only to crank it up to 90 mph with a reverse swinging old ball .
Here in the BPL he looks like he is bowling within himself and has still comfortably looked like the fastest bowler on show , keeps reaffirming how skillful he is , amazing for a guy who hasn't played any competitive cricket for 5 years
 
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He looked fast. 1 or 2 balls looked late 140s but most deliveries have been above 140
 
Commander said:
He can easily bowl up to 145+ with some effort and help off the pitch. He needs to get back into his rhythm, he is much faster than a usual 135-138 medium pacer

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[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]' memory maybe fading otherwise I'm sure he would have made the correct recollection. :)
 
Junaids said:
He mainly used to bowl between 135-138 in 2009 and 2010 but cranked up an effort ball of around the low 140s.

He is very similar in pace to Trent Boult. Quick enough, but more reliant on movement than pace.
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Zak_Fan said:
Spells in Australia sometimes make us expect more from bowlers pace-wise. What made him lethal wasn't pace but swing and control at a decent pace.
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90MPH said:
He was always a 135-140 bowler.

Don't worry too much about speeds - it's all his other attributes that make him a gun bowler.
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jusarrived said:
Aamir was always a rythm bowler , hes not like Wahab who will hit high speeds every where . I dont remember him bowling above 140s in the sub continent .
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Amir was left arm fast bowler when he got banned. He bowled many bowls between 145 to 152kph in England and Australia in both tests and ODI's. Boult hasn't eveb bowled that number of bowls above 140kph in his entire career.

My concern is why has he shortened his runup ? With this runup he can't bowl many bowls above 145kph. He needs to revert back to his old long runup. He is bowling brilliantly but he will become even more lethal than this with his previous runup which was 3,4 steps longer than this one.
 
His length is what puts batters off. I have never seen a bowler bowl with such control of length at height.
 
Strike Rate said:
Sami is going to bowl in next match so if they show speed we will get the idea of there is something wrong with speedguns. Because Sami even at this age still bowls at high pace usually.
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aliasad1998 said:
He looked fast. 1 or 2 balls looked late 140s but most deliveries have been above 140
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Brothers what was his fastest ball today on the bpl speed guns ?
 
People shouldn't worry about his pace too much or become obsessed by it.

Even back in 2009 and 2010 when he was impressive he was not a 140kph plus bowler. He relies more on skill, variation and the ability to seam and swing the ball rather than outright pace.
 
Lol Fidel Edwards is being clocked at 130 kph. Safe to say speed guns are way off the mark.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Amir was left arm fast bowler when he got banned. He bowled many bowls between 145 to 152kph in England and Australia in both tests and ODI's. Boult hasn't eveb bowled that number of bowls above 140kph in his entire career.

My concern is why has he shortened his runup ? With this runup he can't bowl many bowls above 145kph. He needs to revert back to his old long runup. He is bowling brilliantly but he will become even more lethal than this with his previous runup which was 3,4 steps longer than this one.
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It's probably to do with fitness, let's remember being out of the game for 5 years is massive for any bowler.
 
Saj said:
People shouldn't worry about his pace too much or become obsessed by it.

Even back in 2009 and 2010 when he was impressive he was not a 140kph plus bowler. He relies more on skill, variation and the ability to seam and swing the ball rather than outright pace.
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Bro he was 17 than. Than with age he improved his pace and became even more impressive and difficult bowler to face.

Why has he shortened his runup ?
 
90MPH said:
It's probably to do with fitness, let's remember being out of the game for 5 years is massive for any bowler.
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He is in rhythm and he is very fit and has played sufficient cricket of 6 months now. I feel it has to do with the shortened runup.
 
From the clips I've seen of him in the BPL (I know, right?) he is bowling way behind the bowling crease. That also should impact his run-up and follow-through (or vice-versa).

That's the issue I have of him coming back in the National side. I feel he's still trying to overcome the no-ball in his mind and he's still mentally trying to get over that fact.
 
Commander said:
He can easily bowl up to 145+ with some effort and help off the pitch. He needs to get back into his rhythm, he is much faster than a usual 135-138 medium pacer

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Only one ball in the entire over is 145k+ and that too 145.4kph.


152.5kph still categorized as Fast Medium.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Amir was left arm fast bowler when he got banned. He bowled many bowls between 145 to 152kph in England and Australia in both tests and ODI's. Boult hasn't eveb bowled that number of bowls above 140kph in his entire career.

My concern is why has he shortened his runup ? With this runup he can't bowl many bowls above 145kph. He needs to revert back to his old long runup. He is bowling brilliantly but he will become even more lethal than this with his previous runup which was 3,4 steps longer than this one.
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Not true.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Not true.
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You never agree. I remember you in another thread where you were pleading the case of Aaron being the fastest baller from sub continent and I proved it to be not factual. So it's your aadat and zidd.

I don't want to indulge in any argument with you . I know Aaron, Umesh are fastest bowlers from sub continent . Close the debate .
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
You never agree. I remember you in another thread where you were pleading the case of Aaron being the fastest baller from sub continent and I proved it to be not factual. So it's your aadat and zidd.

I don't want to indulge in any argument with you . I know Aaron, Umesh are fastest bowlers from sub continent . Close the debate .
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Why should I agree to a lie? I have seen Amir bowl in England, you have the clips too, find out yourself. He was 135-138 there.

As for Aaron thread, thanks for reminding me. I almost forgot that I had data to refute your points.
 
Saj said:
People shouldn't worry about his pace too much or become obsessed by it.

Even back in 2009 and 2010 when he was impressive he was not a 140kph plus bowler. He relies more on skill, variation and the ability to seam and swing the ball rather than outright pace.
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True enough, people shouldn't worry about it. But yes, he was very capable back in the days of hitting 148-50. I remember it very vividly. So he should theoretically speaking be able to get even faster in his mid 20's. That he's not focusing merely on speed is testament to his bowling brains.
 
Syed1 said:
Nobody comes close to Indian phasst bowlers

Yadav, Aaron, Ishant, Vinay uff uff.. Envy of the entire world
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What is the point of making these irrelevant comments? He wasn't quick in England or most countries he played in (except Australia). What wrong did I say?
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Amir was left arm fast bowler when he got banned. He bowled many bowls between 145 to 152kph in England and Australia in both tests and ODI's. Boult hasn't eveb bowled that number of bowls above 140kph in his entire career.

My concern is why has he shortened his runup ? With this runup he can't bowl many bowls above 145kph. He needs to revert back to his old long runup. He is bowling brilliantly but he will become even more lethal than this with his previous runup which was 3,4 steps longer than this one.
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Speed guns in Australia over estimate speeds from what I have seen. Same reason why you see Umesh bowling 150+ there.

Can you show me some vidoes where Aamir is bowling in this range in England?
 
Not sure why people are getting so sensitive/ defensive/ intolerant in this thread! You feel Aamir has clocked 90mph+ in England, show some clips and let the discussion end.
 
Statsman said:
Speed guns in Australia over estimate speeds from what I have seen. Same reason why you see Umesh bowling 150+ there.

Can you show me some vidoes where Aamir is bowling in this range in England?
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Are Sachin's all cover drives of career available on youtube and daily motion ?
 
Damn...those bouncers are absolutely devastating. For a whole 5.5 years, the world was devoid of this talent.

We need to bring him back, give him one more chance...may Allah protect him from the nazr.
 
Taskin was being clocked at 128-131 kph too he is clearly a late 130s bowler

Many of Aamer's deliveries were slower ones
 
Statsman said:
Not sure why people are getting so sensitive/ defensive/ intolerant in this thread! You feel Aamir has clocked 90mph+ in England, show some clips and let the discussion end.
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Agreed. He's a tremendous fast bowler regardless of what the speed gun says.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Are Sachin's all cover drives of career available on youtube and daily motion ?
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Almost all the Pakistani posters here have watched him bowl in England Tests, and they will attest to the fact that Amir didn't bowl quick there. Your 145-152 claim is nonsense. He was mid to late 130s. Since 5 minute Youtube clips aren't acceptable to you, anyone with DVDs of those Tests can verify the fact.

Believe what you want brother.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Almost all the Pakistani posters here have watched him bowl in England Tests, and they will attest to the fact that Amir didn't bowl quick there. Your 145-152 claim is nonsense. He was mid to late 130s. Since 5 minute Youtube clips aren't acceptable to you, anyone with DVDs of those Tests can verify the fact.

Believe what you want brother.
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Well to be honest a skinny 18 year old bowling 152 kph does sound like hogwash :misbah
 
BigBoy123 said:
Mostly his pace was in late 120s and mid 130s (his pace was only shown in 6 or 7 balls)
But the ball's looked much faster... Only the other hand taskin ahmed's pace was also hovering around 125-132 kph whereas in international crkt his pace is usually in low to mid 140s...it looked that something was wrong with speed guns!

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just leave him alone, every other day there's a thread about his pace.
 
Statsman said:
Not sure why people are getting so sensitive/ defensive/ intolerant in this thread! You feel Aamir has clocked 90mph+ in England, show some clips and let the discussion end.
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Did clock 149 kph in Enland WT20 2009

I can verify that

In 2010 tests he was concentrating on swing and was primarily in mid 130s to late 130s with few 145 kph deliveries
 
Zak_Fan said:
Almost all the Pakistani posters here have watched him bowl in England Tests, and they will attest to the fact that Amir didn't bowl quick there. Your 145-152 claim is nonsense. He was mid to late 130s. Since 5 minute Youtube clips aren't acceptable to you, anyone with DVDs of those Tests can verify the fact.

Believe what you want brother.
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i have seen him bowl around 150kph in Aus with my own eyes. Unfortunately thats not much of a proof for others but i have seen it.
 
People forget he is just 23 and is too skinny to bowl consistently at 145-148 or even more. He needs to get back to rhythm and bulk up a bit but not much. He has the potential to be among the fastest bowlers right now
 
Saj said:
People shouldn't worry about his pace too much or become obsessed by it.

Even back in 2009 and 2010 when he was impressive he was not a 140kph plus bowler. He relies more on skill, variation and the ability to seam and swing the ball rather than outright pace.
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Excellent post! hes one of most skillful bowlers around in pakistan if not the most skillful, fans indeed need to get over this facination with pace!
 
Madplayer said:
i have seen him bowl around 150kph in Aus with my own eyes. Unfortunately thats not much of a proof for others but i have seen it.
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I know he bowled that quick in Australia, and I have not questioned that. I was talking about England.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Almost all the Pakistani posters here have watched him bowl in England Tests, and they will attest to the fact that Amir didn't bowl quick there. Your 145-152 claim is nonsense. He was mid to late 130s. Since 5 minute Youtube clips aren't acceptable to you, anyone with DVDs of those Tests can verify the fact.

Believe what you want brother.
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Buddy,
why dont you check this out:

http://videos.cricket.com.pk/mohamm...st-australia-with-fast-swinging-bowling-1851/



I am not saying he was a 150 kph bowler but he is easily north of 140 and maybe touching 150 on a good day.

But watch this spell and tell me if extreme pace is the only thing that can make world class batsmen jump and hop and look like idiots.
 
Stewie said:
Buddy,
why dont you check this out:

http://videos.cricket.com.pk/mohamm...st-australia-with-fast-swinging-bowling-1851/



I am not saying he was a 150 kph bowler but he is easily north of 140 and maybe touching 150 on a good day.

But watch this spell and tell me if extreme pace is the only thing that can make world class batsmen jump and hop and look like idiots.
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Yes brother, I concede that he was quicker in Australia. However, pitches there too tend to help bowlers get the batsmen hopping and encourage bowlers bending their backs. Ishant for example has done that consistently there since his first tour.

Amir to me was very similar to Junaid. Both of them boast of 145+ spells, but normally, they were sub-140 kind of pacers.
 
Junaids said:
He mainly used to bowl between 135-138 in 2009 and 2010 but cranked up an effort ball of around the low 140s.

He is very similar in pace to Trent Boult. Quick enough, but more reliant on movement than pace.
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Trent Boult looks slower!
 
Zak_Fan said:
Yes brother, I concede that he was quicker in Australia. However, pitches there too tend to help bowlers get the batsmen hopping and encourage bowlers bending their backs. Ishant for example has done that consistently there since his first tour.

Amir to me was very similar to Junaid. Both of them boast of 145+ spells, but normally, they were sub-140 kind of pacers.
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See now you are changing your tune? A 145 kph bowler is a 145 kph bowler. Pitches have nothing to do with it if you bowl the yorkers. Its the speed through the air. Besides just because Lee and Tait and Starc clock 150mph in Australia, do you hold them by the same standard? Do they suddenly become somehow slower automatically because "well they were bowling in Australia"

Some bowlers bowl within themselves on slower pitches and that includes Steyn. Does not take away their ability to bowl at pace. I think most people here might be pigeon holing Amir in that category.
 
138-140 on average is also acceptable and effective! The more positive things are he is still sharp minded and found his rhythm back!
 
Zak_Fan said:
I know he bowled that quick in Australia, and I have not questioned that. I was talking about England.
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well than sit back and rewatch the LOI games against the aussies that were held in england, once you are done , watch the spells of reverse swing bowling even in the tests , consistent 90 mph stuff .
Now that is the kind of pace and skill Indian fans would not be used to so i am surprised how easily you forgot it or maybe you haven't .
 
Statsman said:
Only one ball in the entire over is 145k+ and that too 145.4kph.


152.5kph still categorized as Fast Medium.
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Anything over 90MPH is considered "fast" even in baseball where it is common to see 96MPH-98MPH pitches. This is cricket we are talking about, realistically anything over 140KPH should be considered "fast". Anything over 120KPH for an average human being is fast. You probably won't even be able to read the ball of the pitch when facing 125km/h bowler.
 
Stewie said:
See now you are changing your tune? A 145 kph bowler is a 145 kph bowler. Pitches have nothing to do with it if you bowl the yorkers. Its the speed through the air. Besides just because Lee and Tait and Starc clock 150mph in Australia, do you hold them by the same standard? Do they suddenly become somehow slower automatically because "well they were bowling in Australia"

Some bowlers bowl within themselves on slower pitches and that includes Steyn. Does not take away their ability to bowl at pace. I think most people here might be pigeon holing Amir in that category.
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All I am saying is that bowlers are encouraged to crank it up in Aussie conditions. I have seen likes of Umesh Yadav bowling an entire over at 150kph, but would that make him a 150kph bowler? Not even close.

Yes he had the ability to bowl 145, but that doesn't make him a 145kph bowler.
 
I agree with Junaids above, he was comparable to Boult and that's nothing to be ashamed of. It was his skill that made him stand out.
 
I see Amir going down a similar path that UAkmal went to. Too many expectations from Amir in my opinion watching him play BPL.

Even Mohammad Sami took apart the batting in these games.
 
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Sorry Sami didn't take apart the batting, he bowled economically*
 
Stewie said:
See now you are changing your tune? A 145 kph bowler is a 145 kph bowler. Pitches have nothing to do with it if you bowl the yorkers. Its the speed through the air. Besides just because Lee and Tait and Starc clock 150mph in Australia, do you hold them by the same standard? Do they suddenly become somehow slower automatically because "well they were bowling in Australia"

Some bowlers bowl within themselves on slower pitches and that includes Steyn. Does not take away their ability to bowl at pace. I think most people here might be pigeon holing Amir in that category.
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A few days back people here were saying that Starc bowled so fast in that test against New Zealand because the pitches helped him be more encouraged. People said the same thing in that "fastest bowler from Asia" thread about Aaron and Yadav bowling quickly in Australia. Now when it comes to your own bowlers you flip the argument around?
 
Sachin136 said:
A few days back people here were saying that Starc bowled so fast in that test against New Zealand because the pitches helped him be more encouraged. People said the same thing in that "fastest bowler from Asia" thread about Aaron and Yadav bowling quickly in Australia. Now when it comes to your own bowlers you flip the argument around?
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Way to pigeon hole me with others. Yadav and Aaron are 150 kph bowlers.. Foolish to take it from them. I never said they weren't.

Bowlers should be classified on their ability to bowl at certain pace. Starc, wahab, Aaron and Yadav can bowl in excess of 150 and that's what they should be considered as.
Amir can touch 150 on a good day. But u cant call him a 130 kph bowler because he can easily and consistently bowl in the 140s. Why is that so hard to understand. Some bowlers can bowl quick with skill and sme don't and always are a foot note in cricket history. Tino best, tait, are two. Mishandling of Aaron and Yadav will result in them joining that list.

My point is if they have the natural ability to bowl at certain speeds let us not undersell it. The end
 
I think Amir has lost his pace. I don't think he will be as fast as he used to be when he was 18. We will have to get used to that fact.
 
waleed88 said:
I think Amir has lost his pace. I don't think he will be as fast as he used to be when he was 18. We will have to get used to that fact.
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You obviously have no idea how fast bowling mechanics and human body works.

Male fast bowlers are at their quickest in mid to late twenties, contrary to popular belief just being young of age has nothing to do with it. The fast twitch muscles get stronger with time and practice and are at their best in that age range. Amir has lost some years, but with practice, he will only get quicker from here. Wasim was at his quickest during those years as well. So was Shoaib. Had Waqar not suffered that stress fracture of the back in the 90s, he would probably have broken 162-163 mph easy. He was frighteningly quick.
 
waleed88 said:
Amir fans have been disappointed. Their hero is now in Trundler category :))

He is literally bowling at Junaid Khan's pace. Waiting for his epic phainta at the International Level.

He is getting wickets against Bangla babies wait till he faces someone like AD Devillers.
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He literally bowled Misbah two days ago.

He must be a Bangla baby too.
 
This is a discussion thread about his speed not a bashing thread of Amir. Stay on topic.
 
Thivagar said:
Anything over 90MPH is considered "fast" even in baseball where it is common to see 96MPH-98MPH pitches. This is cricket we are talking about, realistically anything over 140KPH should be considered "fast". Anything over 120KPH for an average human being is fast. You probably won't even be able to read the ball of the pitch when facing 125km/h bowler.
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That was not my point. The original poster was mentioning how Aamir comfortably bowls over 145 and attaching this video as an evidence which had a solitary delivery bowled over 145.

Also what is fast and not fast is extremely subjective. Some consider only 90mph+ to be fast.
 
What I want to know is why he's SO FAR behind the crease in his motion??
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION], is this going to affect his pace? Maybe he's so concerned with the no ball mindset that he's bowling from WAY far back, to the detriment of his pace and movement? Anyone else have any insight??
 
Statsman said:
A little over 6 feet.
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he doesnt look that tall. sometimes that plays a role as well. if you are tall and bowling at medium pace with some nip, you can be more than enough to deal with.

I always thought he was around 5'8-5'10 kind of range. I honestly dont think he is over 6 feet.
 
cricfan14 said:
What I want to know is why he's SO FAR behind the crease in his motion??
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION], is this going to affect his pace? Maybe he's so concerned with the no ball mindset that he's bowling from WAY far back, to the detriment of his pace and movement? Anyone else have any insight??
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he probably wont ball a noball ever in his life. ROFL
 
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