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Has MS Dhoni earned the right to bat the way he wants?

Kohli The King of Chase

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No intent whatsoever! He's not even trying or attempting to chase. He's just trying to get as many number of runs as he can.

It's clearly visible and he's not even trying to hide it. It looks as if he's saying to the selectors and the captain I'll bat the way I want, let me see what u can do to me.

Has he really earned a right to bat the way he wants?
 
Yes.

When your team's captain (Kohli) is indebted to you for your inputs during the game, you earn the right to do whatever you want.
 
If this was happening in the 1990s, claims of match fixing would have been going around.

Ridiculous innings.
 
No Noones bigger than the team no matter what youve done in the past or how big a player you are

The games all about winning or trying to and dhoni has totally gone against that principle and should be held accountable like any other player would have been
 
This is not the first time he's done this. This has been the pattern for a good two years or so. Get to 40 at a 60 str.rate and hit out when the match is lost and end up with a 80+ str.rate.
 
Embarrassing stuff.

Seems like Dhoni is captain in all but name.
 
Kohli would drop himself before even thinking about dropping the Grandpa. That should explain it all.
 
How can you bat the way you please to the detriment of the overall team performance?
 
If this was happening in the 1990s, claims of match fixing would have been going around.

Ridiculous innings.

You have another Indian batsmen with 10,000 runs. This will be part of history forever, nobody will remember this match today.

He did it for Indian legacy.
 
Have indian bowlers earned the right to concede 280+ in every match and get away by saying this was a 300+ pitch?
 
Have indian bowlers earned the right to concede 280+ in every match and get away by saying this was a 300+ pitch?

They tried their best, it's a different thing that Yadav, Pandya and Trundler are just not good enough. And this is not the first time Dhoni is doing this, it's been a similar story for about 2 years or so.
 
They tried their best, it's a different thing that Yadav, Pandya and Trundler are just not good enough. And this is not the first time Dhoni is doing this, it's been a similar story for about 2 years or so.

Dhoni is finished as a batsman but as long as he keeps passing Yo Yo test he will keep getting selected. May be sponsors are the reason he is still playing. But since some indian fans are so obsessed with players right to earn millions it should be ok to let him continue.
 
Dhoni is finished as a batsman but as long as he keeps passing Yo Yo test he will keep getting selected. May be sponsors are the reason he is still playing. But since some indian fans are so obsessed with players right to earn millions it should be ok to let him continue.


Again you are not understanding where I am coming from.

DHONI IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE (unfortunately) TILL THE WC 2019. THIS IS FIXED.

But my question is, for a legend like him, how can he even justify such embarrassing knocks. I can't even call them selfish, because he's not that low on ethics to do that, but why can't he play as per the situation? How can he even have a reason for these types of knocks?
 
Have indian bowlers earned the right to concede 280+ in every match and get away by saying this was a 300+ pitch?

In the SA series SA didnot cross 280 even once. In this series England didnot cross 280 in the 1st odi. Before that India gave away 300 runs to NZ where India scored 337. Before that India gave away 334 to Aus where India scored 313. Didnt give away any 300 totals vs WI or SL. Thats from top of my head since CT 2017.

You are trying too hard to discredit the performances of Indian bowlers and push your agenda. Thereby now lying in that attempt.
 
They tried their best, it's a different thing that Yadav, Pandya and Trundler are just not good enough. And this is not the first time Dhoni is doing this, it's been a similar story for about 2 years or so.

Trundler seems like a modified and updated version of Ashok Dinda. Even bowling actions are similar
 
In the SA series SA didnot cross 280 even once. In this series England didnot cross 280 in the 1st odi. Before that India gave away 300 runs to NZ where India scored 337. Before that India gave away 334 to Aus where India scored 313. Didnt give away any 300 totals vs WI or SL. Thats from top of my head since CT 2017.

You are trying too hard to discredit the performances of Indian bowlers and push your agenda. Thereby now lying in that attempt.

It was the South African C team u beat
 
If this was happening in the 1990s, claims of match fixing would have been going around.

Ridiculous innings.

I'm not accusing Dhoni of that just to be clear, but I agree - it was the sort of knock you'd play to throw a match.

Was poor from Dhoni but judging from Indian fans' reaction this seems to have become par for the course recently.
 
In south Africa.

Thats better than the Zim or WI teams people beat up these days to beat their chest.

India were thrashed in the IT20s Vs West Indies, so you didn't even have the chance to thump your chest.
 
I'm not accusing Dhoni of that just to be clear, but I agree - it was the sort of knock you'd play to throw a match.

Was poor from Dhoni but judging from Indian fans' reaction this seems to have become par for the course recently.

Virat in denial during the post match interview.
 
Have indian bowlers earned the right to concede 280+ in every match and get away by saying this was a 300+ pitch?



Bowling was never our strength and will never will be unless spinners come into equation.. Any team who can play out 20 overs from our spinners without losing much will make 300+ against us easily in today’s era..

We don’t have expectations from bowling, it has always sucked and will continue to suck till we find good quality fast bowlers.. But our batting line up is strong and can easily chase 300+ if they bat sensibily and team selection improves..
 
You bat according to the situation, and in this case Dhoni didn't look like he would threaten England's target. Kohli even said the plan was for him to bat deep. That's great and all, but when the boundaries aren't even being attempted then all that's gonna do is make you look like you're playing for selfish runs. Kinda reminds me of a certain whipping boy that's talked about here on PP :babar
 
If this was happening in the 1990s, claims of match fixing would have been going around.

Ridiculous innings.

This. Except some bookies do need to be contacted cos it was definitely a suspect innings.

Showed zero intent, and looked as if he already forfeited the match when he walked out on the pitch. Rightly booed.
 
I have so much respect for Dhoni. In my opinion, he has been India's most valuable player of all time. It was really sad to see the way he played today. His fight has gone, his candle burned out and I hope he retires with some grace.
 
Yes.

When your team's captain (Kohli) is indebted to you for your inputs during the game, you earn the right to do whatever you want.

I don't think thats the case, almost 3 years Kohli is captaining the test team and the results are pretty good. I will not judge his limited overs skills based on IPL as RCB is a screwed up club wrt player management.
 
Is he bigger than the team or what? He can do anything he wants at CSK and in IPL, for the national side, he has been nothing but a momentum killer for a long time now.

High time for Shastri and Kohli to bite the bullet and say goodbye to him along with his lackey Raina. Enough damage done to the side, let the youngsters take over. If Kohli cannot groom the youngsters, he should also be sacked as captain. Indian team is not the place to show gratitude for friendships.
 
Yes.

When your team's captain (Kohli) is indebted to you for your inputs during the game, you earn the right to do whatever you want.

How did Kohli the captain manage to do things which Dhoni himself could not do as a Test captain (winning a home series vs SA, winning a test series in SL and winning a home series vs England).

The Dhoni mafia (including his PR agency) has build this aura around Dhoni as if he is running the show in LOIs , fact is test results show India team prospers when the legend Dhoni gets booted out (or retires out of shame). Hopefully this will happen soon in LOIs
 
Well in my opinion Dhoni chapter should have been over after the 2015 WC and India should have looked for the future.
India have quality replacements in DK and Pant for instances and should have been groomed for the next WC
 
Is he bigger than the team or what? He can do anything he wants at CSK and in IPL, for the national side, he has been nothing but a momentum killer for a long time now.

High time for Shastri and Kohli to bite the bullet and say goodbye to him along with his lackey Raina. Enough damage done to the side, let the youngsters take over. If Kohli cannot groom the youngsters, he should also be sacked as captain. Indian team is not the place to show gratitude for friendships.

Shastri also has to go.
 
I don't hate dhoni but i hate his uneducated fans who find any reason to make dhoni look great.
 
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I don't think thats the case, almost 3 years Kohli is captaining the test team and the results are pretty good. I will not judge his limited overs skills based on IPL as RCB is a screwed up club wrt player management.

Wake up and smell the coffee.

Kohli is probably the dumbest captain in IPL history.

He has had all the power, financial backing and support to build a good team and he still fails. Worse part is that when players leave RCB and go elsewhere, they start performing well.

He can play the tragic hero role year in and year out but slowly people are realizing it's not RCB, it's him.

How did Kohli the captain manage to do things which Dhoni himself could not do as a Test captain (winning a home series vs SA, winning a test series in SL and winning a home series vs England).

The Dhoni mafia (including his PR agency) has build this aura around Dhoni as if he is running the show in LOIs , fact is test results show India team prospers when the legend Dhoni gets booted out (or retires out of shame). Hopefully this will happen soon in LOIs

Simple.

ODIs and T20s are far more tactical than tests.

In tests, you need to make sure the specialists are picked, backed and you maintain energy in the field. Man management and culture matters more than tactics.

Kohli the test captain made sure he backed pacers. He doesn't allow bowlers or fielders to slack around in the field. His infectious enthusiasm rubs off on others and his aggression instills a feeling of belief in the players.

In that aspect, Kohli is a WONDERFUL test captain and I rate him.

It also helps that he got good and most importantly clutch test batsmen at his disposal and 2 spinners who were at the peak of their powers.

Tactics wise, Kohli isn't great in tests but it doesn't matter much as you have to set conventional fields for most part. Kohli's tactics work in tests as he focuses on the basics, keeps the energy of the team high and makes everyone believe they can do it. However the times when opposition goes on a complete offensive (Chandimal, Roston Chase, Aus piling on runs in the 1st test), Kohli starts panicking real bad and it affects his decision making and it makes everyone in the team super nervous.

Problem for Kohli in tests is that his team selection is atrocious. He is lucky that he had other players in the team to clean up after his mess (eg - Pujara in SL, Ashwin & Saha in WI). However SA away series selection was a fiasco one too many times for which we paid the price. I don't even want to go into his decision to decline BCCI's offer to fly the test specialists to SA earlier.

In LOIs, the situation is completely different. Tactics matters a lot where Kohli fails miserably. He knows he is crap and he needs Dhoni who takes over when situation goes awry. Moreover, his team selection is atrocious to say the least (but here I can't give hi the blame alone, there is Dhoni there too pulling the strings). There is no long term planning. The only good decision he took was getting the 2 wrist spinners in after the CT 2017 fiasco which is well and good, but it's not some groundbreaking move. The world had moved on to wrist spinners and it was just a matter of time for India to follow suit and test them. And don't even get me started on how easily he drops Kuldeep as opposed to Chahal.

All in all, Kohli has his positives and negatives. His style works for test cricket (leaving aside his selection fiascos and tiff with Kumble) but in LOIs, it's going to be a struggle.

Luckily for him, he has at his disposal, a highly talented and well rounded team.

Can Kohli improve/change? Yes, he can.

But this is my observation based upon his performance uptil now.
 
And let's be honest:

Dhoni would have won the home test series vs SA, away series vs SL in 2015 and home tests vs England in 2016.

Not Dhoni's fault that we had 4 duds in our batting during 2012 England series (Sehwag, Gambo, SRT and Yuvi) and one dud spinner (Ashwin).

Kohli's approach to tests is what is to be commended. Not results per se when it comes to SC tests. His approach paid huge dividends in WI as our pacers attacked as a unit (which possibly may not have happened under Dhoni).
 
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And let's be honest:

Dhoni would have won the home test series vs SA, away series vs SL in 2015 and home tests vs England in 2016.

Not Dhoni's fault that we had 4 duds in our batting during 2012 England series (Sehwag, Gambo, SRT and Yuvi) and one dud spinner (Ashwin).

Kohli's approach to tests is what is to be commended. Not results per se when it comes to SC tests. His approach paid huge dividends in WI as our pacers attacked as a unit (which possibly may not have happened under Dhoni).

And SA.

Bumrah move was a great one by Kohli and co.

Still Kohli managed to screw it up in the 2nd test by dropping Bhuvi. He is one special case. lol.
 
It's not a recent phenomenon, it started 3 years back in Sydney against Australia in WC semi finals. I watched the game in stadium and it was painful to watch what he was doing. Even then small part of Australian crowd was booing him but you see Indian media doesnt report such things often. Then rite at the very end he hit 2 sizes of Watson and his strike rate looked better but the game was lost long before those sixes. Y'day also had he hit a couple of sixes in the end and ended up with a strike rate of 90+ and wud have gotten away from media criticism.
 
And SA.

Bumrah move was a great one by Kohli and co.

Still Kohli managed to screw it up in the 2nd test by dropping Bhuvi. He is one special case. lol.

And India was one decent partnership away from winning the series.
The thing I like about Kohli's bowling unit is their ability to take 20 wickets outside India. Previously India used to struggled in this regard. I believe India can win Test series in tough conditions now
 
What kind of question is this???? No batsman should just play a bad innings because they are a 'legend' and have 'earned the right'. Every time you play for a team, you always try to do the best for the team. I'm surprised you even asked this question. If you play a bad innings then you play a bad innings, doesn't matter if you are an ATG or a TTF. I'm not talking about MS Dhoni's innings yesterday, but just in general as I feel this is a pretty bizarre question.
 
Wake up and smell the coffee.

Kohli is probably the dumbest captain in IPL history.

He has had all the power, financial backing and support to build a good team and he still fails. Worse part is that when players leave RCB and go elsewhere, they start performing well.

He can play the tragic hero role year in and year out but slowly people are realizing it's not RCB, it's him.



Simple.

ODIs and T20s are far more tactical than tests.

In tests, you need to make sure the specialists are picked, backed and you maintain energy in the field. Man management and culture matters more than tactics.

Kohli the test captain made sure he backed pacers. He doesn't allow bowlers or fielders to slack around in the field. His infectious enthusiasm rubs off on others and his aggression instills a feeling of belief in the players.

In that aspect, Kohli is a WONDERFUL test captain and I rate him.

It also helps that he got good and most importantly clutch test batsmen at his disposal and 2 spinners who were at the peak of their powers.

Tactics wise, Kohli isn't great in tests but it doesn't matter much as you have to set conventional fields for most part. Kohli's tactics work in tests as he focuses on the basics, keeps the energy of the team high and makes everyone believe they can do it. However the times when opposition goes on a complete offensive (Chandimal, Roston Chase, Aus piling on runs in the 1st test), Kohli starts panicking real bad and it affects his decision making and it makes everyone in the team super nervous.

Problem for Kohli in tests is that his team selection is atrocious. He is lucky that he had other players in the team to clean up after his mess (eg - Pujara in SL, Ashwin & Saha in WI). However SA away series selection was a fiasco one too many times for which we paid the price. I don't even want to go into his decision to decline BCCI's offer to fly the test specialists to SA earlier.

In LOIs, the situation is completely different. Tactics matters a lot where Kohli fails miserably. He knows he is crap and he needs Dhoni who takes over when situation goes awry. Moreover, his team selection is atrocious to say the least (but here I can't give hi the blame alone, there is Dhoni there too pulling the strings). There is no long term planning. The only good decision he took was getting the 2 wrist spinners in after the CT 2017 fiasco which is well and good, but it's not some groundbreaking move. The world had moved on to wrist spinners and it was just a matter of time for India to follow suit and test them. And don't even get me started on how easily he drops Kuldeep as opposed to Chahal.

All in all, Kohli has his positives and negatives. His style works for test cricket (leaving aside his selection fiascos and tiff with Kumble) but in LOIs, it's going to be a struggle.

Luckily for him, he has at his disposal, a highly talented and well rounded team.

Can Kohli improve/change? Yes, he can.

But this is my observation based upon his performance uptil now.

If he's not a good LOI captain,Rohit is there.It can't be a reason to carry Dhoni

Also I think you are selling him a bit short.Dhoni would have continued with Ash n Jaddu instead of Chahal n Kuldeep.

In Tests,his team selection is screwed up but onfield he almost always is spot on.Dhoni couldn't even get basics right.On the whole he understands bowling lot better than Dhoni
 
Kohli proved he can win without Dhoni in tests so it is time for Dhoni to say goodbye to Indian cricket. Let other guys come in now. Learn something from Sangakara/ABD they retired at their peak.
 
It was embarrassing to see one of the best 5 to play the ODI's playing such an innings. It was like a cry for help.
 
And SA.

Bumrah move was a great one by Kohli and co.

Still Kohli managed to screw it up in the 2nd test by dropping Bhuvi. He is one special case. lol.

It's not a recent phenomenon, it started 3 years back in Sydney against Australia in WC semi finals. I watched the game in stadium and it was painful to watch what he was doing. Even then small part of Australian crowd was booing him but you see Indian media doesnt report such things often. Then rite at the very end he hit 2 sizes of Watson and his strike rate looked better but the game was lost long before those sixes. Y'day also had he hit a couple of sixes in the end and ended up with a strike rate of 90+ and wud have gotten away from media criticism.

Kohli proved he can win without Dhoni in tests so it is time for Dhoni to say goodbye to Indian cricket. Let other guys come in now. Learn something from Sangakara/ABD they retired at their peak.

Such disrespect you people.

MSD is bigger than the game. There, I said that what Shastri and Kohli aren't directly saying.
 
What kind of question is this???? No batsman should just play a bad innings because they are a 'legend' and have 'earned the right'. Every time you play for a team, you always try to do the best for the team. I'm surprised you even asked this question. If you play a bad innings then you play a bad innings, doesn't matter if you are an ATG or a TTF. I'm not talking about MS Dhoni's innings yesterday, but just in general as I feel this is a pretty bizarre question.

Brother this is a sarcastic question. If you read my post u can understand.
 
Repeating the same again 😢

How can u be so carless?

Like..striking at 55 in the 43rd over..

It looks like he's a Mafia and no can speak a word against his approach to batting
 
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