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Has Pakistan finally found an answer to replacing Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam in T20I?

mominsaigol said:
I won't write a long essay but I do need to explain a few points.

Problem is you are looking for an all format replacement not realising babar and rizwan themselves aren't all format batsmen. This is something @Rana has tirelessly tried to explain to you.

Now for the official answer

Test

Rizwan: Atm no one, although I haven't been following PK fc for a while so Idk of a potential wk batter has shown up.

Babar: Kamran Ghulam

Odi

Babar: His form is utterly crap atm, but i don't mind him in odi too much, however it's worth giving Kamran Ghulam a go.

Rizwan: Haris as he's willing to bat at no 7, bring in someone else at no 4

T20

Rizwan: Haris or usman khan

Babar: Saim Ayub
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Haris cannot be trusted for just T20s let alone ODI. He has been poor so far and has been given plenty opportunities at all levels of national international cricket. Rizwan does need to leave T20s but Haris is not the answer. Usman also is an ugly hack, who will not do much against quality bowling.
 
Kianig89 said:
Usman or Haris , so you are unsure who is the best replacement for Rizwan
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You didnt specify that you only wanted one answer 🤣🤣🤣.

Ig Haris because he's adjustable from 1 to 7 while Usman Khan is only suited for opening
 
PakPremi said:
Haris cannot be trusted for just T20s let alone ODI. He has been poor so far and has been given entry of opportunities at all levels of international cricket. Rizwan does need to leave T20s but Haris is not the answer. Usman also is an ugly hack, who will not do much against quality bowling.
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Haris is fine as hes adjustable. Pakistan doesn't have keeping talent.

It's best to kick rizwan out and have fakhar + Saim open, Haris can slot in at 3-7 anywhere is fine.
 
My T20 selections in line with the fact that next world cup is in Asia

Saim
Haris/Sahibzada
Fakhar/Hassan
Agha
Haider
Khushdil
One of Imad/Shadab (unfortunately)
Hussain Talat
One of Shaheen/Haris
Akif
Abrar/Sufyan

One extra spare fast bowler could be any random bowler who is doing well from Nasim, Wasim Jr, Hasan Ali, to anyone else who is just able to bowl good overs in the nets & be a ready backup if there's a need. I would like to keep Abdus Samad in the loop too but he's not even playing for his PSL team so what chance he's going to get for Pak.

Rizwan can still be in the team unfortunate as it may be but Babar in his current avatar has no place in any team, not even ODIs. The fact that Saim, Agha, Khushdil bowl add a good dimension to the team & Haris keeps so all of these options are covered in the top order. Having a team with just fixed five bowlers as an option is a risky strategy & you need a deep batting line-up. Seam bowling all-rounders have all done jack so no point in playing Jahandad, Fahim, Abbas, & Amir Jamal and it'd be better to go with Hussain Talat. Saad Masood won't get proper chances in Isb & Arafat Minhas hasn't looked the part at all. Qasim Akram is a forgotten player & we'll probably see him in MLC playing alongside Hassan Khan who I still think is a big miss.
 
Kianig89 said:
Who are Rizwan and Babar's replacement

No long essays just two names ?
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Just two names only ? You are too kind.

Across formats,

With the gloves quota for Rizwan:

Mohammad Haris, Rohail Nazir

Without gloves quota:

You can pick anyone from the top 20 players in Pakistan with vastly superior S/R’s compared to Rizwan.

For Babar Azam:

Fakhar Zaman/Saim Ayub and Azan Awais
 
shaz619 said:
Just two names only ? You are too kind.

Across formats,

With the gloves quota for Rizwan:

Mohammad Haris, Rohail Nazir

Without gloves quota:

You can pick anyone from the top 20 players in Pakistan with vastly superior S/R’s compared to Rizwan.

For Babar Azam:

Fakhar Zaman/Saim Ayub and Azan Awais
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Finally found Rohail Nazir name . He was rated above Pant by Pakistan fans specially Junaid. 🤣🤣 :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Finally found Rohail Nazir name . He was rated above Pant by Pakistan fans specially Junaid. 🤣🤣 :kp
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@Junaids Is one of the best talent scouts on PP. Unfortunately, Rohail has been kept out by snakes in the Pakistan set-up.

You much rather have invested in a prospect like Rohail at the time to reap the rewards now.

What has Rizwan achieved that is anywhere close to Pant 🤡
 
shaz619 said:
@Junaids Is one of the best talent scouts on PP. Unfortunately, Rohail has been kept out by snakes in the Pakistan set-up.

You much rather have invested in a prospect like Rohail at the time to reap the rewards now.

What has Rizwan achieved that is anywhere close to Pant 🤡
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But he has blame himself. He is not even any PSL team ,why? Is he worse than Azam or Usman Khan? :kp
 
shaz619 said:
Just two names only ? You are too kind.

Across formats,

With the gloves quota for Rizwan:

Mohammad Haris, Rohail Nazir

Without gloves quota:

You can pick anyone from the top 20 players in Pakistan with vastly superior S/R’s compared to Rizwan.

For Babar Azam:

Fakhar Zaman/Saim Ayub and Azan Awais
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So Fakhar and Saim will replace Babar ,aren't they already Part of team , Azan Awais unbelievable you throw in a random rookie to replace Babar ,what is Azans credentials
 
Devadwal said:
Finally found Rohail Nazir name . He was rated above Pant by Pakistan fans specially Junaid. 🤣🤣 :kp
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This brigade is a deluded group who believe any player who can hit a random six should be opening the batting , evident by the fact they wanted ASIF Ali as skipper
 
Devadwal said:
But he has blame himself. He is not even any PSL team ,why? Is he worse than Azam or Usman Khan? :kp
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I gave you two suggestions across formats, try and understand that first
 
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Kianig89 said:
So Fakhar and Saim will replace Babar ,aren't they already Part of team , Azan Awais unbelievable you throw in a random rookie to replace Babar ,what is Azans credentials
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Fakhar & Saim are out the team currently and can play in the same position as Babar / are more equipped than him to do so. You don’t follow or value domestic cricket so you are clueless about Azan, he is more qualified then Babar who refuses to prove himself in domestic cricket so I gave you one of best prospect’s in the country, you should appreciate how I’ve chosen to bless you today and it’s not even Jummah yet.
 
Kianig89 said:
This brigade is a deluded group who believe any player who can hit a random six should be opening the batting , evident by the fact they wanted ASIF Ali as skipper
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What has Rizwan achieved besides getting exposed in his own backyard and also in back to back ICC tournaments ? There are players who may not be everyones cup of tea, but you need to have a certain level of intelligence to understand the roles and requirements between different formats in the modern era, it’s 2025, not 1990 my nalayak prah.
 
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Why doesn't @Kianig89 provide his T20 team instead of asking other's opinions, here is mine with keeping in mind the next T20 World Cup will be played in Asis;

1. Saim
2. Sahibzada
3. Fakhar
4. Salman
5. Haider A.
6. M. Harris (WK)
7. Waiting for someone to distinguish himself
8. Shaheen
9. Rauf
10. Sufiyan
11. Abrar

I believe Salman and Saim could be the 5th bowling option hence would like to play a hard hitting batsman at #7.
 
shaz619 said:
Fakhar & Saim are out the team currently and can play in the same position as Babar / are more equipped than him to do so. You don’t follow or value domestic cricket so you are clueless about Azan, he is more qualified then Babar who refuses to prove himself in domestic cricket so I gave you one of best prospect’s in the country, you should appreciate how I’ve chosen to bless you today and it’s not even Jummah yet.
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It's guys like you who considered Hurraira as the next big thing and we all saw how he fell flat. This is international cricket not stick cricket
 
Kianig89 said:
It's guys like you who considered Hurraira as the next big thing and we all saw how he fell flat. This is international cricket not stick cricket
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What’s that supposed to mean? You were saying the other day Abdullah Shafique should open T20s before Sahibzada Farhan.

What’s wrong now with Hurraira being hyped for Test cricket???
 
Rana said:
What’s that supposed to mean? You were saying the other day Abdullah Shafique should open T20s before Sahibzada Farhan.

What’s wrong now with Hurraira being hyped for Test cricket???
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Shafique has manageable technical issues, unlike Hurraira who needs lot of work
 
BakuGM said:
Why doesn't @Kianig89 provide his T20 team instead of asking other's opinions, here is mine with keeping in mind the next T20 World Cup will be played in Asis;

1. Saim
2. Sahibzada
3. Fakhar
4. Salman
5. Haider A.
6. M. Harris (WK)
7. Waiting for someone to distinguish himself
8. Shaheen
9. Rauf
10. Sufiyan
11. Abrar

I believe Salman and Saim could be the 5th bowling option hence would like to play a hard hitting batsman at #7.
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Shaheen is a number 11. Him at 8 is a recipe for disaster. Surprised to see H Nawaz not make the cut
 
Rana said:
So what’s your argument? You need players of Babar Azam’s mould in T20s but not in Tests??
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Shafiq better than Hurraira in any format. Though Hurraira is a young player and can improve himself
 
Kianig89 said:
Shafiq better than Hurraira in any format. Though Hurraira is a young player and can improve himself
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Shafique has pretty much been written off in ODI

He is struggling in Tests as well.

In T20s, he has a lot of convincing to do in the number 3-4 position.

How is your support of Shafique better than his support of Hurraira??
 
Rana said:
Shafique has pretty much been written off in ODI

He is struggling in Tests as well.

In T20s, he has a lot of convincing to do in the number 3-4 position.

How is your support of Shafique better than his support of Hurraira??
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Shafiq has shown he belongs to international level , where as Hurraira needs massive improvement
 
Rana said:
Shafique has shown he belongs how? 3 ducks in South Africa?
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So what this is part and parcel of game ,he has age on his side should be a permanent fixture in Pakistan team.

Saim Shafiq Babar it's an all format solid trio
 
Kianig89 said:
So what this is part and parcel of game ,he has age on his side should be a permanent fixture in Pakistan team.

Saim Shafiq Babar it's an all format solid trio
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No, it’s something you are concocting just to argue and disagree with those who have constantly embarrassed you here.

So where does Fakhar go in T20s and ODIs?

You’ve abandoned your fight for Rizwan as well now??
 
Kianig89 said:
It's guys like you who considered Hurraira as the next big thing and we all saw how he fell flat. This is international cricket not stick cricket
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You should quote what I said when you mention guys like me
 
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Kianig89 said:
So what this is part and parcel of game ,he has age on his side should be a permanent fixture in Pakistan team.

Saim Shafiq Babar it's an all format solid trio
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You said all this yesterday…

Kianig89 said:
If Pakistan plays tomorrow, open with Saim Ayub and Fakhar Zaman
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Kianig89 said:
Saim Fakhar Shafiq

Rest of all are tullers more miss than hit
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Kianig89 said:
I know what I'm talking , we need a player in Babar's mould
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Kianig89 said:
The probability of Shafiq scoring consistent runs is more than that of Farhan.

Teams are built on consistency and fluke performances. We all saw how the hyped player performed in binary codes (Hassan Nawaz)
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In less than 24 hours, you went from: Saim/Fakhar/Shafique to Saim/Shafique/Babar


What are you trying to do?
 
Babar and Rizwan in ODIs still have a role to play specially considering that next world cup is in SA.

In T20Is, yes Babar and Rizwan should not even be in contention. I can think of atleast 10 better options than these two in T20Is let alone Fakhar and Saim. Consider this top 5 based on current form;

1. Saim
2. Harris/Farhan/Hassan/Haider/Usman
3. Fakhar
4. Salman
5. Khushdil

Where will you put Babar-Rizwan ?
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
My T20 selections in line with the fact that next world cup is in Asia

Saim
Haris/Sahibzada
Fakhar/Hassan
Agha
Haider
Khushdil
One of Imad/Shadab (unfortunately)
Hussain Talat
One of Shaheen/Haris
Akif
Abrar/Sufyan

One extra spare fast bowler could be any random bowler who is doing well from Nasim, Wasim Jr, Hasan Ali, to anyone else who is just able to bowl good overs in the nets & be a ready backup if there's a need. I would like to keep Abdus Samad in the loop too but he's not even playing for his PSL team so what chance he's going to get for Pak.

Rizwan can still be in the team unfortunate as it may be but Babar in his current avatar has no place in any team, not even ODIs. The fact that Saim, Agha, Khushdil bowl add a good dimension to the team & Haris keeps so all of these options are covered in the top order. Having a team with just fixed five bowlers as an option is a risky strategy & you need a deep batting line-up. Seam bowling all-rounders have all done jack so no point in playing Jahandad, Fahim, Abbas, & Amir Jamal and it'd be better to go with Hussain Talat. Saad Masood won't get proper chances in Isb & Arafat Minhas hasn't looked the part at all. Qasim Akram is a forgotten player & we'll probably see him in MLC playing alongside Hassan Khan who I still think is a big miss.
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Fakhar is a must. That '/' with Hassan is criminal unless he is unfit.

I will swap places of Khushdil and Haider. Khushdil takes time to get going so he should not bat below 5. KK is wasting him at 6. Haider should fight for his spot at 6 with Sammad and Niazi .

We should move on from Shadab and specially Imad after that pathetic WC innings. Time to invest in Arafat, Mehran and Jamal (his batting is underrated). There is another option of playing a specialist batsman at 7. Someone like Harris can easily bat at 7 while leaving a slot for another opener like Farhan, Hassan, Usman etc

Hussain Talat is a mediocre cricketer and will be a massive failure at intl level once again. He is an inferior version of Shoaib Malik !

Overall, I like your approach.
 
Rana said:
This is your big opportunity

Let’s see your first XI (out of the 3)
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I'll oblige.:afridi

  1. Farhan​
  2. Yasir Khan​
  3. Fakhar​
  4. Kamran​
  5. Khushdil​
  6. Iftikhar​
  7. M Harris​
  8. Shaheen​
  9. Naseem​
  10. Akif/Abbas​
  11. Sufyan/Abrar​

This KPK XI will beat rest of the Pakistan XI and I am not even joking.:ba_shock
 
Greenstorm said:
Fakhar is a must. That '/' with Hassan is criminal unless he is unfit.

I will swap places of Khushdil and Haider. Khushdil takes time to get going so he should not bat below 5. KK is wasting him at 6. Haider should fight for his spot at 6 with Sammad and Niazi .

We should move on from Shadab and specially Imad after that pathetic WC innings. Time to invest in Arafat, Mehran and Jamal (his batting is underrated). There is another option of playing a specialist batsman at 7. Someone like Harris can easily bat at 7 while leaving a slot for another opener like Farhan, Hassan, Usman etc

Hussain Talat is a mediocre cricketer and will be a massive failure at intl level once again. He is an inferior version of Shoaib Malik !

Overall, I like your approach.
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The "/" is for the squad players as there have been 16 selected in total & the player after the "/" is the squad player. Most of the players that I've picked are the ones who got picked in the last squad, this isn't a totally fantasy squad but just adding a few players here and there.

I don't like Imad or Shadab but the issue is that Mehran won't play much, Arafat has been a disappointment so far, & Jamal is not even playing franchise cricket so hard to gauge where he's standing. Shadab is also the vice captain and he does ok in PSL so it's difficult that he'll be dropped.

For pace all rounders between Fahim, Jamal, & Talat, it's a three way tie and the only person who plays regularly is Talat & that's why I went with with him as my seam all-rounder. Don't like him a lot but he's just won his team a domestic cup & is better than Fahim in terms of domestic numbers and at least playing more than Jamal so we won't lose or gain much if he plays.
 
BakuGM said:
Hasan Nawaz will be in the 15 but doesn't open over Saim/Sahibzada/Fakhar.
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Considering Nawaz scored that dynamite 100 (which could be a fluke), I would persist with him in the XI for the next couple of games.

I would also put Fakhar in the middle order when spinners are bowling. Our middle order is fragile. This will allow Farhan to open.

So the line could look like:

Saim
Farhan
Nawaz
Fakhar
Agha
Haris
 
gazza619 said:
Considering Nawaz scored that dynamite 100 (which could be a fluke), I would persist with him in the XI for the next couple of games.

I would also put Fakhar in the middle order when spinners are bowling. Our middle order is fragile. This will allow Farhan to open.

So the line could look like:

Saim
Farhan
Nawaz
Fakhar
Agha
Haris
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Good to see you moving on the right track 👍
 
Just move on from both of them if their compatriots are giving the same level of performance.

Quite simple really.
 
Seems like it's time to say tata bye bye to both these crooks for good now. At least in T20s

They are slowly being exposed as useless ODI players game by game and hopefully the will be exposed in tests and thrown out for good. In the case of Babar I think that has already happened
 
The great match where Babar helped Saim adapt to international cricket… @Kianig89



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