Has Pakistan finally found an answer to replacing Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam in T20I?

[GoUgandaCranes]

Saim and Fakhar have replaced the opening pair. I feel they are good & should be persisted with until Naeem is ready to take the mantle. .

Haris is number 3 & while on his day he's good, generally he's an erratic player. I also feel he is not a reliable keeper, he has moments of magic and a few good leaps and dives but overall he's not a safe keeper.

There's a big issue with Saim at the moment as his form just hasn't clicked post injury. Until he starts performing people will continue to ask for comeback of Babar. Haris needs to keep better because he'll never be a consistent batter. If he keeps like how he kept today, he won't be in the team.

Do we need RizBar in T20? no.
Will people stop saying that they should make a comeback? Also no.

 

[Mamoon]

Saim
Rizwan (wk)
Babar (c)
Fakhar
Hasan Nawaz
Mohammad Nawaz
Khushdil Shah
Faheem
Shaheen
Rauf
Abrar

This team beats the team that played today 9/10 times.

 

[Rana]

Saim
Rizwan (wk)
Babar (c)
Fakhar
Hasan Nawaz
Mohammad Nawaz
Khushdil Shah
Faheem
Shaheen
Rauf
Abrar

This team beats the team that played today 9/10 times.

This team loses to USA 9/10 times too.

 

[mominsaigol]

This team loses to USA 9/10 times too.

I am wondering what agha did to be excluded from this list lol

How did nawaz make it to the playing 11 over Agha?

 

[Rana]

I am wondering what agha did to be excluded from this list lol

How did nawaz make it to the playing 11 over Agha?

Probably didn’t s… Babar off

 

[RidiculousMan]

Some days one side has the upper hand, the next day another. But hear it clear that the end of all the battles. The new generation will prevail in this format.

 

[Mamoon]

This team loses to USA 9/10 times too.

I don’t think so, I didn’t pick Amir.

 

[Mamoon]

I am wondering what agha did to be excluded from this list lol

How did nawaz make it to the playing 11 over Agha?

That is not my best XI. Notice that I picked the useless Rauf as well and also Khushdil who is poor. I was making the point that even a weak Pakistan team but with Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen will comfortably beat the so-called modern and merit-based Pakistan team that got owned yesterday.

 

[Mamoon]

@mominsaigol

This is my best T20I for Pakistan as I stated few weeks back. This team will thrash the one that played yesterday.

Rizwan +
Saim
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen (c)
M. Wasim
H. Ali
Abrar

Agha doesn’t deserve to be T20I captain ahead of the 3x PSL winning captain.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol

This is my best T20I for Pakistan as I stated few weeks back. This team will thrash the one that played yesterday.

Rizwan +
Saim
Babar
Fakhar
Agha
H. Nawaz
Faheem
Shaheen (c)
M. Wasim
H. Ali
Abrar

Agha doesn’t deserve to be T20I captain ahead of the 3x PSL winning captain.

Sufiyan > Abrar
Salman Mirza bowled well and id like to see him play a few more games
Fakhar should open with saim, Babar at 3 and rizzu at 4 if he is to be included.

 

[Mamoon]

Sufiyan > Abrar
Salman Mirza bowled well and id like to see him play a few more games
Fakhar should open with saim, Babar at 3 and rizzu at 4 if he is to be included.

Rizwan has been more successful than Fakhar has an opener. Fakhar has been more successful than him as a middle-order batsman.

So it doesn’t make sense to not play them at positions where they have been relatively more prolific.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan has been more successful than Fakhar has an opener. Fakhar has been more successful than him as a middle-order batsman.

So it doesn’t make sense to not play them at positions where they have been relatively more prolific.

Rizwan is too slow. Playing a 50 of 40 in t20 is equally harmful as getting all out on 140.

 

[Rana]

I don’t think so, I didn’t pick Amir.

Zimbu is enough to ensure it

 

[mominsaigol]

Zimbu is enough to ensure it

Bangladesh pitches are toss dependant.

Aus and England struggled here in test cricket.

 

[Rana]

Bangladesh pitches are toss dependant.

Aus and England struggled here in test cricket.

According to Zimbu fans, him and Rizwan will bat like Lara and Ponting here apparently.

But then the same Zimbabar and Legwan bat like clowns on decent tracks scoring 40-0 in 6 overs of powerplay

 

[mominsaigol]

According to Zimbu fans, him and Rizwan will bat like Lara and Ponting here apparently.

But then the same Zimbabar and Legwan bat like clowns on decent tracks scoring 40-0 in 6 overs of powerplay

It's cause people are rewriting history. It's akin to people wanting Johnny Bairstow and Jos Butler in the test team not realising that in current form Crawley, Jamie Smith and pope are better then they are at present.

Bairstow prime is done and dusted. People are still living in 2021 not realising that its been 2 years since babar has actually played a match winning innings or scored a century.

His best knocks have been chasing a low total vs Australia and that 94 of 50 in PSl. Rizwan.has also been badly out of touch post 2023

 

[Mamoon]

The pitch excuse is embarrassing. Bangladesh chased it in 15 overs without any fuss.

There was no excuse for this “modern” batting lineup to not have scored 140+

 

[shaz619]

I rather lose here then bring back the two numpties who have embraced their country repeatedly, give this new crop as long a rope and multiple ICC tournies, then we can decide if we are thick enough to take 20 steps backwards.

 

[mominsaigol]

I rather lose here then bring back the two numpties who have embraced their country repeatedly, give this new crop as long a rope and multiple ICC tournies, then we can decide if we are thick enough to take 20 steps backwards.

I wouldn't mind Babar coming back if Saim continues to flunk and Shabzada doesnt land the stick.

Rizwan hell no, a limited test player doesnt have a place in t20

 

[shaz619]

I wouldn't mind Babar coming back if Saim continues to flunk and Shabzada doesnt land the stick.

Rizwan hell no, a limited test player doesnt have a place in t20

Babar has had enough chances, I would give someone else a go ahead of him if these new blokes are not delivering. Babar has not done anything in international cricket for a very very long time; he needs to spend a significant period in domestic cricket to prove his salt again.

 

[ads101]

Think it was a mistake to drop Farhan. Farhan did well a few matches ago and in PSL. Saim and Farhan are likely the future.

There has been too many different combinations changes. You’ve got to give an opening pair time. Would have gone with Saim and Farhan and be done with it, give them a long run.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar has had enough chances, I would give someone else a go ahead of him if these new blokes are not delivering. Babar has not done anything in international cricket for a very very long time; he needs to spend a significant period in domestic cricket to prove his salt again.

I'm speaking from a neutral perspective. Out of form babar has still been better then current Saim Ayub.

Shabzada Farhan needs to now make a mark.

Other option is to bring Haris at opening but I prefer Haris to stick no 3

 

[Mamoon]

Some people are absolutely seething because their agenda has been destroyed. Beautiful.

This reality check was always on the cards. I had warned you.

 

[Rana]

Some people are absolutely seething because their agenda has been destroyed. Beautiful.

This reality check was always on the cards. I had warned you.

Agenda was destroyed when??

Who has the fastest T20 hundred for Pakistan????

 

[shaz619]

I'm speaking from a neutral perspective. Out of form babar has still been better then current Saim Ayub.

Shabzada Farhan needs to now make a mark.

Other option is to bring Haris at opening but I prefer Haris to stick no 3

Pak could give him a go but it would be a backward step in my view, we’ve been here before and we’d see him fail yet again in next years WT20, unfortunately he just isn’t the player Pakistan want him to be, we’ve been here before where after some panic these two come back and do ok against these teams then embarrass us in ICC events. Babar should use some time away from the game and do a bit of soul searching to understand the requirements of modern cricket if he wants to play in all formats. He should be playing significant amounts of FC cricket & working with specialist coaches to exploit his full potential and change his diabolical attitude.

All this excessive pampering & bas Pakistan mai babar eh hai bs has gone to his head and also his choice of mates hasn’t been good either, worse still, he made that a big part of his game in a team sport where you need to always maintain professionalism.

 

[shaz619]

There will be such defeats along the way, it happened a lot with Morgan’s England to, but if you have the right vision/strategy in place and back a group of players who are positive about executing the requirements of modern cricket in 2025, then stay the course and results will come. Cricket is always evolving in Kirsten’s own words, you need to be flexible more then ever and have a team which is open-minded / on the same page when it comes to matching the intensity of the elite international T20 teams.

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653024405721604096

 

[Rana]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653007677096689666

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Our legacy will slowly be ruined if we keep losing to teams like BD. For a once great cricketing nation that had likes of Wasim, Waqar, Fazal Mahmood, Qadir, Inzamam, Miandad, Mohammad Yousuf to look up to to now be losing to the likes of BD....future generation will lose interest in cricket. It is very important that we revive our legacy and that can only happen with wins.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Bangladesh pitches are toss dependant.

Aus and England struggled here in test cricket.

Ya so true my bro people are forgetting england and Australia lost badly on these pitches these are same pitches which aqib made its toss dependent and bangladesh at home knows these pitches inside out an pak batsmen like pace on the ball where they can hit like we have seen in pakistan where bangladesh had no answers got whitewashed in t20s

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

According to Zimbu fans, him and Rizwan will bat like Lara and Ponting here apparently.

But then the same Zimbabar and Legwan bat like clowns on decent tracks scoring 40-0 in 6 overs of powerplay

Let's not forget this bro.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Ya so true my bro people are forgetting england and Australia lost badly on these pitches these are same pitches which aqib made its toss dependent and bangladesh at home knows these pitches inside out an pak batsmen like pace on the ball where they can hit like we have seen in pakistan where bangladesh had no answers got whitewashed in t20s

We cannot be making excuses after losing to a clown side like BD.

 

[ads101]

I'm speaking from a neutral perspective. Out of form babar has still been better then current Saim Ayub.

Shabzada Farhan needs to now make a mark.

Other option is to bring Haris at opening but I prefer Haris to stick no 3

You need some stability at top to have a good platform. Without it, it puts pressure on the middle order. People scream about opening powerplay, but I think the real problem was acceleration once set. Particularly in Rizwan and Babar’s case.

Fakhar’s issue is he isn’t reliable early on. So he doesn’t produce that stability. Excellent accelerating but he doesn’t have the time he does in ODIs. We should have given him opening chances years back, but he’s 35 and hasn’t cemented a place in top order feels time to move on. Playing a 35 year old on potential doesn’t seem right. I’d much rather take a go on Farhan and Saim now.

I don’t think we should go back to Babar yet. I think his head’s gone sadly, and will take a while to get back in form. Just like what happened to Malik.

Farhan and Saim at least in domestic have shown to be consistently performing at decent strike rates. They could be those openers we need. I’d just stick with that duo for a long time now. I don’t think there are many other options right now, might as well back. We need to find one consistent opening pair that put on stands. It doesn’t need to be Rizwan and Babar. But we need to choose to back one pair.

Haris has potential to strike quicker but I think his game is too risky to be a consistent performer up top. I think he’s fine middle order.

I think this whole obsession with having a dasher up top is wrong. Nearly every game we seem to have trouble lasting full overs, slowing down at middle at end. We are literally slowing down in order to make up for lack of batting stability.

 

[Mamoon]

Thank you Bangladesh for saving us from noise pollution. This rubbish team will be badly exposed in the next 12 months.

 

[Mamoon]

But but but Babar and Rizwan cannot make this team

 

[mominsaigol]

Lol even my threads are now suffering from the sweep shot effect @Nikhil_cric

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol even my threads are now suffering from the sweep shot effect @Nikhil_cric

Tbf, I don't think BA/Rizwan would have made any difference to the outcome.

 

[mominsaigol]

Tbf, I don't think BA/Rizwan would have made any difference to the outcome.

We need a team change. England for test. I'll decide on odi and t20 later.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We need a team change. England for test. I'll decide on odi and t20 later.

Just support any team that's beating India, lil bro. A lot of Ppers searched for a team for years and ended up doing this anyway.

 

[Mamoon]

Thank you Bangladesh Cricket Board for this beautiful experience. @Rana

 

[mominsaigol]

Just support any team that's beating India, lil bro. A lot of Ppers searched for a team for years and ended up doing this anyway.

I am not other PP'ers. Also I cant whole heartedly hate India as long as you are around older bro.

Oh who am I kidding, England will destroy you

 

[shaz619]

Not having the two kanjars in the team who like-minded folk seem to want back, meant that Pak fought till the very end. Had the two love birds played, the innings would have been done & dusted 7 overs earlier. This team continue to show they have all the tools to succeed at the highest level, couldn’t be prouder, it doesn’t matter if you win or lose, all I want to see is them play like cornered tigers. You win some and lose some.

 

[mominsaigol]

Not having the two kanjars in the team who like-minded folk seem to want back, meant that Pak fought till the very end. Had the two love birds played, the innings would have been done & dusted 7 overs earlier. This team continue to show they have all the tools to succeed at the highest level, couldn’t be prouder, it doesn’t matter if you win or lose, all I want to see is them play like cornered tigers. You win some and lose some.

Tbf this team is rubbish lol. But ba/riz should not come back imo

 

[mazkhan]

The batting is a real cause of concern

Anyone dismissing this is like an ostrich with their head in the sand

 

[shaz619]

Tbf this team is rubbish lol. But ba/riz should not come back imo

We’re achieving more giving experience to this new crop opposed to picking seniors to stat pad during series like this, we’re on the path to figure things out after doing the same thing over & over again, such defeats are a big part of learning & development. Even when we were winning you could argue this lot are rubbish but they have character and spirit / willing to play for the team, Pak are rebuilding so we should afford them even more time then what Babar/Riz received, if we need to make changes, we don’t need to go back to those two and can look at other players.

 

[shah9425]

So far this team has given nothing to cheer

Let's give them another chance in west indies

 

[Mamoon]

Same wine, different bottle.

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Not wanting Rizwan and Babar in the team is like not wanting Inzi and Moyo during Bob Woolmer era.

Makes no sense whatsoever

 

[Mamoon]

Babar, Rizwan and Shaheen have to be the first 3 names on the team sheet in all 3 formats.

PCB needs to wake up and accept the reality. What they are doing right now is complete madness.

I will not blame the fans on this forum for their ignorance because it doesn’t matter. They are not decision-makers anyway.

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan can't play Rizwan Babar and Agha in the same xi.

 

[shamaan]

You need some stability at top to have a good platform. Without it, it puts pressure on the middle order. People scream about opening powerplay, but I think the real problem was acceleration once set. Particularly in Rizwan and Babar’s case.

Fakhar’s issue is he isn’t reliable early on. So he doesn’t produce that stability. Excellent accelerating but he doesn’t have the time he does in ODIs. We should have given him opening chances years back, but he’s 35 and hasn’t cemented a place in top order feels time to move on. Playing a 35 year old on potential doesn’t seem right. I’d much rather take a go on Farhan and Saim now.

I don’t think we should go back to Babar yet. I think his head’s gone sadly, and will take a while to get back in form. Just like what happened to Malik.

Farhan and Saim at least in domestic have shown to be consistently performing at decent strike rates. They could be those openers we need. I’d just stick with that duo for a long time now. I don’t think there are many other options right now, might as well back. We need to find one consistent opening pair that put on stands. It doesn’t need to be Rizwan and Babar. But we need to choose to back one pair.

Haris has potential to strike quicker but I think his game is too risky to be a consistent performer up top. I think he’s fine middle order.

I think this whole obsession with having a dasher up top is wrong. Nearly every game we seem to have trouble lasting full overs, slowing down at middle at end. We are literally slowing down in order to make up for lack of batting stability.

Haris has dropped multiple catches.

 

[amvbfm]

Haris has dropped multiple catches.

Have said this many times and will say it again - you need a specialist for this job and Haris isn't one. Neither is he a number 3. You can't have a blind slogger who totally refuses to use his brain bat at the most critical spot in the playing XI.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan has not found the answer yet.... Based on just wicket-keeping skills, rizwan is miles and miles ahead of anyone else in Pakistan but his batting form is not there so I will not support his inclusion. But Babar?? He is still the guy who knows how to bat in difficult position. He might return soon.

Also I don't know why hassan Ali was rested. This is pathetic stuff...

 

[Mamoon]

@Rana

Apologize for your ignorance.

 

[Rana]

@Rana

Apologize for your ignorance.

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Apologise for this!

 

[Rana]

I’ve always maintained and I firmly believe it,

Pakistani fans are as dumb and mediocre as Babar and Rizwan. The same Pakistan side comfortably smashed Bangladesh on good tracks. It was a no contest

The team is good. These $hit pitches mean nothing. Have patience. But you don’t want that, because you want the crap that is Babar and Rizwan. I’ve always known the real ones and those who are fake and waiting for this team to fail. So I’ve never really trusted their opinion anyways when Pakistan is doing well.

 

[Mamoon]

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Apologise for this!

I am not Mohammad Amir, I don’t see why I need to apologize.

 

[Mamoon]

I’ve always maintained and I firmly believe it,

Pakistani fans are as dumb and mediocre as Babar and Rizwan. The same Pakistan side comfortably smashed Bangladesh on good tracks. It was a no contest

The team is good. These $hit pitches mean nothing. Have patience. But you don’t want that, because you want the crap that is Babar and Rizwan. I’ve always known the real ones and those who are fake and waiting for this team to fail. So I’ve never really trusted their opinion anyways when Pakistan is doing well.

Ignorant people always maintain their position. That is why it is said that ignorance is a bliss.

Your agenda has been badly humiliated and you have nowhere to hide now. Crying about the pitch only makes it worse for you.

 

[Rana]

Ignorant people always maintain their position. That is why it is said that ignorance is a bliss.

Your agenda has been badly humiliated and you have nowhere to hide now. Crying about the pitch only makes it worse for you.

That’s why Javed Afridi maintain’s the need to keep Babar as captain of Peshawar Zalmi? And you maintain the need to defend him at all cost?

 

[Rana]

I am not Mohammad Amir, I don’t see why I need to apologize.

You should apologise because we are all witness to how you claimed Pakistan will whoop the world now that Babar is back as captain

 

[Rana]

Do I have a problem with Pakistan struggling to work out a method to somehow grind on $hit wickets and scoring 120-140 runs? Ahh hell na!

Do I have a problem with Pakistan being unprepared to match sides on proper decks where 200+ is inevitable??? Oh hell yeah!!!

 

[ads101]

Haris has dropped multiple catches.

He can improve with the gloves and don’t mind him getting a longer stretch. He’s fine middle order for now.

Azam’s keeping was at the level where you couldn’t really tolerate it. Haris isn’t as bad as that and can improve.

 

[Mamoon]

You should apologise because we are all witness to how you claimed Pakistan will whoop the world now that Babar is back as captain

Please show me where I said that. I give you the whole day. If you fail to provide evidence, you must apologize for being a liar.

 

[Rana]

Please show me where I said that. I give you the whole day. If you fail to provide evidence, you must apologize for being a liar.

Everyone knows, go on to the pre 2024wc threads and how you were meat riding Babar and Rizwan, claiming Pakistan are going to take the world by storm. You made it sound like Pakistan have got their England 2019 strategy sorted with those two back and running things

Just because you like to ride Javed Afridi doesn’t mean I have to do so too!

 

[mominsaigol]

Everyone knows, go on to the pre 2024wc threads and how you were meat riding Babar and Rizwan, claiming Pakistan are going to take the world by storm. You made it sound like Pakistan have got their England 2019 strategy sorted with those two back and running things

Just because you like to ride Javed Afridi doesn’t mean I have to do so too!

The India match thread where going to the mall was supposedly being mocked and how babar would be the first captain in history to get 2 wins in an icc event over India (excluding CT)

That one.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC

 

[Mamoon]

Everyone knows, go on to the pre 2024wc threads and how you were meat riding Babar and Rizwan, claiming Pakistan are going to take the world by storm. You made it sound like Pakistan have got their England 2019 strategy sorted with those two back and running things

Just because you like to ride Javed Afridi doesn’t mean I have to do so too!

What I said was that now that Shaheen has been wrongfully removed as captain, the only right choice for captaincy is Babar. I never said that Pakistan will become unstoppable under him or they will conquer the world.

What I said and what you are accusing me of saying are completely different. I ask again: please share posts where I said that Pakistan will become unbeatable under Babar. You have the whole day. If you fail, you must apologize.

The India match thread where going to the mall was supposedly being mocked and how babar would be the first captain in history to get 2 wins in an icc event over India (excluding CT)

That one.

Babar remains the only Pakistan captain to make the nation happy after a World Cup match vs India. No one can take that away from him.

With a bit of luck, he could have won 3 consecutive T20 World Cup matches vs India, but it wasn’t to be. Still, that is 1 more than everyone else in Pakistan history.

 

[Rana]

hat I said and what you are accusing me of saying are completely different. I ask again: please share posts where I said that Pakistan will become unbeatable under Babar. You have the whole day. If you fail, you must apologize

Neither are you as important for me to prove literally what you said or implied. I could care less. We all know how you were meat riding Babar and Rizwan, and how you were personally attacking myself and others. It escalated to the point where you made Abusive, vile remarks about my mother.

I couldn’t care less to prove myself truthful over you. I couldn’t care less if you stopped breathing at this very point by the will of God. You are no one. No one to be taken seriously in my book.

 

[mominsaigol]

What I said was that now that Shaheen has been wrongfully removed as captain, the only right choice for captaincy is Babar. I never said that Pakistan will become unstoppable under him or they will conquer the world.

What I said and what you are accusing me of saying are completely different. I ask again: please share posts where I said that Pakistan will become unbeatable under Babar. You have the whole day. If you fail, you must apologize.

Babar remains the only Pakistan captain to make the nation happy after a World Cup match vs India. No one can take that away from him.

With a bit of luck, he could have won 3 consecutive T20 World Cup matches vs India, but it wasn’t to be. Still, that is 1 more than everyone else in Pakistan history.

Yeah babar atm is the only one to get a win in an icc event(excluding CT) over india. Won't deny that.

 

[Mamoon]

Neither are you as important for me to prove literally what you said or implied. I could care less. We all know how you were meat riding Babar and Rizwan, and how you were personally attacking myself and others. It escalated to the point where you made Abusive, vile remarks about my mother.

I couldn’t care less to prove myself truthful over you. I couldn’t care less if you stopped breathing at this very point by the will of God. You are no one. No one to be taken seriously in my book.

As I expected, you are running away like a coward because you cannot prove your false allegation. Next time, think twice before lying if you don’t want to embarrass yourself. This is why I keep saying that I have to drop 50 IQ points just to convince myself to respond to you.

 

[Rana]

As I expected, you are running away like a coward because you cannot prove your false allegation. Next time, think twice before lying if you don’t want to embarrass yourself. This is why I keep saying that I have to drop 50 IQ points just to convince myself to respond to you.

Be quiet

You implied Babar and Rizwan are going to take the world by storm at the T20 wc 2024.

I said it again.

 

[shamaan]

He can improve with the gloves and don’t mind him getting a longer stretch. He’s fine middle order for now.

Azam’s keeping was at the level where you couldn’t really tolerate it. Haris isn’t as bad as that and can improve.

I agree he's a better keeper than Azam however he's still a couple leagues below rizwan also should be batting down the order.