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Has playing in the UAE been a blessing in disguise for Pakistan?

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Between 1995 and 2007, Pakistan lost quite a few test series at home (around 8 i think). But ever since PAK shifted to the UAE in 2010, they have not lost a single test series despite fielding weaker teams than in the previous era. Have the UAE pitches favoured the Pakistani style of play more than Pakistani pitches? Discuss
 
Been saying this for years!

Wonder who gave you an idea to start post? :misbah4
 
No. The teams that lost consistently at home would have lost consistently in UAE aswell. Pitches in Pakistan gave the bowlers something to work with, contrary to popular belief. UAE has made a massive difference in the strategy Pakistan cricket has adopted in recent times. The fast bowling culture was nearly destroyed.
 
i dont agree..no way this srilankan team would have won here in pak..this UAE pitches doesnt suit to our style of play..
 
No.

Our ODI form in UAE was similar to what it was in Pakistan

So there is good reason to believe and enough cricketing trends observable to confidently state that the results wold be similar in UAE

In fact one of the excuses many PPers used for our poor ODI performances even in UAE was that the UAE conditions aren't suitable and if we were playing in Pakistan we would have been much better. However our record in Pakistan in ODIs wasnt any great either so I always disregarded this argument.

The style of play, the stability and the players ensured that we would have done similarly well in Pakistan as well.

Also in Pakistan even our Test record post 2003 was fairly good with losses to India and I believe SA. Thats it
 
No.

Our ODI form in UAE was similar to what it was in Pakistan

So there is good reason to believe and enough cricketing trends observable to confidently state that the results wold be similar in UAE

In fact one of the excuses many PPers used for our poor ODI performances even in UAE was that the UAE conditions aren't suitable and if we were playing in Pakistan we would have been much better. However our record in Pakistan in ODIs wasnt any great either so I always disregarded this argument.

The style of play, the stability and the players ensured that we would have done similarly well in Pakistan as well.

Also in Pakistan even our Test record post 2003 was fairly good with losses to India and I believe SA. Thats it

Agree & disagree on this.

Agree, in a sense that in PAK ball swings, and there is "morning condition" in every Northern PAK venue; so bowlers should have got better assistance than UAE track. Obviously, playing at home is an added mental strength - but, it ends there.

Disagree in terms of results - for 2 reasons. 1st one is subjective - wicket in PAK actually is worse than UAE, which doesn't break even in 7th day. It gets slower & lower by day, without disintegrating the top surface - that's worst of it's type - can't play shot, can't get wickets. It's possible to block & survive for hours with dead bat.

2nd one & the main reason why PAK's Test record is so poor at home (in terms of number of Test wins) is the match duration. In most of the venues, it's not possible to play for 6 hours in winter - add to that deliberate time waste by teams in trouble (most cases tourists), and many cases bad weather curtailing play - combined impact is Test matches reduced to 350-400 overs. One thing UAE ensures that 450 overs are played and that has helped Misbah's team winning many, many Tests. I can tell that at least 75% of those Tests would have ended in draws in PAK due to lack of overs.

A classic example was 2000-01 Pom tour of PAK - that series PAK should have won 3-0, with batting 4 times at most - it ended 0-1 to Poms with 1st lose at Karachi. First, PCB prepared Test wickets which will make Abu Dhabi like WACA and ENG got away with 1st 2 Tests, by kicking around PAK spinners & short duration ensured that they get away by a whisker. 3rd Test was at Karachi, only venue where 90 overs/day possible & END won that Test from one great session with ball.

2nd issue was the wicket - as I'll quote from one PCB idiot (won't name) - ENG has pace bowlers & they can play fast bowling, hame spin track banana chahie ... .... obviously that idiot didn't have the knowledge, that against same team PAK did won last 3 series in pacy & bouncy England .... " So, they prepared absolute dead sand bed which doesn't give anything to spinners or fast bowlers or batsmen.

In that Pom team, they had few stroke makers - Stuart, Hick, Naser - they had nightmare of a series on such wickets, but they had Thorpe, Athers & White as well - players that can spend kicking around for sessions. All 3 had GREAT series against PAK spinners - Saqi, Mushi & Kaneria had very little to offer on a wicket, where if batsmen are not going for shots, they can sit back and block - edges won't carry to short fielders/slips, while the wicket is slow enough to recover, if beaten by flight or guile. AND, unlike IND or BD or SRL, spinners don't "kick" on last 2 days to catch you off guard.

In contrary PAK had 4/5 stroke makers - aggressive players that can play shots, but won't last long with dead bat defense - Saeed, Sohail, Moin, Inzi, Afridi, Razzak, Youhana .... so, an spinner like Ashley Giles had his life time achievements - 20 or so wickets in 3 Tests, just bowling on negative length/line & teasing PAK batsmen with darts, while it took Saq 78 overs to get 9 wickets at Gaddafi, bamboozling Pom batsmen almost every alternate ball through out .... and Thorpe got a hundred in 10 hours, without hitting a boundary (or 1).

Take 2005 Pom tour - Inzi has an unbelievable record, 18 Centuries in Test wins - should have been 21 at least. 1 was missed for Hobart cheating, other 2 was at Faisalabad 2005 - his pair of hundreds were in a match that allowed 380 overs, & Poms survived by edge - add another 70 overs in that match ...

I can give lot many examples - From 1987 ENG tour, 1988 AUS tour, 1989 IND tour, 1991 SRL tour, 1996 SAF tour, 1998 ZIM tour ......... but, probably message understood. Spend some time on score cards & count the total overs of any given Test - it should be self explanatory .... add to that cricket knowledge of PAK's batting type & bowling strength, you should understand why UAE is a blessings in disguise. Apart from those few years under Imran, PAK's home record is absolute rubbish - unbeaten is a vague word - series that should have won 3-0/4-0, 3-1 ... ended in 0-0 or at most 1-0, sometimes 0-1 as well.

Hope, instead of "popular belief", it explains why that team of 1990s had actually worse record than ZIM at home, comparatively. Unpopular believe of mine is the best 2 places for PAK team to play cricket is IND & UK, worst 2 are PAK & UAE - obviously I can't prove that, what this tam can achieve on those free scoring, true surfaces, with a bit of swing, carry & consistent bounce, but not much off the track movement.
 
No.

Our ODI form in UAE was similar to what it was in Pakistan

So there is good reason to believe and enough cricketing trends observable to confidently state that the results wold be similar in UAE

In fact one of the excuses many PPers used for our poor ODI performances even in UAE was that the UAE conditions aren't suitable and if we were playing in Pakistan we would have been much better. However our record in Pakistan in ODIs wasnt any great either so I always disregarded this argument.

The style of play, the stability and the players ensured that we would have done similarly well in Pakistan as well.

Also in Pakistan even our Test record post 2003 was fairly good with losses to India and I believe SA. Thats it

ODI form is kinda irrelevant as far as Pakistan are concerned. Until 2005 you were a damn good ODI team but 2006 onwards it has been a downward spiral with occasional wins here and there. So i dont think the venue really matters in that format. Tests are another issue. In the UAE you have not lost a series against any opponent. However, you lost two series to India and SAf and teams like Australia and New Zealand didn't even tour Pakistan then.
 
I disagree, even in the Inzi era we were winning all our series at home except the controversial 2004 test series vs India... I think that has more to do with dominance in home conditions.. teams have just gotten better at home. Except the dominant Aussie team that would whitewash any team they met in a test match. Remember Aussie whitewashing Srilanka 3-0 in their home conditions. They whitewashed Pakistan 2-0 in Srilanka in 2002
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] agreed coz i did watch that inzi series against englanad and that team which was badly struggling against the pace of shoab and spin of kaneria manged draw due to that time factor and pcb was sharp enough to arrange them in october november....the rest i havent watch but some matches against india were on dead tracks and the result was obvious....but the end of the story is this UAE tracks may give us false hopes by winning some matches there but we are getting nothing ...come out of the UAE and struggle everywhere,,we should play in srilanka or england..may be SA>>.bangladesh is an option ///
 
So many people here honestly believe that Pak would have gone on to be number 1 test side, (which they did by beating top test team on a turning track, which they wouldn't have found in Pakistan) if they were playing in Pakistan?
 
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