Has the IPL actually benefitted Indian team in any way?

[Rahul1]

I keep reading about this mythical 'positive impact' on Indian team. But i don't see any positives of it

1) We are still stuck with a well past it Dhoni in both Odis and T-20Is. And he is hands down one of the worst T-20 batsman of all time.

2) IPL has been around for a decade and no ipl find has yet managed to establish himself in the team.

3) In a decade of ipl, we are yet to find someone like Jos Buttler, who can start hitting from ball one.

4) Our batting after the top 3 is practically non-existent.

So where exactly are the benefits of the richest league in the world?

 

[Usman Chadda]

Are Unadkat, Sran, Siraj etc fast-forwarded thanks to IPL or these guys have some next level connections?

 

[Rahul1]

Are Unadkat, Sran, Siraj etc fast-forwarded thanks to IPL or these guys have some next level connections?

My theory is that ipl owners intentionally pick these trundlers so that there could be more and more high scoring games.

 

[Sam99]

Pandya, Bumrah, Chahal, Kuldeep, Jaddu & Ashwin in past & to some extent bhuvi are all finds of IPL.

 

[Rishta Aunty]

India's issues are down to a lack of bravery in promoting youngsters, not a lack of talent. That's the only reason an obviously past it Dhoni has been playing when he really should be retiring without sullying his legacy. In that sense, Pakistan have finally got a coach and captain combo in Mickey/Sarfaraz who are ready to give young talent a chance by throwing them in the deep end which is great to see. The PSL has given us an incredibly strong bench strength of talent we can push forward when someone fails too; it makes sure that people stop taking their positions for granted.

In terms of your question on who the IPL has given India, my understanding is that Pandya, Bumrah, Pandey, Washington, Chahal, Kuldeep and so on are all IPL products who got noticed in the league first. So I dunno what you're getting at to be honest.

 

[CadPakFan]

Are Unadkat, Sran, Siraj etc fast-forwarded thanks to IPL or these guys have some next level connections?

I thought these were the stars from the U-19 WC who were bowling 150 or 140kph?

 

[Sam99]

Since IPL has started you won't see players getting that easy debuts for india (specially batsman). In past we had player of 18-19 age (Rohit, Virat in recent past) who made debut at such young age but these days because so many players shine for year or two and trundle later that's why BCCI first let them play for 2 - 3 years then send them with India A team and then finally makes debut in indian side.

 

[backfootpunch]

I keep reading about this mythical 'positive impact' on Indian team. But i don't see any positives of it

1) We are still stuck with a well past it Dhoni in both Odis and T-20Is. And he is hands down one of the worst T-20 batsman of all time.

2) IPL has been around for a decade and no ipl find has yet managed to establish himself in the team.

3) In a decade of ipl, we are yet to find someone like Jos Buttler, who can start hitting from ball one.

4) Our batting after the top 3 is practically non-existent.

So where exactly are the benefits of the richest league in the world?

ICC tournament successes from 2011 WC and consistent appearance in semi finals is indicative that IPL has played it's part for Indian cricket in the following means:

1. Learning and integrating with top overseas players and coaches to aid their development.
2. Exposes them in packed stadiums, so that the younger or uncapped players to ease their transition in international cricket where the step up in pressure grows even further.
3. Fielding standards have risen massively since it's introduction.
4. Bowling standards have improved significantly - for e.g. Bumrah earned his recognition from his good spells of death bowling and B.Kumar's progress as bowler was due to his confidence from his bowling success in last year's IPL
5. It gives a platform to batsmen hone their skills particularly hitting ability against the some of the best bowlers in the world like Starc, Rashid Khan, Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah, K.Yadav and etc - as evident with Hardik Pandya who is India's current best lower order hitter in the team

I'm sure there's more factors that I've missed but I believe these are the main ones. India's ODI XI should be as follows:

Dhawan
Rohit/L.Rahul
Kohli (c)
Raina
D.Karthik (wk)
H.Pandya
K.Pandya
B.Kumar
Y.Chahal (or Shami) - depending on opposition and conditions
K.Yadav
Bumrah

India are currently making some mistakes with their selection as I feel the batting atm is top 3 heavy.

 

[Syed1]

We kept hearing about a guy smashing it in IPL, Surya Kumar, I think. He never made it to the Indian side. Maybe the fault doesn't lie with IPL but the selectors of the national side.

 

[Rahul1]

Pandya, Bumrah, Chahal, Kuldeep, Jaddu & Ashwin in past & to some extent bhuvi are all finds of IPL.

Kuldeep played in 2014 under 19 world cup. Jadeja played with Kohli in the 2008 under 19 world cup. Not Bhuvi either.

About Pandaya...We are still not sure if he is a batsman or a bowler or an all rounder.

So that leaves us with a grand total of 2 players in 10 years.

 

[Rahul1]

ICC tournament successes from 2011 WC and consistent appearance in semi finals is indicative that IPL has played it's part for Indian cricket in the following means:

1. Learning and integrating with top overseas players and coaches to aid their development.
2. Exposes them in packed stadiums, so that the younger or uncapped players to ease their transition in international cricket where the step up in pressure grows even further.
3. Fielding standards have risen massively since it's introduction.
4. Bowling standards have improved significantly - for e.g. Bumrah earned his recognition from his good spells of death bowling and B.Kumar's progress as bowler was due to his confidence from his bowling success in last year's IPL
5. It gives a platform to batsmen hone their skills particularly hitting ability against the some of the best bowlers in the world like Starc, Rashid Khan, Cummins, Rabada, Bumrah, K.Yadav and etc - as evident with Hardik Pandya who is India's current best lower order hitter in the team

I'm sure there's more factors that I've missed but I believe these are the main ones. India's ODI XI should be as follows:

Dhawan
Rohit/L.Rahul
Kohli (c)
Raina
D.Karthik (wk)
H.Pandya
K.Pandya
B.Kumar
Y.Chahal (or Shami) - depending on opposition and conditions
K.Yadav
Bumrah

India are currently making some mistakes with their selection as I feel the batting atm is top 3 heavy.

The same guy who can't hit against pacers?

 

[kuskash]

IPL can not help India the way PSL helps Pak, duh.

 

[RainMan_]

I keep reading about this mythical 'positive impact' on Indian team. But i don't see any positives of it

U have a wrong perception about the purpose of these t20 league crickets. The main purpose of these league cricket isn't producing raw talent. That's the job of school level, under 15, under 19 or domestic cricket leagues.

1) We are still stuck with a well past it Dhoni in both Odis and T-20Is. And he is hands down one of the worst T-20 batsman of all time.

India already has a better wicket keeper batsman than Dhoni in T20. If selectors don't show faith in him and select him consistently in T20s then it's not the fault of IPL.

2) IPL has been around for a decade and no ipl find has yet managed to establish himself in the team.

Actually a lot of Indian players who did well in IPL have been doing well in international cricket too. IPL has fast tracked many players into the indian national team, otherwise these same players would've had to wait for years to get a call in the national team. IPL has given them a great opportunity to come to the lime light fast.

4) Our batting after the top 3 is practically non-existent.

And why r u making IPL responsible for that?

So where exactly are the benefits of the richest league in the world?

The main benefit of IPL is it allows BCCI to generate a huge amount of money which later they use it to recruit high class international coaches in grass root level and pay handsome salaries to players in domestic cricket (otherwise many of these players would have opted a different career)

 

[DeadBall]

India have a better system at the grassroots level and thus do not totally rely on the IPL to discover talents ala Pakistan with the PSL. Having said that, the IPL franchises with promising players should follow the IU route and give the youngsters a chance.

 

[barah_admi]

I keep reading about this mythical 'positive impact' on Indian team. But i don't see any positives of it

1) We are still stuck with a well past it Dhoni in both Odis and T-20Is. And he is hands down one of the worst T-20 batsman of all time.

2) IPL has been around for a decade and no ipl find has yet managed to establish himself in the team.

3) In a decade of ipl, we are yet to find someone like Jos Buttler, who can start hitting from ball one.

4) Our batting after the top 3 is practically non-existent.

So where exactly are the benefits of the richest league in the world?

India went through a pretty bad patch in world T20s post 2007, the same time the IPL came into effect so it hasnt exactly helped them.

Has it negatively affected the team in limited overs? I can't say for sure but producing pitches and having sub par bowlers does not help the side, as those same batsmen can't go away from their comfort zone and score runs consistently, even in the modern environment of of flat pitches and small boundaries. Obvious exceptions being Kohli and Dhawan.

Having said that, from 07 on wards, the team has had some very good fielders and that improvement has a definite link to what I've seen in the IPL, so that is a positive, considering the Indian team once fielded probably 11 bad fielders.

 

[BreadPakoda]

A question for the OP.

India is currently the best team in the world if all formats are considered.

Has IPL played a role? Or is IPL responsible for only the wrong things that happen with Indian cricket?

 

[Sachin136]

The IPL is a major tournament like the Champion's Trophy. Its main purpose (like cricket as a whole) is to entertain viewers. It is no longer just a domestic league used for finding players.

 

[Rahul1]

A question for the OP.

India is currently the best team in the world if all formats are considered.

Has IPL played a role? Or is IPL responsible for only the wrong things that happen with Indian cricket?

Have you read the points made in the op or typed this just after reading the title?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Have you read the points made in the op or typed this just after reading the title?

Of course, I read your points. Collectively they make no sense.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Good posts by [MENTION=145370]Sam99[/MENTION], [MENTION=146746]Rishta Aunty[/MENTION] (as usual, top poster), [MENTION=143775]backfootpunch[/MENTION], [MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] and others. Lets see if the OP addresses your points. This topic has been rehashed several times and the points put forward in the replies are hardly ever addressed or acknowledged by certain posters. Smh

 

[rhony]

The advantages of IPL have been discussed to death on PP already. However, some of the posters raised good points. Indians have honed their skills in all departments through IPL. Pakistanis have found/discovered talent through PSL.

Indians should go the PSL way and play some of these U19 stars. Have been hearing about 145 kph 19 year olds and a gun U19 batsman Gill in KKR. They keep playing trundler Vinay Kumar instead.

As far as PSL honing the skills of Pakistani players, I see fielding has definitely improved. They need a few more seasons to substantially claim if PSL improved their batting or bowling skills.

 

[Send1983]

I see similarities between your OP and Veera Bhagu's post about IPL.

the way you are whinging, our team must be one of the worst teams in the world. Dude we have the best team in the world considering all the format. Like someone mentioned about, we have been in semi's or finals in all the ICC tournaments since 2011 and won WC and CT in the last 7 years. Stop crying and enjoy the local talented players which are on display in this great tournament. enjoyed every single game of it so far.

 

[PakSarZameen]

The IPL is a major tournament like the Champion's Trophy. Its main purpose (like cricket as a whole) is to entertain viewers. It is no longer just a domestic league used for finding players.

I like this point. PSL is a league where every year the focus is on new young rookies like Shadab. IPL is a global league where the focus is to deliver quality entertaining cricket. They are two different leagues.

Secondly, Pakistan is (or was) a desperate side and therefore they would select just about anybody half good. India is a settled side and would never select raw talents.

 

[MMHS]

I keep reading about this mythical 'positive impact' on Indian team. But i don't see any positives of it

1) We are still stuck with a well past it Dhoni in both Odis and T-20Is. And he is hands down one of the worst T-20 batsman of all time.

2) IPL has been around for a decade and no ipl find has yet managed to establish himself in the team.

3) In a decade of ipl, we are yet to find someone like Jos Buttler, who can start hitting from ball one.

4) Our batting after the top 3 is practically non-existent.

So where exactly are the benefits of the richest league in the world?

I don’t think expecting PLs & SLs to unleash young talent or developing players is wise call. T20s are not to develop player, and billion dollar franchise are not drafting ground for youngsters. Even in soccer, top clubs don’t play kids (unless you are like Messi, CR, Rooney, SG... ) - they loan them to lower clubs/division/leagues for few seasons to develop. Cricket is more complex - it’s learned & developed from longer format. In that regard, make an IPL team with U19 WC winning team - couple of years time most of them will loose their Ranji spot.

IPLs biggest contribution is that, it has given BCCI muscle in terms of financials, in terms of lobby and in terms of technical expertise (like top coaches, physio, trainers are now in Indian leagues). The input will be IPL money into domestic cricket. It’s like a combined business model - IPL is the showroom/retail channel that brings money (sales), FC system is the factory. If you do separate business case without context, then everyone will say close the expensive factories and keep in showrooms only .....

In terms of out put IND is ranked 1 in Test & ODI, has won a WC & CT since IPL, so it must have its contribution. In contradt PAK reached to No. 9 at one point, now 7th in Test out of 5 serious Test teams, while ranked 1 in T20 - so PSL indeed has its contribution as well and PAK posters are happy for PSL’s contribution. And, they should be - for 5 years career of 42/110 stats in domestics couldn’t do what a slogged 100 in PSL did for Sharjeel .....

And, I am also happy that around 60 BD cricketers are getting at lest extra $25K/year from black money through BPL.

It’s Andaz Apna Apna - success is what you define & which way you like to see it.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Why is the OP focused on Jos Buttler? lol... India has found many players recently.

India has finally found a potential good all rounder in Hardik Pandya.
India has found a very good leg spinner in Chahal
India has found a good off spinner who is unafraid of bowling in powerplays in Washington Sundar.
India has found a classy chinaman called Kuldeep Yadav
India found a good death bowler in Bumrah.
There is another Pandya brother yet to be given a chance.

Teh IPL has also helped Indian cricket be ensuring Ishant Sharma and Sreeshanth dont ever play for Indian T20 and ODI teams. That should be considered as premier take-aways from the tournament.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Why is the OP focused on Jos Buttler? lol... India has found many players recently.

India has finally found a potential good all rounder in Hardik Pandya.
India has found a very good leg spinner in Chahal
India has found a good off spinner who is unafraid of bowling in powerplays in Washington Sundar.
India has found a classy chinaman called Kuldeep Yadav
India found a good death bowler in Bumrah.
There is another Pandya brother yet to be given a chance.

Teh IPL has also helped Indian cricket be ensuring Ishant Sharma and Sreeshanth dont ever play for Indian T20 and ODI teams. That should be considered as premier take-aways from the tournament.

This will fall on deaf ears.

 

[Send1983]

Why is the OP focused on Jos Buttler? lol... India has found many players recently.

India has finally found a potential good all rounder in Hardik Pandya.
India has found a very good leg spinner in Chahal
India has found a good off spinner who is unafraid of bowling in powerplays in Washington Sundar.
India has found a classy chinaman called Kuldeep Yadav
India found a good death bowler in Bumrah.
There is another Pandya brother yet to be given a chance.

Teh IPL has also helped Indian cricket be ensuring Ishant Sharma and Sreeshanth dont ever play for Indian T20 and ODI teams. That should be considered as premier take-aways from the tournament.

You could have removed chahAl tho. I hate him. He is slightly overrated. Yes he did well for RCB last few seasons. Nothing special tho.

Overall very good points.

 

[Srtfan]

We are good hard hitter in ipl like nitish rana,ishan,S yadav,hudda,mandip,k pandya ,pant ,Samson,rahul tripathi,but our selector busy with past dhoni yuvi raina manish and Rahane.its not ipl fault,our selector still thinking dhoni can win wc

 

[Srtfan]

Sorry- we have

 

[Smbhayi]

Indian team once fielded probably 11 bad fielders.

India never fielded 11 fielders together. And from Yuvi Kaif time India becomes good fielding team.

 

[squarecut]

The purpose of IPL is not what the OP thinks or believes. The purpose of IPL is to make money, and loads of it.

The business model is to attract Indian TV viewers at primetime (evening and night time) who were otherwise watching TV serials. This is being done by packaging IPL matches like soap opera- using cheergirls, dumb looking but pretty female anchors etc.

The players chosen by the teams are either established stars or promising youngsters. Promising youngsters are expected to learn and improve on the job. Some of them have actually done that. There have been a few finds from IPL who have graduated into BCCI national teams, but that is not the prime purpose of IPL.

There is a domestic cricket set up for that which is separate from IPL set up. And the domestic set up is well run and organised.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The advantages of IPL have been discussed to death on PP already. However, some of the posters raised good points. Indians have honed their skills in all departments through IPL. Pakistanis have found/discovered talent through PSL.

Indians should go the PSL way and play some of these U19 stars. Have been hearing about 145 kph 19 year olds and a gun U19 batsman Gill in KKR. They keep playing trundler Vinay Kumar instead.

As far as PSL honing the skills of Pakistani players, I see fielding has definitely improved. They need a few more seasons to substantially claim if PSL improved their batting or bowling skills.

I've said this a gazillion times.

The reason IPL is so big and worked for us (and why PSL has worked for you guys despite what the posters here want); IPL HAS VALUE FOR IT'S OWN SAKE.

This is not a training program or development camp. The teams will play the best players even if posters think they are too young, or too old or whatever because the primary goal is to win.

For the best players to rise, this motivation is more than enough, because if any player is good enough teams will pick him, and it also weeds out incompetents who keep getting chances in worse systems

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The purpose of IPL is not what the OP thinks or believes. The purpose of IPL is to make money, and loads of it.

The business model is to attract Indian TV viewers at primetime (evening and night time) who were otherwise watching TV serials. This is being done by packaging IPL matches like soap opera- using cheergirls, dumb looking but pretty female anchors etc.

The players chosen by the teams are either established stars or promising youngsters. Promising youngsters are expected to learn and improve on the job. Some of them have actually done that. There have been a few finds from IPL who have graduated into BCCI national teams, but that is not the prime purpose of IPL.

There is a domestic cricket set up for that which is separate from IPL set up. And the domestic set up is well run and organised.

Prime purpose from owner perspective is to actually win.

BCCI is doing this to 'make money' if you are cynical; but more realistically it is giving its customers exactly what we want to watch. And people are not watching because of anchors or dancing girls; India is not that starved of entertainment or pretty girls. People watch because they love cricket and the inter-city competition.

 

[backfootpunch]

The same guy who can't hit against pacers?

He's done it in IPL on numerous occasions. Lets see what he can do in this year's IPL and he also have another one next year prior to the WC to enhance his skills.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Have been asking this same question for the past 10 years but Pyjama League fans are quick to call me a traitor, parosi, etc etc. They can't even name 10 players who were found by IPL and made their names in Intl cricket. All we hear from them is how this and that player got improved after playing in IPL as if they wouldn't have done anything to improve if there was no IPL lol.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Fans take Pandya's name as if he has set the world on fire and is the second coming of Imran Khan. He is just a good fielder, an average bowler and an under performing batsman. If Sanjay Bangar had got as many chances as Pandya is getting he would have done the same too.

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Has the IPL helped the indian team-yes.

Has it helped as much as a league of it's stature should have?-no

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Has the IPL helped the indian team-yes.

Has it helped as much as a league of it's stature should have?-no

According to the league's stature we should have won all the T20 WCs and become the number ranked T20 team. But it seems indian players playing in IPL are mediocre and get exposed pretty badly when they play against the real teams.

 

[babajee]

He's done it in IPL on numerous occasions. Lets see what he can do in this year's IPL and he also have another one next year prior to the WC to enhance his skills.

Yeah well it’s not hard to hit the pacers in a league where Vinay Kumars and Ashok Dindas are the strike bowlers

 

[WengerOut]

Yeah well it’s not hard to hit the pacers in a league where Vinay Kumars and Ashok Dindas are the strike bowlers

What about Pat Cummins ? Easy?

 

[babajee]

What about Pat Cummins ? Easy?

Has Pandya hit him for 6 ?

 

[WengerOut]

Has Pandya hit him for 6 ?

Infact a couple of them in an over IIRC

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

According to the league's stature we should have won all the T20 WCs and become the number ranked T20 team. But it seems indian players playing in IPL are mediocre and get exposed pretty badly when they play against the real teams.

Not only that, they should be number one by a considerable margin in all formats and should be the favorites going into every series they play across formats. They are a good team in all formats but certainly not the undisputed best.

 

[babajee]

Infact a couple of them in an over IIRC

Flukey top edges or what?

 

[WengerOut]

Flukey top edges or what?

Not Fakhar Zaman dude , Pandya. I am talking about Hardik Pandya.

 

[babajee]

Not Fakhar Zaman dude , Pandya. I am talking about Hardik Pandya.

Ok

 

[RamLakhan]

IPL is for making money primarily (both board and players). Still lots of players got selected from their performance in IPL (Chahal, Bumrah, Pandya, etc).

 

[UN talkz]

This is not a place to discuss Hardik Pandya vs Faheem Ashraf; so stay on topic

 

[barah_admi]

India never fielded 11 fielders together. And from Yuvi Kaif time India becomes good fielding team.

Yuvi used to walk around with a pot belly, Sehwag had an accountant's physique and I could go on. They were a bad fielding side until probably 04/05 when they started to get better but they didn't become a world class fielding side until 09/10, when the younger, fitter, slimmer guys started to work their way in. By about 2015, they were probably Asia's best fielding side (Pak are on par if not better these days) BUT all of that has to do with improved fitness within the IPL.

 

[ravisurya]

IPL is a domestic t20 league akin to Ranji trophy or dileep trophy with the difference being the overseas pros. IPL is one of the platforms for local talent to develop at the same time it is not the only platform like its being made out.

What IPL has done is produce a lot of revenue for the BCCI because of which the funding for grass roots cricket has increased many folds which will produce the future cricketers.

Talking about dominating a certain format, t20 format is such that no one team will ever dominate the format and also, most international teams don’t take t20i outside of the World Cup seriously.

 

[rhony]

I've said this a gazillion times.

The reason IPL is so big and worked for us (and why PSL has worked for you guys despite what the posters here want); IPL HAS VALUE FOR IT'S OWN SAKE.

This is not a training program or development camp. The teams will play the best players even if posters think they are too young, or too old or whatever because the primary goal is to win.

For the best players to rise, this motivation is more than enough, because if any player is good enough teams will pick him, and it also weeds out incompetents who keep getting chances in worse systems

In which system is Vinay Kumar a winner?

 

[jagatk]

In which system is Vinay Kumar a winner?

He wins games for the opponent something single handedly.

 

[sshakir411]

The reason IPL exists is for the pocket book of Indian cricket. Anything else is a plus.

 

[Rahul1]

Why is the OP focused on Jos Buttler? lol... India has found many players recently.

India has finally found a potential good all rounder in Hardik Pandya.
India has found a very good leg spinner in Chahal
India has found a good off spinner who is unafraid of bowling in powerplays in Washington Sundar.
India has found a classy chinaman called Kuldeep Yadav
India found a good death bowler in Bumrah.
There is another Pandya brother yet to be given a chance.

Teh IPL has also helped Indian cricket be ensuring Ishant Sharma and Sreeshanth dont ever play for Indian T20 and ODI teams. That should be considered as premier take-aways from the tournament.

Because Jos Buttler is the best finisher in the world right now.

Washington Sundar? Has he even played any kind of international cricket? The over hyping.

Kuldeep was NOT discovered during ipl.

 

[Hasan123]

IPL doesn't make players. That's what Indian domestic structure does. IPL just ensures players are financially stable and get to learn how to deal with pressure.

 

[Saj]

Bumrah if I remember correctly is a product by and large of the IPL?

 

[cricketindiafan]

Ravindra Jadeja, Bumrah, Chahal, Kuldeep, Sundar, Manish Pandey, all came into prominence due to IPL. Bhuvi made his resurgence after 2014 via IPL, Dhawan forced his way into the national side through IPL.

A tournament that was supposed to give us hard hitting batsmen has ended up producing more international bowlers for us. Maybe because competition for batsmen in Indian team is way more tiugher than that for bowlers