Has the ongoing England vs India series been a PR disaster for Jasprit Bumrah?

[Wasim Ghulam]

Rabada is the greatest test bowler of this era with Starc being the greatest alll format bowler + greatest pink ball bowler.

Rabada is 30 and Closing in on 400.. He remains fit , which he will because he is not dodgy like Bumrah who has to do Gymnastics in run up to crease , He will end up 450 plus

 

[RexRex]

I love it when indians use fancy words such as premise to sound smarter when in reality they have dont even have the courage to admit that they are cheaters

^ Today I learned that 'premise' is too complicated a word for momin's tiny brain.

 

[mominsaigol]

Rabada is 30 and Closing in on 400.. He remains fit , which he will because he is not dodgy like Bumrah who has to do Gymnastics in run up to crease , He will end up 450 plus

He will have more wickets at a good avg + great country performance then Bumrah ever will.

Longetivity matters as a bowler. It is the no 1 metric. Its why I dont rate Garner in test.

I remember when I came on PP in 2023 and back then I got scrutinised for rating Garner by Indians. Now indians are changing the narrative cause Bumrah is reaching that no. I still have ss lol.

The reason why Garner is rated for me is because he's a gun odi bowler and I feel like that gets translated into test. But Garner in test had an all star bowling attack that carried him.

Without them he'd be below Starc in avg.

However in odi he was a monster. He is very underrated because in odi he actually juat as good as Mcgrath is. Possibly better even. Freak odi bowler.

But if people view Garner as a legend i dont mind since he wasnt a stat padding fraud, his wickets always led to victory. His 5 wicket hauls deapite 0 10 fers always led to wins as he was known for getting wickets of the big bois and not tailenders.

Couple that with his freak odi performance i can see why he is rated highly.

But Bumrah doesnt even have that. Indians desperately give him credit for 2024 when his over didnt dent SA much.

What dented South Africa was Pandya getting klaseen.

Ironically Pandya has been the biggest match winner for india in Odi's and T20's after kphli since he gets key wickets with bumrah stat padding.

Indians have gotten their heroes mixed up due to wanting to rewrite history.

I bet many of them weren't even born in that era. All these boys lying about their age. Their all 18-25 max i presume.

 

[mominsaigol]

^ Today I learned that 'premise' is too complicated a word for momin's tiny brain.

"Ah yes, the tragically ironic byproduct of your inflated self-regard — mistaking verbosity for intellect while failing to recognize that my so-called 'tiny little brain' possesses the cognitive elasticity to deconstruct your banal attempts at wit with surgical linguistic precision. Kindly recalibrate your rhetoric before engaging with someone whose lexical arsenal far exceeds the epistemic depth of your shallow quips."

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Bumrah Has played 8 matches in SA.. has 3 Fifers
Wasim played 2 matches in his entire career in SA

This more fifer theory in SENA is as dumb as it can get

Bro this was a retort to people saying he doesn’t win matches.

He has the highest number of 5fers in wins in SENA and that means the above accusation is misplaced.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

There is no cherry that can be compared across eras and we can't blame individual bowlers if they bowl well but the rest of the team fails to deliver. Now suddenly match winning performance abroad becomes secondary to average, when some other comparisons are made then you guys will find a way to bring in total number of wickets.

The conversation is getting spicy because many Indian posters are suddenly rewriting history. The Pakistani bowlers that you guys idolised and put on a pedestal are now being subjected to slanderous accusations at the drop of a hat. This is a common tactic used by Indians when it comes to historical topics.

If you want to go back in time and make the silly comments you have about tampering and bottle tops, do you think Bumrah would have been allowed to play international cricket back then? He would have been selling popadoms outside the stadium with an action like he has.

Do you think back in those days he would be a pampered prince who could sit out as many test matches as he wants in the tough conditions of Asia to keep him nimble for bowler-friendly SENA tours?

Of course not. So don't resort to denigrating older players to try to pump the status of the current darling of India.

First of all it began with some posters saying that Bumrah doesn’t win matches which I proved to be wrong with my 5fer in sena wins argument.

Secondly Bumrah doesn’t chuck and no relevant current or ex player has ever accused him of that so there is absolutely no reason to believe that.

Lol, he sat out one test match, we don’t want to risk his career like what Nz did with Bond and that’s why the rotation policy is being used now. Wasim Akram sat out of a QF, still no one removed him from Pak team.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rabada is 30 and Closing in on 400.. He remains fit , which he will because he is not dodgy like Bumrah who has to do Gymnastics in run up to crease , He will end up 450 plus

How does that matter?
First of all Rabada is as far from 400 as Bumrah is from 300.

Secondly Walsh has 550 wkt, Akram and Khan have 430 and 320 respectively, does that make Walsh better than both?

Another argument which belongs in the bin.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

He will have more wickets at a good avg + great country performance then Bumrah ever will.

Longetivity matters as a bowler. It is the no 1 metric. Its why I dont rate Garner in test.

I remember when I came on PP in 2023 and back then I got scrutinised for rating Garner by Indians. Now indians are changing the narrative cause Bumrah is reaching that no. I still have ss lol.

The reason why Garner is rated for me is because he's a gun odi bowler and I feel like that gets translated into test. But Garner in test had an all star bowling attack that carried him.

Without them he'd be below Starc in avg.

However in odi he was a monster. He is very underrated because in odi he actually juat as good as Mcgrath is. Possibly better even. Freak odi bowler.

But if people view Garner as a legend i dont mind since he wasnt a stat padding fraud, his wickets always led to victory. His 5 wicket hauls deapite 0 10 fers always led to wins as he was known for getting wickets of the big bois and not tailenders.

Couple that with his freak odi performance i can see why he is rated highly.

But Bumrah doesnt even have that. Indians desperately give him credit for 2024 when his over didnt dent SA much.

What dented South Africa was Pandya getting klaseen.

Ironically Pandya has been the biggest match winner for india in Odi's and T20's after kphli since he gets key wickets with bumrah stat padding.

Indians have gotten their heroes mixed up due to wanting to rewrite history.

I bet many of them weren't even born in that era. All these boys lying about their age. Their all 18-25 max i presume.

How you rate Garner is just your opinion, what matters is how cricket world sees Holding and Garner and the fact is they hail them as All time greats and so is Bumrah.

There is absolutely no comparison between Bumrah and Starc in tests, Bumrah is galaxies ahead.

If you are talking abiut achievements like ICC trophies then Starc is bigger than the whole history of Pakistan Cricket team cos he has won more trophies.

 

[mominsaigol]

How you rate Garner is just your opinion, what matters is how cricket world sees Holding and Garner and the fact is they hail them as All time greats and so is Bumrah.

There is absolutely no comparison between Bumrah and Starc in tests, Bumrah is galaxies ahead.

If you are talking abiut achievements like ICC trophies then Starc is bigger than the whole history of Pakistan Cricket team cos he has won more trophies.

Starc is bigger then Pakistan, I have zero issues with that.

Stop brining Pakistan into everything. Sick of your racism.

As for how people view. Its an argument of popularity fallacy. At one point the planet viewed the world as flat. It was popular opinion.

But guess what they were wrong.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Starc is bigger then Pakistan, I have zero issues with that.

Stop brining Pakistan into everything. Sick of your racism.

As for how people view. Its an argument of popularity fallacy. At one point the planet viewed the world as flat. It was popular opinion.

But guess what they were wrong.

There is no racism here, Pakistan and Indian people are of the same race.

If you believe in things like Starc being bigger than Pakistan than there is no point of arguing. Wasim Akrams is thrice the bowler Starc will ever be.

 

[mominsaigol]

There is no racism here, Pakistan and Indian people are of the same race.

If you believe in things like Starc being bigger than Pakistan than there is no point of arguing. Wasim Akrams is thrice the bowler Starc will ever be.

There is no racism here, Pakistan and Indian people are of the same race.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAGAHAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGGAAGAHAHAHAHAH.

Don't lump me in with you, i am a unique breed that you can't possibly Fanthom or understand.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

There is no racism here, Pakistan and Indian people are of the same race.

HAHAHAHAHAAHAGAHAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGAGGAAGAHAHAHAHAH.

Don't lump me in with you, i am a unique breed that you can't possibly Fanthom or understand.

Yeah now this is Racist.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah now this is Racist.

You bring in pakistan and bamgladesh into everything, I am a neutral fan who enjoys cricket.

But I have stopped being neutral to Indian cricket cause you idiots are annoying. The gang should be banned for constantly violating forumn policy.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

How does that matter?
First of all Rabada is as far from 400 as Bumrah is from 300.

Secondly Walsh has 550 wkt, Akram and Khan have 430 and 320 respectively, does that make Walsh better than both?

Another argument which belongs in the bin.

reason of mentioning Rabada was to discuss that even few bowlers from current era are better than Bumrah let alone past legends.
Rabada now has WTC as well along with big number of wickets in test cricket. He will last longer than Bumrah by the looks of it. If you dnt understand the post , its not necessary you have to reply to it without any counter argument

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Bro this was a retort to people saying he doesn’t win matches.

He has the highest number of 5fers in wins in SENA and that means the above accusation is misplaced.

highest of number of fifers in wins in SENA or highest fifers in SENA , what difference does it make? He has already played more games. thats the point

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

reason of mentioning Rabada was to discuss that even few bowlers from current era are better than Bumrah let alone past legends.
Rabada now has WTC as well along with big number of wickets in test cricket. He will last longer than Bumrah by the looks of it. If you dnt understand the post , its not necessary you have to reply to it without any counter argument

I did understand your post and that’s why i gave you Walshs example, just because Rabada has more wicket doesn’t make him better than Bumrah.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

I did understand your post and that’s why i gave you Walshs example, just because Rabada has more wicket doesn’t make him better than Bumrah.

what makes Bumrah better then ? average?

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

highest of number of fifers in wins in SENA or highest fifers in SENA , what difference does it make? He has already played more games. thats the point

Played the same number of matches as Wasim ,4-5 innings over a sample of 30 tests don’t really make much difference.

If was non impactful he wouldn’t have more 5fers than Imran and Wasim. Secondly his wicket per innings and averages are also better than both the pak legends, not sure what you are on about.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

what makes Bumrah better then ? average?

The same thing that makes Akram better than Walsh despite him taking less wkts.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Played the same number of matches as Wasim ,4-5 innings over a sample of 30 tests don’t really make much difference.

If was non impactful he wouldn’t have more 5fers than Imran and Wasim. Secondly his wicket per innings and averages are also better than both the pak legends, not sure what you are on about.

so Bumrah has 3 Fifers in SA.. in 15 Innings.. 2 of those came in 2022 and 2024 when Bumrah had laready surpassed wasim’s Game tally in SA..
one Fifer India did nt win
One Fifer India won Dead Rubber and he was nt even player of the match
Last fifer in Cape town , Siraj Out bowled him with better figures which tells you it was nt Bumrah special

what are you on about?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

The same thing that makes Akram better than Walsh despite him taking less wkts.

whats the Same thing? Bumrah just lost 2 Games where he failed to defend 350 plus in Eng ( Twice now ) and Failed to continue his spell when Eng’s Best Bat came to crease

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

The same thing that makes Akram better than Walsh despite him taking less wkts.

Kagiso Rabada is the Guy that won SA its first ICC title in 27 years.

Fifer in first innings and Four in Second. In fact when Aus was running away with Game in Second Innings 28/0 with lead above 100 , he triggered Aussie collapse with two wickets in 2 balls .. Thats where SA made a comeback.. it was all Aus until that point. Later he broke the resistance too with Carey’s wicket. He should have been MOM.. on other than hand our Generational Talent Bumrah could nt dismiss Williamson and Taylor

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kagiso Rabada is the Guy that won SA its first ICC title in 27 years.

Fifer in first innings and Four in Second. In fact when Aus was running away with Game in Second Innings 28/0 with lead above 100 , he triggered Aussie collapse with two wickets in 2 balls .. Thats where SA made a comeback.. it was all Aus until that point. Later he broke the resistance too with Carey’s wicket. He should have been MOM.. on other than hand our Generational Talent Bumrah could nt dismiss Williamson and Taylor

What does it have to do with him being a less versatile bowler than Bumrah. When we look at stats we see the whole picture not one game.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

whats the Same thing? Bumrah just lost 2 Games where he failed to defend 350 plus in Eng ( Twice now ) and Failed to continue his spell when Eng’s Best Bat came to crease

Irrelevant. All bowlers have had such games.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

so Bumrah has 3 Fifers in SA.. in 15 Innings.. 2 of those came in 2022 and 2024 when Bumrah had laready surpassed wasim’s Game tally in SA..
one Fifer India did nt win
One Fifer India won Dead Rubber and he was nt even player of the match
Last fifer in Cape town , Siraj Out bowled him with better figures which tells you it was nt Bumrah special

what are you on about?

What has his fifer in SA got to do with it?

He has 5 fers in wins in SENA and thats more than any Asian bowler despite him playing similar matches as Khan and Akram.

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

What has his fifer in SA got to do with it?

He has 5 fers in wins in SENA and thats more than any Asian bowler despite him playing similar matches as Khan and Akram.

more fifers in Wins is not a conventional and established stat to judge legacy of bowlers , . Indians have just made it up . Bumrah has more fifers in SENA , thats what i have been hearing. His fifer in SA adds to tally of Fifers in SENA and then presented as a exclusive stat that makes him better. the fact that he is able to take more fifers in SENA is because he plays more games in SENA .. win or loss does nt matter.. this stat does nt win him ATG title

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Irrelevant. All bowlers have had such games.

nope , ATGs did nt concede 350 chase in 4th innings twice against same opposition in space of three years. Pak lost only one Game defending 350 plus and that too was Bad umpiring and admitted by langer on Tv that he knicked to Wasim Akram

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

What does it have to do with him being a less versatile bowler than Bumrah. When we look at stats we see the whole picture not one game.

you tell me whats the whole picture? how is Bumrah better test bowler than Rabada? im not considering all format

 

[DRsohail]

He is a great bowler, but he goes missing on crucial occasions, which hurts the team.

 

[RexRex]

"Ah yes, the tragically ironic byproduct of your inflated self-regard — mistaking verbosity for intellect while failing to recognize that my so-called 'tiny little brain' possesses the cognitive elasticity to deconstruct your banal attempts at wit with surgical linguistic precision. Kindly recalibrate your rhetoric before engaging with someone whose lexical arsenal far exceeds the epistemic depth of your shallow quips."

Impressive.

You've finally learnt how to use ChatGPT to polish your language. Give yourself a pat on the back.

 

[mominsaigol]

Impressive.

You've finally learnt how to use ChatGPT to polish your language. Give yourself a pat on the back.

ChatGPT? This is Deepseek

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Bumrah has more SENA 5 FERS IN wins than any other Asian bowler

I think you have your tombstone label figured out

 

[mominsaigol]

I love how indians responded to OP talking about PR disaster with he has 5 fer in sena

 

[RidiculousMan]

I love how indians responded to OP talking about PR disaster with he has 5 fer in sena

Why Bumrah doesn't have most fifers in Asia? Does it prove that he's a one trick pony?

 

[Golu-momin]

Bumrah is nightmare for pakistani fans
Bumrah>>all Pakistani bowlers combined
Bumrah>>>Mcgrath
Bumrah=Malcom marshall

 

[Devadwal]

Brian Lara rates Jasprit Bumrah as the GOAT.

Another humiliation for Wannabe and delusional fans.

 

[BouncerGuy]

NO PERSONAL REMARKS PLEASE

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Bro he did bowl out Rizwan in the T20 wc recently

Especially when Pakistan were looking good to win.

Unlucky for Rizwan. 99 out of 100 times Rizwan would have tonked that for 6. It is a bit of a shame that that is the only ICC Trophy he has won and no big test series to speak of.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Brian Lara rates Jasprit Bumrah as the GOAT.

Another humiliation for Wannabe and delusional fans.

Fake news.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

Rabada is the greatest test bowler of this era with Starc being the greatest alll format bowler + greatest pink ball bowler.

Bro I never doubt your astounding analysis but how can Rabada be GOAT when he averages 44 in India and 39.4 in Pakistan