The Jasprit Bumrah workload myth: Is opting out of the 2nd Test against England justified?

[mominsaigol]

This mentality is the reason why you haven't had a single fast bowler crossing 200 wickets for so long.

If Sohaib was in India he and his injuries would have been managed way better and he would have a longer career. Prevention of injuries is as much required for managing a players career as management after injury.

We treat our bowlers well like human beings. You guys make them stars when they are in teens and then treat them like donkeys and run them to ground. No wonder so many take the wrong route or go to drugs or are just run into the ground like Shaheen.

If any of your teen sensation were handled like bumrah they would have long, wonderful careers.

If Sohaib was in India he and his injuries would have been managed way better and he would have a longer career. Prevention of injuries is as much required for managing a players career as management after injury.
We treat our bowlers well like human beings. You guys make them stars when they are in teens and then treat them like donkeys and run them to ground. No wonder so many take the wrong route or go to drugs or are just run into the ground like Shaheen.

Hogwash, Bumrah hardly plays test, has literally only played 48 tests yet he mr huff and puff cant even bowl at 130 clicks if he is to play 2 back to back tests.

he was throwing half volleys and bowling at 120KPH. You can hide behind the flat track pitch nonsense all you like, it doesnt change the fact that he has been a circus clown against the top order including the 3rd test which was a spicy pitch.

If you knew how to handle your bowlers well, then you wouldnt have ran him into the ground in BGT. The whole world including India was begging to rest him since it was clear what 5 tests were doing to his body.

And how many injuries have India suffered this series compared to England? Human beings my foot, india is more injury prone then professional squash players lol.

 

[James]

Are you seriously questioning the credentials of someone who takes a 5-fer almost every 3 match in tests? I thought you were supposed to be a test fan?

How often do England play Archer and Wood in tests? How often have they played all 5 match in a series? Every country manages their fast bowlers.

A test fan should know better.

He is a good bowler, and very good at times, but he is made of glass mate. Totally unreliable.

It would all be ok if he wasn’t widely hailed and held up as the Goat. IMO the Goat bowler (whoever that is) needs to have at least some reliability and longevity.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

How on earth can a bowler stat pad? You make less and less sense as the day goes by.

If Sohaib had sake numbers as bumrah he would be considered one of the greatest.

habibi just look at his stats in this series against tailenders and capabable batters

70% against tailenders and only 30% for batters

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

This mentality is the reason why you haven't had a single fast bowler crossing 200 wickets for so long.

If Sohaib was in India he and his injuries would have been managed way better and he would have a longer career. Prevention of injuries is as much required for managing a players career as management after injury.

We treat our bowlers well like human beings. You guys make them stars when they are in teens and then treat them like donkeys and run them to ground. No wonder so many take the wrong route or go to drugs or are just run into the ground like Shaheen.

If any of your teen sensation were handled like bumrah they would have long, wonderful careers.

this is exactly what point I was making in my post but Bumrah still with very good doctors slacking.

And don't start with "we treat our bowlers like Human beings" why isn't Siraj getting breaks? what about his workload?

forget indian bowlers, compare bumrah to cummins, starc, rabada, Taskin, Mustafizur etc. playing today.....No excuse...Bumrah is fragile

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Shoaib is overrated and if people wish to crap on Akhtar I dont mind. But if the same people who crap on Akhtar due to injury yet support this stat padding clown who freqently helps India lose game a gold medal , then they are hypocrites.

Then again reading comments from the ghambir thread and wcl thread I am not surprised.

Shoaib wasn't overrated he was under-utilized by the PCB.

Every single batter of his era was afraid of him. He could've achieved a lot more if he also didn't have his brain fart moments.

But saying overrated nah mate, Him Brett Bond were a piece of Art that is rare to find.

 

[TheSultan]

Yup Bumrah is fragile and weak, I feel sorry for the Bichara. His body is not built for fast bowling especially with such a pathetic action

 

[Technics 1210]

He is a good bowler, and very good at times, but he is made of glass mate. Totally unreliable.

It would all be ok if he wasn’t widely hailed and held up as the Goat. IMO the Goat bowler (whoever that is) needs to have at least some reliability and longevity.

On a serious note I think Bumrah's pathetic reliability as a Test bowler stems out of the fact Bhumrah is a product of the IPL. He is used to 4 over bursts, followed by dancing IPL cheer leaders, meaning the guy also has the attention span of a TikToker.

Had Bumrah ranked through the proper academies at a young age etc, he'd have the Stamina, endurance, and tenacity baked into him as a Test bowler.

Made In India - Buy in India - Use in India - Test bowler.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Having parallel systems for different players usually ends in bitterness and resentment. How will the more donkey bowlers feel after being asked to bowl on phattas while Bumrah is given green tracks and allowed to pick and chose when he plays? For example imagine Kamboj breaks his back in Asia but is asked to step aside for Bumrah if the Indians make the WTC final?

This can only work when you have lots of players being rotated, or, a brilliant man manager as coach.

 

[mominsaigol]

The greatest bowler of this generation is Mitchell Starc.

Stats aren't everything, this man has won 2 odi cups, 1 t20 and 1 test wtc for Australia while Bumrah was a part of 1 t20 world cup where his impact is questionable as pandya got klaseen ans sky took an almost impossible catch to win.

Bumrah didnt impact as much as people believed. None of his performances ever come close to Starc in 2015 wc.

Not to mention Bumrah botching 2017 fakhar zaman's wicket and getting spanked by Travis Head in 2023 final.

Starc has more wickets, more tournament wins and more test dominance with only india win at home den on spin dustbowls being his single negative black mark.

 

[Ice Man]

The greatest bowler of this generation is Mitchell Starc.

Stats aren't everything, this man has won 2 odi cups, 1 t20 and 1 test wtc for Australia while Bumrah was a part of 1 t20 world cup where his impact is questionable as pandya got klaseen ans sky took an almost impossible catch to win.

Bumrah didnt impact as much as people believed. None of his performances ever come close to Starc in 2015 wc.

Not to mention Bumrah botching 2017 fakhar zaman's wicket and getting spanked by Travis Head in 2023 final.

Starc has more wickets, more tournament wins and more test dominance with only india win at home den on spin dustbowls being his single negative black mark.

Also, he has the highest wickets taken in the history of ICC finals.

 

[mominsaigol]

Also, he has the highest wickets taken in the history of ICC finals.

Problem with bumrah is stats. For example he avg 26 this series until you take a took of at this and calculate the mean. You find out why he averages 26

 

[Ice Man]

Problem with bumrah is stats. For example he avg 26 this series until you take a took of at this and calculate the mean. You find out why he averages 26

Brother, I quoted your post in regards to Starc, so not sure how Bumrah's stats came up in my quoted post

 

[mominsaigol]

Brother, I quoted your post in regards to Starc, so not sure how Bumrah's stats came up in my quoted post

Naw I accidentally pasted it in your quotes .

My bad

 

[Romali_rotti]

habibi just look at his stats in this series against tailenders and capabable batters

70% against tailenders and only 30% for batters

Yeah but haboobi this series is not a regular occurrence.

"Sixty-four of Bumrah's first 200 wickets were of top three batters. He has dismissed openers 50 times (25%) and the number three 14 times (7%). Number four is often the most reputed batter in the team and Bumrah has dismissed the No. 4 30 times (15%). Bumrah's percentage of top-four wickets (47%) is the seventh best overall and the best for India"

Bumrah gets to 200 wickets with the best average in Test cricket

No bowler before Jasprit Bumrah has got to 200 wickets with an average of less than 20 | ESPN.com.au

www.espn.com.au

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah but haboobi this series is not a regular occurrence.

"Sixty-four of Bumrah's first 200 wickets were of top three batters. He has dismissed openers 50 times (25%) and the number three 14 times (7%). Number four is often the most reputed batter in the team and Bumrah has dismissed the No. 4 30 times (15%). Bumrah's percentage of top-four wickets (47%) is the seventh best overall and the best for India"

Bumrah gets to 200 wickets with the best average in Test cricket

No bowler before Jasprit Bumrah has got to 200 wickets with an average of less than 20 | ESPN.com.au

www.espn.com.au

Yeah we saw how Bumrah dismissed no 4 root after he scored 103 and 170(2021)

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Shoaib is overrated and if people wish to crap on Akhtar I dont mind. But if the same people who crap on Akhtar due to injury yet support this stat padding clown who freqently helps India lose game a gold medal , then they are hypocrites.

Then again reading comments from the ghambir thread and wcl thread I am not surprised.

funny how conversation has gone from Comparing Bumrah with ATGs to Comparing it with Akhtar and Archer

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Yeah but haboobi this series is not a regular occurrence.

"Sixty-four of Bumrah's first 200 wickets were of top three batters. He has dismissed openers 50 times (25%) and the number three 14 times (7%). Number four is often the most reputed batter in the team and Bumrah has dismissed the No. 4 30 times (15%). Bumrah's percentage of top-four wickets (47%) is the seventh best overall and the best for India"

Bumrah gets to 200 wickets with the best average in Test cricket

No bowler before Jasprit Bumrah has got to 200 wickets with an average of less than 20 | ESPN.com.au

www.espn.com.au

this is amazing work, stat padder exposed by his own stats lmao

 

[Romali_rotti]

this is amazing work, stat padder exposed by his own stats lmao

Getting the no.4 bats out ranks as the 7th best overall, so yeah stat padding I guess.

Ok then Haboobi.

 

[Mamoon]

As I explained before, Bumrah has zero workload.

India is only playing 5 Tests in the next 12 months.

October 2025: West Indies (2) (H)
November 2025: South Africa (2) (H)
June 2026: Afghanistan (1) (H)

He can easily skip the 3 Tests vs West Indies and Afghanistan at home. That leaves him with just two proper Test matches in the next 12 months.

Where is the workload? What is he saving himself for?

He is simply the biggest coward I have seen on a cricket pitch. I don’t think anyone comes close.

He has contributed nothing in this series. He played in two defeats and one draw where he had nothing to do with the draw.

He has been bang average against the top-order batsmen even though England have had a dodgy opener like Crawley and someone like Pope at 3 who has played well but is a quite a vulnerable player and a so-called GOAT bowler should be getting rid off him frequently.

Now with the series on the line, and what could be his last ever Test match in England, he should be pulling his socks up and ready to put his body on the line to help India win this Test match and salvage a 2-2 draw but instead, he has chickened out because he doesn’t have the heart.

He is not going to die if he plays this Test and nor will he be crippled for life. He just doesn’t have the guts to push himself. It is extremely embarrassing to witness and he is ruling himself. I have never seen anyone act like this before in the many, many years of cricket that I have watched.

 

[BouncerGuy]

ARE YOU GUYS DONE HAVING PERSONAL AND IRRELEVANT CHAT HERE.

NOW MOVE BACK TO THE REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT BUMRAH....

 

[Romali_rotti]

ARE YOU GUYS DONE HAVING PERSONAL AND IRRELEVANT CHAT HERE.

NOW MOVE BACK TO THE REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT BUMRAH....

Was just have a little fun.. Harmless...

 

[BouncerGuy]

ARE YOU GUYS DONE HAVING PERSONAL AND IRRELEVANT CHAT HERE.

NOW MOVE BACK TO THE REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT BUMRAH....

Was just have a little fun.. Harmless...

Having fun is not bad but we have to talk about the relevant topic... Many posters here will not like your personal life being discussed and you guys having personal fights here

So please stay on topic

 

[Namoona.]

A sensible decision to rest him. No series is worth risking a generation player like him

Best wishes for Bumrah and his family

 

[The_KING]

What a fraud. Series decider, and he doesn't want to play. This is meant to be the GOAT.

Look at Stokes, with his dodgy knee bowling his absolute heart out in the series, but this guy already skipped one test match in this series and now won't play in the series decider. Perhaps that is a good thing for India, as now they may win the 5th test to level the series.

 

[Ab Fan]

Durability remains a limitation with Bumrah and that’s why he can never become a GOAT or even top 5 bowler of all time. I can give him ATG status as he didn’t skipped games as often pre 2025.

 

[Sachin fan]

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^^ Like this, Easy to maintain an avg of 26 vs England when you avg 7 vs Tailenders

Yes because this is the only series he ever played in his life.

I think bumrah has reached the same level as Sachin in his peak. Similar kind of tactics and mental gymnastics were used to pull Sachin down.

Other players are judged for their successes, wow, he had a great series. Bumrah is being judged for his one off failures. That's a great place to be at.

 

[Sachin fan]

Oh look, stokes is out now of the 5th match. Which English bowler played the entire 5 matches? Maybe Carse but we saw how effective he was. Even their spinner bashir didn't play all matches.

Yet only bumrah is being criticized for being rotated.

 

[Sachin fan]

Stokes, Archer, Carse, Dawson all out of 5th deciding test while series is still alive.

Apart from stokes no one else has any injuries. Archer just came back from a long rest

But but but we only cry when indian bowlers are rested.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Stokes, Archer, Carse, Dawson all out of 5th deciding test while series is still alive.

Apart from stokes no one else has any injuries. Archer just came back from a long rest

But but but we only cry when indian bowlers are rested.

I don't think any of these players from England decided before the series how many tests they would play. They have picked up knocks or niggles during the game and aren't fresh for the final test. Dawson is a strange one to lump into your list, he is not rested he has been dropped completely.

 

[Technics 1210]

When you're throwing 1.8 lbs javelins vs 5.5oz cricket balls, it does take a toll on the body. No doubt.

Bumrah is only good for a few 100ms, not overs.

 

[IMMY69]

Stokes, Archer, Carse, Dawson all out of 5th deciding test while series is still alive.

Apart from stokes no one else has any injuries. Archer just came back from a long rest

But but but we only cry when indian bowlers are rested.

Which Indian bowler is being rested?
Define definition of a bowler

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes because this is the only series he ever played in his life.

I think bumrah has reached the same level as Sachin in his peak. Similar kind of tactics and mental gymnastics were used to pull Sachin down.

Other players are judged for their successes, wow, he had a great series. Bumrah is being judged for his one off failures. That's a great place to be at.

Completly wrong.

Sachin's only issue is that people overhype him because they equate statistics + Longetivity as him being the undisputed no 1.

Kohli is undoubtedly better then him in odi and so is Viv, in test cricket their have been people > him bit its his longetivity that stood out which allowed him to be > them.

For example Steve Smith is > Sachin in prime but now smith is declining, it seems very soon smith may fall below sachin in avg due to constant form slump. Same case qith Ponting, was superior to sachin from birth to 2006, fell off and ended with an avg of 51 and now root will surpass him or actually root already has surpassed Ponting in test.

However Sachin > as longetivity counts. If you were put Sachin > everyone except Bradman I would concede since all that matters is record at the end of his career and Sachin has the perfect statistics while others are plagued by form slumps.

Bumrah is the total opposite. Its very obvious starc is > him. Starc has the following

A) Odi cup where he was directly responsible for the 2015 win and major player for 2023 wc.

B) Major player for 2021 t20 wc

C) Major player for 2023 wtc

D) Major player and directly responsible for ashes wins

He has the best fitness, greatest lingetivoty and most cups while Bumrah has the statistics but a history of choking, one cup win which is t20 and lesser then the other others and Mr huff and puff cant for the living life of him take a 10 fer or heck bowl properly in a series without injury.

Unlike sachin, Bumrah is an insult to longetivity and an insult t9 world cup wins.

He is basically statistics galore in which case Williamson, Sanga, Kallis and Steve Smith would be 100x > Sachin if one was to rely on overall avg only.

 

[mominsaigol]

Completly wrong.

Sachin's only issue is that people overhype him because they equate statistics + Longetivity as him being the undisputed no 1.

Kohli is undoubtedly better then him in odi and so is Viv, in test cricket their have been people > him bit its his longetivity that stood out which allowed him to be > them.

For example Steve Smith is > Sachin in prime but now smith is declining, it seems very soon smith may fall below sachin in avg due to constant form slump. Same case qith Ponting, was superior to sachin from birth to 2006, fell off and ended with an avg of 51 and now root will surpass him or actually root already has surpassed Ponting in test.

However Sachin > as longetivity counts. If you were put Sachin > everyone except Bradman I would concede since all that matters is record at the end of his career and Sachin has the perfect statistics while others are plagued by form slumps.

Bumrah is the total opposite. Its very obvious starc is > him. Starc has the following

A) Odi cup where he was directly responsible for the 2015 win and major player for 2023 wc.

B) Major player for 2021 t20 wc

C) Major player for 2023 wtc

D) Major player and directly responsible for ashes wins

He has the best fitness, greatest lingetivoty and most cups while Bumrah has the statistics but a history of choking, one cup win which is t20 and lesser then the other others and Mr huff and puff cant for the living life of him take a 10 fer or heck bowl properly in a series without injury.

Unlike sachin, Bumrah is an insult to longetivity and an insult t9 world cup wins.

He is basically statistics galore in which case Williamson, Sanga, Kallis and Steve Smith would be 100x > Sachin if one was to rely on overall avg only.

If people use the avg argument to put Bumrah > everyone then sanga > Sachin, Kallis > Sachin, Steve Smith >>>>>>> Sachin

Heck Scott Boland > Bumrah.

Tbh boland and Steve smith are > Sachin and Bumrah thats a fact.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

As far as the workload issue is concerned, I think it's very real. If anything, India are running Bumrah into the ground. In the first test, he bowled over 40% of his deliveries at 140+, in the 3rd test this number dropped to under 27%, in the last test I think it was at 5-7%

They are way too reliant on him. And his lack of effectiveness in this series has shown that if they keep this up, he may not have too many more test matches left in him.

 

[pillionrider]

The problem for Bumrah is this 3 Tests thing that was made a big deal of before the series even started. Now if he pulls out, it will always be looked at suspiciously. Fact is, he did leave the ground long enough to have to wait to get a chance to bowl again during the 4th Test. There are fan videos of him literally being helped up the stairs by coaching staff. So he might actually have an issue.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

As far as the workload issue is concerned, I think it's very real. If anything, India are running Bumrah into the ground. In the first test, he bowled over 40% of his deliveries at 140+, in the 3rd test this number dropped to under 27%, in the last test I think it was at 5-7%

They are way too reliant on him. And his lack of effectiveness in this series has shown that if they keep this up, he may not have too many more test matches left in him.

Bazball turned him into a trundler

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bazball turned him into a trundler

The ironic thing is that England haven't really even played Bazball in this series.

Part of it is definitely the workload, but I think we are also coming to a point now where his body can't even handle 4 tests in a series. The history of back injuries and that action does not help things either. And yet some people here think he's better than Wasim and Waqar, who have nearly 2x test wickets as him.

 

[James]

Bazball turned him into a trundler

It’s the opposite. If England had played Bazball 1.0 in this series they would have made 420 AO in 75 overs with Bumrah bowling 2 spells. Instead they have been bowled out in 110+ overs with Bumrah bowling 4 or 5 spells, which makes a huge difference. It has been a deliberate tactic to take the series deep on flat pitches and break his body.

 

[Devadwal]

It’s the opposite. If England had played Bazball 1.0 in this series they would have made 420 AO in 75 overs with Bumrah bowling 2 spells. Instead they have been bowled out in 110+ overs with Bumrah bowling 4 or 5 spells, which makes a huge difference. It has been a deliberate tactic to take the series deep on flat pitches and break his body.

Entire England trundlers can't pick more than 2 wickets in 5 session at home.

And you was hiding during that time

Overhyped jofra chokie chickening out from Next test just after playing 2 test ,Overpaid , that too despite playing Test after 4 years

 

[BreadPakoda]

It’s the opposite. If England had played Bazball 1.0 in this series they would have made 420 AO in 75 overs with Bumrah bowling 2 spells. Instead they have been bowled out in 110+ overs with Bumrah bowling 4 or 5 spells, which makes a huge difference. It has been a deliberate tactic to take the series deep on flat pitches and break his body.

Yet when Jadeja and Sundar wanted your bowlers to keep bowling, Stokes started crying spirit of cricket.

 

[James]

Entire England trundlers can't pick more than 2 wickets in 5 session at home.

And you was hiding during that time

Overhyped jofra chokie chickening out from Next test just after playing 2 test ,Overpaid , that too despite playing Test after 4 years

Yet when Jadeja and Sundar wanted your bowlers to keep bowling, Stokes started crying spirit of cricket.

World’s most sensitive and bristly fanbase.
Never change.

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians are desperate to compare Bumrah to Mcgrath and Marshall.

Bumrah hasnt even surpassed Starc. He is just a statistical avg number with a good avg but a poor record vs NZ and 0 10 fer.

By this logic Scott Boland is > him since Boland has a better avg + 1 10 fer and one poor record in england in the sane vein as Bumrah vs NZ.

India despite having the strongest whiteball team and one of the strongest teams under kohli and even now in tests cant win Jack with Bumrah excluding t20 world cup which was won due to Pandya and not Bumrah.

He is yet to produce anything memorable like starc did in countless cups and countless ashes series.

And now Bumrah's workload and longevity is being exposed as he cannot play consecutive tests without croaking.

Last test was by far his worst test. And itll only get worse as he just cannot play 5 tests in a rowm

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians are desperate to compare Bumrah to Mcgrath and Marshall.

Bumrah hasnt even surpassed Starc. He is just a statistical avg number with a good avg but a poor record vs NZ and 0 10 fer.

By this logic Scott Boland is > him since Boland has a better avg + 1 10 fer and one poor record in england in the sane vein as Bumrah vs NZ.

India despite having the strongest whiteball team and one of the strongest teams under kohli and even now in tests cant win Jack with Bumrah excluding t20 world cup which was won due to Pandya and not Bumrah.

He is yet to produce anything memorable like starc did in countless cups and countless ashes series.

And now Bumrah's workload and longevity is being exposed as he cannot play consecutive tests without croaking.

Last test was by far his worst test. And itll only get worse as he just cannot play 5 tests in a rowm

Not to mention getting trolled by a 19 year old kid who cant even muster 10 runs vs WI.

 

[captain.hansolo]

their spearhead bowler is missing games just like Shoaib used back in the day. Difference is Shoaib played 90% of his games with injury while the fragile queen isn't injured and has the best doctors to look after him. Shoaib had PCB looking after him yet he still delivered many unforgettable performances on dead road wickets and won game for his country.

Its an insult to cricket if people compare this fragile queen to the greats of the game.

Well then sonny boy I will be insulting you a lot.

 

[captain.hansolo]

How on earth can a bowler stat pad? You make less and less sense as the day goes by.

If Sohaib had sake numbers as bumrah he would be considered one of the greatest.

Your first mistake was engaging the troll. Your second mistake was trying to talk reason.