The Jasprit Bumrah workload myth: Is opting out of the 2nd Test against England justified?

[mominsaigol]

This mentality is the reason why you haven't had a single fast bowler crossing 200 wickets for so long.

If Sohaib was in India he and his injuries would have been managed way better and he would have a longer career. Prevention of injuries is as much required for managing a players career as management after injury.

We treat our bowlers well like human beings. You guys make them stars when they are in teens and then treat them like donkeys and run them to ground. No wonder so many take the wrong route or go to drugs or are just run into the ground like Shaheen.

If any of your teen sensation were handled like bumrah they would have long, wonderful careers.

If Sohaib was in India he and his injuries would have been managed way better and he would have a longer career. Prevention of injuries is as much required for managing a players career as management after injury.
We treat our bowlers well like human beings. You guys make them stars when they are in teens and then treat them like donkeys and run them to ground. No wonder so many take the wrong route or go to drugs or are just run into the ground like Shaheen.

Hogwash, Bumrah hardly plays test, has literally only played 48 tests yet he mr huff and puff cant even bowl at 130 clicks if he is to play 2 back to back tests.

he was throwing half volleys and bowling at 120KPH. You can hide behind the flat track pitch nonsense all you like, it doesnt change the fact that he has been a circus clown against the top order including the 3rd test which was a spicy pitch.

If you knew how to handle your bowlers well, then you wouldnt have ran him into the ground in BGT. The whole world including India was begging to rest him since it was clear what 5 tests were doing to his body.

And how many injuries have India suffered this series compared to England? Human beings my foot, india is more injury prone then professional squash players lol.

 

[James]

Are you seriously questioning the credentials of someone who takes a 5-fer almost every 3 match in tests? I thought you were supposed to be a test fan?

How often do England play Archer and Wood in tests? How often have they played all 5 match in a series? Every country manages their fast bowlers.

A test fan should know better.

He is a good bowler, and very good at times, but he is made of glass mate. Totally unreliable.

It would all be ok if he wasn’t widely hailed and held up as the Goat. IMO the Goat bowler (whoever that is) needs to have at least some reliability and longevity.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

How on earth can a bowler stat pad? You make less and less sense as the day goes by.

If Sohaib had sake numbers as bumrah he would be considered one of the greatest.

habibi just look at his stats in this series against tailenders and capabable batters

70% against tailenders and only 30% for batters

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

This mentality is the reason why you haven't had a single fast bowler crossing 200 wickets for so long.

If Sohaib was in India he and his injuries would have been managed way better and he would have a longer career. Prevention of injuries is as much required for managing a players career as management after injury.

We treat our bowlers well like human beings. You guys make them stars when they are in teens and then treat them like donkeys and run them to ground. No wonder so many take the wrong route or go to drugs or are just run into the ground like Shaheen.

If any of your teen sensation were handled like bumrah they would have long, wonderful careers.

this is exactly what point I was making in my post but Bumrah still with very good doctors slacking.

And don't start with "we treat our bowlers like Human beings" why isn't Siraj getting breaks? what about his workload?

forget indian bowlers, compare bumrah to cummins, starc, rabada, Taskin, Mustafizur etc. playing today.....No excuse...Bumrah is fragile

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Shoaib is overrated and if people wish to crap on Akhtar I dont mind. But if the same people who crap on Akhtar due to injury yet support this stat padding clown who freqently helps India lose game a gold medal , then they are hypocrites.

Then again reading comments from the ghambir thread and wcl thread I am not surprised.

Shoaib wasn't overrated he was under-utilized by the PCB.

Every single batter of his era was afraid of him. He could've achieved a lot more if he also didn't have his brain fart moments.

But saying overrated nah mate, Him Brett Bond were a piece of Art that is rare to find.

 

[TheSultan]

Yup Bumrah is fragile and weak, I feel sorry for the Bichara. His body is not built for fast bowling especially with such a pathetic action

 

[Technics 1210]

He is a good bowler, and very good at times, but he is made of glass mate. Totally unreliable.

It would all be ok if he wasn’t widely hailed and held up as the Goat. IMO the Goat bowler (whoever that is) needs to have at least some reliability and longevity.

On a serious note I think Bumrah's pathetic reliability as a Test bowler stems out of the fact Bhumrah is a product of the IPL. He is used to 4 over bursts, followed by dancing IPL cheer leaders, meaning the guy also has the attention span of a TikToker.

Had Bumrah ranked through the proper academies at a young age etc, he'd have the Stamina, endurance, and tenacity baked into him as a Test bowler.

Made In India - Buy in India - Use in India - Test bowler.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Having parallel systems for different players usually ends in bitterness and resentment. How will the more donkey bowlers feel after being asked to bowl on phattas while Bumrah is given green tracks and allowed to pick and chose when he plays? For example imagine Kamboj breaks his back in Asia but is asked to step aside for Bumrah if the Indians make the WTC final?

This can only work when you have lots of players being rotated, or, a brilliant man manager as coach.

 

[mominsaigol]

The greatest bowler of this generation is Mitchell Starc.

Stats aren't everything, this man has won 2 odi cups, 1 t20 and 1 test wtc for Australia while Bumrah was a part of 1 t20 world cup where his impact is questionable as pandya got klaseen ans sky took an almost impossible catch to win.

Bumrah didnt impact as much as people believed. None of his performances ever come close to Starc in 2015 wc.

Not to mention Bumrah botching 2017 fakhar zaman's wicket and getting spanked by Travis Head in 2023 final.

Starc has more wickets, more tournament wins and more test dominance with only india win at home den on spin dustbowls being his single negative black mark.

 

[Ice Man]

The greatest bowler of this generation is Mitchell Starc.

Stats aren't everything, this man has won 2 odi cups, 1 t20 and 1 test wtc for Australia while Bumrah was a part of 1 t20 world cup where his impact is questionable as pandya got klaseen ans sky took an almost impossible catch to win.

Bumrah didnt impact as much as people believed. None of his performances ever come close to Starc in 2015 wc.

Not to mention Bumrah botching 2017 fakhar zaman's wicket and getting spanked by Travis Head in 2023 final.

Starc has more wickets, more tournament wins and more test dominance with only india win at home den on spin dustbowls being his single negative black mark.

Also, he has the highest wickets taken in the history of ICC finals.

 

[mominsaigol]

Also, he has the highest wickets taken in the history of ICC finals.

Problem with bumrah is stats. For example he avg 26 this series until you take a took of at this and calculate the mean. You find out why he averages 26

 

[Ice Man]

Problem with bumrah is stats. For example he avg 26 this series until you take a took of at this and calculate the mean. You find out why he averages 26

Brother, I quoted your post in regards to Starc, so not sure how Bumrah's stats came up in my quoted post

 

[mominsaigol]

Brother, I quoted your post in regards to Starc, so not sure how Bumrah's stats came up in my quoted post

Naw I accidentally pasted it in your quotes .

My bad

 

[Romali_rotti]

habibi just look at his stats in this series against tailenders and capabable batters

70% against tailenders and only 30% for batters

Yeah but haboobi this series is not a regular occurrence.

"Sixty-four of Bumrah's first 200 wickets were of top three batters. He has dismissed openers 50 times (25%) and the number three 14 times (7%). Number four is often the most reputed batter in the team and Bumrah has dismissed the No. 4 30 times (15%). Bumrah's percentage of top-four wickets (47%) is the seventh best overall and the best for India"

Bumrah gets to 200 wickets with the best average in Test cricket

No bowler before Jasprit Bumrah has got to 200 wickets with an average of less than 20 | ESPN.com.au

www.espn.com.au

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah but haboobi this series is not a regular occurrence.

"Sixty-four of Bumrah's first 200 wickets were of top three batters. He has dismissed openers 50 times (25%) and the number three 14 times (7%). Number four is often the most reputed batter in the team and Bumrah has dismissed the No. 4 30 times (15%). Bumrah's percentage of top-four wickets (47%) is the seventh best overall and the best for India"

Bumrah gets to 200 wickets with the best average in Test cricket

No bowler before Jasprit Bumrah has got to 200 wickets with an average of less than 20 | ESPN.com.au

www.espn.com.au

Yeah we saw how Bumrah dismissed no 4 root after he scored 103 and 170(2021)

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

Shoaib is overrated and if people wish to crap on Akhtar I dont mind. But if the same people who crap on Akhtar due to injury yet support this stat padding clown who freqently helps India lose game a gold medal , then they are hypocrites.

Then again reading comments from the ghambir thread and wcl thread I am not surprised.

funny how conversation has gone from Comparing Bumrah with ATGs to Comparing it with Akhtar and Archer

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Yeah but haboobi this series is not a regular occurrence.

"Sixty-four of Bumrah's first 200 wickets were of top three batters. He has dismissed openers 50 times (25%) and the number three 14 times (7%). Number four is often the most reputed batter in the team and Bumrah has dismissed the No. 4 30 times (15%). Bumrah's percentage of top-four wickets (47%) is the seventh best overall and the best for India"

Bumrah gets to 200 wickets with the best average in Test cricket

No bowler before Jasprit Bumrah has got to 200 wickets with an average of less than 20 | ESPN.com.au

www.espn.com.au

this is amazing work, stat padder exposed by his own stats lmao

 

[Romali_rotti]

this is amazing work, stat padder exposed by his own stats lmao

Getting the no.4 bats out ranks as the 7th best overall, so yeah stat padding I guess.

Ok then Haboobi.

 

[Mamoon]

As I explained before, Bumrah has zero workload.

India is only playing 5 Tests in the next 12 months.

October 2025: West Indies (2) (H)
November 2025: South Africa (2) (H)
June 2026: Afghanistan (1) (H)

He can easily skip the 3 Tests vs West Indies and Afghanistan at home. That leaves him with just two proper Test matches in the next 12 months.

Where is the workload? What is he saving himself for?

He is simply the biggest coward I have seen on a cricket pitch. I don’t think anyone comes close.

He has contributed nothing in this series. He played in two defeats and one draw where he had nothing to do with the draw.

He has been bang average against the top-order batsmen even though England have had a dodgy opener like Crawley and someone like Pope at 3 who has played well but is a quite a vulnerable player and a so-called GOAT bowler should be getting rid off him frequently.

Now with the series on the line, and what could be his last ever Test match in England, he should be pulling his socks up and ready to put his body on the line to help India win this Test match and salvage a 2-2 draw but instead, he has chickened out because he doesn’t have the heart.

He is not going to die if he plays this Test and nor will he be crippled for life. He just doesn’t have the guts to push himself. It is extremely embarrassing to witness and he is ruling himself. I have never seen anyone act like this before in the many, many years of cricket that I have watched.

 

[BouncerGuy]

ARE YOU GUYS DONE HAVING PERSONAL AND IRRELEVANT CHAT HERE.

NOW MOVE BACK TO THE REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT BUMRAH....

 

[Romali_rotti]

ARE YOU GUYS DONE HAVING PERSONAL AND IRRELEVANT CHAT HERE.

NOW MOVE BACK TO THE REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT BUMRAH....

Was just have a little fun.. Harmless...

 

[BouncerGuy]

ARE YOU GUYS DONE HAVING PERSONAL AND IRRELEVANT CHAT HERE.

NOW MOVE BACK TO THE REAL DISCUSSION ABOUT BUMRAH....

Was just have a little fun.. Harmless...

Having fun is not bad but we have to talk about the relevant topic... Many posters here will not like your personal life being discussed and you guys having personal fights here

So please stay on topic

 

[Namoona.]

A sensible decision to rest him. No series is worth risking a generation player like him

Best wishes for Bumrah and his family

 

[The_KING]

What a fraud. Series decider, and he doesn't want to play. This is meant to be the GOAT.

Look at Stokes, with his dodgy knee bowling his absolute heart out in the series, but this guy already skipped one test match in this series and now won't play in the series decider. Perhaps that is a good thing for India, as now they may win the 5th test to level the series.

 

[Ab Fan]

Durability remains a limitation with Bumrah and that’s why he can never become a GOAT or even top 5 bowler of all time. I can give him ATG status as he didn’t skipped games as often pre 2025.

 

[Sachin fan]

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^^ Like this, Easy to maintain an avg of 26 vs England when you avg 7 vs Tailenders

Yes because this is the only series he ever played in his life.

I think bumrah has reached the same level as Sachin in his peak. Similar kind of tactics and mental gymnastics were used to pull Sachin down.

Other players are judged for their successes, wow, he had a great series. Bumrah is being judged for his one off failures. That's a great place to be at.

 

[Sachin fan]

Oh look, stokes is out now of the 5th match. Which English bowler played the entire 5 matches? Maybe Carse but we saw how effective he was. Even their spinner bashir didn't play all matches.

Yet only bumrah is being criticized for being rotated.

 

[Sachin fan]

Stokes, Archer, Carse, Dawson all out of 5th deciding test while series is still alive.

Apart from stokes no one else has any injuries. Archer just came back from a long rest

But but but we only cry when indian bowlers are rested.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Stokes, Archer, Carse, Dawson all out of 5th deciding test while series is still alive.

Apart from stokes no one else has any injuries. Archer just came back from a long rest

But but but we only cry when indian bowlers are rested.

I don't think any of these players from England decided before the series how many tests they would play. They have picked up knocks or niggles during the game and aren't fresh for the final test. Dawson is a strange one to lump into your list, he is not rested he has been dropped completely.

 

[Technics 1210]

When you're throwing 1.8 lbs javelins vs 5.5oz cricket balls, it does take a toll on the body. No doubt.

Bumrah is only good for a few 100ms, not overs.

 

[IMMY69]

Stokes, Archer, Carse, Dawson all out of 5th deciding test while series is still alive.

Apart from stokes no one else has any injuries. Archer just came back from a long rest

But but but we only cry when indian bowlers are rested.

Which Indian bowler is being rested?
Define definition of a bowler

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes because this is the only series he ever played in his life.

I think bumrah has reached the same level as Sachin in his peak. Similar kind of tactics and mental gymnastics were used to pull Sachin down.

Other players are judged for their successes, wow, he had a great series. Bumrah is being judged for his one off failures. That's a great place to be at.

Completly wrong.

Sachin's only issue is that people overhype him because they equate statistics + Longetivity as him being the undisputed no 1.

Kohli is undoubtedly better then him in odi and so is Viv, in test cricket their have been people > him bit its his longetivity that stood out which allowed him to be > them.

For example Steve Smith is > Sachin in prime but now smith is declining, it seems very soon smith may fall below sachin in avg due to constant form slump. Same case qith Ponting, was superior to sachin from birth to 2006, fell off and ended with an avg of 51 and now root will surpass him or actually root already has surpassed Ponting in test.

However Sachin > as longetivity counts. If you were put Sachin > everyone except Bradman I would concede since all that matters is record at the end of his career and Sachin has the perfect statistics while others are plagued by form slumps.

Bumrah is the total opposite. Its very obvious starc is > him. Starc has the following

A) Odi cup where he was directly responsible for the 2015 win and major player for 2023 wc.

B) Major player for 2021 t20 wc

C) Major player for 2023 wtc

D) Major player and directly responsible for ashes wins

He has the best fitness, greatest lingetivoty and most cups while Bumrah has the statistics but a history of choking, one cup win which is t20 and lesser then the other others and Mr huff and puff cant for the living life of him take a 10 fer or heck bowl properly in a series without injury.

Unlike sachin, Bumrah is an insult to longetivity and an insult t9 world cup wins.

He is basically statistics galore in which case Williamson, Sanga, Kallis and Steve Smith would be 100x > Sachin if one was to rely on overall avg only.

 

[mominsaigol]

Completly wrong.

Sachin's only issue is that people overhype him because they equate statistics + Longetivity as him being the undisputed no 1.

Kohli is undoubtedly better then him in odi and so is Viv, in test cricket their have been people > him bit its his longetivity that stood out which allowed him to be > them.

For example Steve Smith is > Sachin in prime but now smith is declining, it seems very soon smith may fall below sachin in avg due to constant form slump. Same case qith Ponting, was superior to sachin from birth to 2006, fell off and ended with an avg of 51 and now root will surpass him or actually root already has surpassed Ponting in test.

However Sachin > as longetivity counts. If you were put Sachin > everyone except Bradman I would concede since all that matters is record at the end of his career and Sachin has the perfect statistics while others are plagued by form slumps.

Bumrah is the total opposite. Its very obvious starc is > him. Starc has the following

A) Odi cup where he was directly responsible for the 2015 win and major player for 2023 wc.

B) Major player for 2021 t20 wc

C) Major player for 2023 wtc

D) Major player and directly responsible for ashes wins

He has the best fitness, greatest lingetivoty and most cups while Bumrah has the statistics but a history of choking, one cup win which is t20 and lesser then the other others and Mr huff and puff cant for the living life of him take a 10 fer or heck bowl properly in a series without injury.

Unlike sachin, Bumrah is an insult to longetivity and an insult t9 world cup wins.

He is basically statistics galore in which case Williamson, Sanga, Kallis and Steve Smith would be 100x > Sachin if one was to rely on overall avg only.

If people use the avg argument to put Bumrah > everyone then sanga > Sachin, Kallis > Sachin, Steve Smith >>>>>>> Sachin

Heck Scott Boland > Bumrah.

Tbh boland and Steve smith are > Sachin and Bumrah thats a fact.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

As far as the workload issue is concerned, I think it's very real. If anything, India are running Bumrah into the ground. In the first test, he bowled over 40% of his deliveries at 140+, in the 3rd test this number dropped to under 27%, in the last test I think it was at 5-7%

They are way too reliant on him. And his lack of effectiveness in this series has shown that if they keep this up, he may not have too many more test matches left in him.

 

[pillionrider]

The problem for Bumrah is this 3 Tests thing that was made a big deal of before the series even started. Now if he pulls out, it will always be looked at suspiciously. Fact is, he did leave the ground long enough to have to wait to get a chance to bowl again during the 4th Test. There are fan videos of him literally being helped up the stairs by coaching staff. So he might actually have an issue.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

As far as the workload issue is concerned, I think it's very real. If anything, India are running Bumrah into the ground. In the first test, he bowled over 40% of his deliveries at 140+, in the 3rd test this number dropped to under 27%, in the last test I think it was at 5-7%

They are way too reliant on him. And his lack of effectiveness in this series has shown that if they keep this up, he may not have too many more test matches left in him.

Bazball turned him into a trundler

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bazball turned him into a trundler

The ironic thing is that England haven't really even played Bazball in this series.

Part of it is definitely the workload, but I think we are also coming to a point now where his body can't even handle 4 tests in a series. The history of back injuries and that action does not help things either. And yet some people here think he's better than Wasim and Waqar, who have nearly 2x test wickets as him.

 

[James]

Bazball turned him into a trundler

It’s the opposite. If England had played Bazball 1.0 in this series they would have made 420 AO in 75 overs with Bumrah bowling 2 spells. Instead they have been bowled out in 110+ overs with Bumrah bowling 4 or 5 spells, which makes a huge difference. It has been a deliberate tactic to take the series deep on flat pitches and break his body.

 

[Devadwal]

It’s the opposite. If England had played Bazball 1.0 in this series they would have made 420 AO in 75 overs with Bumrah bowling 2 spells. Instead they have been bowled out in 110+ overs with Bumrah bowling 4 or 5 spells, which makes a huge difference. It has been a deliberate tactic to take the series deep on flat pitches and break his body.

Entire England trundlers can't pick more than 2 wickets in 5 session at home.

And you was hiding during that time

Overhyped jofra chokie chickening out from Next test just after playing 2 test ,Overpaid , that too despite playing Test after 4 years

 

[BreadPakoda]

It’s the opposite. If England had played Bazball 1.0 in this series they would have made 420 AO in 75 overs with Bumrah bowling 2 spells. Instead they have been bowled out in 110+ overs with Bumrah bowling 4 or 5 spells, which makes a huge difference. It has been a deliberate tactic to take the series deep on flat pitches and break his body.

Yet when Jadeja and Sundar wanted your bowlers to keep bowling, Stokes started crying spirit of cricket.

 

[James]

Entire England trundlers can't pick more than 2 wickets in 5 session at home.

And you was hiding during that time

Overhyped jofra chokie chickening out from Next test just after playing 2 test ,Overpaid , that too despite playing Test after 4 years

Yet when Jadeja and Sundar wanted your bowlers to keep bowling, Stokes started crying spirit of cricket.

World’s most sensitive and bristly fanbase.
Never change.

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians are desperate to compare Bumrah to Mcgrath and Marshall.

Bumrah hasnt even surpassed Starc. He is just a statistical avg number with a good avg but a poor record vs NZ and 0 10 fer.

By this logic Scott Boland is > him since Boland has a better avg + 1 10 fer and one poor record in england in the sane vein as Bumrah vs NZ.

India despite having the strongest whiteball team and one of the strongest teams under kohli and even now in tests cant win Jack with Bumrah excluding t20 world cup which was won due to Pandya and not Bumrah.

He is yet to produce anything memorable like starc did in countless cups and countless ashes series.

And now Bumrah's workload and longevity is being exposed as he cannot play consecutive tests without croaking.

Last test was by far his worst test. And itll only get worse as he just cannot play 5 tests in a rowm

 

[mominsaigol]

Indians are desperate to compare Bumrah to Mcgrath and Marshall.

Bumrah hasnt even surpassed Starc. He is just a statistical avg number with a good avg but a poor record vs NZ and 0 10 fer.

By this logic Scott Boland is > him since Boland has a better avg + 1 10 fer and one poor record in england in the sane vein as Bumrah vs NZ.

India despite having the strongest whiteball team and one of the strongest teams under kohli and even now in tests cant win Jack with Bumrah excluding t20 world cup which was won due to Pandya and not Bumrah.

He is yet to produce anything memorable like starc did in countless cups and countless ashes series.

And now Bumrah's workload and longevity is being exposed as he cannot play consecutive tests without croaking.

Last test was by far his worst test. And itll only get worse as he just cannot play 5 tests in a rowm

Not to mention getting trolled by a 19 year old kid who cant even muster 10 runs vs WI.

 

[captain.hansolo]

their spearhead bowler is missing games just like Shoaib used back in the day. Difference is Shoaib played 90% of his games with injury while the fragile queen isn't injured and has the best doctors to look after him. Shoaib had PCB looking after him yet he still delivered many unforgettable performances on dead road wickets and won game for his country.

Its an insult to cricket if people compare this fragile queen to the greats of the game.

Well then sonny boy I will be insulting you a lot.

 

[captain.hansolo]

How on earth can a bowler stat pad? You make less and less sense as the day goes by.

If Sohaib had sake numbers as bumrah he would be considered one of the greatest.

Your first mistake was engaging the troll. Your second mistake was trying to talk reason.

 

[Sachin fan]

World’s most sensitive and bristly fanbase.
Never change.

Ita very noticeable that you constantly like to give it but when someone gives back, you always attack the fanbase and pretend to be so superior.

It's a clear tactic you use, just know that no one, even the pak trolls liking your posts, are fooled by it.

Resorting to generalization doesn't make you right or superior in anyways.

 

[mominsaigol]

Your first mistake was engaging the troll. Your second mistake was trying to talk reason.

Your 3rd mistake was indirectly mentioning me.

 

[mominsaigol]

Ita very noticeable that you constantly like to give it but when someone gives back, you always attack the fanbase and pretend to be so superior.

It's a clear tactic you use, just know that no one, even the pak trolls liking your posts, are fooled by it.

Resorting to generalization doesn't make you right or superior in anyways.

He is not trolling and neither are we. We are dead serious. Devad is a . Some of his posts are borderline hilarious such as I was a time traveller in the year 2007 and was live streaming on 50mbs while others were using land lines.

No need to defend a troll by calling others trolls.

 

[Mamoon]

That image which shows Bumrah’s performance vs the top order and tail in this series has to be one of the most iconic images in history of cricket.

An absolute brutal destruction of the Bumrah myth. A lot of respect for Sky for putting this out. This would have never been revealed by an Indian broadcaster.

I wonder who the Indian commentator was in the box when it was aired. Too bad I missed it.

 

[RamLakhan]

That image which shows Bumrah’s performance vs the top order and tail in this series has to be one of the most iconic images in history of cricket.

An absolute brutal destruction of the Bumrah myth. A lot of respect for Sky for putting this out. This would have never been revealed by an Indian broadcaster.

I wonder who the Indian commentator was in the box when it was aired. Too bad I missed it.

Not a big deal, this series is full of flat pitches and any top bowler of any era would end up with similar stats... I hope someone comes up with same stats taking his entire career... Bowlers from both the sides are rotated...

 

[James]

Ita very noticeable that you constantly like to give it but when someone gives back, you always attack the fanbase and pretend to be so superior.

It's a clear tactic you use, just know that no one, even the pak trolls liking your posts, are fooled by it.

Resorting to generalization doesn't make you right or superior in anyways.

“Constantly”. That would imply an extensive list of examples that you could point to?

 

[TheSultan]

What a fraud. Series decider, and he doesn't want to play. This is meant to be the GOAT.

Look at Stokes, with his dodgy knee bowling his absolute heart out in the series, but this guy already skipped one test match in this series and now won't play in the series decider. Perhaps that is a good thing for India, as now they may win the 5th test to level the series.

Maybe India have just realised that Bumrah’s participation is inversely proportional to their number of test wins (recently)

The problem is they didn’t plan for it, and as a result, their bowling attack is all over the place.

They can’t escape the inevitable - another X-1 series loss in England.

 

[mominsaigol]

Just saw on X that Bumrah isn't resting he is boycotting the match in protest at terrorism and to commemorate the surrender of Indian armed forces to Pakistan during the botched operation sindoor.

Is this true can any Indian posters confirm?

Boycotting Pakistan by boycotting England?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Bumrah should start bowling like this

 

[160KPH]

The fact that Bumrah is used so tactfully in specific matches and his load is so specially managed is important context for his average.

He’s played 12 Tests in India, 12 Tests in England, and 12 Tests in Australia. And of course he’s played 0 Tests in Pakistan because India refuses to play Pakistan.

Wasim and Waqar were grinding away on the flat highways in Pakistan. Wasim alone played 41 Tests in Pakistan. Bumrah is a great bowler but longevity and always being available for the team is a skill as well. Your premier fast bowler not playing series deciding Test matches because his body cannot handle the stress and load is a mark against him.

Imagine the averages of players like Wasim, Waqar, and even Shoaib if they got to pick and choose which matches they wanted to play and got to give each match 100% without grinding away on the brutal highway pitches in Pakistan.

 

[mominsaigol]

The fact that Bumrah is used so tactfully in specific matches and his load is so specially managed is important context for his average.

He’s played 12 Tests in India, 12 Tests in England, and 12 Tests in Australia. And of course he’s played 0 Tests in Pakistan because India refuses to play Pakistan.

Wasim and Waqar were grinding away on the flat highways in Pakistan. Wasim alone played 41 Tests in Pakistan. Bumrah is a great bowler but longevity and always being available for the team is a skill as well. Your premier fast bowler not playing series deciding Test matches because his body cannot handle the stress and load is a mark against him.

Imagine the averages of players like Wasim, Waqar, and even Shoaib if they got to pick and choose which matches they wanted to play and got to give each match 100% without grinding away on the brutal highway pitches in Pakistan.

He isnt a bad bowler but extremely overrated. His avg is close to 20 now, he has 0 10 fers which not a singoe legend lacks.

0 10fers showcases a lack of bowling spells. In this series in one innings he was able to only bowl a max of 13 overs. 13 overs bowled in an entire day is embarrassing.

His NZ record is a joke, and he freqently stat pads with tailender wickets.

His best bowling spell is 6-26. If you analyse his career he is extremely good at getting rid of Opener 1, No 4 and the rest is 8,9,10,11.

He is absolutely terrible against no 3, no 5 and no 6 due to lack of skills with the old ball and reversing.

This whole series has been a PR disaster for him.

 

[160KPH]

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He isnt a bad bowler but extremely overrated. His avg is close to 20 now, he has 0 10 fers which not a singoe legend lacks.

0 10fers showcases a lack of bowling spells. In this series in one innings he was able to only bowl a max of 13 overs. 13 overs bowled in an entire day is embarrassing.

His NZ record is a joke, and he freqently stat pads with tailender wickets.

His best bowling spell is 6-26. If you analyse his career he is extremely good at getting rid of Opener 1, No 4 and the rest is 8,9,10,11.

He is absolutely terrible against no 3, no 5 and no 6 due to lack of skills with the old ball and reversing.

This whole series has been a PR disaster for him.

Bumrah picking and choosing Test matches is like if Starc chose to only play pink ball Test matches.

Starc in pink ball matches has 81 wickets in 14 matches at an average of 17.

 

[160KPH]

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He isnt a bad bowler but extremely overrated. His avg is close to 20 now, he has 0 10 fers which not a singoe legend lacks.

0 10fers showcases a lack of bowling spells. In this series in one innings he was able to only bowl a max of 13 overs. 13 overs bowled in an entire day is embarrassing.

His NZ record is a joke, and he freqently stat pads with tailender wickets.

His best bowling spell is 6-26. If you analyse his career he is extremely good at getting rid of Opener 1, No 4 and the rest is 8,9,10,11.

He is absolutely terrible against no 3, no 5 and no 6 due to lack of skills with the old ball and reversing.

This whole series has been a PR disaster for him.

Also can’t forget that he’s failed in a lot of knockout stage matches… when the game matters the most. He looked unbelievably nervous even in the ODI WC against Australia. Not to mention he was basically out bowled by Mohammad Shami the entire tournament by a lot.

The greats like Glenn McGrath became even greater in the most important moments - they did not shy away from the moment.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah picking and choosing Test matches is like if Starc chose to only play pink ball Test matches.

Starc in pink ball matches has 81 wickets in 14 matches at an average of 17.

I dont have any issues with bumrah. I have just torn apart posters who claim he is > Wasim, Mcgrath, Marshall etc etc.

Thank you england for creating flat tracks amd actually exposing bumrah.

Bumrah in odi is miles below wasim. In test he is only superior to wasim in new ball bowling aka 1st 5 overs.

Otherwise he is terrible with the old ball. I kept and kept citing the fact that every time Travis head, Labu or Steve Smith murked him in BGT with the old ball, he would vanish for nearly an entire session only to come back and bowl once the new ball was taken.

NZ exposed tactic first. Aka survive the 1st spell and murder him into next week.

Dude cant reverse and has zero variety with the old ball that Wasim and Marshall had.

Mcgrath didnt have variety but his constant 3rd offstump line spam is somwthing we will never see repeated in cricket history.

 

[mominsaigol]

Also can’t forget that he’s failed in a lot of knockout stage matches… when the game matters the most. He looked unbelievably nervous even in the ODI WC against Australia. Not to mention he was basically out bowled by Mohammad Shami the entire tournament by a lot.

The greats like Glenn McGrath became even greater in the most important moments - they did not shy away from the moment.

Mcgrath is 10,000x the bowler that bumrah can or ever will be.

In odi i have Mcgrath at no 1. Some can argue garner due to economy but mcgrath faced superior batsmen.

In tests I have Mcgrath at no 2 behind Marshall.

Mcgrath is too good. He is an entire level > Wasim Akram and Imran Khan That's not an insult to wasim and Imran. It juat shows how good Mchrath truly is.

Bumrah is a tier 4 bowler. He hasnt even had the career of Starc or Rabada let alone Wasim, Imran or Mcgrath

 

[160KPH]

Mcgrath is 10,000x the bowler that bumrah can or ever will be.

In odi i have Mcgrath at no 1. Some can argue garner due to economy but mcgrath faced superior batsmen.

In tests I have Mcgrath at no 2 behind Marshall.

Mcgrath is too good. He is an entire level > Wasim Akram and Imran Khan That's not an insult to wasim and Imran. It juat shows how good Mchrath truly is.

Bumrah is a tier 4 bowler. He hasnt even had the career of Starc or Rabada let alone Wasim, Imran or Mcgrath

For me McGrath is probably the GOAT ODI Bowler.

Impeccable record and he has the trophies to show for it. In his last tournament he was MoS.

As a Pakistani fan I will always say Wasim is right up there as well. Both of them performed very well in WC’s and have iconic performances in knock out matches. I think Wasim also suffered a bit from the pathetic Pakistani fielding at the time, even in Test cricket.

The reason I think McGrath is the GOAT ODI Bowler is the same reason I think Vivian Richards is the GOAT ODI batsmen. Amazing record that was way ahead of his time, averaging nearly 50 while striking the ball at nearly 20 points higher than anyone else. On top of that, he elevated his game in World Cups - he averages 63 in WC’s and 75 in matches past the group stage in WC’s.

Real greatness are the players who perform in the most important moments. That’s what I always thought it was insane that people put Kohli as the GOAT ODI batsmen when he has such a lack luster record in knockout matches in ODI WC’s. Even his last performance in the finals where he padded his average a little bit was an extremely slow innings. I’d rather have Ghambir than Kohli in ODI knockout rounds in World Cups.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

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^^ Like this, Easy to maintain an avg of 26 vs England when you avg 7 vs Tailenders

Even then Stokes beat him in avg this series

 

[mominsaigol]

For me McGrath is probably the GOAT ODI Bowler.

Impeccable record and he has the trophies to show for it. In his last tournament he was MoS.

As a Pakistani fan I will always say Wasim is right up there as well. Both of them performed very well in WC’s and have iconic performances in knock out matches. I think Wasim also suffered a bit from the pathetic Pakistani fielding at the time, even in Test cricket.

The reason I think McGrath is the GOAT ODI Bowler is the same reason I think Vivian Richards is the GOAT ODI batsmen. Amazing record that was way ahead of his time, averaging nearly 50 while striking the ball at nearly 20 points higher than anyone else. On top of that, he elevated his game in World Cups - he averages 63 in WC’s and 75 in matches past the group stage in WC’s.

Real greatness are the players who perform in the most important moments. That’s what I always thought it was insane that people put Kohli as the GOAT ODI batsmen when he has such a lack luster record in knockout matches in ODI WC’s. Even his last performance in the finals where he padded his average a little bit was an extremely slow innings. I’d rather have Ghambir than Kohli in ODI knockout rounds in World Cups.

Kohli is still the 2nd best odi batsmen of all time. He just like Viv were > everyone in his era with the sole exception of Viv performing in knockouts.

The reason why people dont put sachin(excluding biased indians) here is because he only beat people via longetihity and consistency. He wasnt better then Ponting, Gilly and many other odi goats of his era.

He beat Ponting via pinting fizzling out.

Kohli is still no 2 all time in odi.

As for Wasim, Wasim is the greatest left arm bowler of all time but their are a few > him in the pecking order.

He's still in the top 10 though, somewhere around the 6-7 mark.

 

[Mamoon]

I reckon England might have ended Bumrah’s Test career.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not a big deal, this series is full of flat pitches and any top bowler of any era would end up with similar stats... I hope someone comes up with same stats taking his entire career... Bowlers from both the sides are rotated...

Flat pitches don’t reduce your speed and accuracy. Bumrah struggles to bowl faster than 85mph now . By the end of his spell he’s down to 80mph range . Test batsman can only be troubled by pace , swing or magical seam movement , going both ways . Bumrah action and angle becomes easy work with his pace now .

There’s no doubt he’s bowled some great spells but he’s well past his best .

India are not resting bumrah , the workload doesn’t warrant rests , India know he’s in decline . It’s no coincidence the match they won he wasn’t playing .

India has 1.5b people , they are playing dibbly dobbler bowlers . Bcci need to visit some sage , this nation is the least blessed with pace bowlers . Money cannot buy fast bowlers.

 

[pillionrider]

habibi just look at his stats in this series against tailenders and capabable batters

70% against tailenders and only 30% for batters

His career stats are the other way though. 29% against tail and rest against top and middle order.

 

[pillionrider]

Looks like Pakistanis are taking out all their hidden angst over Shaheen's habit of running away from tough situations

Should Bumrah have played this. Definitely, if he was match fit. No excuse if he was. But we don't know for sure. Just a few days back he was hobbling midgame up the stairs.

The thing is Bumrah has been such an exceptional test bowler, most of us have forgotten that we never expected someone with that kind of action to ever last a series in test cricket, never mind the career he has had. He's also a bit unlucky to be playing a few years late and for India when 5 test series have become a norm among the big teams.

All that said, if Bumrah needs to end his career as a Top 3 ATG, he needs to be able to continually impact big series.

 

[mominsaigol]

Looks like Pakistanis are taking out all their hidden angst over Shaheen's habit of running away from tough situations

Should Bumrah have played this. Definitely, if he was match fit. No excuse if he was. But we don't know for sure. Just a few days back he was hobbling midgame up the stairs.

The thing is Bumrah has been such an exceptional test bowler, most of us have forgotten that we never expected someone with that kind of action to ever last a series in test cricket, never mind the career he has had. He's also a bit unlucky to be playing a few years late and for India when 5 test series have become a norm among the big teams.

All that said, if Bumrah needs to end his career as a Top 3 ATG, he needs to be able to continually impact big series.

Difference is no one has the audacity to put shaheen's name next to Mcgrath or Marshall.

Bumrah hasnt even surpassed Starc. Him avg lower is the equivalent of Boland being > Starc cause he avg lower.

It's madness to claim bumrah is > Starc when starc has won 98% of pink ball tests for Australia, directly responsible for winning wc 2015 and indirectly responsible for yhe other cups as tbf to starc he was just a contributor in the other editions.

But he has directly contributed to ashes wins as well and wtc 2023.

Bumrah hasnt even had 1% the career of starc let alone mcgrath who won 3 back to back wc, multiple BGT and Ashes in an era where tournaments were spaced out every 4 years and didn’t occur yearly

 

[pillionrider]

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Good if true. The captain should have the finall call on whcih games he plays once he's cleared for a series. Can't have uncertainty in the team.

 

[pillionrider]

Bumrah hasnt even had 1% the career of starc

Just when your post begins to sound like a reasonable argument by a Starc fan, you go and do this

 

[mominsaigol]

Just when your post begins to sound like a reasonable argument by a Starc fan, you go and do this

What's wrong about what I said?

Starc has been directly responsible for 2015 wc, where he bowled the greatest spell in all of wc history. No bowler not even mcgrath has bowled as well as he did in 2015.

Mchrath is better but that particular cup was a freak of nature from starc.

He's the reason why aus is damn near unbeatable in pink ball, has the fastest 5 wicket haul in test history achieved on 15 balls and despite not replicating 2015 was still a major major player in 2023 wc, wtc and 2021 t20 wc.

He's also made ashes one sided in Aus and despite aus being on the losing end in England he has always made ashes competitive in England.

His only blackmark is tests vs India during BGT but he redeemed himself in 2024.

He has 400+ test wickets?

How is Bumrah close to him? Bumrah avg 19 and boland avg 17, Big whoop. Bumrah's greatest contribution is having India lose more test games when he is involved then winning them and indirectly being responsible for t20 wc

In which case Pandya was the mvp of said cup.

Starc is indirectly responsible for 3 cups and directly for one?

What part of 1% do you not understand?

Dont run away now

 

[pillionrider]

What part of 1% do you not understand?

Dont run away now

The 1% of your brain that you used to draft the rest of the original post

 

[mominsaigol]

The 1% of your brain that you used to draft the rest of the original post

Indian posters always resorting to vomit inducing one liners and crappie posts in order to pat themsleves on the back.

I find it hilarious a total of 10 indian posters claim im a troll when the arguments include

I view root below Ponting cause he is boring to me. Ignore his 57 sr, you are looking at numbers to much to prove im wrong

 

[160KPH]

Bumrah isn’t a fast bowler, he is a fragile piece of glass. Cover him in bubble wrap and put him in a cabinet


Better than Wasim? First let him pass Mohammad Abbas who played every match of both of his series in England, averaged 21 with the ball, and managed to draw a series in England.

 

[160KPH]

Imagine if Wasim Akram got to pick and choose which matches he played so he could be fully rested, only played on helpful pitches instead of the highways in Pakistan, all the while King Bumrah is carried by his spinners at home on dust bowls.



Wasim Akram would have averaged 10 runs a wicket with that kind of set up