Hasan Ali and Mohammad Asghar as international prospects?

[ethan hunt]

Hasan ali looks really good , certainly looks looks to have a lot more to his bowling than rumman raees and some others.

Asghar on the other hand has been impressive for a ahile now , deserves a look perhaps ??

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Hasan ali looks really good , certainly looks looks to have a lot more to his bowling than rumman raees and some others.

Asghar on the other hand has been impressive for a ahile now , deserves a look perhaps ??

[MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] Hasan is better batsman than Anwar Ali ? Known mug ?

OP as a bowler Hasan only has competition from Sohail Khan in PSL wrt (RHB). This competition is tough.

Asghar should must be in pakistan World T20 squad as a specialist Spinner. He must be there.

 

[jailbird]

Hasan can be our henry with the new ball. Just needs to add a braced knee which can be achieved through a small jump. However, it might be too far fetched to think that he can achieve that, as usually most bowlers struggle to change the lower half of their actions.

In his case, a burst style training regime- for the fast twitch fiber muscles- can help as it will improve his energy through the crease, improving arm speed.
As for the henry comparison; hasan is slower and shorter, but he definitely is a smarter and more rounded LOI bowler than the kiwi. [MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION]

 

[hur rizvi]

We have a very important A-team tour coming up in England

I want Hassan, Sadaf and M. Abbas to be part of that tour. Anyone performing among them could join National team straight away

 

[jailbird]

We have a very important A-team tour coming up in England

I want Hassan, Sadaf and M. Abbas to be part of that tour. Anyone performing among them could join National team straight away

Sadaf is rubbish, period!

 

[Theo_14]

I can't stress how good these PSL leagues are for their development.

 

[hur rizvi]

Sadaf is rubbish, period!

He deserves his chance for all the performance he has produced. He should play this A-series in England and we will know where he stands. I dont take word of a poster with a grand total of '3 posts' on best ever domestic bowler in Pakistan's history.

 

[hur rizvi]

I can't stress how good these PSL leagues are for their development.

They are good in identification of talent but we need to identify talent and try to improve their skills by giving the exposure in A-team cricket and also pofit from PSL should be used to Hire and train quality coaches at domestic level.

 

[Canistani Hero]

Can Hasan Ali bat?

 

[jailbird]

He deserves his chance for all the performance he has produced. He should play this A-series in England and we will know where he stands. I dont take word of a poster with a grand total of '3 posts' on best ever domestic bowler in Pakistan's history.

He is rubbish, simple as that.
I dont want to delve into the technicalities as it may go over your head.
And yes, my posting history has got no bearing on the validity of my opinion.

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[TalentSpotterPk]

We have a very important A-team tour coming up in England

I want Hassan, Sadaf and M. Abbas to be part of that tour. Anyone performing among them could join National team straight away

Which 4 pacers for four day games ?
Which 4 pacers for List A games ?

 

[Watsupdoc]

How fast is Hasan?

 

[Red Devil]

How fast is Hasan?

135-138 Kph

 

[hur rizvi]

He is rubbish, simple as that.
I dont want to delve into the technicalities as it may go over your head.
And yes, my posting history has got no bearing on the validity of my opinion.

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Your posts are all rubbish if you ask me, there is no way you could write off a proven performer without giving him any chance. You need get your head checked if you think that. Even if he is rubbish we need to see the evidence on ground rather than basing our opinion on some Nostradamus like you

 

[hur rizvi]

Which 4 pacers for four day games ?
Which 4 pacers for List A games ?

Sadaf and Hassan Ali should be in both formats, Abbas and Ehsan should join them for 4 -days

For List-A, Ammad Butt and Mir Hamza may be should be other two.

 

[srh]

Very impressed by Hasan Ali.

 

[dauntless]

Sadaf and Hassan Ali should be in both formats, Abbas and Ehsan should join them for 4 -days

For List-A, Ammad Butt and Mir Hamza may be should be other two.

Where is ammad butt??

 

[hur rizvi]

Where is ammad butt??

He is on Isl-U's BEnch

 

[jailbird]

Your posts are all rubbish if you ask me, there is no way you could write off a proven performer without giving him any chance. You need get your head checked if you think that. Even if he is rubbish we need to see the evidence on ground rather than basing our opinion on some Nostradamus like you

You can wish for him to be given a chance if it consoles you, but it will be a futile exercise.
And by the way, there is nothing wrong with my head. It is just that unlike you, I know a bit about fast bowling.


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[dauntless]

He is on Isl-U's BEnch

Thanks! he should be tested by misbah for a match atleast.

 

[asyed]

Where is ammad butt??

He's warming the bench to accommodate Rumman Raees.

 

[ethan hunt]

Thanks! he should be tested by misbah for a match atleast.

He is injured and out of the tournament , has been injured for a while .

 

[hur rizvi]

You can wish for him to be given a chance if it consoles you, but it will be a futile exercise.
And by the way, there is nothing wrong with my head. It is just that unlike you, I know a bit about fast bowling.


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I have seen Sadaf bowl and he is decent enough to be given a chance. His pace is 133-137 kph, but he gets dis-comforting bounce, and has good skills with the ball, extracts both seam and swing. I watched his whole spell in recent final, and have seen him lots of times in the past too.

I dont care if he fails but i would rather give him a chance which he richly deserves rather than writing him off just because someone who thinks he is the encyclopedia of fast bowling says so.

 

[Syed1]

Its a blessing in disguise that PZ lost, we can potentially see these two in two more matches.

 

[ChachaCricket]

Hasan can be our henry with the new ball. Just needs to add a braced knee which can be achieved through a small jump. However, it might be too far fetched to think that he can achieve that, as usually most bowlers struggle to change the lower half of their actions.

In his case, a burst style training regime- for the fast twitch fiber muscles- can help as it will improve his energy through the crease, improving arm speed.
As for the henry comparison; hasan is slower and shorter, but he definitely is a smarter and more rounded LOI bowler than the kiwi. [MENTION=139353]ChachaCricket[/MENTION]

Adding a jump like Bhatti's would give him more leverage and a braced leg would make him a 140k+ bowler.

He's got a pretty fast arm, that's where he's generating most of his pace. Just needs to brace better and you'll see that arm sling faster.

I reckon he needs to shorten his run up by 4-5 steps, he reaches peak momentum just before the crease. Loses a bit of energy there.

Agreed on the burst style training regime, fast bowlers like sprinters shouldn't be doing anything but explosive training.

 

[jailbird]

I have seen Sadaf bowl and he is decent enough to be given a chance. His pace is 133-137 kph, but he gets dis-comforting bounce, and has good skills with the ball, extracts both seam and swing. I watched his whole spell in recent final, and have seen him lots of times in the past too.

I dont care if he fails but i would rather give him a chance which he richly deserves rather than writing him off just because someone who thinks he is the encyclopedia of fast bowling says so.

As I said, I dont mind him getting a chance or two as he atleast has the numbers going for him- even if they were achieved with gray's balls on rainforest pitches of the diamond club ground.

He is no way near than fazl-e-Akbar who had similar stats, yet proved to be a failure at the int. level.

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[hur rizvi]

As I said, I dont mind in him getting a chance or two as he atleast has the numbers going for him- even if they were achieved with gray's balls on rainforest pitches of the diamond club ground.

He is no way near than fazl-e-Akbar who had similar stats, yet proved to be a failure at the int. level.

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Thats a myth that his performance has been limited to matches in Islamabad/Pindi. HE was the highest Wicket taker in the portion of List A tourney played in Karachi and Kookabura was used in that tourney. I will be happy to give up on him and move on if he fails after geting a long run and A-series in England will be perfect. If he doesnt deliver there he could be written off easily but without that all things will remain speculation.

He has better stats than Fazl-e-Akbar, who was unlucky IMO not to get a longer run but atleast got to play for Pakistan. He failed but wasnt given a consistent chance.

If Australia can give chance to Trent copeland (75 mph trundler) then why cant we try Sadaf Hussain?

 

[jailbird]

Adding a jump like Bhatti's would give him more leverage and a braced leg would make him a 140k+ bowler.

He's got a pretty fast arm, that's where he's generating most of his pace. Just needs to brace better and you'll see that arm sling faster.

I reckon he needs to shorten his run up by 4-5 steps, he reaches peak momentum just before the crease. Loses a bit of energy there.

Agreed on the burst style training regime, fast bowlers like sprinters shouldn't be doing anything but explosive training.

To add to that, he is a natural athlete and is great in the field.
If he can somehow add an extra 4-5 k's, he can have quite a long career in front of him.
As for the burst style training, I am not sure wicky bhai would be too thrilled about it, as it defies his holy 'cardio routine' that involves ground k 20 chakkar.
Ask , who has lost all his muscle, resulting in a loss of pace.



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[Ar7alan]

Sadaf Hussain deserve a chance before any other pacer

 

[ChachaCricket]

To add to that, he is a natural athlete and is great in the field.
If he can somehow add an extra 4-5 k's, he can have quite a long career in front of him.
As for the burst style training, I am not sure wicky bhai would be too thrilled about it, as it defies his holy 'cardio routine' that involves ground k 20 chakkar.
Ask , who has lost all his muscle, resulting in a loss of pace.



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Yep, loaded with fast twitch like Bhatti.

Yeah, Waqar is pretty stupid when it comes to training.

 

[jailbird]

Thats a myth that his performance has been limited to matches in Islamabad/Pindi. HE was the highest Wicket taker in the portion of List A tourney played in Karachi and Kookabura was used in that tourney. I will be happy to give up on him and move on if he fails after geting a long run and A-series in England will be perfect. If he doesnt deliver there he could be written off easily but without that all things will remain speculation.

He has better stats than Fazl-e-Akbar, who was unlucky IMO not to get a longer run but atleast got to play for Pakistan. He failed but wasnt given a consistent chance.

If Australia can give chance to Trent copeland (75 mph trundler) then why cant we try Sadaf Hussain?

if I am not wrong, most of those performances in karachi were on wickets with early morning moisture, conditions where a gun barrel straight bowler like looked like wasim.

I dont mind him getting a go, but I simply dont rate him.

His action is poor, with no strength in the front arm, while his lack of athleticism means that its even harder to rectify his faults, as his body wont hold up if he tries to sort it out

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[Canistani Hero]

Hasan Ali seems like a fine bowler, hope he can develop his movement and increase his pace by 5-10k, would become very effective. Hopefully will improve his batting as well and become a lower order option so we can do away with Anwar. Hasan-Wahab-Amir-Junaid would make for a terrific four pronged pace attack on any pace supporting deck

 

[ExplicitAI]

Hasan Ali looks like a bowler who'll eventually make his debut for the national team. I think that Nawaz is preferred over Asghar which is understandable.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

As I said, I dont mind him getting a chance or two as he atleast has the numbers going for him- even if they were achieved with gray's balls on rainforest pitches of the diamond club ground.

He is no way near than fazl-e-Akbar who had similar stats, yet proved to be a failure at the int. level.

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Bhaee aap k pichlay janum mein bhee meinay aapko samjhaya tha k Fazl e Akbar ko bohat late chance diya ga. Same was the case with Aizaz Cheema, Tanveer Ahmed & Abdul Rauf. Also some of the best players found their feet in international cricket after playing 15 plus international games.

I can say this thing on Oath that had Hashim Amla been a Pakistani we would have made him 1 or 2 test wonder and than dropped forever by saying he is just not good enough. Do you know what he averaged after first 5 test matches ?

And Sadaf has no comparison with Fazl e Akbar and Sami ullah Niazi because unlike them he has brilliant average and strike rate in both formats he has played. Lastly Sadaf has taken lots of wickets in all the grounds of wherever he has played in pakistan and also in Pakistan A abroad tours.

Please open cricket archive to check his averages. Every bowler flourishes more in helpful conditions you name it. And if Sadaf becomes more lethal on diamond or KRL ground than it is no different from other bowlers.

I know Sadaf is medium fast and only this point does not excite you but he compensates his lack of pace with his high arm action and height of 6'4 plus he swings the ball both ways and more importantly he is consistent with his line and length.

If pace is everything than Shaun Pollock , Glen McGrath, Verdon philander & Mohammad Asif would not have played international cricket.

 

[hadi123]

Wow. How far Hasan Ali has come!

 

[DRsohail]

Bhaee aap k pichlay janum mein bhee meinay aapko samjhaya tha k Fazl e Akbar ko bohat late chance diya ga. Same was the case with Aizaz Cheema, Tanveer Ahmed & Abdul Rauf. Also some of the best players found their feet in international cricket after playing 15 plus international games.

I can say this thing on Oath that had Hashim Amla been a Pakistani we would have made him 1 or 2 test wonder and than dropped forever by saying he is just not good enough. Do you know what he averaged after first 5 test matches ?

And Sadaf has no comparison with Fazl e Akbar and Sami ullah Niazi because unlike them he has brilliant average and strike rate in both formats he has played. Lastly Sadaf has taken lots of wickets in all the grounds of wherever he has played in pakistan and also in Pakistan A abroad tours.

Please open cricket archive to check his averages. Every bowler flourishes more in helpful conditions you name it. And if Sadaf becomes more lethal on diamond or KRL ground than it is no different from other bowlers.

I know Sadaf is medium fast and only this point does not excite you but he compensates his lack of pace with his high arm action and height of 6'4 plus he swings the ball both ways and more importantly he is consistent with his line and length.

If pace is everything than Shaun Pollock , Glen McGrath, Verdon philander & Mohammad Asif would not have played international cricket.

wah g kya yaad aayaaa.

 

[maxamax]

Wow. How far Hasan Ali has come!

And other one never got the chance.

 

[TeymurBlake]

I 100% agree that Mohammad Asghar will be joining Hasan Ali in the national team. I feel that Asghar is close but is currently competing with Raza Hasan. Asghar has always been around the team and is clearly a player that the management are interested in.

 

[Hedz]

Hasan Ali no doubt one of our best bowlers atm, most consistent definitely. He will definitely go on to be a major part of Pakistan bowling in all 3 formats.

Mohammad Asghar has had two very good PSLs. Ideally he should have already been given a go in T20Is ahead of Imad Wasim in the past year and a half. That hasn’t happened yet, but I hope he gets a chance before PSL3 (against New Zealand). Asghar if given a long run can potentially bowl in all 3 formats aswell. However, if he doesn’t get an opportunity before PSL3 and Raza Hasan has a good tournament, I’m afraid Asghar will have little opportunities to break into the national side in the near future