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Not sure if the period it's based on starts in January 1, but if it does, Hassan should be right up there among the contenders. 5fer in Australia, West Indies, leading wicket taker at CT, another 5fer against SL, and chipping in with 2-3 wickets in most of the other games
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VK could not deliver in the final.
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Virat Kohli will win.
The cutoff is SEPT 2017.
This means Hasan Ali only picked up 31 wickets.
The cutoff is SEPT 2017.
This means Hasan Ali only picked up 31 wickets.
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In contrast,
Between SEPT 2016-SEPT 2017...
Kohli averaged 90.35 and scored 1265 runs.
This won't be close. Kohli runs away with it.
Between SEPT 2016-SEPT 2017...
Kohli averaged 90.35 and scored 1265 runs.
This won't be close. Kohli runs away with it.
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That should simply eliminate other candidates. It's useless to argue against it.
The #1 ranked ODI bowler says bye
Funny, that's a good swift reply
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Kohli easily.
CT final and other stuffs dont even count anymore.
CT final and other stuffs dont even count anymore.
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These awards don't even matter... Kohli might win ODI player of the year, but Hasan was directly responsible for his side's victory in a world tournament while Kohli failed.
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Agreed.
CT win > ODI player of the year. I'm certain Kohli feels the same.
Hasan will collect "Emerging Player of the Year" nonetheless.
He hasnt delivered in big games or quality opposition. Just scoring against Aussies doesnt mean that he faced quality opposition.
Apni gali ka *****? Softies? Hasan did it on the flatest of tracks.
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ODI is geared for batsmans game.
But honestly think Hasan deserves it.
But honestly think Hasan deserves it.
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Hopefully ICC gives it to the CT MVP 
Which is why his achievements are the more impressive. I don't remember the last time a fast bowler won an award, certainly not in ODIs in the past 2-3 years
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The #1 ranked ODI bowler says bye
What a put down.
Anyone suggesting Pandya deserves POTY award is clearly deluded.
If bias carries on like this, like it always has. Point is Kohli failed in the biggest ODI match of the year.
What's the point of having all these soft runs when Mr. 'Just another cricket match' can't do it when it matters.
While those are great stats, there are a few other things that SHOULD be considered :
1- Nowadays easy runs can be scored in almost every part of the world, which can be seen by the 300 plus scores and tons of centuries scored in almost every match while restricting opponents below 300 is almost impossible. Thus Good blowing performances are far more valuable than Batting ones.
2- Kohli is a part of an Indian team which is well settled and has been dominating for quite a few years now while hasan ali came when pakistans odi side was perhaps at their lowest in history which is why his performances have been more obvious and that has to count for something.
3- Kohli himself is one of the greatest players of all time in the format and so is much more settled while hasan ali just made his debut about 2 months before this period.
4- Kohlis performances mostly came against weak lineups or favourable conditions i.e Newzealand and England at home(Easiest batting pitches in the world) Westindies and Srilanka Away(Probably the weakest ODI periods for these 2 teams too as can be seen), Champions trophy he performed great no doubts there. While hasan ali did them against somewhat better opposition and tougher conditions i.e Australia away(Pretty easy batting conditions nowadays) and champions trophy.
5- If only stats are to be looked at then perhaps the most deserving is Rashid Khan...the guy took 43 wickets in 16 matches at an average of 11 in his debut season. But no one is considering him because of the opposition he faced.
6- Finally Hasan ali performed at the biggest stage of the season and more importantly won the title for his country as well as the best player and bowler awards while kohli coudnt perform at the crunch time.
Sorry for the long post but i just wanted to get the point out not that i care about these stupid awards(nor do the players). These awards have always been lame and biased which i have numerous examples of but anyways i feel hasan ali deserves it more over kohli.
Also dont get me wrong im probably one of the biggest fans of kohlis batting just feel that he doesnt deserve it this year.
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He's blowing away the competition.
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If he won it, you couldn't argue against it. It would be well deserved.
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While those are great stats, there are a few other things that SHOULD be considered :
1- Nowadays easy runs can be scored in almost every part of the world, which can be seen by the 300 plus scores and tons of centuries scored in almost every match while restricting opponents below 300 is almost impossible. Thus Good blowing performances are far more valuable than Batting ones.
2- Kohli is a part of an Indian team which is well settled and has been dominating for quite a few years now while hasan ali came when pakistans odi side was perhaps at their lowest in history which is why his performances have been more obvious and that has to count for something.
3- Kohli himself is one of the greatest players of all time in the format and so is much more settled while hasan ali just made his debut about 2 months before this period.
4- Kohlis performances mostly came against weak lineups or favourable conditions i.e Newzealand and England at home(Easiest batting pitches in the world) Westindies and Srilanka Away(Probably the weakest ODI periods for these 2 teams too as can be seen), Champions trophy he performed great no doubts there. While hasan ali did them against somewhat better opposition and tougher conditions i.e Australia away(Pretty easy batting conditions nowadays) and champions trophy.
5- If only stats are to be looked at then perhaps the most deserving is Rashid Khan...the guy took 43 wickets in 16 matches at an average of 11 in his debut season. But no one is considering him because of the opposition he faced.
6- Finally Hasan ali performed at the biggest stage of the season and more importantly won the title for his country as well as the best player and bowler awards while kohli coudnt perform at the crunch time.
Sorry for the long post but i just wanted to get the point out not that i care about these stupid awards(nor do the players). These awards have always been lame and biased which i have numerous examples of but anyways i feel hasan ali deserves it more over kohli.
Also dont get me wrong im probably one of the biggest fans of kohlis batting just feel that he doesnt deserve it this year.
I completely understand your point and don't actually disagree with it.
BUT 90+ average is downright monstrous in any generation. That's a century a game over an entire year.
There's no way they'll let the award go to anyone other than Kohli.
Maybe if Hasan Ali's current wickets counted, it would be closer but the cut-off point screwed him over.
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Agreed, but I'm certain ICC doesn't weigh the stature of a match in such awards.
Plus, he still averaged 129.00 in the CT.
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Exactly, especially in the last 10 years when nearly everything has gone in favour of the batsman.
These stats are not unheard of in this era to be honest, stats are inflated by alot of things. You will find these stats attributed to all the players, including his teammates Rohit Sharma, Shikhar Dhawan, whereas I'm pretty sure Steven Smith and ABD have had these stats before when they became player's of the year.
If you want to attribute something that is not associated with top teams, its that Hassan's performance was the main reason a no.8 ranked team who was in danger of qualification for 2019 WC became Champions of CT 2017.
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Kohli will probably win it.
Who cares about these awards.
Also who cares about rankings?
Edit: sorry didn't realize Hasan Ali was #1.
Who cares about these awards.
Also who cares about rankings?
Edit: sorry didn't realize Hasan Ali was #1.
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What a put down.
Anyone suggesting Pandya deserves POTY award is clearly deluded.
I think he does deserve that award if you put it that way
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That's a tad unfair.
Kohli has an average of 90.35 between SEPT 2016-2017.
Next best batsman is sitting at 70.21 (Joe Root).
That's a crazy gap in any era, which is then topped with his average in the CT. It's all about adding things together and he definitely will retain his "ODI Player of the Year" title because of that.
Plus, he's captained IND to 2nd place in ODI rankings.
Hasan Ali's 31 wickets in the same time span just don't cut it unfortunately.
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I hadn't realized Root has been that good in ODIs in the last year. A phenomenal batsman who is not getting the hype because he is competing with an ODI GOAT in the making.
valid point but he also has 9 not outs compared to 3-4 for everyone else which has skewed his average which can be associated with the better batsman around him...as such warner in second has about 150-200 less runs than kohli in way less matches with more centuries but his average is low because of just a few not outs.
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I disagree.
85*
154*
81*
76*
96*
32*
111*
110*
82*
How can a top order batsman be penalized for these Not Outs? He carried his bat in those innings.
As for David Warner, I feel his downfall was the CT performance. He flopped hard by averaging 29.88.
AB De Villers in 2017 - Average of 116.56
Steven Smith in 2016 - Average of 89.18
Steven Smith in 2014 - Average of 88.40
AB De Villers in 2016 - Average of 90.64
Ab De Villers in 2015 (ODI player of the year too) - Average of 137.92
Joe Root in 2016 - Average of 91.81
Joe Root in 2017 - Average of 92.13
Joe Root in 2015 - Average of 91.18
I think I have proved my point in that these stats are not unheard of.
All top players are hovering around the same mark.
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For Hasan to win the CT and get the Bolwer of the Tournamnet award after 10 months into his international career is amazing. Not to mention the highest wicket-taker of 2017 and has literally became the spearhead in an attack that has Amir and Junaid.
My bad these stats above are wrong!!! [MENTION=8597]kingusama92[/MENTION]
However ABD in 2012 - Average of 107.5
ABD in 2015 - Average of 79.53
Joe root in 2017 - Average of 70.21
Hashim Amla in 2012 - Average o 84.75
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I completely understand your point.
Let me put it this way.
Virat won last year (Sept 21 2015-Sept 21 2016) with a simple average of 62.60.
If Virat coud win it then, he'll win it this year too. The ICC appears to put a lot of weight into captaincy and Virat's numbers have only gotten better this time around.
I feel Hasan Ali had a much better shot if they counted the entire calendar year. Unfortunately, the SEPT 21 cutoff date has left him short while making Kohli's numbers even stronger.
I agree on that part. Stats will play a big role.
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Defo deserves it. Been the standout performer in ODIs past 12 mths for mine. Plus has a CT title as well to back it up.
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Should add to that he was the highest wicket taker and Player of the series last CT as well. Not a bad effort that!
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^^
Cut off date for ICC awards is SEPT 21st not OCT 21st.
Cut off date for ICC awards is SEPT 21st not OCT 21st.
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Defo deserves it. Been the standout performer in ODIs past 12 mths for mine. Plus has a CT title as well to back it up.
Most wickets, Most Five-fors, the best average, The best SR and the third best economy to go along with a Global trophy. If that doesn't win you an award (although it's as meaningless as it gets) I don't really know what does then......
Plus the lad debuted no more than a year ago and to have such numbers with just pure skill (no mystery et al) is just mind boggling to say the least.
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I was just talking about the last 12 months champ.
Either way given his heroics last CT he should be the front-runner for mine.
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Gem of a find for Pakistan no doubt.
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In the current era bowling average of around 16, 17 for an year is atleast equivalent to batting average of 90 for one year if not better.
Considering the wickets cricket is played on bowler averaging under 20 is as monsterous a performance as it gets.
Also if you compare it with the performance of bowlers in the last 5 years its right at the top which is not the case with Kohli's performance as such averages have been a norm of last 5 years.
So its pretty obvious who deserves it but with ICC you never know.
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I think that might go to Pandya, and understandably so considering Hasan has already EMERGED and conquered.
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Most people are missing this gem of a point.
Lets take into consideration the following factors:
1) We are playing in an era when batsmen dominate the game.
2) Shorter boundaries, flatter wickets, batsman friendly rules, bigger bats and better batting in general.
3) The next best bowler is miles away.
4) No other fast bowler has had this good a shot to the award in a long time, apart from maybe Starc.
5) Performed in clutch games.
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OdI player of the year this decade :
2010- AB de Villiers
2011- Kumar Sangakkara
2012- Virat Kohli
2013- Kumar Sangakkara
2014- AB de Villiers
2015- AB de Villiers
2016- Virat Kohli
2010- AB de Villiers
2011- Kumar Sangakkara
2012- Virat Kohli
2013- Kumar Sangakkara
2014- AB de Villiers
2015- AB de Villiers
2016- Virat Kohli
My point is that having a better batting unit gives you the license to play with freedom as you know even if you get out youl still have players that will probably win it(consider babar for example, he cant play with freedom cz he knows if he gets out pakistan looses)....and not outs dont take anything away from him just inflate his average something that isnt the case with hasan whose average is just what it says. Also due to the better batsmen around him most of the times he doesnt have to do it all on his own and has a little less responsibility on his shoulders. But i get your point as nowadays bowlers are not given the respect they deserve while everything favours the batsmen, 100s are far more valuable than 5ers and that is why the quality of bowling is going down significantly.
There is no way Pandya should even come close to Hasan in that category...just compare the stats for the period and as both qualify for the criteria there isnt much to be made for pandyas case. BUT having said that i wont be surprised if he wins it as these awards favour the indians over anyone else, just last year jadeja was nominated in the ODI team having played 1 5 match series against australia with a total of 45 runs and 3 Wickets (LOL). This is just 1 of numerous cases
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That doesnt matter because it includes the CT, in which Hasan was chief destroyer, the best and most entertaining guy on show and THE reason for Pakistan winning the tournament.
He should win ODI player of the years, bowler of the year and emerging player of the year. In the final category, his only real competition is Rabada, who looked out of sorts against England and has under performed in ODIs compared to Hasan, Rashid and Plunkett.
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I know. That's what I said. Hasan is clearly above him and that category even.
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As we can see here, ODIs have become batsmen game.So, we know what the result is going to be. The posters can keep on arguing between Hasan and Pandya.
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Ideally Hasan should win because it's a tough world for bowlers, batsmen have it so much easier, especially Kohli on those tracks
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Hasan Ali in the qualification period,
34 wickets - ER 5.3 - Avg 20
In this period, he has played 3 ODI series and CT. 1 series against WI(ER was 5.5), 1 vs Aus ( ER 6.8), 1 Vs WI ( ER 4) , CT ( ER 4.3).
ICC ranking puts lots of emphasis in ER of bowlers when calculating ranking. If ICC uses similar process then Ali has one good Series vs WI(9th rank team),and good performance in CT. I don't think that performance against WI is going to count for much, so it's CT.
It will come down to if ICC think that 4-5 matches in CT is good enough to give anyone player of the year award. I personally don't think they will do it.
34 wickets - ER 5.3 - Avg 20
In this period, he has played 3 ODI series and CT. 1 series against WI(ER was 5.5), 1 vs Aus ( ER 6.8), 1 Vs WI ( ER 4) , CT ( ER 4.3).
ICC ranking puts lots of emphasis in ER of bowlers when calculating ranking. If ICC uses similar process then Ali has one good Series vs WI(9th rank team),and good performance in CT. I don't think that performance against WI is going to count for much, so it's CT.
It will come down to if ICC think that 4-5 matches in CT is good enough to give anyone player of the year award. I personally don't think they will do it.
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Yeah, it's just not enough.
ODI Player of the Year is not going to happen. That's Kohli's.
BUT he does have a real chance for the "Emerging Player of the Year." It's him or Pandya.
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He should be a strong contender for the Emerging Player of the Year.
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There is no way in hell they will give higher weightage to CT. It is no world cup. Just for 5 matches he won't get any weightage. It is not really stand out period all the way. It was more like he had 3 or 4 good matches in a row.
Thats the total number of matches from knockouts to the final. They have alot of weightage, if I'm not wrong this is the biggest cricketing event of the year.
Or if you also doubt that then see the viewership records set for the India vs Pakistan final.
If it didn't have any weightage MSD won't be winning people's choice award from ICC in 2013
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