Greatest ODI team of your country to not win a World Cup?

[Ab Fan]

Alright, this should be a fun exercise. The criteria is player should have played atleast 1 World Cup match.

I will start with India. You can post the XI of your nation as well as any other nation you like.

Here is India’s greatest ODI XI to not win a World Cup:

1. Rohit Sharma*
2. Shikhar Dhawan
3. Saurav Ganguly
4. Mohammad Azharuddin
5. Rahul Dravid+
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja/Irfan Pathan
8. Anil Kumble
9. Kuldeep Yadav
10. Mohammad Shami
11. Jasprit Bumrah

 

[jnaveen1980]

SHami is the unluckiest guy thanks to batsmen and captaincy ( for dropping him in 2019 semi final). Had 3 gun world cups in a row. Yet couldn't lay hands on a world cup.

 

[Ab Fan]

SHami is the unluckiest guy thanks to batsmen and captaincy ( for dropping him in 2019 semi final). Had 3 gun world cups in a row. Yet couldn't lay hands on a world cup.

Yeah pretty unlucky. Should have played 2019 semis. The conditions would have helped him.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Zaheer Abbas
3. Babar Azam
4. Mohammed Yousuf
5. Shoaib Malik
6. Rizwan (WK)
7. Shahid Afridi
8. Abdul Razzaq
9. Waqar Younis
10. Shoaib Akhtar
11. Saqlain Mushtaq

12. Saeed Ajmal

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This would be a hard excercise to complete for Australian team

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This would be a hard excercise to complete for Australian team

Shaun Marsh
Usman Khawaja
Ian Chappell
Greg Chappell
Cameron White
David Hussey
Matthew Wade/Ian Healy
Nathan Hauritz
Terry Alderman
Geoff Lawson
DK Lillee

 

[sweep_shot]

I think BD's 2019 team had the best batting while current team have the best bowling.

Again, I am saying in relative to BD's low standard. By world standard, it is obviously not very high quality.

Here is BD's best ODI team that could've done well in a hypothetical ODI WC:

Tamim
Ashraful
Litton
Shakib
Mushfiq (wk)
Mahmudullah
Miraz
Mohammad Rafique
Mashrafe (c)
Taskin
Mustafiz

 

[jaisan]

Shaun Marsh
Usman Khawaja
Ian Chappell
Greg Chappell
Cameron White
David Hussey
Matthew Wade/Ian Healy
Nathan Hauritz
Terry Alderman
Geoff Lawson
DK Lillee

Marsh khawaja d hussey hauritz. Did they play Odi world cup.. I dont think so

 

[Bhaijaan]

Shaun Marsh
Usman Khawaja
Ian Chappell
Greg Chappell
Cameron White
David Hussey
Matthew Wade/Ian Healy
Nathan Hauritz
Terry Alderman
Geoff Lawson
DK Lillee

If there’s a World Cup of all these non winners, these Aussies might still emerge victorious from this group too.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Bit of a cruel thread this and not an inclusive one. If as a player you have won any ICC tournament, then it shouldn’t held against you that you didn’t win a CWC.

Ganguly, Malik, Lara, Babar, Dravid etc have all won the Chanpions Trophy. Jadeja and Rohit have won 2 of them. They’ve all been world champions.

Also 1985 World Series (India), 1989 Nehru Cup (Pakistan) were also champions trophy level tournaments.

 

[sithb]

I'm including T20 WC wins in this one, Just to make it more challenging for myself to choose a squad otherwise my team will likely be the same team as that of the thread starter. A T20 WC is rated highly too. And probably will be the only world cup worth winning after the ODI's are increasingly made redundant. Also not including any current players.


Dhawan
Navjot Singh Sidhu
Ganguly
Dravid (w)
Azharuddin
Ajay Jadeja
Robin Singh
Agarkar
Srinath
Shami
Kumble

 

[Ab Fan]

Shaun Marsh
Usman Khawaja
Ian Chappell
Greg Chappell
Cameron White
David Hussey
Matthew Wade/Ian Healy
Nathan Hauritz
Terry Alderman
Geoff Lawson
DK Lillee

Nathan Lyon
Jason Behendroff

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Nathan Lyon
Jason Behendroff

Lyon averaged 46 with the ball. Hauritz was better with ball and a better batsman as well

There's a case for removing Lawson though. Now that I think of it, Bollinger, Len Pascoe and a couple of others who were better.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

If there’s a World Cup of all these non winners, these Aussies might still emerge victorious from this group too.

Even if they had competed against other World Cup winning sides, this group would even challenge some of those teams.

They've always had ridiculous depth for ODI cricket.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Even if they had competed against other World Cup winning sides, this group would even challenge some of those teams.

They've always had ridiculous depth for ODI cricket.

It’s the mindset.
Almost all Australian players have a minimum 2-4 years peak period where they contribute to winning trophies. The way they play, the mentality is like that. All it takes is 2-3 players to step up in a big way on a given day and they manage it better than anyone else. Over 10-15 years time they end up having similar stats like other nation players but for 2-4 years time minimum they’re trophy winning performers. Talk about Watson,
Mitch Marsh, Wade etc like players. Overall the record isn’t all that but for a brief period they have been trophy deciding performers.

A lot to learn from for some of our guys like Rahul, Pant etc who were more gifted at their peaks but didn’t express themselves fearlessly when it mattered.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan’s 2023 World Cup team

According to the “experts” at pro sports, this was Pakistan’s golden generation of players just like Spain Football’s golden generation with Xavi and Iniesta

 

[Rana]

Salman Butt
Kamran Akmal (wk)
Younis Khan
Mohammad Yousuf
Inzimam ul Haq
Shoaib Malik
Shahid Afridi
Abdul Razzaq
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammad Asif
Rana Naveed

This was supposed to be Pakistan’s starting XI they were building towards for the 2007 World Cup. Phenomenal ODI side!

All the backwas BTS ruined everything!

 

[harshjoshi87]

Team India 2007 World Cup

Ganguly
Uthappa
Sehwag
Sachin
Dravid (c)
Yuvraj
Dhoni (wk)
Harbhajan
Agarkar
Zaheer
Munaf

A balanced side with lot of floaters, part timers. Couldn't even cross the 1st round.

 

[Sachin fan]

Team India 2007 World Cup

Ganguly
Uthappa
Sehwag
Sachin
Dravid (c)
Yuvraj
Dhoni (wk)
Harbhajan
Agarkar
Zaheer
Munaf

A balanced side with lot of floaters, part timers. Couldn't even cross the 1st round.

I dont think thats what OP means. They mean a team with players who have never won the world cup ever. Sachin, Dhoni, etc have all won a world cup

 

[harshjoshi87]

I dont think thats what OP means. They mean a team with players who have never won the world cup ever. Sachin, Dhoni, etc have all won a world cup

This team had it in them to go all the way but......

 

[Rana]

I dont think thats what OP means. They mean a team with players who have never won the world cup ever. Sachin, Dhoni, etc have all won a world cup

I thought he meant teams for a particular competition that should have won it.

Pakistan's 2007 world cup team or what should have been the team on paper was stronger, experienced and more balanced than the 1992, 96 (maybe not sure), 99, 2003 and 2011 sides.

The 2015 team was a joke by then.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

1999 Pakistan team for sure. That team had everything; good batsmen, quality all-rounders, one of the best ODI spinners in the world, world-class pace attack. I mean, freakin' Waqar Younis was on the bench.

1987 Pakistan side was also very good.

 

[sithb]

The 87 and 99 Pakistan teams were stronger on paper than the 92 world cup winning teams.

 

[sithb]

If looking for the strongest squad to not win a world cup for India. It has to be the 2023 world cup squad. Won every match and simply failed where it counted.

 

[sithb]

1999 Pakistan team for sure. That team had everything; good batsmen, quality all-rounders, one of the best ODI spinners in the world, world-class pace attack. I mean, freakin' Waqar Younis was on the bench.

Just Pakistan's bad luck that they had to reckon with two other strong teams that world cup. Australia and South Africa.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Just Pakistan's bad luck that they had to reckon with two other strong teams that world cup. Australia and South Africa.

Not Australia, only South Africa.

Australia were beaten by Pakistan & New Zealand in group stage.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Just Pakistan's bad luck that they had to reckon with two other strong teams that world cup. Australia and South Africa.

I think South Africa was probably the strongest overall side in that tournament. Australia were very good, but not one of the best sides. I believe Australia had lost their first few games and even lost to Pakistan in the Super Sixes.

Then they went on an incredible run and won all their remaining matches.

 

[sithb]

Not Australia, only South Africa.

Australia were beaten by Pakistan & New Zealand in group

Not Australia, only South Africa.

Australia were beaten by Pakistan & New Zealand in group stage.

Don't know how to remove the initial quote but Pakistan lost to Bangladesh and India in that world cup as well.

 

[Ab Fan]

2019 NZ, anyone?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

All-time I think it's easily India in 2023.

West Indies not winning in 1983 was also a big upset but that team had already won 2 World Cups at that point so not the same.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

2019 NZ, anyone?

I don't think NZ were even the second best team in that tournament. On paper, England were by far the strongest and India were second best.

 

[AZulfi]

1987 team (at home) under Imran
1999 team (England) under Wasim

 

[Major]

Lets make Akhtar the team captain of this team. Kahi tou uda deydo becharay ko

 

[sithb]

I think South Africa was probably the strongest overall side in that tournament. Australia were very good, but not one of the best sides. I believe Australia had lost their first few games and even lost to Pakistan in the Super Sixes.

Then they went on an incredible run and won all their remaining matches.

Just a very strong three teams which went heading into that world cup. The strongest team would probably win because of the Aussies and their habit of picking up the game when it mattered most.

 

[sithb]

2019 NZ, anyone?

NZ looked better than they did because they played their matches in their small grounds.

The minute they had to go for the bigger grounds , they choker.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Just a very strong three teams which went heading into that world cup. The strongest team would probably win because of the Aussies and their habit of picking up the game when it mattered most.

Aussies don't have to be the best team. Their state of mind and ability to handle pressure is just above other teams. 2023 is probably the best example.

 

[sithb]

Aussies don't have to be the best team. Their state of mind and ability to handle pressure is just above other teams. 2023 is probably the best example.

Real Madrid of Champions league final teams

 

[saimayubera]

I think if you make it no ICC trophies won Pakistan have a very strong team.

Saeed Anwar
Waqar Younis
Zaheer Abbas
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammed Yousuf

 

[Ab Fan]

NZ looked better than they did because they played their matches in their small grounds.

The minute they had to go for the bigger grounds , they choker.

That was in 2015.

 

[sithb]

That was in 2015.

Realised that as soon as I posted it..my bad

 

[saimayubera]

I think if you make it no ICC trophies won Pakistan have a very strong team.

Saeed Anwar
Waqar Younis
Zaheer Abbas
Shoaib Akhtar
Mohammed Yousuf

Saqlain too.

Rizwan and Shaheen amongst current players.

I think biggest Indian player to never win an ICC title is Azhar.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Saqlain too.

Rizwan and Shaheen amongst current players.

I think biggest Indian player to never win an ICC title is Azhar.

Azhar & Ajay Jadeja

 

[harshjoshi87]

I think South Africa was probably the strongest overall side in that tournament. Australia were very good, but not one of the best sides. I believe Australia had lost their first few games and even lost to Pakistan in the Super Sixes.

Then they went on an incredible run and won all their remaining matches.

South Africa should have won that World Cup, easily the best ODI team from 1996-1999.

 

[Ab Fan]

All country combined:-

Rohit Sharma ( still active)
Saeed Anwar
Zaheer Abbas/ Brian Lara
AB de Villiers
David Miller
Andrew Flintoff
Lance Klusener
Shaun Pollock
Saqlain Mushtaq
Curtly Ambrose
Allan Donald

 

[Ab Fan]

England XI :-

Marcus Tescrothik
Graham Gooch(c)
Ian Bell
Kevin Pietersen
Allan Lamb
Andrew Flintoff
Alec Stewart(wk)
Ian Botham
Graeme Swann
Darren Gough
James Anderson

 

[charlie007]

If this post is asking for a TEAM that didn’t win a world cup, then that has to be the West Indies 1983 WC finals team:

Gordon Greenidge
Desmond Haynes
Viv Richards
Clive Lloyd
Faoud Bacchus
Larry Gomes
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Andy Roberts
Joel Garner
Michael Holding

 

[VForVendetta]

1. Saeed Anwar
2. Fakhar Zaman★
3. Zaheer Abbas
4. Mohammed Yousuf
5. Shoaib Malik (VC)
6. Umar Akmal (WK)★
7. Shahid Afridi (C)
8. Abdul Razzaq
9. Waqar Younis
10. Shoaib Akhtar
11. Saqlain Mushtaq

12. Saeed Ajmal

I believe now you have a better chance of winning the championship, as you have got all bases covered. It's a more balanced unit frankly. Of course not everyone will be able to let go of the RizBar temptation.

 

[Josh]

In cricket world cup should not be that important for legacy as it is in Football. Cricket has been mostly played between national teams and professional league cricket is still relatively new and international cricket is given priority by almost all the cricketers.

 

[VForVendetta]

Alright, this should be a fun exercise. The criteria is player should have played atleast 1 World Cup match.

I will start with India. You can post the XI of your nation as well as any other nation you like.

Here is India’s greatest ODI XI to not win a World Cup:

1. Rohit Sharma*
2. Shikhar Dhawan
3. Saurav Ganguly
4. Mohammad Azharuddin
5. Rahul Dravid+
6. Hardik Pandya
7. Ravindra Jadeja/Irfan Pathan
8. Anil Kumble
9. Kuldeep Yadav
10. Mohammad Shami
11. Jasprit Bumrah

Great team, only thing I would change is the captaincy, I would give the batton to Sourav, whereas Rohit would be the vice.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I believe now you have a better chance of winning the championship, as you have got all bases covered. It's a more balanced unit frankly. Of course not everyone will be able to let go of the RizBar temptation.

Fakhar is a good shout to slot in, I forgot all about him when making the team but he 100% should make it.

I know things are anti RizBar at the moment but I'm not at the point yet where I would select Umar over him in a world cup match as a keeper.

 

[Hitman]

If this post is asking for a TEAM that didn’t win a world cup, then that has to be the West Indies 1983 WC finals team:

Gordon Greenidge
Desmond Haynes
Viv Richards
Clive Lloyd
Faoud Bacchus
Larry Gomes
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Andy Roberts
Joel Garner
Michael Holding

So nice to realize that India defeated that West Indies team twice in the 1983 World Cup.

 

[harshjoshi87]

If this post is asking for a TEAM that didn’t win a world cup, then that has to be the West Indies 1983 WC finals team:

Gordon Greenidge
Desmond Haynes
Viv Richards
Clive Lloyd
Faoud Bacchus
Larry Gomes
Jeff Dujon
Malcolm Marshall
Andy Roberts
Joel Garner
Michael Holding

Most of these guys had won in 1975 & 1979.

 

[charlie007]

Most of these guys had won in 1975 & 1979.

Yeah, the question could have been phrased a little better. I got confused from the heading.

Perhaps,

XI of the greatest ODI players making a hypothetical team from a country not to have ever won a World Cup as a player

 

[hassan918]

Team Pakistan in 1999. It was filled with the top quality players.

 

[Katwalindian]

Pakistan 2019....I was there whole world cup...its like God was working against Pakistan to not let them into semis....easy far better side than NZ.......

 

[GudduBadmash]

Saaed Anwar
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Yousuf
Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Saqlain Mushtaq

 

[GudduBadmash]

i know why you are laughing but these wicket keeper stats speak for themselves @Rana

Only the truly deluded pick the other 4 ahead of Rizwan

 

[Rana]

i know why you are laughing but these wicket keeper stats speak for themselves @Rana

Only the truly deluded pick the other 4 ahead of Rizwan

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Yeah so how do Pakistan win ICC tournaments with supposedly inferior keeper/batsmen to Rizwan?

Explain it.

 

[Rana]

Saaed Anwar
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Yousuf
Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Saqlain Mushtaq

Aik Gandi machli

Poora talaab Ganda Kar deti hai.

Who am I referring to?

 

[sithb]

Saaed Anwar
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Yousuf
Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
Abdul Razzaq
Shahid Afridi
Waqar Younis
Shoaib Akhtar
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Saqlain Mushtaq

Azhar Mahmood and Mohd Asif in place of Fakhar and Shaheen Shah Afridi

It's not exactly a like to like replacement but Mahmood is a very capable all-rounder at his best and Asif absolutely is a much better bowler than Shaheen Shah

I'd even look at someone like Rashid Latif / Moin Khan in place of Rizwan.

 

[sithb]

Only the truly deluded pick the other 4 ahead of Rizwan

Not really. With the other cricketers around , you don't need your wicketkeeper batting at 5. Rizwan's batting is not required.

Likes of Moin and Rashid are far better keepers

 

[sithb]

Anwar
Afridi
Yousuf
Babar
Razzaq
Mahmood
Moin
Waqar
Akthar
Saqlain
Asif

Slightly tilted to bowling but you really don't need an extra batsman in place of the bowler with this bowling attack.

 

[sithb]

I think biggest Indian player to never win an ICC title is Azhar.

Dravid , Laxman , Ganguly , Kumble , Srinath

Unless you are counting a 2002 CT win which was tied.

 

[saimayubera]

Dravid , Laxman , Ganguly , Kumble , Srinath

Unless you are counting a 2002 CT win which was tied.

Yeah. That is still a win and they are counted as winners officially.

 

[harshjoshi87]

Dravid , Laxman , Ganguly , Kumble , Srinath

Unless you are counting a 2002 CT win which was tied.

The trophy was shared. India would have won that final easily. Twice in two days, SL only managed 220 in 1st innings. Rain spoiled the final on both evenings.

 

[JaDed]

ODi:
Saurav
Dravid
Robin Singh
Rohit
Dhawan
A Jadeja
Kaif
Kumble
Bumrah
Pandya
Srinath

 

[sweep_shot]

i know why you are laughing but these wicket keeper stats speak for themselves @Rana

Only the truly deluded pick the other 4 ahead of Rizwan

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I think it is not right to compare players across eras. They have faced different challenges.

For example, during Moin's time, there was no DRS and umpires were often biased. It was also a period when there was no T20 and teams used to field their full sides during bilaterals.

Stats across different eras may not give us an accurate picture.

 

[giri26]

Saurav Ganguly
Shikhar Dhawan
Rohit Sharma
M Azharuddin
A Jadeja
R Dravid (WK)
R Jadeja
H Pandya
A Kumble
Srinath
Bumrah