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This is a thread created for all those who consider Hashim Amla the best batsmen of this era In LOI.
Again tonight is a pressure match for amla tp prove he is not a Choker. Even though my gut feeling says he will fail like everytime he has failed in big match pressure matches. I feel tonight is his big test and same goea for A B develiiers.
 
He won't choke. The title should be "Hashim Amla in India matches"... He will score a double century!
 
One match does not define a career. Amla is a great ODI player irrespective of how he performs today. Whether he is definitely the best of this era is yet to be seen as his career isn't over yet, (maybe we can discuss that in next 10 years) but he definitely is one of the bests of this era.

Hope he gets out early though :D
 
Messi has not won a world cup for Argentina and his world cup performances were mediocre.
Messi is still considered an alltime great footballer

Amla may fail today but he is still a great batsman
 
TahirFan said:
Messi has not won a world cup for Argentina and his world cup performances were mediocre.
Messi is still considered an alltime great footballer

Amla may fail today but he is still a great batsman
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Exactly.

Too much scrutiny on Amla on these forums, from some just because he sports a beard.

The guy just scored a century in opening game. For whats it worth, Warner has 25 odd average in ICC tournaments (way worse than Amla), yet he does not face the kind of scrutiny that Amla faces
 
TahirFan said:
Messi has not won a world cup for Argentina and his world cup performances were mediocre.
Messi is still considered an alltime great footballer

Amla may fail today but he is still a great batsman
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Cricket is different than football. Here players are judged on how they perform in big matches because everyone has an equal opportunity to contribute while in football its more or less a matter of chance that one gets an opportunity to score a goal.
 
Noobosauras said:
One match does not define a career. Amla is a great ODI player irrespective of how he performs today. Whether he is definitely the best of this era is yet to be seen as his career isn't over yet, (maybe we can discuss that in next 10 years) but he definitely is one of the bests of this era.

Hope he gets out early though :D
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He is a good batsmen .. you can call him a run machine but still failing under pressure is the mole on his career. everygreat player has won pressure matches for their respective country whether its sachin in 2003 or sharjah 98 or javed miadad hitting a final ball six. These are matches which are remembered for fir ever. Hashim hasnt done anything like this. and its a shame for his career
 
KyoOne said:
Exactly.

Too much scrutiny on Amla on these forums, from some just because he sports a beard.

The guy just scored a century in opening game. For whats it worth, Warner has 25 odd average in ICC tournaments (way worse than Amla), yet he does not face the kind of scrutiny that Amla faces
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i have a beard as well.. it has nothing to do with it... First match was a easy ine with no pressure. but today is a day when heroes will be created. Can he bear the pressure and come up with a match winning perfor.ance?
 
This match is a pressure Test for Amla, AB and South African team in general.
 
Every match you play for your country is a pressure match. Amla is a legend and will remain so even if he fails this.
 
Lol Amla fans trying to unwind the hype because they are sure their Champ is most likely to fail in an important match.

Koi confidence hi nahi hai AMLA pe :))
 
He's done in test matches under far more pressure .

Has a great chance to win the match today against an average bowling line up .
 
Tuk Tuk Amla already under pressure.

If only it was another bi-lateral match against SL.
 
16 balls 4 runs now... think if azhar ali has done that.. just think what would b the reaction..
 
11 of 30 so far.

Maybe the professor gave him some secrets :)
 
Really struggling at the moment but he's still there.
 
30-odd runs in over 50 balls in a pressure game.

Back to the bilaterals you go...
 
Gone for 35 of 53 balls... when the time was right to attack.. Hashim Amla failed once againnnnnnn...
Now will what other superstar AbD does...
 
35 off 52. It's upto you to decide if it's a choker. Amla's biggest fan would be calling it a choke if Kohli played such an innings.

Let's see how he defends this innings
 
All that luck, and still ends up playing a horrible ugly inning. :amla
 
Amla is the anti-Dhawan. Cometh the big tournament, he and de Villiers go missing while they make merry in JAMODI series.
 
Amla just doesn't deliver in pressure game but still a top batsmen.
 
Cricinfo commentary - Decent knock from Amla

What are they smoking, SR of 60 and throwing away his wicket.
 
He got out and its a failure not a choke.Not every thing is a choke. He got out to Ashwin.
 
Time to accept he just isn't a big game player. Yes he has brilliant stats but when the pressure was on he went missing.

A good odis player but we'll behind the likes of Ponting, Sachin,Lara. Also he is behind the likes of Gilly, Sanath, Gibbs,and Anwar for me.
 
Ab Fan said:
He got out and its a failure not a choke.Not every thing is a choke. He got out to Ashwin.
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His overall icc record isn't good enough. Yes sometimes he failed but there were enough chokes in there to class him as a choker.

No use in defending such a poor record
 
Amla is nowhere near the ODI greats of the game, softest 7000 runs ever, if you remove west indies then his average falls to 45( which is good but nowhere near great)
 
todfod 11 said:
Sachin was atleast 50 50 in pressure match but Amla is 0% till date
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Sachin literally carried his team to the semis in 96 world cup, carried the team to finals in the 2003 world, Sachin is a very good players under pressure, 2 world cup finals don't change this fact.
 
Varun said:
Amla is the anti-Dhawan. Cometh the big tournament, he and de Villiers go missing while they make merry in JAMODI series.
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Except AB has the highest average of all the greats in WCs (20 innings minimum). How do you explain that?
 
Let's see what his opening partner have to offer today. 44 off 60 today currently.
 
TahirFan said:
Messi has not won a world cup for Argentina and his world cup performances were mediocre.
Messi is still considered an alltime great footballer

Amla may fail today but he is still a great batsman
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His World Cup performances have hardly been mediocre

Stop peddling lies

He won the best player award for 2014 WC and while you can debate whether he was a deserving winner or not it is not up for debate that he had a fantastic tournament overall
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Except AB has the highest average of all the greats in WCs (20 innings minimum). How do you explain that?
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West Indies + minnows, remove windies and minnow his average falls to 43 , count how many batsmen are above devilliers

stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=runs;template=results;trophy=12;type=batting
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Sachin literally carried his team to the semis in 96 world cup, carried the team to finals in the 2003 world, Sachin is a very good players under pressure, 2 world cup finals don't change this fact.
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The two World Cup finals are the biggest games he has played
 
Slog said:
The two World Cup finals are the biggest games he has played
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That's why sachin is very good under pressure, if he had performed in the finals too then he would have been one of the greatest player under pressure.
 
Ozymandiasza said:
Except AB has the highest average of all the greats in WCs (20 innings minimum). How do you explain that?
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How far does the average drop when you remove the inevitable minnows who pervade those WCs?
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
West Indies + minnows, remove windies and minnow his average falls to 43 , count how many batsmen are above devilliers

stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=2;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=runs;template=results;trophy=12;type=batting
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That's still a very good average, far from going "missing".
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Sachin is alright in pressure situation, he's no Kohli but no Amla either
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Yeah but he repeatedly failed in WC finals.

What's his semi final record (aside from the 4 chances he had in the 2011 semi)
 
ToeCrusher2 said:
Yeah, I didn't say he goes missing, you asked why he has the best average, it is mainly due to bashing windies
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QDK looks their only reasonable player who has ability to change things around. Bacha sa lagta hai but smashes it all over when on song.
 
Slog said:
Yeah but he repeatedly failed in WC finals.

What's his semi final record (aside from the 4 chances he had in the 2011 semi)
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Repeatedly, lol, how many times does a player get a chance to play in wc final? 2 finals in 3 decades is barely the sample to judge a player, Sachin was smashing lank in the kolkota semi final where he scored 65+ and the team collapsed as soon as he got out, 2003 semi was against kenya, don't remember his score but must have scored well as it was kenya :misbah , 2011 we all know how much sachin scored, also played well in quaterfinals of the world cup
 
Varun said:
Amla is the anti-Dhawan. Cometh the big tournament, he and de Villiers go missing while they make merry in JAMODI series.
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Ab did well in last WC semi final ,it not his fault that Steyn couldn't do his job at the end
 
All done.. Abd gone now..theres goes two best batsmen ever to play LOI when it really mattered.. Case shut
 
Slog said:
His World Cup performances have hardly been mediocre

Stop peddling lies

He won the best player award for 2014 WC and while you can debate whether he was a deserving winner or not it is not up for debate that he had a fantastic tournament overall
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Messi was good in group stage, nowhere to see in KOs. also the guy retired after missing a penalty, the biggest choker in the world.

on topic it wasn't bad innings by Hash, yeah he struggled, but he also ensured there won't be any early wicket.

while writing this, there two run out by Saffers, good choke.
 
A score of 35 is by no means a choke, especially when he was dismissed off an inside-edge. Amla is the last South African batsman that should be accused of failing to turn up during this tournament. South Africa's only win (assuming they lose this one) came due to a century from him.
 
However Amla is, he is better than AB De V in T20 format and I don't even have to look at the stats. I know so.
 
todfod 11 said:
Sachin was atleast 50 50 in pressure match but Amla is 0% till date
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Sachin was great in pressure matches actually, has one of the best records in big tournies, finals, semis finals. Failed in 2 WC finals but one was chasing 360 in SA in 2003.
 
Slog said:
Yeah but he repeatedly failed in WC finals.

What's his semi final record (aside from the 4 chances he had in the 2011 semi)
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Repeatedly? in 2 matches and one of which was chasing 360 in SA against Aus in 2003? How is a sample of 2 repeatedly? Ponting failed on 4 out of 5 WC finals.
 
Indiafan said:
Repeatedly? in 2 matches and one of which was chasing 360 in SA against Aus in 2003? How is a sample of 2 repeatedly? Ponting failed on 4 out of 5 WC finals.
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Ponting played 4 WC finals lmao
 
Slog said:
Ponting played 4 WC finals lmao
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Lmao, that's your comeback? lara played nil lmao, abdv played nil lmao, even waqar played nil lmao, clearly playing the final is dependent on the relative strength of the team you have.

Btw Ponting failed in 3 out of the 4 finals lmao
 
Bilal7 said:
A score of 35 is by no means a choke, especially when he was dismissed off an inside-edge. Amla is the last South African batsman that should be accused of failing to turn up during this tournament. South Africa's only win (assuming they lose this one) came due to a century from him.
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Shikhar Dhawan is a better pressure player than Amla LOL. He failed just accept it. Our favourite players all have weakness, better to accept them and move on.
 
Hasan123 said:
Shikhar Dhawan is a better pressure player than Amla LOL. He failed just accept it. Our favourite players all have weakness, better to accept them and move on.
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Shikhar Dhawan is a better pressure player than Kohli, de Villiers and Smith as well. What is your point? An average of 50, being his team's top scorer is hardly failing. ABD failed, Amla succeeded from a personal POV. If I wish to continue posting in this thread, I shall do just that.
 
Bilal7 said:
Shikhar Dhawan is a better pressure player than Kohli, de Villiers and Smith as well. What is your point? An average of 50, being his team's top scorer is hardly failing. ABD failed, Amla succeeded from a personal POV. If I wish to continue posting in this thread, I shall do just that.
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Kohli and Smith have played pressure knocks so I don't know why you need to bring them into the discussions.


He failed vs India and Pakistan, if you can't admit that you are just being delusional. Well played vs Sri Lanka but failed in the next 2 games.

Don't present me with his average. It's that high because of century vs Sri Lanka. Interesting when Amla scores vs a rubbish attack you don't take that into consideration :))) :))).

Keep posting in this thread by all means. Amla is a proven choker. You posting his stats won't change my opnion.
 
I actually feel sorry for him now. I mean you have one heck of a problem when people can say with 100% conviction that you will fail under pressure and you do.
 
Mamoon said:
I actually feel sorry for him now. I mean you have one heck of a problem when people can say with 100% conviction that you will fail under pressure and you do.
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he is too soft to rise up at the occassion. you need that extra passion ad courage to fight it out. Amla has always been to soft and Abd is worse finds the easy way of getting run out in big matches
 
todfod 11 said:
he is too soft to rise up at the occassion. you need that extra passion ad courage to fight it out. Amla has always been to soft and Abd is worse finds the easy way of getting run out in big matches
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Yes. He has no intensity and presence. Opposition are all over him in high-intensity games. Amla is living proof of how misleading statistics can be. He is probably not even in the top 10 ODI openers of all time, but on paper he is better than anyone except Tendulkar.
 
He's definitely got a mental block in these games.

Hell all of them do.
 
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