"Hassan Ali was injured after management made him deadlift 130kg to 140kg" : Azhar Mahmood

[MenInG]

Azhar Mahmood has slammed Pakistan head coach and chief selector Misbah-ul-Haq claiming that pacer Hasan Ali was injured after he was made to do 130kg deadlift during team's gym session.

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Launching a scathing attack on Pakistan head coach cum chief selector Misbah-ul-Haq, former cricketer Azhar Mahmood has slammed his nation's management for resorting to new excessive gym work. Mahmood, a former bowling coach of the Green Army has claimed that star pacer Hasan Ali has become injury prone ever since the Misbah-led national team management endorsed 'excessive' gym sessions for the national team.

Touted to be the lynchpin of the Pakistani pace battery in white-ball cricket, Hasan has remained on the sidelines and is yet to record an international appearance for the Green Army since the 2019 World Cup. Hasan's constant battle with injuries forced him to miss out Pakistan's Test series with Sri Lanka at home along with the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy games. With one of Pakistan's household names sitting out in crucial games, Mahmood has claimed that excessive gym work paved way for Ali to skip cricketing action across all formats.

Not cricket, heavy deadlifts injured Hasan Ali, claims Mahmood

In a report Mehmood has said the Pakistani management insisted Ali perform deadlift around 130 to 140kg and the change of weight backfired as the pacer sustained an injury. "The management made him [Hasan] deadlift around 130 to 140kg. If someone has not lifted more than 100kg before and you ask him to lift 130kg, then obviously he would get injured. He got injured in the gym," he said.

Mehmood in his playing days represented the Pakistani national team in as many as 21 Tests and 143 One Day Internationals (ODI) from 1996 to 2007. The all-rounder was also an elite member of the Pakistani coaching staff post-retirement when former coach Mickey Arthur used to be at the helm.

"Hasan and Shadab were brilliant in the Champions Trophy. Everyone started expecting Hasan to take wickets whenever he came on to bowl but then people wrote him off when he didn’t perform. Management needs to back their players if they are going through a tough time instead of saying that he is finished or is focused on things other cricket," he added.


https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...laims-130kg-deadlift-injured-hasan-ali/574185

 

[Asifnow]

I think we all knew the PCB didn't know how to manage Ali's injury and that made things worse, we all know he played through a couple injuries and wasnt allowed to recover properly. HOWEVER, if true, this sheds new light on poor poor management!

 

[daytrader]

If he's injured why was he playing PSL?

 

[FreePalestine]

Is this true or not?

 

[MenInG]

If he's injured why was he playing PSL?

Not clear as he was injured before PSL

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I think we all knew the PCB didn't know how to manage Ali's injury and that made things worse, we all know he played through a couple injuries and wasnt allowed to recover properly. HOWEVER, if true, this sheds new light on poor poor management!

It isn't true. Hasan Ali got injured because he is a clown off the field and wasn't resting properly and was doing stupid things like fashion shows off the field when he was supposed to be recovering.

 

[Majid Khan]

It just highlights the level of professionalism these guys have as sportsmen - forgetting for a minute whether Misbah’s recommendations to deadlift heavy weights was good advice or not , but is Hasan Ali that immature and does not understand the basics of strength trainining that he went straight away trying to deadlift 140kg never having previously deadlifted 100kg before ? Surely it’s common sense that you gradually increase your weights when doing strength training.

Not sure you can blame Misbah for that kind of stupidity, unless the coach forced him against his will , no I can’t believe Misbah is that insane ?

 

[daytrader]

The credibility of this article needs to be questioned...poorly written, author switches between 'Mahmood' and 'Mehmood', and the original GeoSuper article spelled Mickey Arthur's name wrong! No mention of who interviewed Azhar or where he gave these comments.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

This is obviously not true from Azhar Mahmood. He's just salty he got sacked.

 

[Savak]

I know people who have been weight lifting for years and even then they are extremely careful with deadlifts and don't put too much weights because it is vital to get the form right because if you don't you can easily injure yourself severely which can put you out of commission for years or incapacitate you for life.

 

[Asifnow]

It isn't true. Hasan Ali got injured because he is a clown off the field and wasn't resting properly and was doing stupid things like fashion shows off the field when he was supposed to be recovering.

Not really, you sound like you seem pretty personally disconnected from him. He was injured and the PCB carried on playing him, even commentators mentioned he seemed injured. It was revealed after that time, roughly 2018 he was indeed injured, that made it worse and harder for him to return. Walking down a runway isnt going to make him injure his back bro!

 

[sweep_shot]

Hassan doesn't look like he can lift 140 pounds. He is really skinny.

 

[Abdullah719]

The credibility of this article needs to be questioned...poorly written, author switches between 'Mahmood' and 'Mehmood', and the original GeoSuper article spelled Mickey Arthur's name wrong! No mention of who interviewed Azhar or where he gave these comments.

It's from a TV show. Exact comments:

"Where did Hasan Ali get injured? He didn't get injured playing cricket. He got injured in training. The team management injured him by making him do deadlifts of 130-140kg.

"I don't mind weight training but you need to build players up. When a player hasn't done a deadlift of more than 100kg then you make him do a deadlift of 130kg, he will get injured. He got injured in the gym, that can happen with anyone."

 

[Saj]

This begs the question what were the trainers and medical staff doing, if this is true.

 

[Musakhel]

Is this a joke, 140kg deadlift lol.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Pretty sure Hasan Ali’s career started to go downhill during Azhar’s tenure.

Also, does Misbah-ul-Haq have a third role now? Coach, Selector, and personal trainer?

 

[Abdul]

285 lb deadlift is not heavy by any means. If you're a professional athlete then it should be a cakewalk for you. Pathetic.

 

[Abdullah719]

285 lb deadlift is not heavy by any means. If you're a professional athlete then it should be a cakewalk for you. Pathetic.

But is it wise to attempt it when your previous best is 100kg Assuming that Azhar Mahmood has the correct info.

 

[MMHS]

Lots of loose end in that article - I'll stay put to comment on it before further info. If indeed 140KG.... Then the first guy to blame is Hasan himself.

 

[Saj]

Also this doesn't say when this allegedly happened, which is the first question that should have been asked.

 

[TrentDevil]

While I have my reservations with Misbah, but it's easy to blame everything on him. Azhar is being salty just because he was sacked. Hassan was injured way before Misbah took over the reigns, he hit the worst while Azhar was in charge, so Azhar should be taking blame for it rather than coming up a lame excuses.

 

[Savak]

Hasan Ali has had back and disc problems, I would not advise anyone to do deadlifts especially if they have a back/disc problem until they are absolutely sure their back muscles are strong and even then I would start of with an easier, lower weight and gradually build up the weights to the point your form is spot on and you are confident you can lift that weight properly.

 

[Savak]

While I have my reservations with Misbah, but it's easy to blame everything on him. Azhar is being salty just because he was sacked. Hassan was injured way before Misbah took over the reigns, he hit the worst while Azhar was in charge, so Azhar should be taking blame for it rather than coming up a lame excuses.

Not sure Azhar Mahmood has anything to be salty about, the guy is a well respected English county coach and even established his own academy in England, he will never be short of work.

Also Hasan Ali's major injury problems mostly started when Azhar Mahmood left. Waqar has a history of over burdening the players as coach so I am not surprised to see these things come up now that he has taken charge

 

[Slog]

he was bowling ***** anyway even if this is true

 

[hitthestump]

With all due respect to Azhar this is nonsense.

If someone hasn't deadlifted more than 100kg before then they have no chance of cold lifting 130kg even 5 cm off the floor.

And since when does management override strength and conditioning plans to start making it up as they go along?

 

[Markhor]

Hasan Ali's downfall is partly his fault, his immaturity and off-field antics since getting national fame and exposure hasn't endeared himself to me. Like others, he's still dining out on the 2017 Champions Trophy and has done nothing to reinvent himself or improve his game since.

However it's also not his fault that he cannot change being 5ft 8. Nor that he's being coached by two glorified fitness instructors Misbah and Waqar who don't have a big track record of improving young cricketers.

 

[Pakistanian]

deadlifts are bad for you, only bodybuilders should life them otherwise everyone else should protect their back. There are actually many pro athletes in America that don't deadlift at all because of the high risks.

 

[tyron_woodley]

well shoaib said something along those lines too. So it's true I suppose? But shoaib can't be trusted either.

Anyway you have to structure your strength and conditioning program in a way where you are able to progressively overload the amount of weights you are lifting. Baby steps.

Not jump from 100 to 130.

 

[Forum363]

285 lb deadlift is not heavy by any means. If you're a professional athlete then it should be a cakewalk for you. Pathetic.

Are you joking or just ignorant? So every professional athlete should be able to deadlift 285lb LOL regardless of their own build or sport etc.

Hasan Ali is short and lean so probably weighs no more than 145lb at the most. You expect him to easily deadlift twice his weight? Does that apply to the likes of Tendulker, Shane warne, etc as well?

 

[tyron_woodley]

deadlifts are bad for you, only bodybuilders should life them otherwise everyone else should protect their back. There are actually many pro athletes in America that don't deadlift at all because of the high risks.

this is true. Deadlift if done properly is great to be honest but not necessary at all.

Farmers walks are a much harder and better exercise.

Also heavy pulls are a better variation instead of doing deadlifts where you can lift a dead weight from a support bench which reduces the strain on your back. Block deadlift I mean. Or partial deadlift. There is also the trap bar deadlift which is far safer

Also rows are better anyway.

 

[Forum363]

With all due respect to Azhar this is nonsense.

If someone hasn't deadlifted more than 100kg before then they have no chance of cold lifting 130kg even 5 cm off the floor.

And since when does management override strength and conditioning plans to start making it up as they go along?

It lacks context but its certainly not as ridiculous as you make it sound. I started deadlifting a while ago and it is the exercise I am most careful with.

As an example, I deadlift 90kg but comfortably doing 10 reps x 3. I am focussed on maintaining the form and building strength before I move up in small increments to not injure myself.

Now, based on how weight lifting works and my own experience, I am pretty confident I could deadlift 130kg for a few reps. However I would never try that because there is a greater risk of injury.

If the coach/ training staff pushed Hasan Ali to jump up in weight for a dangerous exercise as deadlift, then they need to be held accountable. Especially if they pushed him with the pretence of working harder etc.

 

[Pakistanian]

Fast bowlers do need strong legs, glutes and backs and they don't need deadlifts to achieve that

 

[Forum363]

Some of the comments on this thread are laughable. No one can argue that Hasan Ali performed very poorly after the CT, not helped by his questionable off field antics and rumours about his work ethic.

HOWEVER - this thread is about the national team's Coach / support staff pushing a player to suddenly increase the weight on one of the most dangerous exercises, when he is coming back from injury. Regardless of the player, that is a huge concern and should not be swept under the carpet.

Most of the posters are implying that because Hasan has been rubbish and going on cat walks, who cares that this happened.

 

[Savak]

I have done all back exercises in the gym but have avoided the deadlift because it is the most riskiest exercise out of all. Have heard horror stories of people permanently damaging their spinal cords because of getting the form wrong, nothing is worth quality of life. Other back exercises are less risky for the back and are sufficient to strengthen the back

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Azhar Mahmood has slammed Pakistan head coach and chief selector Misbah-ul-Haq claiming that pacer Hasan Ali was injured after he was made to do 130kg deadlift during team's gym session.

Given how Pakistan cricket is no stranger to cricketers shooting their mouth off, how many permutations of player names and incidents could be made if we just filled in the blanks below?

XXXXXXX has slammed Pakistan YYYY and ZZZZ claiming that............

 

[MenInG]

Different story from Waqar Younis

"As far as I know, Hasan Ali got injured during a FC match. It's the first time I'm hearing that he got injured while lifting weights. I don't know about that. What I know is that he regained fitness and he was bowling well but got injured. This happens with fast-bowlers. You can't protect them too much, we all go through these injuries. You have to be tough and smart to play Test cricket. So I don't know where this weight story came from and where Azhar heard of this while sitting there. Hasan is an asset, he's a very fine cricketer. But unfortunately he's struggling right now. Hopefully he'll come out fitter and a stronger cricketer."

 

[Nasty Naz]

285 lb deadlift is not heavy by any means. If you're a professional athlete then it should be a cakewalk for you. Pathetic.

Lol sounds like someone saying who has never attempted it. 285 lb is very heavy and frankly, no reason for an athlete to be doing in the first place unless you are a wrestler or a NFL player. Any strains from doing that can severely impact you for a while and that's if you're lucky enough to not suffer something worse.

 

[MenInG]

Azhar Mahmood has clarified to Pakpassion that the Hasan Ali injury happened before the tour of Pakistan by Sri Lanka

 

[FreePalestine]

Different story from Waqar Younis

"As far as I know, Hasan Ali got injured during a FC match. It's the first time I'm hearing that he got injured while lifting weights. I don't know about that. What I know is that he regained fitness and he was bowling well but got injured. This happens with fast-bowlers. You can't protect them too much, we all go through these injuries. You have to be tough and smart to play Test cricket. So I don't know where this weight story came from and where Azhar heard of this while sitting there. Hasan is an asset, he's a very fine cricketer. But unfortunately he's struggling right now. Hopefully he'll come out fitter and a stronger cricketer."

Can we confirm the truth of this from Hasan Ali himself?

 

[AdamM97]

No one should start deadlifting weights without knowing how to maintain a proper form. I’m pretty sure Hasan Ali has never lifted weights before making his professional debut.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the management simply asked Hasan to deadlift without teaching him the basics first.

 

[Uzi]

I don't understand the concept of deadlifts for a fast bowler. What benefits to fast bowling does it actually bring?

 

[Abdul]

Lol sounds like someone saying who has never attempted it.

I've deadlifted 505.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

It isn't true. Hasan Ali got injured because he is a clown off the field and wasn't resting properly and was doing stupid things like fashion shows off the field when he was supposed to be recovering.

Yes because fashion shows cause injury

 

[marlonbrowndo]

285 lb deadlift is not heavy by any means. If you're a professional athlete then it should be a cakewalk for you. Pathetic.

So it’s ok to jump from a 100 kg deadlift to 130?

 

[JibranAnsari]

so deadlifting broke his ribs? thats a first.

 

[ali_786]

Anybody should be able to deadlift 140 within 6 months of training if not sooner. Can’t blame Misbah for it or anyone else.

I’m sure they have coaches and plans for that kind of thing. Gym work is an essential part of being an athlete. If you get injures then tough luck, it happens, why do we have to blame someone?

 

[Forum363]

Anybody should be able to deadlift 140 within 6 months of training if not sooner. Can’t blame Misbah for it or anyone else.

I’m sure they have coaches and plans for that kind of thing. Gym work is an essential part of being an athlete. If you get injures then tough luck, it happens, why do we have to blame someone?

Are you reading the details or just commenting blindly.

Secondly what do you mean ‘anyone should be able to deadlift 140 within 6 months’. That is just not true.

Anyway the issue is not him lifting a heavy weight progressively over many months. It’s that someone in the team management pushed him to lift a much higher weight suddenly which causes an injury. That is criminal and should be investigated further - those involved need to be fired.

 

[MenInG]

Bit embarrassing this - if the former coach of Pakistan saying it, there has to be some truth in it.

 

[Haroon786]

If any of this is true, it shows how stupid Hasan Ali is. But, most likely this is a load of baloney, because the management aren't in charge of training sessions, it's the players and their personal trainers, also, any half-decent weight lifter will tell you to increase your lifts by small increments each time. Especially for deadlifts, which if done even slightly incorrectly, can lead to back injury.

Highly unprofessional from Azhar Mahmood, proving he's no different to any other Pakistani ex-cricketer, even if this is fractionally true, it could have been discussed behind closed doors but it isn't the Pakistani way, so much rather air your dirty laundry.

 

[Savak]

If any of this is true, it shows how stupid Hasan Ali is. But, most likely this is a load of baloney, because the management aren't in charge of training sessions, it's the players and their personal trainers, also, any half-decent weight lifter will tell you to increase your lifts by small increments each time. Especially for deadlifts, which if done even slightly incorrectly, can lead to back injury.

Highly unprofessional from Azhar Mahmood, proving he's no different to any other Pakistani ex-cricketer, even if this is fractionally true, it could have been discussed behind closed doors but it isn't the Pakistani way, so much rather air your dirty laundry.

What is balooney here? Salman Butt has confirmed Hassan Ali said that his injury was because of the deadlift. Azhar Mahmood is only speaking facts, why should Azhar Mahmood cover it up? Because it makes your favorite Waqar and Misbah look bad?

 

[Haroon786]

What is balooney here? Salman Butt has confirmed Hassan Ali said that his injury was because of the deadlift. Azhar Mahmood is only speaking facts, why should Azhar Mahmood cover it up? Because it makes your favorite Waqar and Misbah look bad?

Does Hasan Ali have a mind of his own or do other people do all the thinking for him?

How do you know that Azhar is only speaking facts - based on the word of Butt, who's the paragon of integrity? Let's even say, he's relling the truth, was Hasan Ali that stupid enough to comply? Has any other player been "forced" to do this?

Please don't talk about agendas, we both know who has one. Just for the record, I admire Waqar and Misbah for their playing days (Waqar for his bowling and Misbah mainly, his leadership) but they've both been mediocre as coaches.

 

[Savak]

Does Hasan Ali have a mind of his own or do other people do all the thinking for him?

How do you know that Azhar is only speaking facts - based on the word of Butt, who's the paragon of integrity? Let's even say, he's relling the truth, was Hasan Ali that stupid enough to comply? Has any other player been "forced" to do this?

Please don't talk about agendas, we both know who has one. Just for the record, I admire Waqar and Misbah for their playing days (Waqar for his bowling and Misbah mainly, his leadership) but they've both been mediocre as coaches.

Salman Butt has nothing to gain from this and neither does Azhar Mahmood. Both Waqar and Misbah have been relentless as far as their fitness crusade is concerned and are even dictating the excercises the players have to follow on a uniform basis. Bowlers have suffered injuries during Waqar's previous tenure as well, it is on record he is a brutal trainer who just follows the my way or high way approach regardless of whether his regime is appropriate for a particular player or not. Don't think Hasan Ali could have gone against the instructions of both these big shots in Pakistan Cricket atm.

 

[Haroon786]

Salman Butt has nothing to gain from this and neither does Azhar Mahmood. Both Waqar and Misbah have been relentless as far as their fitness crusade is concerned and are even dictating the excercises the players have to follow on a uniform basis. Bowlers have suffered injuries during Waqar's previous tenure as well, it is on record he is a brutal trainer who just follows the my way or high way approach regardless of whether his regime is appropriate for a particular player or not. Don't think Hasan Ali could have gone against the instructions of both these big shots in Pakistan Cricket atm.

Keeping their names in the spotlight is a gain enough, if they were truly being benevolvent, they'd voice their grievances directly to the PCB rather than starting a new saga.

I know that Waqar has been tough in the past on fitness and specifically making his fast bowlers run a lot, but that doesn't apply here and is there any proof on Misbah running training sessions, even though he is the head coach?

Again, if an international professional athlete cannot think about his own physical wellbeing independently, then it beggars the question of whether he should be at the highest level.

 

[Savak]

Keeping their names in the spotlight is a gain enough, if they were truly being benevolvent, they'd voice their grievances directly to the PCB rather than starting a new saga.

I know that Waqar has been tough in the past on fitness and specifically making his fast bowlers run a lot, but that doesn't apply here and is there any proof on Misbah running training sessions, even though he is the head coach?

Again, if an international professional athlete cannot think about his own physical wellbeing independently, then it beggars the question of whether he should be at the highest level.

Misbah is supervising the fitness tests and has given the list of excercises that he wants the players to be doing. And no, if the team management has done something wrong, Azhar has every right to give his opinion especially when he is specifically asked a question by a reporter in an interview.

Lol at your logic of athletes thinking about their own well being, where was this viewpoint when Waqar was over training the players in his previous tenures and when the players protested against some of the excercises they were being made to do, the players were criticized and accused of kaam chor, disrespectful and not buying into the coaching staff and team management.

 

[MenInG]

Former Pakistan pacer Shoaib Akhtar is not too happy with the way Hasan Ali trained during his recuperation from an injury. There has been a lot of confusion regarding his injury as different players have offered different theories. Former Pakistan bowling coach Azhar Mahmood claimed that it happened when Hasan was made to deadlift “130 to 140 kilograms of weight”.

However, Waqar Younis believes Hasan picked up the injury during a first-class match. Akhtar believes it was because the fast bowler did not understand his body and hence, is now looking very weak and frail.

“Hasan got injured due to training as well as overwork. Plus, he played a lot of cricket for the past year or two and wasn’t managed properly,” Akhtar said. “When I met him 25 days ago, I told him to do light and high repetition training so there is no stiffness and rigidness in his muscle.

“He is looking very weak and his shoulders [are] also very thin. He went through wrong training and was asked to lift heavy weights. The learning process of our cricketers is very slow because they do not know the anatomy of their body and how to do high repetition training.

“There was a bit mess up from everybody along with Hasan Ali. However, Azhar should have said all this when he was looking after him but I don’t understand why he is saying all this now,” Akhtar added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...g-very-weak/story-gNc1oMmdIWdbCTETSJ6e6J.html

 

[ElRaja]

shoaib coming in with balanced analysis, his points are valid, as they say "do haath sai tali bajti hai". if our "young guns" spent as a fraction of the time on the net researching and educating themselves that they do on social media, itd do em good.

 

[saeed5646]

I believe hasan ali telling Azhar Mahmood this secret has not gone well with pcb and misbah .

Hasan shouldn't upset misbah especially with the current power he has .The journey is getting tough for him