Having a new crop of bowlers is good and all, but we need new faces in batting department for Tests

[HappyWarsFan]

I am tired of seeing the likes of Babar, Haris, Shafiq, Shan etc. failing for the last few years.

Is there really no young /inform batsmen in domestic cricket that we can try out? We cannot accept having mediocre 35-40 average batsmen , need to have at least 2-3 averaging 45+.

 

[King_Kohli]

Glad that you talking about upcoming batsman.
Surprisingly many threads about pace..pace..pace nd always talk about young blowers.

What about young bating reserves, I am curious to know if there any

 

[Boiz Played Well]

So what happens when you force through a new crop of batsmen in the next Australian tour? Do you think they'll adjust to these conditions and double the amount of runs?

Babar, Haris and Shafiq represent the best of our current batting line-up. If they don't perform, it doesn't mean that someone else can come in and do it better. It just means our best are not good enough -- whether it's mental or skill-related is anyone's opinion.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

So what happens when you force through a new crop of batsmen in the next Australian tour? Do you think they'll adjust to these conditions and double the amount of runs?

Babar, Haris and Shafiq represent the best of our current batting line-up. If they don't perform, it doesn't mean that someone else can come in and do it better. It just means our best are not good enough -- whether it's mental or skill-related is anyone's opinion.

Well for one Sami Aslam looks in good form. Ideal time to bring him back would be in the SL series next month. He's been scoring for fun in domestic, he's young, and it's a home series vs a medium ranked team.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

Well for one Sami Aslam looks in good form. Ideal time to bring him back would be in the SL series next month. He's been scoring for fun in domestic, he's young, and it's a home series vs a medium ranked team.

There are a lot of performers with high averages in FC. Like you said, Sami Aslam is one. Abid Ali is with the squad at the moment. Iftikhar is playing the current test and is a strong FC perfomer (avg: 41 and 11 centuries).

But it's the Fawad Alam dilemma: are they good enough for international cricket in places like Australia?

Most of the FC players need to either get more Pakistan A tours in Australia and elsewhere or we need to develop similar pitches at home to judge their true potential for big tours. Blind experimentation will not be the answer.

 

[Markhor]

We need to prepare a variety of pitches at home to test these young batsmen out in different conditions. These guys are simply not used to the pace and bounce of Australian wickets.

This season's QEA Trophy has seen PCB go from one extreme on greentops and damp wickets, to dead flat wickets where everyone is scoring hundreds for fun so it's harder to filter out the best batsmen.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

We need to prepare a variety of pitches at home to test these young batsmen out in different conditions. These guys are simply not used to the pace and bounce of Australian wickets.

This season's QEA Trophy has seen PCB go from one extreme on greentops and damp wickets, to dead flat wickets where everyone is scoring hundreds for fun so it's harder to filter out the best batsmen.

Agreed and I've read some reports of PCB talking with some curators on developing better pitches.

However I'd much rather have roads as at least it lets batsmen develop confidence and shots, and spinners get lots of overs.

 

[Boiz Played Well]

We need to prepare a variety of pitches at home to test these young batsmen out in different conditions. These guys are simply not used to the pace and bounce of Australian wickets.

This season's QEA Trophy has seen PCB go from one extreme on greentops and damp wickets, to dead flat wickets where everyone is scoring hundreds for fun so it's harder to filter out the best batsmen.

This and we also need to develop new metrics to judge their mental abilities. Even if they have bloated averages, but they are getting away with more loose shots in domestic conditions (dropped catches, umpiring decisions etc.)—chances are they won't be able to justify that average in Australia or England. Patience is as important as skill for some of our Test batsmen (thinking about Babar and Haris).

 

[Titan24]

Haider Ali, Omair Yousuf, Zeeshan Malik, Imran Rafiq, Imran Butt, Saud Shakeel are probably the best young batsmen we have for tests along with obviously Sami Aslam who has already played tests for Pak.

Haider, Omair and Zeeshan might need one more season of domestic, though wont mind seeing Zeeshan in LOIs if he performs well in PSL and One Day cup while others need to be tried in a slightly easier test series which for a 7th ranked team arent many unfortunately.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I’m actually more worried about Pakistan’s bowling than batting. Batting performance (200+) was much better than the bowling performance, which was sub-minnow level. 1 fluke wicket in the entire course of a day.

More importantly, not one Pakistani bowler has stood the test of time, resulting in these new “pace sensations” getting tested every now and then.

Unless a couple of bowlers last 4-5 years of consistently good cricket, Pakistan would always be throwing in a bunch of inexperienced youngsters and hoping for a few of them to deliver magical results for a season or two. This isn’t sustainable in the long run.

 

[barah_admi]

I am tired of seeing the likes of Babar, Haris, Shafiq, Shan etc. failing for the last few years.

Is there really no young /inform batsmen in domestic cricket that we can try out? We cannot accept having mediocre 35-40 average batsmen , need to have at least 2-3 averaging 45+.

Babar, in the last 2 years has averaged 48 in tests. Who will you replace him with?

Shafiq's comeback has been very good.

Shan and Haris are just making their way...although I think Haris shouldn't be here.

Let's not go overboard.

 

[Barragan]

Except for Haris, none of the batsmen in the playing 11 have an FC average above 45!!

The next best guy is at 43 or so and he bats at 7!

I don't know why people are surprised, when these guys fail miserably and Pak can't stack up runs because these guys aren't even good in FC.

Azhar you can excuse because he started off as a bowler and did a tremendous job, despite his 36 FC average and being a bowler initially.

Haris has missed a good 2 years and has hardly played in FC, so him failing right now is due to a serious lack of practice in the longest format and he needed to be given time in domestic.

 

[Hawkeye]

Brother

These are the best batsmen we have. You can't dump Babar, Haris etc.

Have to accept that our best are not the best in the world. At least not in Aus and SA.

Bowlers in the squad are also our best bowlers. Young and not good enough yet. Will learn.

 

[Abdullah719]

Brother

These are the best batsmen we have. You can't dump Babar, Haris etc.

Have to accept that our best are not the best in the world. At least not in Aus and SA.

Bowlers in the squad are also our best bowlers. Young and not good enough yet. Will learn.

Haris has a problem with his technique that needs to be worked on, for bouncy pitches.

Can the batting coach aka the chief selector aka the head coach help him on that front

 

[Hawkeye]

Haris has a problem with his technique that needs to be worked on, for bouncy pitches.

Can the batting coach aka the chief selector aka the head coach help him on that front

Haris looked our most comfortable and confident batsman in 2015 WC. He faced bounce there. Had no trouble with the short ball in 2019 WC as well.

There may be some issue but don't think it's a weakness like that of Fakhars level.

He has put on too much weight and short on confidence. Fitness and mental condition has more to do with his poor form here. And probably T20s too.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

Tests against SL

Imam Ul Haq
Shan Masood
Sami Aslam
Azhar Ali * (as he’s a capatain)
Babar Azam
Asad Shafiq
Mohammed Rizwan +

 

[Majid Khan]

It’s time for Shan Masood to get a meaningful score and not just another classy quarter-century (25)..

 

[Hawkeye]

It’s time for Shan Masood to get a meaningful score and not just another classy quarter-century (25)..

Yes, he's our weakest link in the batting. A true and valid liability.

 

[Khan12]

Haris has a problem with his technique that needs to be worked on, for bouncy pitches.

Can the batting coach aka the chief selector aka the head coach help him on that front

The spin basher was a rubbish batsmen himself and has no credentials.

 

[Khan12]

Yes, he's our weakest link in the batting. A true and valid liability.

Not as bad as misbah's favorite azhar.

 

[another drop catch]

Team for sri lanka should be :

01.Sami Aslam
02.Shan Masood
03.Azhar Ali (c)
04.Babar Azam
05.Umar Amin
06.Mohammad Rizwan (wk)
07.Sarmad Bhatti
08.Zafar gohar
09.Sajid khan
10.Naseem shah
11.Shaheen Shah Afridi

Reserves :

Imam ul haq
Asad Shafique
Rohail nazeer (wk)
Nauman Ali
Mohammed Abbas

 

[Majid Khan]

Not sure how strict our coaches are but if I was in charge and the manner in which some of our batsmen get dismissed , their punishment (and constructive punishment in that it will help them) should be to go and bat in the nets against a bowling machine for 3 hours that evening without any break - and talent and all that bull aside, the fact remains in any field you will only ever achieve mastery and become accomplished through practice and repetition. What is wrong with these a Pakistani batsmen that 10 + years into their careers they can’t get the basics right ?? Are they really putting in enough hours and doing lots of practice but are just simply ncompetent in their chosen profession?

 

[Pete Rose]

We are losing tests for the last 24 hours because shafiq and Azhar average under 30. Two guys with 70 tests and a decade of cricket behind them.
The bowling woes get all the focus