Hindu pilgrims killed in militant attack in Kashmir

[Reddy]

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[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]
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Indians will do well to remember this thread.

Yup, Quite eye opening and mind opening, many of my friends said i was an idiot and you can't change things but i used to vehemently disagree with them. This thread proved me wrong and it will not be forgotten for my LIFETIME.

After this thread, i searched for some 26/11 threads on this forum and man you should do the same, people claiming 26/11 was just a film and some claiming it was a false flag and inside job by India. I am really learning lifetime lessons here and the most shocking part is that this is the educated, modern elite thinking then you can imagine what would be thinking in the normal street.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

When expressing solidarity with Indians and denouncing the terror attacks its clear whom they called what.

Oh you must be talking about the ambassadors. Haven't seen any world leader come out and condemn anything. This isn't even on front page of the BBC. It should have been but not for the reasons you'd want

 

[cricketjoshila]

Oh you must be talking about the ambassadors. Haven't seen any world leader come out and condemn anything. This isn't even on front page of the BBC. It should have been but not for the reasons you'd want

Official statements of the countries.BBC isnt the end of the world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The 'cat was never in the bag' to begin with. Kashmiri insurgents are resisting occupation. There's a difference between an insurgent/militant and a terrorist, I'm not surprised you don't know the difference. Oh and go and check the non-Indian news sources, they all agree with me

It's funny I'm being accused of this. The only reason I'm even mentioning Indian news media is because the original article is from an Indian source.

I couldn't care less about the Indian version, it's only to emphasise to you what the worst case observation is. It's not me skipping opening paragraphs of an article, it's you who's chosen a paragraph about an eyewitness account and ignored the mention of a crossfire therefore negating a targeted attack. CNN, Reuters, The Guardian, BBC have all used the word militant and mentioned the incident in the light of a crossfire between militants and police.

As for the accounts I'm going by victim's twitter accounts who say they could see nothing in the darkness and it's not consistent with the BBC eyewitness account who isn't even "the owner" of the bus as stated in the article but the son of one. Even so gunmen doesn't instantly mean militants unless Indian security forces were carrying poppies.

The reason I'm trying to explain this to you is to show you how hard you're trying to brand it a terrorist attack against the pilgrims. The Indian propaganda might have worked on the masses in India, but it's not so easy on the neutral observers.

That'd explain the terrorist angle. It's not the first time governments have used the terrorist narrative to increase surveillance and absolve themselves of blame. I'm surprised India's growing economy hasn't been able to buy any influence to have Western media label Kashmiris terrorists, even with the massive terrorism narrative we see around the world.. They're still referred to as 'gunmen', 'insurgents', etc.

So Militants and insurgents are not terrorists?Here are a few examples of western media people insurgents and militants and gunmen.I am sure you would agree with them and say these are not terrorists.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN0JU0JO20141216

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

For you these people may not be terrorists but for me they are.No matter what BBC or Reuters have to say.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Official statements of the countries.BBC isnt the end of the world.

You're right, it isn't. It's merely to state what an impartial report looks like. Indian sources would obviously play the government tune. I was trying to demonstrate that the pilgrims weren't deliberately attacked and all major credible sources show that.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

So Militants and insurgents are not terrorists?Here are a few examples of western media people insurgents and militants and gunmen.I am sure you would agree with them and say these are not terrorists.
https://www.google.co.in/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN0JU0JO20141216

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-30491435

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34832512

For you these people may not be terrorists but for me they are.No matter what BBC or Reuters have to say.

I'm glad you think they're terrorist because Indian media at the time thought so and were partially correct to do so.

There are many different definitions of terrorism because its a politcised word, but the one definition MSM generally go by and use is this:

"Terrorism is a term used in its broadest sense to describe the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror or fear, in order to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim. It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against civilians or non-combatants." Wikipedia

Now in the Amarnath attack today, there was no intentional indiscriminate violence against civilians or non-combatants because it has been widely accepted they weren't the targets by the vast majority of global media

In the Taliban attacks, the western media is also technically correct as the institution they attacked was an army-run school, but they Intentionally indiscriminately killed non-combatants and they were definitely widely accepted to be Pakistani-based Taliban. So it was also terrorism as well, which CNN and NYT reported:

NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/asia/taliban-attack-pakistani-school.html

"With its chilling echoes of a school in Beslan, Russia, where 186 children were massacred in 2004, the terrorist attack in Peshawar traumatized a scarred city that has suffered intense Taliban violence since the insurgency erupted seven years ago."

CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/16/world/asia/pakistan-peshawar-school-attack/index.html

TOI: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...akistan-Taliban-want/articleshow/45544961.cms

You've turned this into "my terrorist attack vs your terrorist attack", it's quite silly and puerile. Loss of innocent life is serious business but the OP was using this attack as a premise to demonise Kashmiri militants who do not attack non-combatants in general, all militant groups in Kashmir that I know of adhere to this principle. You've gone and compared them with a brutal Taliban who deliberately massacred innocent children. One attack was deliberately targeting innocent civilians and the other wasn't, that's the only distinction you needed to make before posting this sick comparison.

You've got me completely wrong, I'm not going at lengths to obtain the facts so that I can boast about it or feel good about myself, it's to shake the Indian posters in here from their hysteria in the hope they cease continuing on in the cycle of violence. OP has done the opposite.

I've said it before, I abhor ALL loss of life in Kashmir, even that of the soldiers of both Pakistan and India because they're soldiers obeying orders after all. I blame the Indian government for its stance on Kashmir and of the leaders who are okay to send soldiers to kill and be killed. I've even pondered the idea of Kashmiris remaining with India if it means peace in the region, but India has to reconcile with the Kashmiris and it has long way to go to because of the damage that they've caused and lives they've taken. The ball has been in India's court for a while now, they can sit with Pakistan tomorrow and end this, they choose not to.

 

[Napa]

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Indians will do well to remember this thread.

My condolences to the family of the dead.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm glad you think they're terrorist because Indian media at the time thought so and were partially correct to do so.

There are many different definitions of terrorism because its a politcised word, but the one definition MSM generally go by and use is this:

"Terrorism is a term used in its broadest sense to describe the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror or fear, in order to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim. It is used in this regard primarily to refer to violence against civilians or non-combatants." Wikipedia

Now in the Amarnath attack today, there was no intentional indiscriminate violence against civilians or non-combatants because it has been widely accepted they weren't the targets by the vast majority of global media

In the Taliban attacks, the western media is also technically correct as the institution they attacked was an army-run school, but they Intentionally indiscriminately killed non-combatants and they were definitely widely accepted to be Pakistani-based Taliban. So it was also terrorism as well, which CNN and NYT reported:

NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/17/world/asia/taliban-attack-pakistani-school.html

"With its chilling echoes of a school in Beslan, Russia, where 186 children were massacred in 2004, the terrorist attack in Peshawar traumatized a scarred city that has suffered intense Taliban violence since the insurgency erupted seven years ago."

CNN: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/12/16/world/asia/pakistan-peshawar-school-attack/index.html

TOI: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...akistan-Taliban-want/articleshow/45544961.cms

You've turned this into "my terrorist attack vs your terrorist attack", it's quite silly and puerile. Loss of innocent life is serious business but the OP was using this attack as a premise to demonise Kashmiri militants who do not attack non-combatants in general, all militant groups in Kashmir that I know of adhere to this principle. You've gone and compared them with a brutal Taliban who deliberately massacred innocent children. One attack was deliberately targeting innocent civilians and the other wasn't, that's the only distinction you needed to make before posting this sick comparison.

You've got me completely wrong, I'm not going at lengths to obtain the facts so that I can boast about it or feel good about myself, it's to shake the Indian posters in here from their hysteria in the hope they cease continuing on in the cycle of violence. OP has done the opposite.

I've said it before, I abhor ALL loss of life in Kashmir, even that of the soldiers of both Pakistan and India because they're soldiers obeying orders after all. I blame the Indian government for its stance on Kashmir and of the leaders who are okay to send soldiers to kill and be killed. I've even pondered the idea of Kashmiris remaining with India if it means peace in the region, but India has to reconcile with the Kashmiris and it has long way to go to because of the damage that they've caused and lives they've taken. The ball has been in India's court for a while now, they can sit with Pakistan tomorrow and end this, they choose not to.

Your attempt to defend the terrorists and to differentiate them between those attacking Hindus and Indians and those attacking others is pathetic.

Try as much as you want your dear western media use the same word militant or insurgentd for both cases.Keep trying to spin a terror attack it just shows your true intention.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Your attempt to defend the terrorists and to differentiate them between those attacking Hindus and Indians and those attacking others is pathetic.

Try as much as you want your dear western media use the same word militant or insurgentd for both cases.Keep trying to spin a terror attack it just shows your true intention.

I'm not defending any terrorists. What's pathetic is your comparison of militants attacking security forces to militants/terrorists attacking children.

I'm a big critic of the 'Western media' and especially the BBC, I merely pointed out what impartial sources were saying. Ideally, ones that did not include India, Pakistan or Kashmir.

The overwhelming number of reports mentioned an attack against police forces in Amarnath. The Indian news media and certain Indians want to use this opportunity and portray a targeted killing of pilgrims so that they can justify the coming atrocities against Kashmiri communities.

My last paragraph showed my true intentions

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Some of the defenders of these jihadis do not realize that these animals also kill thousands of Muslims in Pakistan every year but somehow when they cross the border, their acts get justified. Pure hypocrisy.

Please state what you mean by jihadi and who you think is defending them. You seem to give off the vibe that because a militant is Muslim that they're all a homogenous group and thus all are 'jihadis'. If that is the case I suggest you take a break from the Tele.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yup, Quite eye opening and mind opening, many of my friends said i was an idiot and you can't change things but i used to vehemently disagree with them. This thread proved me wrong and it will not be forgotten for my LIFETIME.

After this thread, i searched for some 26/11 threads on this forum and man you should do the same, people claiming 26/11 was just a film and some claiming it was a false flag and inside job by India. I am really learning lifetime lessons here and the most shocking part is that this is the educated, modern elite thinking then you can imagine what would be thinking in the normal street.

I was thinking the same about flag waving nationalists who are more interested in confirming their LIFETIME biases than showing any true remorse for the victims.

 

[blue_champion]

Please state what you mean by jihadi and who you think is defending them. You seem to give off the vibe that because a militant is Muslim that they're all a homogenous group and thus all are 'jihadis'. If that is the case I suggest you take a break from the Tele.

These so called "freedom fighters" drove an entire religious community who belonged to the same ethnicity from the valley....this is not some innocent farmers forced to take up arms by the system deal nor are they Gandhis/MLK/Mandela's of the world
Taking up arms as a last resort....these are brainwashed animals ready to kill innocent people...how are you missing such a simple point or is it willful blindness?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ah...I get it,you are pshyco analyzing if the sympathy expressed on here is genuine or if it has an agenda wow.......

where as the commom folk express disgust at an act of terrorism and sympathizing with the victims more as a reflex action,you seem to be thinking two steps ahead great!!!

Sorry but keeping things simple here...a heinous act on innocent victims must be condemned regardless of ones agenda don't you think?

Yes of course. That goes without question I would have thought my previous posts advising not to turn this into a point scoring match with respect to the victims had made that clear.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

These so called "freedom fighters" drove an entire religious community who belonged to the same ethnicity from the valley....this is not some innocent farmers forced to take up arms by the system deal nor are they Gandhis/MLK/Mandela's of the world
Taking up arms as a last resort....these are brainwashed animals ready to kill innocent people...how are you missing such a simple point or is it willful blindness?

You're the one who is referring to them as freedom fighters, probably a guilty conscience that caused you to blurt it out. The topic of the Brahmins has been discussed by myself and others in depth on a few other Kashmir threads(go read them) and as per Cpt Rishwat's sentiments best we leave the point-scoring for elsewhere. This thread has served its purpose of determining the reality that the pilgrims were not the target of these militants and that the Indian security forces may have themselves been responsible for the deaths of innocent Yatris.

 

[Vayuu]

You're the one who is referring to them as freedom fighters, probably a guilty conscience that caused you to blurt it out. The topic of the Brahmins has been discussed by myself and others in depth on a few other Kashmir threads(go read them) and as per Cpt Rishwat's sentiments best we leave the point-scoring for elsewhere. This thread has served its purpose of determining the reality that the pilgrims were not the target of these militants and that the Indian security forces may have themselves been responsible for the deaths of innocent Yatris.

no it didn't, the terrorist were doing recee of the root, they wanted to create a hostage situation, by storming into the bus and killing as many as possible, and take few as hostages,so it's better we stop this ******** of not wanting to kill the innocent.

 

[Vayuu]

According to India TV sources, the local support, including logistics, came from the Hizbul Mujahideen cadre. The sources said that the terrorists wanted to barge into the bus while they opened indiscriminate firing in order to claim maximum casualties. It is also said that they did a three-day recce before executing the plan.

 

[English August]

This thread has served its purpose of determining the reality that the pilgrims were not the target of these militants and that the Indian security forces may have themselves been responsible for the deaths of innocent Yatris.

What this thread has done is outed you as a sympathizer of terrorism. You've been dancing around topics like Nazism and when called on it, somehow managing to change the topic.

Let's be clear: those who killed these innocent men, women and children are terrorists. Calling them anything else (militants, freedom fighters, etc. etc.) is nothing but a shameful attempt to defend a brutal act of terrorism.

People like you call 9/11 a Jewish conspiracy and Mumbai terror attack a false flag operation.

 

[Enigma_]

What this thread has done is outed you as a sympathizer of terrorism. You've been dancing around topics like Nazism and when called on it, somehow managing to change the topic.

Let's be clear: those who killed these innocent men, women and children are terrorists. Calling them anything else (defenders, army, jawans etc. etc.) is nothing but a shameful attempt to defend a brutal act of terrorism.

People like you call 9/11 a Jewish conspiracy and Mumbai terror attack a false flag operation.

Why are you defining the Indian army? We already knew this.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

What this thread has done is outed you as a sympathizer of terrorism. You've been dancing around topics like Nazism and when called on it, somehow managing to change the topic.

Let's be clear: those who killed these innocent men, women and children are terrorists. Calling them anything else (militants, freedom fighters, etc. etc.) is nothing but a shameful attempt to defend a brutal act of terrorism.

People like you call 9/11 a Jewish conspiracy and Mumbai terror attack a false flag operation.

You have profound incomprehension issues kid. What a load of drivel. Haha, and let's not go on that topic of Nazism, you have a short memory too. Thankfully, those threads are still here on PP, please go back and read them, once you have provided some answers to those we can continue our conversation on future threads, until then you're a troll

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Why are you defining the Indian army? We already knew this.

And that might not even be far-fetched. We know they were killed in a crossfire, so it's highly likely some or all of these Yatris were killed by the Indian security forces

 

[English August]

You have profound incomprehension issues kid. What a load of drivel. Haha, and let's not go on that topic of Nazism, you have a short memory too. Thankfully, those threads are still here on PP, please go back and read them, once you have provided some answers to those we can continue our conversation on future threads, until then you're a troll

Yep, all those threads that everyone can read show that you openly justify terrorism against Hindus, that you're not shy of comparing Modi with Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini, that you run away when presented with economic numbers (or worse start running away from any discussion on economy because it doesn't fit your narrative) and now you're blaming security forces for the pilgrims attack.

And when outed, you start calling people a "kid."

Well done.

 

[English August]

And that might not even be far-fetched. We know they were killed in a crossfire, so it's highly likely some or all of these Yatris were killed by the Indian security forces

A well-known troll technique.

First plant a seed, e.g., call it "cross fire". After a few days use words like "highly likely." After a few more days, it will be presented as "proven facts."

In your delusional mind, Indian security forces killed the innocent pilgrims. Just the way 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy and Mumbai terror attack was a false-flag operation enacted with help from Bollywood. You need to get help.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep, all those threads that everyone can read show that you openly justify terrorism against Hindus, that you're not shy of comparing Modi with Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini, that you run away when presented with economic numbers (or worse start running away from any discussion on economy because it doesn't fit your narrative) and now you're blaming security forces for the pilgrims attack.

And when outed, you start calling people a "kid."

Well done.

Many countries have condemned the attack as a terrorist attack.Supporters of terrorists are trying to hold onto some straws.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Yep, all those threads that everyone can read show that you openly justify terrorism against Hindus, that you're not shy of comparing Modi with Hitler/Stalin/Mussolini, that you run away when presented with economic numbers (or worse start running away from any discussion on economy because it doesn't fit your narrative) and now you're blaming security forces for the pilgrims attack.

And when outed, you start calling people a "kid."

Well done.

What, I always knew you lived in your own little bubble, never thought it'd be this big though. Bring up the quotes where I compared Modi with those people, justified terrorism and " ran away". I'm not blaming the security forces, being realistic about what crossfire means. Just suggesting they may have killed as many as the militants if not more.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

A well-known troll technique.

First plant a seed, e.g., call it "cross fire". After a few days use words like "highly likely." After a few more days, it will be presented as "proven facts."

In your delusional mind, Indian security forces killed the innocent pilgrims. Just the way 9/11 was a Jewish conspiracy and Mumbai terror attack was a false-flag operation enacted with help from Bollywood. You need to get help.

Lol, you must know about troll techniques, I don't. It was unanimously called a crossfire. Do you even bother reading beyond your own echo chamber?

9/11 and Mumbai? What the hell are you on about?

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Many countries have condemned the attack as a terrorist attack.Supporters of terrorists are trying to hold onto some straws.

Those countries don't offer certificates and you're not getting one from anyone here either, lol. You really showed yourself up in the UP robbery thread.

 

[English August]

What, I always knew you lived in your own little bubble, never thought it'd be this big though. Bring up the quotes where I compared Modi with those people, justified terrorism and " ran away". I'm not blaming the security forces, being realistic about what crossfire means. Just suggesting they may have killed as many as the militants if not more.

Literally in this very post you contradict yourself. "I'm not blaming ... ", but "just suggesting ...". You really need help.

I'll let you find your own post re. Modi and Hitler / Stalin / Mussolini.

 

[English August]

Lol, you must know about troll techniques, I don't. It was unanimously called a crossfire. Do you even bother reading beyond your own echo chamber?

9/11 and Mumbai? What the hell are you on about?

I can find you a US State Department's official statement where it was called a terrorist attack. So much for your unanimity. But we already know you can't deal with facts.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Many countries have condemned the attack as a terrorist attack.Supporters of terrorists are trying to hold onto some straws.

Indians don't need other countries to define for them what is or what isn't a terrorist attack, that is a matter for Indians alone to decide. Thank you.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Literally in this very post you contradict yourself. "I'm not blaming ... ", but "just suggesting ...". You really need help.

I'll let you find your own post re. Modi and Hitler / Stalin / Mussolini.

Look, your posts don't really deserve a reply. It's the weekend and being free from work it's fun watching you operate. The cricket is not going well so I'd rather watch you make a fool out of yourself

It's completely different to say the Indian forces DID it to HIGHLY LIKELY. The fact that you can't make basic distinctions such as these leaves you in no position to suggest others need help.

Lol, find my own posts. You're not a friend of Nawaz Sharif, are you?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Those countries don't offer certificates and you're not getting one from anyone here either, lol. You really showed yourself up in the UP robbery thread.

Those countries matter not anonymous user discussions on a forum.LOL.

Poor you.So many of your "not terrorists" called and sanctioned as terrorist by the worldm

What will i do with a certificate from anyone here?Lol.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I can find you a US State Department's official statement where it was called a terrorist attack. So much for your unanimity. But we already know you can't deal with facts.

Why only US?There are statements by US UK France Germany Spain All the SAARC countries.Terrorist supporters are on the run.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Those countries matter not anonymous user discussions on a forum.LOL.

Poor you.So many of your "not terrorists" called and sanctioned as terrorist by the worldm

What will i do with a certificate from anyone here?Lol.

Lol, why reply to me now? Still looking for approval, I suppose there's a reason why you laugh at your own 'jokes'. You've shown your true colours to all by descending to such lows.

I can't give you certificates you've already got for ignorance, rhetoric and to coin a new term 'MODIfication'. You've achieved far greater heights in these disciplines than anyone on here could reward you.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol, why reply to me now? Still looking for approval, I suppose there's a reason why you laugh at your own 'jokes'. You've shown your true colours to all by descending to such lows.

I can't give you certificates you've already got for ignorance, rhetoric and to coin a new term 'MODIfication'. You've achieved far greater heights in these disciplines than anyone on here could reward you.

I understand your pain. Poor you.Your "not terrorists" called terrorist by everyone.I understand the frustration of your personal attacks.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

I understand your pain. Poor you.Your "not terrorists" called terrorist by everyone.I understand the frustration of your personal attacks.

Rhetoric and hyperbole again! It'd be funny if it was in any other thread, but shows just how much you care about even the Yatris to suit your agendas. You'll deny them truth and justice so you can continue suppressing Kashmiris.

Now you've shifted this thread's focus to terrorism. When you no longer have answers you resort to 'certificate' comments and divert the focus of the thread. As for terrorism and Islamism, I've made my points clear on other threads that there's an influence of a particular Western narrative that ties into how these terms developed over the last two decades. I will, however, refer you to post #109 as to how glaring your contradictions have become. 'Everyone' is noticing your pettiness.

You and English August are providing a welcome relief from cricket. Have you come to understand your comment on the China thread?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Rhetoric and hyperbole again! It'd be funny if it was in any other thread, but shows just how much you care about even the Yatris to suit your agendas. You'll deny them truth and justice so you can continue suppressing Kashmiris.

Now you've shifted this thread's focus to terrorism. When you no longer have answers you resort to 'certificate' comments and divert the focus of the thread. As for terrorism and Islamism, I've made my points clear on other threads that there's an influence of a particular Western narrative that ties into how these terms developed over the last two decades. I will, however, refer you to post #109 as to how glaring your contradictions have become. 'Everyone' is noticing your pettiness.

You and English August are providing a welcome relief from cricket. Have you come to understand your comment on the China thread?

If you only could come out of your habit of making personal remarks.But i understand your pain and frustration when most of the world is calling your "not terrorists" terrorists.

The focus of this thread was always a terror attack only you were in denial that it was not a terror attack.

Keep blaming western narrative or Indian narrative and everyone else.A terrorist is a terrorist and is a terrorist, be it in Amarnath or Mumbai or Paris or London or APS. Unlike you i condemn everyone of them as terror attacks.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

If you only could come out of your habit of making personal remarks.But i understand your pain and frustration when most of the world is calling your "not terrorists" terrorists.

The focus of this thread was always a terror attack only you were in denial that it was not a terror attack.

Keep blaming western narrative or Indian narrative and everyone else.A terrorist is a terrorist and is a terrorist, be it in Amarnath or Mumbai or Paris or London or APS. Unlike you i condemn everyone of them as terror attacks.

There are no attacks, your points are self-defeating. 'Most of the world did not call this a terrorist attack and to try to prove that point you posted a link of Taliban indiscriminately killing children in Peshawar. You've sunk to low depths, that's not an attack but a reality of where you are right now.

Let's say these were terrorists and the 'world' considers them as such, that same 'world' declared these deaths as result of a crossfire between the 'Indian police' and 'Kashmiri militants/insurgents', they didn't specify whether one party killed more than the other. The implication is that both were to blame and in the grander scheme of this conflict and india's stubbornness, every right minded individual with any knowledge would say the blame lies solely with the Indian government.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Move all Hindu pandits back to kashmir
There's got to be a solution

 

[cricketjoshila]

There are no attacks, your points are self-defeating. 'Most of the world did not call this a terrorist attack and to try to prove that point you posted a link of Taliban indiscriminately killing children in Peshawar. You've sunk to low depths, that's not an attack but a reality of where you are right now.

Let's say these were terrorists and the 'world' considers them as such, that same 'world' declared these deaths as result of a crossfire between the 'Indian police' and 'Kashmiri militants/insurgents', they didn't specify whether one party killed more than the other. The implication is that both were to blame and in the grander scheme of this conflict and india's stubbornness, every right minded individual with any knowledge would say the blame lies solely with the Indian government.

As i told and i am repeating myself, majority of world leaders have called it a terror attack.Thats what matters.You can cry yourself hoarse it will not change.

Keep defending the terrorists.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

As i told and i am repeating myself, majority of world leaders have called it a terror attack.Thats what matters.You can cry yourself hoarse it will not change.

Keep defending the terrorists.

One of the most militarised places on Earth cant prove security for their own pilgrims
Bit of a shame wouldnt you say

Or du think the Indians are using Israeli tactics again I.e wartime in Gaza during Ramadans

 

[cricketjoshila]

One of the most militarised places on Earth cant prove security for their own pilgrims
Bit of a shame wouldnt you say

Or du think the Indians are using Israeli tactics again I.e wartime in Gaza during Ramadans

The bus was unlucky.It got some issue and was delayed and hence was moving in the area at 8.30 when they were not supposed to be there after 7.Therefore it was not with the security convoy that was escorting the tourists.

I have no idea what are Israeli tactics are.But i would be more than happy to answer your question if you could tell me.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

As i told and i am repeating myself, majority of world leaders have called it a terror attack.Thats what matters.You can cry yourself hoarse it will not change.

Keep defending the terrorists.

You're defending terrorism going by your own definition and judging by some of your other comments I don't think you really understand what you write most of the time.

As far I'm aware most if not all world leaders outside of the region will even know of this attack, let alone call it a terrorist attack. Like you, I'm not referring to ambassadors of those countries who are the only ones to my knowledge who have commented on it.

Keep repeating what you want, not going to make it true

 

[big_gamer007]

RIP to the victims hopefully the friends and family have enough strength and courage to deal with this tragic time..

Wish the guilty would be punished ASAP.

 

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Many countries have condemned the attack as a terrorist attack.Supporters of terrorists are trying to hold onto some straws.

Same could be said about supporters of rapist in Indian army uniform. Many countries have condemned rape and killing innocents but supporter of rapist and innocent killers in India still support them.