Holding disappointed with Pakistan, Australia and England not taking a knee during their series

[Joseph Gomes]

Is Holding becoming senile? How many back people live in Pakistan?

BLM is a movement that's way past its expiration date. The riots in US has destroyed its reputation around the world. Not only people don't care about random American being shot across the globe, they despise the virtue signallers as well.

 

[MenInG]

Is Holding becoming senile? How many back people live in Pakistan?

BLM is a movement that's way past its expiration date. The riots in US has destroyed its reputation around the world. Not only people don't care about random American being shot across the globe, they despise the virtue signallers as well.

Seems like a bit of a generalisation to me from you. Many people care about BLM

 

[Bhaijaan]

Great comments from Jofra actually. I hope Michael Holding feels assured now.

If he's making comments without researching what is going on, then it's quite unfortunate.

What is the difference then between you and a random fan who knows nothing about cricket politics.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Seems like a bit of a generalisation to me from you. Many people care about BLM

Not outside the woke/twitter circle. Average people don't care much and a good amount dislikes the movement entirely.

 

[sweep_shot]

Black Lives Matter: England to mark movement during West Indies series

England will honour the Black Lives Matter movement during their five-match T20 series against West Indies, says captain Heather Knight.

The first match in the series takes place on Monday at The Incora County Ground, Derby.

"We've had a chat as players and we definitely want to do something to honour the movement," said Knight.

"I'll speak to (West Indies captain) Stafanie Taylor to work out what it will look like for both teams."

The two teams are in separate bio-secure bubbles so Knight has been texting Taylor to discuss how best to mark the movement, but the skipper did confirm England will wear the BLM logo on their shirts.

During the men's series between England and West Indies earlier in the summer, both teams took a knee before the start of play.

Both England and West Indies will be playing their first competitive match since the T20 World Cup in March.

South Africa were due to tour England but pulled out because of Covid-19-related travel restrictions, while February's World Cup in Australia has been pushed back a year.

"It has been tough," said Knight. "We were in our first training bubble and within two days we found out the World Cup was cancelled and South Africa had pulled out.

"It's been a very surreal time for all of us and we're all excited and very grateful to the West Indies for coming over. It was a 10-day turnaround to get them locked in to tour.

"We're massively grateful to them, their board and the England and Wales Cricket Board for making it happen."

Source: https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/54196736.

 

[Indiafan]

Not outside the woke/twitter circle. Average people don't care much and a good amount dislikes the movement entirely.

This is what happens when gullible people just get the information from rigth wing sites on the internet.

Also I hve never seen one decent person use the term woke unironically.

I love how someone who comes parroting right wing propaganda terms, specifically designed to brainwash gullible people against valid concerns, presumes to talk about average people

Average people dont parrot right wing propaganda terms blindly. Even your vocabulary is not your own but fed to you. And you presume that the average, man doesn't have decency and doesn't want equality or cannot think about other people?

 

[James]

Sportsmen taking the knee at a widely televised event would not actually have been an empty gesture. It would have been a strong anti-racist statement. This statement could have then gained further traction.

This was a missed opportunity. It only takes a few seconds to take a knee. It is powerful, symbolic, meaningful, and it shows an admirable level of solidarity. On this occasion, I agree with Michael Holding.

 

[MenInG]

So will IPL support BLM? Lets see.

 

[JibranAnsari]

Hope they raise issue of yemen children dying of famine , 85000 in last two years.

 

[MenInG]

Hope they raise issue of yemen children dying of famine , 85000 in last two years.

No one cares for them even though the venue of IPL is well connected to that situation.

 

[MenInG]

"We should certainly be talking about it,” said Australian batting great Ricky Ponting while elucidating current limited overs skipper Aaron Finch’s recent stand on not taking a knee in support of the Black Lives Matter movement.

While players from the England and West Indies teams took the symbolic position on the field before the start of every match in their three-Test series in July, the same has not happened during Australia’s tour of England.

Finch had said his team decided against taking a knee after raising the matter with England skipper Eoin Morgan because “education around it is more important than the protest”.

Asked about the remarks that did not go down well with West Indian pace legend Michael Holding, Ponting said, “I think what Finch was trying to say (is) that people need more education on the issue before taking a proper stance on it or putting across a protest.”

READ | Holding: You can't stamp out racism in sport without tackling it in society

Holding has been a vocal advocate of the movement that gained momentum with the killing of African American George Floyd in Minneapolis after being pinned to the ground by a white police officer for allegedly using a counterfeit bill.

Speaking during InsideSport’s ‘Amstrad Face 2 Face Cricket Series’, Ponting added on the issue, “It’s not just about the Australian cricket team, it’s about Australian cricket and it’s about the world game.

“It’s a huge issue in world society at this point and as cricketers we should do what we can to help the cause or around that cause. We should certainly be talking about it.”

Asked about Australia’s stance on the BLM movement during its tour of England, head coach Justin Langer acknowledged it could have been discussed more upon the squad’s arrival in the UK as the first sports team from Australia to travel overseas since the COVID-19 pandemic broke.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...pport-racism-cricket-news/article32653127.ece

 

[MenInG]

(Reuters) - Former England striker Les Ferdinand believes 'taking a knee' in support of the Black Lives Matter cause has become nothing short of a PR stunt and that the real message is being diluted.

Ferdinand, who is Black, is now Director of Football at Queens Park Rangers who were criticised after both sets of players opted not to take the knee before their match against Coventry City in the Championship on Friday.

The London club issued a statement on Monday saying that it in no way suggested a lack of support for the campaign.

Ferdinand, who made his name as a prolific striker at QPR and enjoyed successful spells at Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur, said the criticism of a club he calls one of the most diverse in England was unwarranted.

"This should not be about QPR. Many clubs did not take the knee on the opening weekend, yet this was not reported," Ferdinand, 53, said in a club statement.

"Taking the knee was very powerful but we feel that impact has now been diluted."

The Black Lives Matter cause was taken up by Premier League clubs on the resumption of last season following the death of George Floyd, a black man who died in police custody in Minneapolis on May 25.

Premier League club wore the Black Lives Matter log on their shirts but that has now been replaced by "No Room for Racism".

Whether to continue taking a knee before games has divided opinion across sport and Ferdinand believes the gesture, first performed by NFL player Colin Kaepernick in 2016, is in danger of becoming an empty one.

"No one is more passionate than me about this topic. I have spoken on the matter throughout my footballing life," he said.

"Recently, I took the decision not to do any more interviews on racism in football because the debate was going around in circles. People want a nice soundbite when something happens, but how many of the media who have criticised QPR over the past 48 hours genuinely want change?

"The taking of the knee has reached a point of 'good PR' but little more than that. The message has been lost. It is now not dissimilar to a fancy hashtag or a nice pin badge."

Premier League players have continued to take the knee before games since the start of the new season.

Reacting to Ferdinand's comments, anti-discrimination charity Kick It Out said it encouraged players to protest in whatever way they felt comfortable.

"I agree that we need to focus on action that creates real change. We should be talking about solutions not symbols," said Kick It Out chairman Sanjay Bhandari.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

The gesture has become meaningless now, almost comical - the players in sports like football are just going through the motions.

 

[Kroll]

I recall this guy was running mouth on public TV about the likes of Pakistan not showing solidarity with BLM. Therefore, why can't he have stood up for all of cricket by questioning the discrimination of Pak players from the IPL.

This would have added credibility to his own disappointment about certain countries not taking the knee etc. This only shows his lack of understanding and empathy on world level whilst we do understand his own feelings about the BLM.

The ECB also talk a good game but there is no evidence to the contrary. This is a segment of their statement from the OP:

Our refreshed inclusion and diversity strategy, published at the start of the West Indies Series, commits to several comprehensive initiatives that focus on eliminating discrimination from all areas of cricket.

"all areas of cricket" - really? You could have fooled me.

Obviously, you only pay lip service in return for getting paid handsome sums of money when it comes to prejudice and discrimination in all forms of cricket.

 

[Firebat]

Pakistan opting not to take the knee alongside the Windies today.

 

[MesonK]

Good to see Pakistani team not becoming part of a Communist political agenda. I hope India does same.

 

[shaz619]

Disappointing scenes, Pakistan just proving how deep rooted racism is in Pakistani culture, I have personally experienced this and I was hoping for more of an open mind. #BlackLivesMatter

 

[street cricketer]

Good to see Pakistani team not becoming part of a Communist political agenda. I hope India does same.

What the heck does taking the knee have to do with communism..

I would be very surprised if the Indian team takes the knee but I sure hope they do so.

 

[street cricketer]

What the heck does taking the knee have to do with communism..

I would be very surprised if the Indian team takes the knee but I sure hope they do so.

With that said, desi cricketers taking the knee would've rang hollow without them talking for equal treatment of minorities in their respective countries (and I'm talking about all the countries in the subcontinent).

 

[Line and Length]

Pakistan opting not to take the knee alongside the Windies today.

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Not sure why they’re not taking the knee, but good to see them showing solidarity with the cause.

 

[Ahmed_99]

The Pakistan team probably don't know too much about the significance of the knee. I'm sure if they understood then they'd be taking it as well

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not sure why they’re not taking the knee, but good to see them showing solidarity with the cause.

I actually think this shows more empathy as it is a meaningful gesture of respect in Pakistan whereas taking the knee is foreign. Great idea whoever thought of it.

 

[mazkhan]

Muslims only subdue themselves for Allah,

It is against Islamic faith to subdue for a human,animal or any man-made cause.

As pakistanis we have solidarity against racism suffered by blacks


But let's be fair the islamaphobia and **** bashing in the west is just as bad if not worse.

Also I've found in the UK that blacks from mixed race and carribean are extremely racist , violent and jealous of asians and pakistanis
Africans on the other hand are very nice people

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

With that said, desi cricketers taking the knee would've rang hollow without them talking for equal treatment of minorities in their respective countries (and I'm talking about all the countries in the subcontinent).

I feel it would have felt disingenuous aswell considering most Pakistani players probably have no idea what BLM is about or what taking the knee connotes.

 

[Cricketrenew]

When kaepernick took the knee and he was virtually alone globally but supported by a few it was those people that supported him, that really supported the cause.

Now after the initial outrage in America of the police brutality, I feel people are going through the motions with it in Sport.

Talking about cricket has anything changed for the better. Looking at the counties in the UK and the lack of asians and minorities.

Talking about football and the lack of asians and minorities.

Globally this evil has to be countered but without everyone looking at themselves first then educating others it will never happen. Strong Characters and Polticians are needed to take a lot of people with them when making change but there is very few people with courage.

 

[Kroll]

Muslims only subdue themselves for Allah,

It is against Islamic faith to subdue for a human,animal or any man-made cause.

As pakistanis we have solidarity against racism suffered by blacks


But let's be fair the islamaphobia and **** bashing in the west is just as bad if not worse.

Also I've found in the UK that blacks from mixed race and carribean are extremely racist , violent and jealous of asians and pakistanis
Africans on the other hand are very nice people

That may be your honest perspective but therein lies the problem - generalisation of whole subgroups of people.

 

[Muhammad Kaleem]

Keep this western civilizational stuff (BLM etc.) to yourselves. Don't drag Pakistan into it.

Much more horrific stuff have happened in our country and surroundings and we did not demand our guests to bend the knee or other stupid gesture.

 

[Smbhayi]

Lol why they need to bent their knees?

 

[iniqbal223]

BLM movement has been for a good cause; but execution of this so called peaceful protest was so terrible ; that many people lost lives (who had nothing to do with)

But no BLM leaders/influencers/athletes did say anything about meaningless violence and damage to properties


I am all for respecting individuals and equal rights, but this has to be in a peaceful and meaningful manner;;
No point carrying this on forever

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

I'm really surprised and more disappointed that our players and some of our fans do not understand the importance of the BLM movement

 

[Rafa]

Very good. There's no need to cater to the sensitivities of the Western World. What has BLM movement got to do with Pakistan ? Americans think that the World revolves around them and everyone should follow suit in their token gestures.

 

[MenInG]

Point is that they showed solidarity in a way which is fine for them and that needs to be appreciated.

 

[Rajdeep]

Well done Pakistan. BLM is a political movement created by left liberals. There is no need for sub continent players to adhere to it. Hope India dont do this knee drama as well.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

I hear all the comments but still haven't got Pakistan's reasoning on not taking a knee. Why are they not taking it? is there an official explanation?

I am not a proponent or opponent at this stage, just want to know reasons.

 

[Varun]

I hear all the comments but still haven't got Pakistan's reasoning on not taking a knee. Why are they not taking it? is there an official explanation?

I am not a proponent or opponent at this stage, just want to know reasons.

Because they have nothing to do with white or black.

Good stuff. Let Holding continue to do what he does best - whine.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Point is that they showed solidarity in a way which is fine for them and that needs to be appreciated.

That point seems to have been missed by many on this thread. But it is actually the main point.

 

[ssuhaide]

When kaepernick took the knee and he was virtually alone globally but supported by a few it was those people that supported him, that really supported the cause.

Now after the initial outrage in America of the police brutality, I feel people are going through the motions with it in Sport.

Talking about cricket has anything changed for the better. Looking at the counties in the UK and the lack of asians and minorities.

Talking about football and the lack of asians and minorities.

Globally this evil has to be countered but without everyone looking at themselves first then educating others it will never happen. Strong Characters and Polticians are needed to take a lot of people with them when making change but there is very few people with courage.

Excellent post.
A number of UK soccer teams have also stop taking the knee, the very reason for stopping is that the impact in doing it is now limited. There are other better ways to continue progress.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Yes BLM, Holding and rest of the world should take a knee, but not for the Black lives lost at the hands off the police officers, but for the Black on Black crime, more black people are murdered by other blacks than any other race of people. So yes Take a knee for BLM for > Black on Black crime, one of the biggest genocide going on in the world today.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes BLM, Holding and rest of the world should take a knee, but not for the Black lives lost at the hands off the police officers, but for the Black on Black crime, more black people are murdered by other blacks than any other race of people. So yes Take a knee for BLM for > Black on Black crime, one of the biggest genocide going on in the world today.

Would be nice to see someone say that to Holding's face if they really believe it. Who would you nominate as a candidate?

 

[Line and Length]

Well done Pakistan. BLM is a political movement created by left liberals. There is no need for sub continent players to adhere to it. Hope India dont do this knee drama as well.

Good to see Pakistani team not becoming part of a Communist political agenda. I hope India does same.

Yes BLM, Holding and rest of the world should take a knee, but not for the Black lives lost at the hands off the police officers, but for the Black on Black crime, more black people are murdered by other blacks than any other race of people. So yes Take a knee for BLM for > Black on Black crime, one of the biggest genocide going on in the world today.

What is wrong with you people?

 

[MesonK]

What the heck does taking the knee have to do with communism..

I would be very surprised if the Indian team takes the knee but I sure hope they do so.

you will have to study the origin of BLM and the people who run it. Not the debate for a sports forum

Anyways ... Pakistan has nothing to do with American politics.

 

[MesonK]

What is wrong with you people?

We want to see political agendas to be thrown out of sports. That is about it.

 

[OMB]

non issue. Any kind of gesture is fine. no need to take a knee. Also not taking knee is also fine as long as the individuals can make a public stand to show solidarity separately.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Would be nice to see someone say that to Holding's face if they really believe it. Who would you nominate as a candidate?

Do you agree with my post as a whole ? or partially agree ? or disagree completly.

 

[moghul]

Racism used to be a big issue, has not completely eliminated in USA but has gone down to a large extend in recent decades.

There are much more bigger problems in the which needs global support and backing than BLM issue. What about daily killing and apartheid like situation and daily killing of Palestinians and Kashmiris for an example . Will the black players will ever take a stand for that , never, its not in their political interest.

Don;t know about other countries , but here in USA, blacks enjoy so much privileges , other communities cannot imagine, particularly not Pakistanis ( and Indians ).

Every life is precious , but how come George Floyd's life is more more precious than thousands of Palestinians and Kashmiris and Burmies muslim died in recent years, how much support they received.

Moin Ali got a warning from ICC just for wearing a headband in support of killing in Gaza.

All lives matter, not just back lives.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do you agree with my post as a whole ? or partially agree ? or disagree completly.

It's been discussed to death in the TP forum, take it up there if you want an in depth analysis. In fact I even did a thread myself called Pak lives matter, all very interesting I'm sure, but in context of this series, I thought the Pakistan players did a decent compromise.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

That BLM is a fake. How many of those BLM followers will take a Stand to support Palestine? NOT A SINGLE PERSON...INCLUDING HOLDING.

 

[Sir-fraz]

What the heck does taking the knee have to do with communism..

I would be very surprised if the Indian team takes the knee but I sure hope they do so.

Blm and antifa have are commie funded, antfia were used by the commies vs nazi germany.. its literally in history..

Blm is a racist organization that wants to resegregate society. Dont fall for the MSM propoganda..

 

[The_KING]

BLM is a Marxist movement. Why should Pakistanis support this movement? I am sick of this nonsensical taking the knee gesture that everyone has to do just because a cop killed a black criminal. What about all the innocent Palestine people or Kashmiri people that are getting killed? Their lives don't matter, but lives of black criminals like George Floyd should matter.

And besides, I love how people acti like only black people are victims of racism. What about Asian brown skinned people like Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Chinese etc. Even white people can be victims of racism. This idea that only black people are victims of racism is complete nonsense. In fact, from my experience living in the UK over the past 17 years, black people are actually the most racist.

People like Holding can keep on playing the race card. That is what they are good at.

 

[PakLFC]

Well Mr Holding should we do this knee thing for the rest of our days? Next the public will be told to do it at concerts, shopping malls, parks and banks. The aftermath of England's defeat to Italy at the Euro's when black players were abused proves this knee thing will not end racism or any discrimination anywhere. Obviously Mikey does not know his own black people use the N word for each other then cry when others do it. If anything racism seems to be on the rise since this BLM movement started.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I hope one day people will start showing solidarity against Israel's atrocities against Muslims.

 

[PakLFC]

I hope one day people will start showing solidarity against Israel's atrocities against Muslims.

First lets see some Muslim unity on this issue before talking about the world. For heaven sake even most Arab's seem to support Israel where as non Muslim Arab countries don't care either way. It is only us Pakistanis who consider ourselves saviours of this Ummat thing that never existed in the first place.

 

[PakLFC]

First lets see some Muslim unity on this issue before talking about the world. For heaven sake even most Arab's seem to support Israel where as non Muslim Arab countries don't care either way. It is only us Pakistanis who consider ourselves saviours of this Ummat thing that never existed in the first place.

I meant most non Arab Muslim's.

 

[moghul]

First lets see some Muslim unity on this issue before talking about the world. For heaven sake even most Arab's seem to support Israel where as non Muslim Arab countries don't care either way. It is only us Pakistanis who consider ourselves saviours of this Ummat thing that never existed in the first place.

For me Palestinian matter is not a Muslim or religious matter and care how those idiot Arabs act on it, its an human right issue and had Palestinian were non-Muslim, my reaction would have been the same.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

We want to see political agendas to be thrown out of sports. That is about it.

Yes, but wearing poppies in the premier league is just fine.

 

[tahir_dj]

Isn't this knee thing going too far??
Fair enough they have done it once or twice. But now it is getting ridiculous.
You cant just carry on doing it at start of every series.
Or if you wanna do it just do it your self don't push your agenda on others or try to make other look bad just because they are not doing it.

I don't see the same outcry where the muslims are being killed left right and centre.

 

[adzzy786]

Disappointing scenes, Pakistan just proving how deep rooted racism is in Pakistani culture, I have personally experienced this and I was hoping for more of an open mind. #BlackLivesMatter

This isn’t the case. It’s clear they are supporting support in that photo. As Muslims we do not take the knee to anyone or any cause as we only bow to our lord Allah. This is the reason why we do not take the knee. It’s not about them being racist at all, Pakistanis have enough to worry about to be racist to other minorities. We get ally wish black people the best. Also it’s very clear they have their hands on heart whilst taking the stance.

 

[Snowflake]

What is wrong with you people?

You can't discuss the ocean with a well frog.

Most of the people here are just uninformed desis who have formed their opinion about BLM based on drawing room chats with other desis. With a lack of understanding of systemic racism and the deep rooted issues that plague people of color, you can only expect responses such as "all lives matter, what about black vs black violence, BLM is political, keep politics out of sports etc.

 

[Oneking]

First lets see some Muslim unity on this issue before talking about the world. For heaven sake even most Arab's seem to support Israel where as non Muslim Arab countries don't care either way. It is only us Pakistanis who consider ourselves saviours of this Ummat thing that never existed in the first place.

Not true it has become a global issue, it’s unfortunate that majority of western news outlets are owned by or influenced by Israel in one way or another, take Turkey for example they were more vocal then Pakistan.
Arabs specifically Saudis are a different breed now, and that a different topic

 

[street cricketer]

Not true it has become a global issue, it’s unfortunate that majority of western news outlets are owned by or influenced by Israel in one way or another, take Turkey for example they were more vocal then Pakistan.
Arabs specifically Saudis are a different breed now, and that a different topic

Turkey was the first muslim country to recognise Israel and exported nearly 5 billion US dollar worth of goods to Israel last year. The arab nations are very late to the party compared to Turkey which almost immediately recognised Israel after its formation.

 

[karthikc]

You can't discuss the ocean with a well frog.

Most of the people here are just uninformed desis who have formed their opinion about BLM based on drawing room chats with other desis. With a lack of understanding of systemic racism and the deep rooted issues that plague people of color, you can only expect responses such as "all lives matter, what about black vs black violence, BLM is political, keep politics out of sports etc.

So next what, you want sainthood for George Floyd?

 

[GudduBadmash]

Pakistanis and Muslims in general are one of the most discriminated against.

People should be taking the knee for us too if that's the case. Why moan about Pakistan not doing it. We have more problems than them

 

[Waleed93]

BLM is a Marxist movement. Why should Pakistanis support this movement? I am sick of this nonsensical taking the knee gesture that everyone has to do just because a cop killed a black criminal. What about all the innocent Palestine people or Kashmiri people that are getting killed? Their lives don't matter, but lives of black criminals like George Floyd should matter.

And besides, I love how people acti like only black people are victims of racism. What about Asian brown skinned people like Pakistanis, Indians, Bangladeshis, Chinese etc. Even white people can be victims of racism. This idea that only black people are victims of racism is complete nonsense. In fact, from my experience living in the UK over the past 17 years, black people are actually the most racist.

People like Holding can keep on playing the race card. That is what they are good at.

Thanks for saying what I came to say.

 

[MesonK]

Yes, but wearing poppies in the premier league is just fine. ��

English want to celebrate something they deem as part of their heritage then its their choice. They are not forcing others to kneel and bow down to them like this communist BLM hate group wants everyone else to bow down to their black racial nationalism ideas. Pakistan has nothing to do with american politics or history.

 

[MesonK]

Holing is a sore person who is using the race card to get attention. This man made so much money playing in every continent on earth and now suddenly he feels "discriminated" against.

Sports should be literally filtered from politics.

 

[shaz619]

This isn’t the case. It’s clear they are supporting support in that photo. As Muslims we do not take the knee to anyone or any cause as we only bow to our lord Allah. This is the reason why we do not take the knee. It’s not about them being racist at all, Pakistanis have enough to worry about to be racist to other minorities. We get ally wish black people the best. Also it’s very clear they have their hands on heart whilst taking the stance.

Religious reasons are understandable but I had thought a knee would be pretty harmless, if they were going to bow like they do after a hundred or 5fer I’d get it, anyhow they are showing respect at least as you have described

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Some very misguided posts here. BLM isnt a political movement I personally support but some people are way off the mark with their statements.

BLM is about the structural oppression/racism of black people in America. Everybody knows that blacks killing each other in gang crimes etc is wrong. When found those people are punished and rightly so. However, in the USA there is a perception that Black lives are seen as dispensable by the authorities when compared to white lives. Even a non supporter of BLM can see that there may be some truth in this perception when you compare the treatment of white shooters/criminals by the police vs black ones. The authorities are accountable to the public, are funded by tax payers and elected by them so people have every right to protest against them. Comparing black on black crimes to state persecution is comparing apples to oranges.

Secondly nobody is arguing that George Flloyd is some sort of a saint. He may have committed crimes BUT he did not deserve to be murdered in brought daylight without the due criminal process having taken place.

It is important that people see the distinction and the poor quality quasi-racist posts demonising and generalising black people shows the lack of education about these issues among our communities.

That being said it isn't an issue for non-western countries ( maybe even for non US countries). Just because something is happening in the US doesn't;t mean it automatically affects other countries. Pakistanis and Indians have every right not to kneel and it is completely unreasonable for Holding to expect other countries to....especially when touring the Carribean!

The gesture becomes hollow when non westerners are in a majority black country and kneeling to a majority black crowd. What does Holding want them to kneel for?

 

[YousafTheBeast]

English want to celebrate something they deem as part of their heritage then its their choice. They are not forcing others to kneel and bow down to them like this communist BLM hate group wants everyone else to bow down to their black racial nationalism ideas. Pakistan has nothing to do with american politics or history.

You know that not every player in the league is English? Why are foreign players told to wear poppies? It’s not Salah’s heritage yet he’s got to wear the poppy.

When James McLean refused to wear the poppy, he received abuse all over SM and by the tabloids. The same people who abused him for not wearing the poppy are the same ones who say keep politics out of sports, lol.

Wearing the poppy is a political symbol, and non English players are forced to wear it or else they’d be facing abuse on a daily basis.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pakistanis and Muslims in general are one of the most discriminated against.

People should be taking the knee for us too if that's the case. Why moan about Pakistan not doing it. We have more problems than them

Well who is stopping Pakistanis or Muslims from taking their own stand? You can't complain about blacks standing up for themselves just because we don't.

 

[MesonK]

You know that not every player in the league is English? Why are foreign players told to wear poppies? It’s not Salah’s heritage yet he’s got to wear the poppy.

When James McLean refused to wear the poppy, he received abuse all over SM and by the tabloids. The same people who abused him for not wearing the poppy are the same ones who say keep politics out of sports, lol.

Wearing the poppy is a political symbol, and non English players are forced to wear it or else they’d be facing abuse on a daily basis.

I am amazed you can not see the irony in your own words. These few foreigner players you are using as example are basically migrants or employed in UK. You do what your employer organization tells you to do because you are being paid by them. I work in Europe, I am forced to accept LGBT agenda because my employer organization tells me to do so, even though my religion (which is my personal matter) has zero tolerance for this group ... same way when white workers come to Saudi Arabia etc their females cover head.

Pakistani cricket team is not employed by BLM that they have to kneel before a racial supremacist ideology originated from American ghetto gang culture. Pakistanis have nothing to do with american history.

 

[MesonK]

Secondly nobody is arguing that George Flloyd is some sort of a saint. He may have committed crimes BUT he did not deserve to be murdered in brought daylight without the due criminal process having taken place.

Pakistani cricketers should take knee for Cannon Hinnant, Doty Whitaker or thousands other victims of race crime committed by black supremacists as well? What does Pakistanis in general or cricketers have to do with American problems? Our cricketers represent a diverse multicultural country where ethnicities are well integrated with each other. We are happy this way.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

I am amazed you can not see the irony in your own words. These few foreigner players you are using as example are basically migrants or employed in UK. You do what your employer organization tells you to do because you are being paid by them. I work in Europe, I am forced to accept LGBT agenda because my employer organization tells me to do so, even though my religion (which is my personal matter) has zero tolerance for this group ... same way when white workers come to Saudi Arabia etc their females cover head.

Pakistani cricket team is not employed by BLM that they have to kneel before a racial supremacist ideology originated from American ghetto gang culture. Pakistanis have nothing to do with american history.

Omds bruv, it still doesn’t change the fact that a poppy is a political symbol. A political symbol that’s used in sports. These are athletes, their job is to play football, not to show support for a political symbol.

Another example is when the ICC allowed Andrew Strauss to wear a HFH wrist band throughout most of his career, yet Moeen Ali does it with the Palestine wrist band and it becomes an issue.

It’s only an issue when it’s in favour of minorities.

 

[PakLFC]

Not true it has become a global issue, it’s unfortunate that majority of western news outlets are owned by or influenced by Israel in one way or another, take Turkey for example they were more vocal then Pakistan.
Arabs specifically Saudis are a different breed now, and that a different topic

Global issue does not mean any Muslim country really supports Palestine. Once again most Muslim countries neither care not support Palestine. The Arab's, Indonesia, Malaysia, Morocco, Alegria, Tunisia and so forth couldn't care less about Palestine. Likes of Turkey only do so when it suits them. Everyone wants to be associated with successful countries like Israel not Arab losers.

 

[PakLFC]

For me Palestinian matter is not a Muslim or religious matter and care how those idiot Arabs act on it, its an human right issue and had Palestinian were non-Muslim, my reaction would have been the same.

Lets first worry about our human rights before dressing the wounds of others. We have enough on our plate then to worry about a people about who have never cared about us. Problem with Pakistanis is we see ourselves as saviours of this Ummah thing poking our nose everywhere. Our concern is IoK and even Afghanistan as these issues effect us directly, to hell with the rest especially the Arab's!

 

[GudduBadmash]

Well who is stopping Pakistanis or Muslims from taking their own stand? You can't complain about blacks standing up for themselves just because we don't.

Well then why does Holding want Pakistanis to kneel though?
With all due respect it has nothing to do with Pakistanis, they aren't the ones causing the African Community any harm.



Cannot force someone to submit to your ideology.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistani cricketers should take knee for Cannon Hinnant, Doty Whitaker or thousands other victims of race crime committed by black supremacists as well? What does Pakistanis in general or cricketers have to do with American problems? Our cricketers represent a diverse multicultural country where ethnicities are well integrated with each other. We are happy this way.

Did you not read the rest of my post?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Some very misguided posts here. BLM isnt a political movement I personally support but some people are way off the mark with their statements.

BLM is about the structural oppression/racism of black people in America. Everybody knows that blacks killing each other in gang crimes etc is wrong. When found those people are punished and rightly so. However, in the USA there is a perception that Black lives are seen as dispensable by the authorities when compared to white lives. Even a non supporter of BLM can see that there may be some truth in this perception when you compare the treatment of white shooters/criminals by the police vs black ones. The authorities are accountable to the public, are funded by tax payers and elected by them so people have every right to protest against them. Comparing black on black crimes to state persecution is comparing apples to oranges.

Secondly nobody is arguing that George Flloyd is some sort of a saint. He may have committed crimes BUT he did not deserve to be murdered in brought daylight without the due criminal process having taken place.

It is important that people see the distinction and the poor quality quasi-racist posts demonising and generalising black people shows the lack of education about these issues among our communities.

That being said it isn't an issue for non-western countries ( maybe even for non US countries). Just because something is happening in the US doesn't;t mean it automatically affects other countries. Pakistanis and Indians have every right not to kneel and it is completely unreasonable for Holding to expect other countries to....especially when touring the Carribean!

The gesture becomes hollow when non westerners are in a majority black country and kneeling to a majority black crowd. What does Holding want them to kneel for?

Yes it is. BLM group was given high publicity to get black voters out for Biden. Ethnics were also given high roles by Democrats because they were desperate to beat Trump.

In sport we have had Kick out Racism in football. We could have had smash racism for 6 in cricket, using advertising boards, t-shirts for fans etc. BLM is divisive as many cant understand why only blacks are being supported when so many ethnicities currently are being discriminated again.

For the record, I support anti-racism and I support no racism against black people, strongly.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Nobody is asking the pakistan players to solve racism, just take 20 seconds before the match to symbolically say "yeah that sh!t is messed up and it's wrong"... the way people are complaining here it's like Windies asked them to personally fix everything about racism

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nobody is asking the pakistan players to solve racism, just take 20 seconds before the match to symbolically say "yeah that sh!t is messed up and it's wrong"... the way people are complaining here it's like Windies asked them to personally fix everything about racism

No they shouldnt because the ICC will not allow them to take the knee or raise a fist for Kashmiris or Paletinians. Pakistan shouldnt cower to the political propaganda in America, nothing to do with them and esp its a country which has bombed and killed over 300 children in Pakistan.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes it is. BLM group was given high publicity to get black voters out for Biden. Ethnics were also given high roles by Democrats because they were desperate to beat Trump.

In sport we have had Kick out Racism in football. We could have had smash racism for 6 in cricket, using advertising boards, t-shirts for fans etc. BLM is divisive as many cant understand why only blacks are being supported when so many ethnicities currently are being discriminated again.

For the record, I support anti-racism and I support no racism against black people, strongly.

Sorry my post in this thread hasn't been clear. I wasn't disputing that BLM is a political movement, just that its a political movement that I dont personally support as it feels like we are importing American cultural wars that have nothing to do with the rest of the planet.

I can sympathise with those that support it though as overall its pros far outweigh its cons ( in America).