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The link says "Norway is Tesla’s top per capita market". You really are not getting my point.

The Norwegian market in dollar terms is tiny and insignificant. Your post said "Norwegians, when they get used to one type of car, it's very difficult to change that". This seemed to imply that if Tesla failed in Norway, it was doomed. Hence my "Norway who?" comment.

You may think otherwise, but success in Norway bears no relation to success in the rest of the world. The link you provided also says "A Tesla Model X is the country’s fourth best-selling car." Many Scandinavians tend to believe they are the world's thought leaders, you seem to have fallen victim to the same error.

Lol, don’t try to go in that direction. I never said Tesla’s days are done. You made an arrogant statement, and I informed you about Norway’s part in this EV World. Of course when Norway’s entire population is less than 6 millions it will not have any effect on Tesla’s survival, but in relation to the population Norway is right up there. Really amazed you missed that point. And when Norway’s share markedet is less than 1 per cent of the World it would have been stupid of me to ‘brag’ about it’s effects on a big company like Tesla. It’s all relative.

And lol, not my fault that my country is often in top lists when people talk about finances, education, welfare etc..

And finally my initial post here was only to state how this new Honda might be welcomed here in Norway, just like [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] understood, but your post provoked me and I got emotional.
 
Fair enough, I got a different impression as this thread was about Tesla EVs losing out to competitors like Honda.

However, Norway could also provide an early indicator for Tesla in terms of sales if other manufacturers start producing decent cars.
 
A Tesla driver crashed into a police car after allegedly watching a film while his vehicle was on autopilot.

A North Carolina state trooper and a Nash County deputy said it happened while they were responding to a previous crash on Highway 64.

Devainder Goli's car hit the deputy's vehicle first, according to local media. That vehicle then hit the trooper's car, pushing both officers to the ground, police said.

Fortunately, no one was hurt.

Mr Goli, from the state's capital city, Raleigh, has been charged with watching television while operating a vehicle and violating the move-over law.

He is reported to be a doctor working in emergency medicine.

Tesla says its autopilot system is designed to "assist you with the most burdensome parts of driving".

It adds on its website that the software "enables your car to steer, accelerate and brake automatically within its lane".

But it warns that it "requires active driver supervision" and does not make the car autonomous.

The company's chief executive Elon Musk said last month that its engineers were "very close" to developing a completely autonomous driving system, the basics of which he is confident will be completed this year.

For now, however, the autopilot feature is only intended for driver assistance and a driver must be ready to intervene at all times, the manufacturer says.

Earlier this year, Tesla was criticised for a lack of safeguards in its autopilot system, following a fatal crash in California.

Apple engineer Walter Huang died when his self-driving Tesla Model X hit a concrete barrier near Mountain View in March 2018.

There was another incident last month, when authorities in Arizona said a man from California was driving a Tesla on autopilot when it hit a state trooper's SUV on the side of a road and pushed it into an ambulance.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has begun investigations into more than a dozen Tesla crashes dating back to at least 2016 - when it believes autopilot was in use.

https://news.sky.com/story/tesla-dr...-into-police-car-while-watching-film-12058830
 
Tesla founder Elon Musk has announced technology that he says will make Tesla batteries cheaper and more powerful.

At a live presentation that Mr Musk labelled 'Battery Day' he also teased the possibility of a $25,000 (£19,600), fully-autonomous Tesla "in about three years time".

"This has always been our dream to make an affordable electric car," he said.
 
Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. As ever the main challenge is the batteries.

Lithium Ion is a dying technology - it is all about Hydrogen cells now.
 
Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. As ever the main challenge is the batteries.

Lithium Ion is a dying technology - it is all about Hydrogen cells now.

It's not.. although i wish it was.. hydrogen cells can achieve higher efficiency for it to compete with Lithium Ion... States has quiet a few Hydrogen fueling stations but except Japs not everyone is really investing in it.

Also if achieved that will have bigger impact than lithium ion, it will also affect cooking. Also

"In 2003 US President George W. Bush boldly announced that America would lead the world in developing clean, hydrogen-powered automobiles" - theconversation

Fuel efficiency is very low for now for it to become mainstream.
 
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There is no big improvement to go to EV from Oil w.r.t climate, atleast I don't understand it ,not to forget the monopoly of Tesla would be huge for anyone to compete with them and on the way there is going to be a massive job losses.

California today:

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/23/916209659/california-governor-signs-order-banning-sales-of-new-gasoline-cars-by-2035

California Governor Signs Order Banning Sales Of New Gasoline Cars By 2035


This is a disaster policy but they are trying to make Oil be like coal at a massive pace that will cause huge scale issues in States and countries dependent upon oil drilling..
Irrespective lets see..
 
I actually have some long term put options on a Tesla. The fact of the matter that Elon Musk has used creative accounting in Tesla’s books. And these things come back to bite you in the back.

Tesla will remain a big car manufacturer, but it’s share price will normalise.

On the day of your post (28 July) Tesla shares were at $295, today they are at $430. I hope your put options are "very very extremely longest term" rather than just "long term" :)
 
Tesla going from strength to strength.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tesla reports its fifth consecutive quarter of profits. <a href="https://t.co/q43Z6Ly3Oi">https://t.co/q43Z6Ly3Oi</a></p>— CNBC (@CNBC) <a href="https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1319009502046396417?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 21, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">On this day in 2008: Tesla secures $40 million loan to avoid bankruptcy<br><br>Today, it’s the most valuable automaker in the world. <a href="https://t.co/9ZFqu4Ql2h">pic.twitter.com/9ZFqu4Ql2h</a></p>— Jon Erlichman (@JonErlichman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonErlichman/status/1323597289596850177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 3, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
I'm doing a masters in self driving technology for electric vehicles, I work at General Motors writing software that drive your car.


I think I might know a thing or two about cars. :uakmal

does your self driving vehicle suddenly and abruptly veer into the hateful nut job direction?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tesla share price.<br><br>1st December, 2017: $61<br>1st December, 2018: $70<br>1st December, 2019: $66<br><br>Now: $609</p>— The Spectator Index (@spectatorindex) <a href="https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1338242698130513920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 13, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Tesla could had easily gone the Delorean way, shows the diff between American economic system and British one.
 
Apple targets car production by 2024 and eyes 'next level' battery technology: report

Apple Inc is moving forward with self-driving car technology and is targeting 2024 to produce a passenger vehicle that could include its own breakthrough battery technology, people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The iPhone maker's automotive efforts, known as Project Titan, have proceeded unevenly since 2014 when it first started to design its own vehicle from scratch. At one point, Apple drew back the effort to focus on software and reassessed its goals. Doug Field, an Apple veteran who had worked at Tesla Inc, returned to oversee the project in 2018 and laid off 190 people from the team in 2019.

Since then, Apple has progressed enough that it now aims to build a vehicle for consumers, two people familiar with the effort said, asking not to be named because Apple's plans are not public. Apple's goal of building a personal vehicle for the mass market contrasts with rivals such as Alphabet Inc's Waymo, which has built robo-taxis to carry passengers for a driverless ride-hailing service.

Central to Apple's strategy is a new battery design that could “radically” reduce the cost of batteries and increase the vehicle's range, according to a third person who has seen Apple's battery design. Apple declined to comment on its plans or future products.

Making a vehicle represents a supply chain challenge even for Apple, a company with deep pockets that makes hundreds of millions of electronics products each year with parts from around the world, but has never made a car. It took Elon Musk's Tesla 17 years before it finally turned a sustained profit making cars.

“If there is one company on the planet that has the resources to do that, it's probably Apple. But at the same time, it's not a cellphone,” said a person who worked on Project Titan.

It remains unclear who would assemble an Apple-branded car, but sources have said they expect the company to rely on a manufacturing partner to build vehicles. And there is still a chance Apple will decide to reduce the scope of its efforts to an autonomous driving system that would be integrated with a car made by a traditional automaker, rather than the iPhone maker selling an Apple-branded car, one of the people added.

Two people with knowledge of Apple's plans warned pandemic-related delays could push the start of production into 2025 or beyond.

Shares of Tesla ended 6.5 per cent lower on Monday after their debut in the S&P 500 on Monday. Apple shares ended 1.24pc higher after the news.

Apple has decided to tap outside partners for elements of the system, including lidar sensors, which help self-driving cars get a three-dimensional view of the road, two people familiar with the company's plans said.

Apple's car might feature multiple lidar sensors for scanning different distances, another person said. Some sensors could be derived from Apple's internally developed lidar units, that person said. Apple's iPhone 12 Pro and iPad Pro models released this year both feature lidar sensors.

Reuters had previously reported that Apple had held talks with potential lidar suppliers, but it was also examining building its own sensor.

As for the car's battery, Apple plans to use a unique “monocell” design that bulks up the individual cells in the battery and frees up space inside the battery pack by eliminating pouches and modules that hold battery materials, one of the people said.

Apple's design means that more active material can be packed inside the battery, giving the car a potentially longer range. Apple is also examining a chemistry for the battery called LFP, or lithium iron phosphate, the person said, which is inherently less likely to overheat and is thus safer than other types of lithium-ion batteries.

“Its next level,” the person said of Apple's battery technology. “Like the first time you saw the iPhone.”

Apple had previously engaged Magna International Inc in talks about manufacturing a car, but the talks petered out as Apple's plans became unclear, a person familiar with those previous efforts said. Magna did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

To turn a profit, automotive contract manufacturers often ask for volumes that could pose a challenge even to Apple, which would be a newcomer to the automotive market.

“In order to have a viable assembly plant, you need 100,000 vehicles annually, with more volume to come,” the person said.

Some Apple investors reacted to the Reuters report on the company's plans with caution. Trip Miller, managing partner at Apple investor Gullane Capital Partners, said it could be tough for Apple to produce large volumes of cars out of the gate.

“It would seem to me that if Apple develops some advanced operating system or battery technology, it would be best utilised in a partnership with an existing manufacturer under licence,” Miller said.

“As we see with Tesla and the legacy auto companies, having a very complex manufacturing network around the globe doesn't happen overnight.”

Hal Eddins, chief economist at Apple shareholder Capital Investment Counsel, said Apple has a history of higher margins than most automakers.

“My initial reaction as a shareholder is, huh?” Eddins said. “Still don't really see the appeal of the car business, but Apple may be eyeing another angle than what I'm seeing.”

https://www.dawn.com/news/1597228/a...and-eyes-next-level-battery-technology-report
 
SAN FRANCISCO, Dec 6 (Reuters) - The U.S. securities regulator has opened an investigation into Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) over a whistleblower complaint that the company failed to properly notify its shareholders and the public of fire risks associated with solar panel system defects over several years, according to a letter from the agency.

The probe raises regulatory pressure on the world's most valuable automaker, which already faces a federal safety probe into accidents involving its driver assistant systems. Concerns about fires from Tesla solar systems have been published previously, but this is the first report of investigation by the securities regulator.

The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission disclosed the Tesla probe in response to a Freedom of Information Act request by Steven Henkes, a former Tesla field quality manager, who filed a whistleblower complaint on the solar systems in 2019 and asked the agency for information about the report.

"We have confirmed with Division of Enforcement staff that the investigation from which you seek records is still active and ongoing," the SEC said in a Sept. 24 response to Henkes, declining his request to provide its records. The SEC official said the letter should not be taken as an indication by the agency that violations of law had occurred. Reuters independently confirmed the SEC letter was legitimate.

Henkes, a former Toyota Motor quality division manager, was fired from Tesla in August 2020 and he sued Tesla claiming the dismissal was in retaliation for raising safety concerns. Tesla did not respond to Reuters' emailed questions, while the SEC declined to comment.

In the SEC complaint, Henkes said Tesla and SolarCity, which it acquired in 2016, did not disclose its "liability and exposure to property damage, risk of injury of users, fire etc to shareholders" prior and after the acquisition.

Tesla also failed to notify its customers that defective electrical connectors could lead to fires, according to the complaint.

Tesla told consumers that it needed to conduct maintenance on the solar panel system to avoid a failure that could shut down the system. It did not warn of fire risks, offer temporary shutdown to mitigate risk, or report the problems to regulators, Henkes said.

Tesla shares fell 5.5% at $960.25 on Monday after the Reuters report.

EX-TOYOTA QUALITY MANAGER BLOWS THE WHISTLE

More than 60,000 residential customers in the U.S. and 500 government and commercial accounts were affected by the issue, according to his lawsuit filed in November last year against Tesla Energy over wrongful termination.

It is not clear how many of those remain after Tesla's remediation program.

Henkes, a longtime manager at Toyota's North American quality division, moved to SolarCity as a quality engineer in 2016, months before Tesla acquired SolarCity. After the acquisition, his duties changed and he became aware of the widespread problem, he told Reuters.

Henkes, in the SEC complaint, said he told Tesla management that Tesla needs to shut down the fire-prone solar systems, report to safety regulators and notify consumers. When his calls were ignored, he proceeded to file complaints with regulators.

"The top lawyer cautioned any communication of this issue to the public as a detriment to the Tesla reputation. For me this is criminal," he said in the SEC complaint.

Litigation and concerns over faulty connectors and Tesla solar system issues stretch back several years. Walmart in a 2019 lawsuit against Tesla said the latter's roof solar system led to seven store fires. Tesla denied the allegations and the two settled.

Business Insider reported Tesla's program to replace defective solar panel parts in 2019.

Several residential customers or their insurers have sued Tesla and parts supplier Amphenol (APH.N) over fires related to their solar systems, according to documents provided by legal transparency group PlainSite.

Henkes also filed a complaint with he U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, which CNBC reported this year was investigating the case. CPSC and Amphenol didn't respond to request for comment.
 
SAN FRANCISCO, Dec 30 (Reuters) - Tesla Inc (TSLA.O) is recalling more than 475,000 of its Model 3 and Model S electric cars to address rearview camera and trunk issues that increase the risk of crashing, the U.S. road safety regulator said on Thursday.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has been discussing another camera issue with the automaker, while probing the company's driver assistant system.

The model years affected in the recall range from 2014 to 2021, and the total number of recalled vehicles is almost equivalent to the half a million vehicles Tesla delivered last year.

Around 200,000 Tesla vehicles will be recalled in China, the country's market regulator said on Friday.

The U.S. electric vehicle manufacturer is recalling 356,309 2017-2020 Model 3 vehicles to address rearview camera issues and 119,009 Model S vehicles due to front hood problems, the federal regulator said.

Tesla could not be reached for comment.

For Model 3 sedans, "the rearview camera cable harness may be damaged by the opening and closing of the trunk lid, preventing the rearview camera image from displaying," the NHTSA said.

Tesla identified 2,301 warranty claims and 601 field reports regarding the issue for U.S. vehicles.

For Model S vehicles, latch problems may lead a front trunk to open "without warning and obstruct the driver's visibility, increasing the risk of a crash," Tesla said.

Tesla said it was not aware of any crashes, injuries or deaths related to the issues cited in the recall of Model 3 and Model S cars, the NHTSA said.

Tesla China-made Model 3 vehicles are seen during a delivery event at its factory in Shanghai, China January 7, 2020.

Tesla shares fell as much as 3% in the morning but rebounded and were last trading slightly higher around $1,088.76. The world's most valuable automaker is expected to report record quarterly vehicles deliveries as early as Saturday.

China's market regulator said that Tesla will recall close to 200,000 vehicles in the country, including 19,697 imported model S, 35,836 imported model 3, and 144,208 China-made model 3.

Tesla is recalling these electric cars produced ranging from 2015 and 2020 due to possible security risks such as sudden opening of the trunk lid during movement, according to a post on the website of State Admistration for Market Regulation.

CAMERA ISSUE

This month, the NHTSA said it was talking with Tesla about sideview camera issues in some vehicles. L1N2SU2EA

CNBC had reported that Tesla was replacing defective repeater cameras in the front fenders of some U.S.-made vehicles without recalling the parts.

The NHTSA has been investigating 580,000 Tesla vehicles over the automaker's decision to allow games to be played on car screens while they are in motion. read more

Tesla has subsequently agreed to remove such gaming features while its cars are moving, according to the NHTSA. read more

Under pressure from NHTSA, Tesla in February agreed to recall 135,000 vehicles with touch-screen displays that could fail and raise the risk of a crash. read more

In August, the NHTSA opened a formal safety probe into Tesla Inc's driver assistance system Autopilot after a series of crashes involving Tesla models and emergency vehicles. read more

Reporting by Hyunjoo Jin in San Francisco and Akash Sriram in Bengaluru; Additional reporting by David Shepardson
 
I actually have some long term put options on a Tesla. The fact of the matter that Elon Musk has used creative accounting in Tesla’s books. And these things come back to bite you in the back.

Tesla will remain a big car manufacturer, but it’s share price will normalise.

1.5 years later, how are those put options doing now that Tesla’s market capitalization has increased from $250 billion to $1 trillion?
 
Electric cars have been around for over 100 years. As ever the main challenge is the batteries.

Lithium Ion is a dying technology - it is all about Hydrogen cells now.

Since your prediction that “lithium ion is dying” Tesla’s market capitalization has more than doubled to over a trillion dollars.
 
Mass adoption of electric cars will never work simply due to the fact it will take billions to have the necessary chargers , range anxiety for high mileage drivers , time taken to charge a vehicle and electricity prices rising around the world increasing and the pressure on the grid it will add if everyone drove an electric car and started charging when they got home.

People simply don't have the time to hang around a forecourt for 1 hour charging their car. We saw in UK when fuel ran out the chaos and ques at petrol stations that's what will happen if everyone goes electric they will be fighting to get a charger on a forecourt not everyone has luxury of a driveway. Plus to charge a battery power car at home on a 7kw or 3.4kw your looking at 7-11 hours to charge it to full to get a 22kw three phase system you will have to rewire your whole house and it will cost 10000's pounds just for electrician to do that and make it three phase even then it could take 3-4 hours to charge. How will your average person afford it and what about households with multiple car owners if someone Is hogging the charger for 7 hours overnight .

Also once the battery goes you simply can't fix it without dismantling the whole vehicle and the cost will outweigh the value of the car. A new battery in tesla your looking at over 20000 . Whose gonna spend 20000 to fix a car.

Hydrogen fuel cells make more sense but problem is hydrogen is not energy sufficient in producing it and the storage of it at fuel courts is a very big hazard .

Atm the people with electric cars are your rich virtue signallers

There's a reason why toyota is not keen on full electric and prefers hybrid and hydrogen

Also by using high kW charger and rapid charger continously to charge your vehicle you overheat the battery and shorten its lifespan and can also damage the coolant system to cool the batteries that's is you continously use rapid dc chargers or 22kw compared to a 3.4 or 7kw home charger.
There was one study that fast charging an electric vehicle could damage the battery in 25 charges /cycles.
 
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