How and when can Pakistan win another Test match in SENA?

[Hellion]

PAK last won a Test match in SENA in June , 2018.

Since then, India have won around 11 Tests in SENA (5 in OZ, 2 in SA , 4 in ENG)

Personally think it's the lack of talent in the bowling department and the inability to take 20 wickets cheaply.

Contrary to popular opinion, an Indian bowling attack without Bumrah is, indeed , still superior to any Pakistani Test attack.

What do others think ?

 

[Golu-momin]

Pakistan should leave test cricket they don’t have even now ashok dinda and vinay kumar level test bowler
@bald_Eagle @sweep_shot @mominsaigol they should play for Pakistan team as bowlers only then Pakistan will be competitive as Bangladesh

 

[harshjoshi87]

Pakistan doesn't have batting to win in SENA. They haven't won in Australia since 1995.

2026 series v Bazballers will show where Pakistan stand.

 

[Devadwal]

With current Pakistan trundlers brigade , they will not win any SENA Test in next 5 years.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan should leave test cricket they don’t have even now ashok dinda and vinay kumar level test bowler
@bald_Eagle @sweep_shot @mominsaigol they should play for Pakistan team as bowlers only then Pakistan will be competitive as Bangladesh

@sweep_shot Look sweepy, its my Fake Temu Indian copycat

 

[Mesozoic]

Contrary to popular opinion, an Indian bowling attack without Bumrah is, indeed , still superior to any Pakistani Test attack.

Popular opinion only among delusional Pakistani fans.

Literally no one in the world believes Pakistan has a better bowling attack than a Bumrah less india.

Khurram shehzad lmao ..

 

[Mesozoic]

Winning SENA Test matches is out of their auqaat.

They should first try winning a Test series against West Indies.

Last two series results against them read 1-1 and 1-1.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

It's possible if they select a side that is with players who are comfortable playing first class cricket and feel that test cricket is their priority.

Khurram and Abbas plus another bowler or two can win a test overseas.

Pakistan should move on from Shaheen and Naseem type bowlers who don't have the interest in test cricket enough.

A win against Australia is unlikely but certainly they can field a side that can compete in England, NZ and South Africa.

 

[Buffet]

Skill of bowlers is surely an issue, but I feel intensity lacks for Pakistan even in 2nd or 3rd spell let alone bowling on 5th day.

Then there is an issue with Babar. I thought he should do well, but he has failed to score outside of Pakistan.

Anyway, winning a test in SENA is not out of question. WI won recently, Pakistan can win too.

 

[Buffet]

It's possible if they select a side that is with players who are comfortable playing first class cricket and feel that test cricket is their priority.

Khurram and Abbas plus another bowler or two can win a test overseas.

Pakistan should move on from Shaheen and Naseem type bowlers who don't have the interest in test cricket enough.

A win against Australia is unlikely but certainly they can field a side that can compete in England, NZ and South Africa.

Anyone not interested in the test cricket sholdn't play in the format at all. It's not good for player or team.

 

[Mockingbird]

Fat chance Pakistan will ever win a home test let alone an overseas one, if they are not going to play Tests for 1.5 years. The PCB board and the players themselves are clearly not interested in Test cricket anymore - should drop the pretence altogether.

 

[Rana]

For that they need players to be fully focused on this format and not cry about being dropped or not considered good enough for T20

 

[JaDed]

Pakistan has become a T20 nation, the tape ball skills have become ingrained in the bowlers that it seems unlikely bowlers will ever reach the former test glory as they are not adapting anymore.

 

[rpant_gabba]

That’s is 2573 days without a Pak win in SENA

@Saj would you mind checking my math? Thanks

 

[Bhaijaan]

They create chances all the time but have a huge problem in finishing.

They were about to beat South Africa in South Africa few months ago but lost the match from a position they should have absolutely won.

In Australia also didn’t they have Aussies on the mat with the ball once but couldn’t capitalise on it.

It takes a total team effort to win tests abroad in tough nations.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Anyone not interested in the test cricket sholdn't play in the format at all. It's not good for player or team.

We have confused selectors who often pick players for wrong format.
But our first class system is also deeply neglected, add to that the lack of tests being played and general player malaise it is a difficult situation to overcome. Some players are to blame but they are only the part of the iceberg that is showing, the rest of it that is underwater is the bigger problem.

@Mockingbird is right when he says the PCB attitude towards test cricket is just a bit of pretence. Long term, we won't be able to consistently compete in this format, but I do think with the right selection, we can at least win an occasional match in SENA. Most SENA countries are also quite weak ( relative to their golden eras).

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

We have confused selectors who often pick players for wrong format.
But our first class system is also deeply neglected, add to that the lack of tests being played and general player malaise it is a difficult situation to overcome. Some players are to blame but they are only the part of the iceberg that is showing, the rest of it that is underwater is the bigger problem.

@Mockingbird is right when he says the PCB attitude towards test cricket is just a bit of pretence. Long term, we won't be able to consistently compete in this format, but I do think with the right selection, we can at least win an occasional match in SENA. Most SENA countries are also quite weak ( relative to their golden eras).

Bro Tbh with you pak cam really close in beating australia and should have won that first south africa test and what's with pak not playing spinners in sena?

 

[nish_mate]

They create chances all the time but have a huge problem in finishing.

They were about to beat South Africa in South Africa few months ago but lost the match from a position they should have absolutely won.

In Australia also didn’t they have Aussies on the mat with the ball once but couldn’t capitalise on it.

It takes a total team effort to win tests abroad in tough nations.

We will never know if SA won that or PCT threw it away......

Same for the Oz game....

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Bro Tbh with you pak cam really close in beating australia and should have won that first south africa test and what's with pak not playing spinners in sena?

Aus was still one sided but yeah we did ok in South Africa, I think we could beat Kiwis in New Zealand and depending on conditions could nick a test in England too.

You are right playing a good spinner to hold up and end would also help.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Aus was still one sided but yeah we did ok in South Africa, I think we could beat Kiwis in New Zealand and depending on conditions could nick a test in England too.

You are right playing a good spinner to hold up and end would also help.

Ya pak have two good spinners in shape of noman and sajid they should always play them.

 

[BreadPakoda]

It's possible if they select a side that is with players who are comfortable playing first class cricket and feel that test cricket is their priority.

Khurram and Abbas plus another bowler or two can win a test overseas.

Pakistan should move on from Shaheen and Naseem type bowlers who don't have the interest in test cricket enough.

A win against Australia is unlikely but certainly they can field a side that can compete in England, NZ and South Africa.

Along with not being interested in test cricket, Shaheen and Naseem are also rubbish bowlers. They let England score 800+ at almost run an over, in a home test.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Along with not being interested in test cricket, Shaheen and Naseem are also rubbish bowlers. They let England score 800+ at almost run an over, in a home test.

Well aqib played a masterstroke by preparing spin pitches which always been pak strength thats why they beat england after that but some reason clown ramiz was hell bent on creating roads thats how england made 800 thats why i always say against sena teams always go for spinning tracks never give them road of a pitch

 

[Markhor]

Skill of bowlers is surely an issue, but I feel intensity lacks for Pakistan even in 2nd or 3rd spell let alone bowling on 5th day.

Then there is an issue with Babar. I thought he should do well, but he has failed to score outside of Pakistan.

Anyway, winning a test in SENA is not out of question. WI won recently, Pakistan can win too.

WI have a much better pace attack though. Our spinners are OK but we haven't a single reliable Test seamer.

What frustrates me is guys like Starc even in his 30s is still evolving his game, learning how to use the wobble seam, whereas our seamers don't seem to develop their skills with experience.

Shaheen hasn't got a Plan B beyond his full inswingers. You'd think a guy of his height would be able to bowl an effective bouncer but his short deliveries are harmless. Khurram is intelligent and can set batsmen up but his body is unreliable. The others are much of a muchness.

Reverse swing being almost eliminated from the game has also massively hurt us - partly an effect of the hypervigilance around tampering post-Sandpapergate but also as outfields now are lush green.

 

[Savak]

The seamers who Pakistan rely on like Mohd Abbass, Khurram have a strong first class background behind them. The likes of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf struggle in test cricket because they have decided to become T-20 free lancers and have barely played any first class cricket.

It might be worth for the PCB to select a specialist test bowling line up for Pakistan and decide which bowlers are T-20 and ODI Specialists as it is impossible for bowlers to play all formats without quality bench strength which will allow intelligent work load management.

 

[Buffet]

WI have a much better pace attack though. Our spinners are OK but we haven't a single reliable Test seamer.

What frustrates me is guys like Starc even in his 30s is still evolving his game, learning how to use the wobble seam, whereas our seamers don't seem to develop their skills with experience.

Shaheen hasn't got a Plan B beyond his full inswingers. You'd think a guy of his height would be able to bowl an effective bouncer but his short deliveries are harmless. Khurram is intelligent and can set batsmen up but his body is unreliable. The others are much of a muchness.

Reverse swing being almost eliminated from the game has also massively hurt us - partly an effect of the hypervigilance around tampering post-Sandpapergate but also as outfields now are lush green.

Yah, it's puzzling that pacers don't keep getting better. Not sure the reason, but not getting better means team never has 3-4 good pacers playing together for any long periods. Time to time some one shows promise and then becomes stagnant. I suspect it may be related to lack of good first class cricket. I don't follow Pakistan's domestic, only going by what I read in this forum.

 

[Buffet]

We have confused selectors who often pick players for wrong format.
But our first class system is also deeply neglected, add to that the lack of tests being played and general player malaise it is a difficult situation to overcome. Some players are to blame but they are only the part of the iceberg that is showing, the rest of it that is underwater is the bigger problem.

@Mockingbird is right when he says the PCB attitude towards test cricket is just a bit of pretence. Long term, we won't be able to consistently compete in this format, but I do think with the right selection, we can at least win an occasional match in SENA. Most SENA countries are also quite weak ( relative to their golden eras).

I think it's not impossible to have good first class cricket in Pakistan and have a decent test team. WI has a lot less resource and population and yet manage to punch above their weight. No reason, Pakistan can't do much better than WI with bit of focus by Admin on first class and test format. Players are simply going to take hint from admin's policies so I am not going to blame anyone who does not want to play longer format or simply not suitable for longer format.

 

[U$ofA]

It is criminal that the Pak. players are sitting on their rear ends. The PSL is out of the way, so all of them are available. The IPL is done and all teams are available in full strength. Why not schedule a home series with SA or NZ?

A three test series with either or both teams will do a world of good. PCB management with no thought process.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It is criminal that the Pak. players are sitting on their rear ends. The PSL is out of the way, so all of them are available. The IPL is done and all teams are available in full strength. Why not schedule a home series with SA or NZ?

A three test series with either or both teams will do a world of good. PCB management with no thought process.

Your wait will be over as Pakistan is to tour Bangladesh soon for the Shanto-Abrar trophy