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"How Can Our Heroes Be Mughals": Indian UP Yogi Adityanath Renames Agra Mughal Museum

And they were telling you that you that your thread about indians being scarred by the Muslim rule was moronic :)) lol

Thier politicions sure do provide ammo for the thread
 
Bigboii said:
And they were telling you that you that your thread about indians being scarred by the Muslim rule was moronic :)) lol

Thier politicions sure do provide ammo for the thread
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Yup. Their ex PM said something similar Eventhough that was about Mahmoud if Ghazni not the Mughals.

Almost anything worth going into agra or the region was built by Mughal empire. But they want to erase that.
 
Instead of renaming stuff named after Mughals, they should start renaming stuff for Mughals.

If mumbai airport is named after Shivaji then Agra airport should named after Shah Jahan

If there are statues of Marathas in Mahrastha, then there should be statues of Mughals in Uttar Pardesh.

This renaming is out of sheer jealousy, that most of the cultural contributions to the subcontinent were done by a Muslim empire.
 
Should be the standard. Mughals can be heroes for islamist supremacists, but not for any self respecting hindu (although they are hard to come by, as most of them have lost their spine) or sikh.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Should be the standard. Mughals can be heroes for islamist supremacists, but not for any self respecting hindu (although they are hard to come by, as most of them have lost their spine) or sikh.
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Is there any hindu left with spine in your opinion? (Apart from you)
 
Slog said:
The museum, which will have mostly Mughal history and artefacts, will now be named after Maratha warrior Shivaji who first served and then fought against Mughal king Aurangzeb.

Someone should tell Yogi Sahab that if only remaining things would change history and remove the scarring :))


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nd...eroes-be-mughals-2295341?amp=1&akamai-rum=off
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Why is the nazi swastika banned in germany, as it will not change history and remove the scarring of the jews?

bringing down white supremacist statues doesnt change history of black slavery too. It is to to stop their glorification and help in healing the wounds.
 
Madplayer said:
Is there any hindu left with spine in your opinion? (Apart from you)
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Even I don't have a spine. If you meet me outside PP, I would be bending over backwards and telling you how I love sufi songs and like beef kebab. Only internet gives me courage to be honest.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Should be the standard. Mughals can be heroes for islamist supremacists, but not for any self respecting hindu (although they are hard to come by, as most of them have lost their spine) or sikh.
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Yogi n his ilk are no self respecting hindus Its quite pathetic really

It ll take more than a couple of bjp terms to erase mughal history from india

Whos thos shivaji fella again???
 
Zaz said:
Yogi n his ilk are no self respecting hindus Its quite pathetic really

It ll take more than a couple of bjp terms to erase mughal history from india

Whos thos shivaji fella again???
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Every muslim (apart from the self hating ones) should be proud of mughals and especially how the whooped the hindus. I am not even disputing that.

just that hindus (self respecting ones) should not glorify them. It is bad to be owned by someone, but even worse to glorify those who owned you.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Why is the nazi swastika banned in germany, as it will not change history and remove the scarring of the jews?

bringing down white supremacist statues doesnt change history of black slavery too. It is to to stop their glorification and help in healing the wounds.
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Most indians Hindus on the forum (asides form you) have said there is no scarring. If that’s true then your argument doesn’t stand. Unless you think they are suffering repressing bad memories.
 
Slog said:
Most indians Hindus on the forum (asides form you) have said there is no scarring. If that’s true then your argument doesn’t stand. Unless you think they are suffering repressing bad memories.
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Do you take the indian hindus on this forum a true representation of the indian hindus?
 
Pretty evident some of the top brass of BJP are still shook by previous centuries of islamic rule.

I wonder of areas named by British colonialists are also being renamed?
 
CricketCartoons said:
Do you take the indian hindus on this forum a true representation of the indian hindus?
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It's difficult to take some of the other posters seriously. You're one to stand up for your Indian/Hindu traditions and not afraid to admit the truth. Unfortunately others aren't quite as brave.
 
msaaim89 said:
It's difficult to take some of the other posters seriously. You're one to stand up for your Indian/Hindu traditions and not afraid to admit the truth. Unfortunately others aren't quite as brave.
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To be fair, the other hindu posters may be honest (even when they are wrong). The ones from the southern parts don't have the scars which ones from the northern areas have. But they don't represent the true demography of indians. The SC/ST and other backward castes which form the majority of the population are missing on PP. It is mostly the urban general caste indians who are here. Their grasp (lack of) on the pulse of the nation is clearly evident. Modi was a strong contender for the 2014 elections, but they all were dismissing him as a serious contender. A tiny few thought he may win in 2019, but the indian experts here were still predicting his defeat. They don't know which way the wind is blowing as the wind they face is mostly indoor wind calibrated to a particular temperature for their comfort.
 
I have some name suggestions for our Indian friends

Bhagwanpur instead of Allahabad

Krishnaswari instead of Ahmedabad

Dravidanagar instead of Hyderabad

Vishnughar instead of Aligarh
 
srh said:
why not create another museum for maratha warrior which has maratha history and artifacts?
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It probably wouldn’t be very big tho esp in the context of agra and north India.
 
Slog said:
It probably wouldn’t be very big tho esp in the context of agra and north India.
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It could be filled up with made up history. I'm sure some of the posters here could help out. [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION]
 
Easier way is to convert the dead Mughals to Hinduism. Something that Mormons do to their dead ancestors.
 
msaaim89 said:
It could be filled up with made up history. I'm sure some of the posters here could help out. [MENTION=151350]Mesozoic[/MENTION]
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History cannot be changed. But names of buildings can be changed as the Mughals were oppressors.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Every muslim (apart from the self hating ones) should be proud of mughals and especially how the whooped the hindus. I am not even disputing that.

just that hindus (self respecting ones) should not glorify them. It is bad to be owned by someone, but even worse to glorify those who owned you.
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Pakistanis do that well themselves ... Building statues for ranjit
 
Lurker_Ind said:
History cannot be changed. But names of buildings can be changed as the Mughals were oppressors.
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what differentiate the oppression of a Hindu or Mughal King (cause every King is fundamentally an oppressive figure)?

you can find oppression of both Hindu and Mughal Kings
 
Lurker_Ind said:
History cannot be changed. But names of buildings can be changed as the Mughals were oppressors.
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And Marathas Weren’t? With a massacre of over half a million Bengalis (mostly Hindus) I’m sure Marathas are seen as much more oppressors than Mughals ever were for a Bengali of the time.
 
Slog said:
And Marathas Weren’t? With a massacre of over half a million Bengalis (mostly Hindus) I’m sure Marathas are seen as much more oppressors than Mughals ever were for a Bengali of the time.
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A pakistani killing a pakistani, and an indian killing a pakistani. Do both events have the same likelihood of a thread creation on PP and the same level of participation?
 
CricketCartoons said:
A pakistani killing a pakistani, and an indian killing a pakistani. Do both events have the same likelihood of a thread creation on PP and the same level of participation?
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The pakistanis didn't kill the pakistani for being pakistani while the indian killed the pakistani for being pakistani
 
Giannis said:
The pakistanis didn't kill the pakistani for being pakistani while the indian killed the pakistani for being pakistani
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Exactly. intra communal violence cannot be compared with inter communal violence. white racists often use the black on black violence to deflect the white on black violence.
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] already knows this basic stuff.
 
Giannis said:
I have some name suggestions for our Indian friends

Bhagwanpur instead of Allahabad

Krishnaswari instead of Ahmedabad

Dravidanagar instead of Hyderabad

Vishnughar instead of Aligarh
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Allahabad has already been renamed to Prayagraj.
 
CricketCartoons said:
To be fair, the other hindu posters may be honest (even when they are wrong). The ones from the southern parts don't have the scars which ones from the northern areas have. But they don't represent the true demography of indians. The SC/ST and other backward castes which form the majority of the population are missing on PP. It is mostly the urban general caste indians who are here. Their grasp (lack of) on the pulse of the nation is clearly evident. Modi was a strong contender for the 2014 elections, but they all were dismissing him as a serious contender. A tiny few thought he may win in 2019, but the indian experts here were still predicting his defeat. They don't know which way the wind is blowing as the wind they face is mostly indoor wind calibrated to a particular temperature for their comfort.
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I thought you were from that background.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Every muslim (apart from the self hating ones) should be proud of mughals and especially how the whooped the hindus. I am not even disputing that.

just that hindus (self respecting ones) should not glorify them. It is bad to be owned by someone, but even worse to glorify those who owned you.
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Except Mughals fought mostly Muslims.

The Mughals took the throne from another Muslim dynasty, the Lodhis. They then lost the throne, and gained it back from the Muslim Suri dynasty.

They fought Muslim Sultanates in Malwa, Gujarat, Bengal, Bijapur, Kashmir, Ahmednaagar, and Golcanda.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Should be the standard. Mughals can be heroes for islamist supremacists, but not for any self respecting hindu (although they are hard to come by, as most of them have lost their spine) or sikh.
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In that logic the Sikh Punjabi kingdom to which most Punjabi were part of as well , the enemy would be Dogras - the Hindus as well after the Mughals ofcourse.

Also didn't you say in the other thread that its good on Akshay to take pride in his Punjabi and Hindu identity?

Considering Indian identity is more diverse ,fusion of all those cultures what was wrong in considering Mughal history in India?
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Except Mughals fought mostly Muslims.

The Mughals took the throne from another Muslim dynasty, the Lodhis. They then lost the throne, and gained it back from the Muslim Suri dynasty.

They fought Muslim Sultanates in Malwa, Gujarat, Bengal, Bijapur, Kashmir, Ahmednaagar, and Golcanda.
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Irrelevant. Do native pakistani muslims have negative collective memory of outside muslim forces who would first ransack lahore, or do they remember what ranjit singh did to badshahi mosque?
 
JaDed said:
In that logic the Sikh Punjabi kingdom to which most Punjabi were part of as well , the enemy would be Dogras - the Hindus as well after the Mughals ofcourse.

Also didn't you say in the other thread that its good on Akshay to take pride in his Punjabi and Hindu identity?

Considering Indian identity is more diverse ,fusion of all those cultures what was wrong in considering Mughal history in India?
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The strongest identity is religion. Ethnicity comes much later. You know that yourself, otherwise you would still have your home in pakistan.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Irrelevant. Do native pakistani muslims have negative collective memory of outside muslim forces who would first ransack lahore, or do they remember what ranjit singh did to badshahi mosque?
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Most Pakistanis know very little about Sikh Empire.

Only 3 real known empires/civilizations in Pakistan. Mughals, Indus, Gandhara.

Mughals because of the cuisine, architecture, language, clothing, music, etc. For most Pakistanis Mughals and Delhi Sultanate are the same.

Then its Indus Civilization because its one of the oldest civilizations.

And Gandhara Civilization, not sure why its famous, but alot of things in Pakistan are named for this.
 
CricketCartoons said:
The strongest identity is religion. Ethnicity comes much later. You know that yourself, otherwise you would still have your home in pakistan.
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It depends on who you ask, Americans don't care if they share the same religion as England, similarly Germany,Chinese,Japanese,Koreans.

It's your personal bias towards religion that is making you say all this.
 
JaDed said:
It depends on who you ask, Americans don't care if they share the same religion as England, similarly Germany,Chinese,Japanese,Koreans.

It's your personal bias towards religion that is making you say all this.
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I am talking about the sub continent, if it wasn't clear.

Your ancestors having to leave their home despite strong ethnic identity, is not because of my personal bias towards religion. it is the cold hard truth.
 
Changing names won’t erase Mughal legacy and Islamic role in the history of the subcontinent. Shame that no matter what these small minded bigots do; India will forever be best known by a Mughal monument of love ie the Taj Mahal. Must hurt them a lot.
 
JaDed said:
It depends on who you ask, Americans don't care if they share the same religion as England, similarly Germany,Chinese,Japanese,Koreans.

It's your personal bias towards religion that is making you say all this.
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Ethnic Germans, like other Europeans, became 100% Christian. If they had a population like 50% pagan, 50% Christian, who knows what would have happened.
 
Slog said:
Changing names won’t erase Mughal legacy and Islamic role in the history of the subcontinent. Shame that no matter what these small minded bigots do; India will forever be best known by a Mughal monument of love ie the Taj Mahal. Must hurt them a lot.
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Yes. Thats why they come up with the Tejo Mahalaya conspiracy.
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
Most Pakistanis know very little about Sikh Empire.

Only 3 real known empires/civilizations in Pakistan. Mughals, Indus, Gandhara.

Mughals because of the cuisine, architecture, language, clothing, music, etc. For most Pakistanis Mughals and Delhi Sultanate are the same.

Then its Indus Civilization because its one of the oldest civilizations.

And Gandhara Civilization, not sure why its famous, but alot of things in Pakistan are named for this.
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I am not criticising pakistanis. It is fair that they remember ranjit singh desecrated the badshahi mosque, and don't remember if their ancestors were at the receiving end of muslim invasions. This is how identity shapes collective memory.

I am not disputing any pakistani's or any muslims right to be proud of any muslim empire ( I would be proud of mughals if i was a muslim), even if they killed sikh gurus and imposed jaziya on hindus ( it is your choice to be proud of it or not). The main reason is that they advanced your civilization. My only comment is that it is too much of a stretch for a pakistani muslim wanting indian hindus to consider mughals as their heroes. Mughals should never be heroes for hindus.
 
Slog said:
Changing names won’t erase Mughal legacy and Islamic role in the history of the subcontinent. Shame that no matter what these small minded bigots do; India will forever be best known by a Mughal monument of love ie the Taj Mahal. Must hurt them a lot.
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Already answered that it will not change their history. Just like banning swastika will not change holocaust.

As for the rest, you have every right to enjoy the hurt the hindus carry. I am not disputing that.
 
CricketCartoons said:
I am not criticising pakistanis. It is fair that they remember ranjit singh desecrated the badshahi mosque, and don't remember if their ancestors were at the receiving end of muslim invasions. This is how identity shapes collective memory.

I am not disputing any pakistani's or any muslims right to be proud of any muslim empire ( I would be proud of mughals if i was a muslim), even if they killed sikh gurus and imposed jaziya on hindus ( it is your choice to be proud of it or not). The main reason is that they advanced your civilization. My only comment is that it is too much of a stretch for a pakistani muslim wanting indian hindus to consider mughals as their heroes. Mughals should never be heroes for hindus.
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There is a Ranjit Singh statue in Shahi Qila next to Badshahi Mosque :yuvi built by Punjab government

But someone from TLP vandalized the statue because of what's happening in Kashmir

I think it's still standing to this day
 
CricketCartoons said:
I am not criticising pakistanis. It is fair that they remember ranjit singh desecrated the badshahi mosque, and don't remember if their ancestors were at the receiving end of muslim invasions. This is how identity shapes collective memory.

I am not disputing any pakistani's or any muslims right to be proud of any muslim empire ( I would be proud of mughals if i was a muslim), even if they killed sikh gurus and imposed jaziya on hindus ( it is your choice to be proud of it or not). The main reason is that they advanced your civilization. My only comment is that it is too much of a stretch for a pakistani muslim wanting indian hindus to consider mughals as their heroes. Mughals should never be heroes for hindus.
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What happened to the Ganga-Jamuni tehzeeb? Dont Hindus, at least the liberal ones, still believe in that?
 
Gharib Aadmi said:
What happened to the Ganga-Jamuni tehzeeb? Dont Hindus, at least the liberal ones, still believe in that?
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ganga jamuni tehzeeb should be delinked from having to glorify mughals. It should only mean that hindus and muslims who live together should have mutual respect and can pick and choose what they like from the other's culture. like a hindu can love urdu if he wants and a muslim can love the delicious vegetarian hindu meals like kaddu gur ki sabzi and bhindi ki sabzi.
 
CricketCartoons said:
I am talking about the sub continent, if it wasn't clear.

Your ancestors having to leave their home despite strong ethnic identity, is not because of my personal bias towards religion. it is the cold hard truth.
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Yes and that's exactly the reason why religious identity division shouldn't be allowed anymore, the paranoia cannot be passed to other generations of India.
 
Slog said:
Yup. Their ex PM said something similar Eventhough that was about Mahmoud if Ghazni not the Mughals.

Almost anything worth going into agra or the region was built by Mughal empire. But they want to erase that.
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It's not a bad idea from their point of view to be honest. I asked romali rotti what India had built before the Mughals and the Brits, and he literally said zero. So not the worst idea to try to take credit for others industry instead, might as well put your name to something.
 
JaDed said:
Yes and that's exactly the reason why religious identity division shouldn't be allowed anymore, the paranoia cannot be passed to other generations of India.
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Should could would looks nice in your story books. Stay there.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's not a bad idea from their point of view to be honest. I asked romali rotti what India had built before the Mughals and the Brits, and he literally said zero. So not the worst idea to try to take credit for others industry instead, might as well put your name to something.
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Most of South Indian architecture has nothing to do with Mughals, in terms of numbers Tamil Nadu has the highest tourism, also so much is there Rajasthani architecture and the cities of Rajasthan how are they inspired by Mughals, spoken like someone having a false sense of superiority complex.
 
JaDed said:
Most of South Indian architecture has nothing to do with Mughals, in terms of numbers Tamil Nadu has the highest tourism, also so much is there Rajasthani architecture and the cities of Rajasthan how are they inspired by Mughals, spoken like someone having a false sense of superiority complex.
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That would make sense actually, south indians don't seem to have a complex about Mughal architecture. You are a north Indian yes?
 
JaDed said:
Why does that matter also Romali roti the poster is of South Indian origin.
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I have met a few south Indians in my time and they generally tend to be more relaxed about their history. Of course there will be romali rottis in south and north, you can't generalise a population.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I have met a few south Indians in my time and they generally tend to be more relaxed about their history. Of course there will be romali rottis in south and north, you can't generalise a population.
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I'm not the one generalizing cap you are..

south indians don't seem to have a complex about Mughal architecture.
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Knowing the IQ levels of bhakhts I am sure this statement by Yogi is good enough to win another election. Well done Yogi.

By the way where are the jobs you promised for migrants? All these migrant workers have come back to Delhi because of no work in their respective states and are actually calling Yogi 'feku' too. :inti
 
Is it time to transport the Taj Mahal to Pakistan. We would take it. Modi can built modi mahal then at the same spot :D
 
He has a point. How can an honourable hindu consider a Muslim ruler as his/her hero ?
 
Yogi Adityanath is totally correct that Mughals are not our heroes. They were tyrants and invaders just like British.
 
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Slog said:
Changing names won’t erase Mughal legacy and Islamic role in the history of the subcontinent. Shame that no matter what these small minded bigots do; India will forever be best known by a Mughal monument of love ie the Taj Mahal. Must hurt them a lot.
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Do removing statues of slavers remove the history of slavery?

Does banning the hooked cross remove Nazism from history?

No. But such monuments and signs of oppression are removed nonetheless.

You are the only one who is hurt it seems. India names a museum in India, you seem to have dome issue with it.

If India removes signs glorifying invaders and oppressors, why is it a problem with pakistanis?

Does it ever occur to you that your opinion is different from Indians and just like pakistan is free to declare itself an islamic nation, India is free to do what it wants in its territory. Neither owes an explanation to the other.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
It's not a bad idea from their point of view to be honest. I asked romali rotti what India had built before the Mughals and the Brits, and he literally said zero. So not the worst idea to try to take credit for others industry instead, might as well put your name to something.
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South India mostly has non mughal architecture, because for a long long time independent or semi independent Hindu rulers ruled the south. And even after that, there were constant contests between hindu rulers and muslim ones in south and in west.

Regarding what India had built, well while the invaders were mostly successful in destroying hindu architecture in east and north many survived in south and west.

Dilwara temples, Kailasa temple, Brihadeeshwara temple, Sun temples of modhera and Konark. The city of Hampi. Khajuraho temples and so on.
 
ahmedzee said:
Is it time to transport the Taj Mahal to Pakistan. We would take it. Modi can built modi mahal then at the same spot :D
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They would never do that!!

No one refuses that tourism money $$$ :ua
 
It takes a special kind of numbnut to support Yogi Adityanath.

People in UP - is there any visible difference on the ground besides renaming Allahabad and stuff like this?
 
Varun said:
It takes a special kind of numbnut to support Yogi Adityanath.

People in UP - is there any visible difference on the ground besides renaming Allahabad and stuff like this?
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Quite a few have already infested this thread.

As for development in UP, well let's not go there. Bisht has his priorities all chalked out.
 
Varun said:
It takes a special kind of numbnut to support Yogi Adityanath.

People in UP - is there any visible difference on the ground besides renaming Allahabad and stuff like this?
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Most of the migrant workers have come back to Delhi from UP again. They thought Yogi was going to create work opportunities for them in UP. :sarf2 :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Most of the migrant workers have come back to Delhi from UP again. They thought Yogi was going to create work opportunities for them in UP. :sarf2 :inti
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That was in no doubt.

Remains to be seen whether they will go back in 2022 and vote him out.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Lol you are funny guy.
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He might be funny but whatever he said was right, I was a guy who always like to be alone or in the corner but thanks to the internet has given me the courage to talk with people,I may not be eloquent speaker but atleast I can talk with someone for hours.
 
cricketjoshila said:
South India mostly has non mughal architecture, because for a long long time independent or semi independent Hindu rulers ruled the south. And even after that, there were constant contests between hindu rulers and muslim ones in south and in west.

Regarding what India had built, well while the invaders were mostly successful in destroying hindu architecture in east and north many survived in south and west.

Dilwara temples, Kailasa temple, Brihadeeshwara temple, Sun temples of modhera and Konark. The city of Hampi. Khajuraho temples and so on.
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Kailasa temple should be in the top 3 greatest marvels of the world. Our buddy Aurangzeb tried his best to demolish it, him and his band of converts tried their best but ended up breaking their backs and retreating because it was not possible to demolish the great structure... That temple architecture was beyond what the Mughals were genetically capable of creating or destroying...
 
Like all medieval empires Mughals had some good, some bad. Most of them were born in the subcontinent many to Rajput mothers, died here, belonged here. Overall they had a positive legacy, don't judge them by 21st century standards. Our govts still make money because of their monuments, they have influenced lives of many modern day Indians so much be it cuisine, fashion, language, culture.

What to say. Elect a clown, expect a circus. Hindi heartland states especially BJP ruled ones are basketcases. Look at their priorities, still holding the country back and refusing to improve. May the Hindutva virus stay away from Tamil Nadu forever. Bloody Neanderthals those Sanghis and their enablers.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Like all medieval empires Mughals had some good, some bad. Most of them were born in the subcontinent many to Rajput mothers, died here, belonged here. Overall they had a positive legacy, don't judge them by 21st century standards. Our govts still make money because of their monuments, they have influenced lives of many modern day Indians so much be it cuisine, fashion, language, culture.

What to say. Elect a clown, expect a circus. Hindi heartland states especially BJP ruled ones are basketcases. Look at their priorities, still holding the country back and refusing to improve. May the Hindutva virus stay away from Tamil Nadu forever. Bloody Neanderthals those Sanghis and their enablers.
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This reminds me of Pakistan, where we ignore all our extremely rich pre-Islamic history when in all honesty we should be proud of it and cashing in on it. Though we haven't started renaming any monuments so I suppose that's something.
 
BJP has 0 MPs in the Lok Sabha. In Uttar Pradesh state elections they didn't field a single Muslim, there were 403 seats. Same in Karnataka.

I am not even going to talk about emperors like Akbar who had so many Hindus in high positions of power. Even a bigoted despot like Aurangzeb had more Hindus in his administration than current BJP. Sanghis love to whine about tyranny of Mughals and persecution of Hindus in medieval era, well even the most hated Mughal of today's India fared better than BJP in this area. What does that make them?

Yogi is a pathetic disgrace of a human being, much worse than the Gujju duo. Now that India's moral compass is broken and him being from UP, expect this extremist to be PM one day. Some Hindus may get cheap thrills from these incidents, they may like to see the Muslims being put in their place as soothing balm for perceived historical injustice, they better watch out because once that 'enemy' is vanquished Hindutva fanatics will come for them. That is how cults operate, and this is an evil, crazy, bloodthirsty cult we are talking about. BJP is simply the Hindu version of Taliban, worse because they have more legitimacy on the back of two massive election victories.
 
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This reminds me of Pakistan, where we ignore all our extremely rich pre-Islamic history when in all honesty we should be proud of it and cashing in on it. Though we haven't started renaming any monuments so I suppose that's something.
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No wonder our countries are such dumps. Even if govts want to distance from history, they can at least look at it from the financial angle. So much scope for tourism economy, employment opportunities, image makeover before rest of the world, assurance to minorities.

What we are seeing in India is weaponization of religion, deliberate spreading of hatred/mistrust to reap political benefits. Culling/sidelining of talent, silencing of critics, useless diversions and dishonesty all go hand in hand, for the greater cause of RSS' vision. All countries have rotten elements but in today's India that fringe is mainstream, in positions of power, in our institutions, media etc. and the scale at which they are operating is scary. Modi hasn't faced a single open press conference, state of our democracy!!!! At a time when we have so many headaches like China border, Corona, unemployment this regime is allowed to go free, no accountability. This thread topic is a similar distraction from more pressing matters in UP.

Eventually if we won't course correct we will have to pay a price, economically we are already doing that. Congress oversaw GDP growth rate of over 8%, youth had aspirations then a feeling of optimism, now looks like we are set to become like one of those basketcase African nations.

I am sure Pakistan has had enough self made problems over these last 73 years, hope at least your country improves, sees an upward trend.
 
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Swashbuckler said:
No wonder our countries are such dumps. Even if govts want to distance from history, they can at least look at it from the financial angle. So much scope for tourism economy, employment opportunities, image makeover before rest of the world, assurance to minorities.
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There is enough history for tourism. The main reason tourism doesn't grow is the lack of cleanliness and pollution. superficial goals like image makeover or minority appeasement should never be at the cost of hurting the majority, who have the first right to the nations resources.
 
Pakpak said:
This reminds me of Pakistan, where we ignore all our extremely rich pre-Islamic history when in all honesty we should be proud of it and cashing in on it. Though we haven't started renaming any monuments so I suppose that's something.
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One thing I will say, it does seem Pakistan has started to reverse this a bit with the statue of Ranjit Singh in Lahore. There is definitely room to expand on this in other ways though, preservation of ancient names of streets and buildings for example. Never tire of expressing my disgust at the naming of the eating area in Lahore as simply Food Street.
 
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