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How can Pakistan reach the Semi-Finals of the ICC T20 World Cup 2022 now?

Alright, it's all doom and gloom but considering that we still have a few matches left, what changes could be made to the playing XI to be able to compete better?

I believe that the bowling line up (that we played against Zim) is pretty good and you cant change much there.

Perhaps an unfit Shaheen could be replaced by Hasnain and that's about it.

In batting, the openers have failed and middle order has again struggled.

So could a case be made for Babar to drop at 3 and Rizwan at 4.

Haider is horribly out of form so why not give him a go as an opener? I know people are going to be mostly mad at this choice but what are the other options?

Partner him with Fakhar if he is fit, otherwise Shan.

The line up could look something like:

Haider
Shan/Fakhar
Babar
Rizwan
Iftikhar
Nawaz
Shadab
Waseem
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf

What are the tweaks that you would make?

This thread was for a completely different topic but has been merged with one where different scenarios of the points table are being discussed. If the Mods could kindly reconsider.
 
Pakistan's loss to Zimbabwe has no bearing on what we need to do to qualify

Please bear with me.
Current scenario:
1. Win all remaining games
2. Zim lose a game to ban or nl
3. Rsa also lose to India
4. If we lose to RSA we are out and they go through

If Pakistan had beaten Zimbabwe:
1. Still would need to win all remaining games, including beating south Africa
Reason:
If we lost to south Africa we would end up with 6 points and they would have 7 (2 minnow victories plus Zimbabwe tie plus pak victory) and hence they go through.

Conclusion:
1. In both pak defeat or victory (if they had) against Zimbabwe they still needed to beat south Africa.
2. There are some really odd scenarios like losing to Bangladesh beating south Africa and south Africa losing to India and having 5 points. But to me that was unlikely.

End of the day the main difference Zimbabwe match is making is for Zimbabwe chance to qualify to semi final , not really changing what pakistan had to do to qualify. They still have to win their remaining games.

So bottoming just focus on winning next 3 games. If luck goes your way you make it, but biggest point is still needing to beat south Africa. All the calculations and other team results go out of window if pakistan couldn't beat south Africa regardless of today's results or pak Zim result.
 
Please bear with me.
Current scenario:
1. Win all remaining games
2. Zim lose a game to ban or nl
3. Rsa also lose to India
4. If we lose to RSA we are out and they go through

If Pakistan had beaten Zimbabwe:
1. Still would need to win all remaining games, including beating south Africa
Reason:
If we lost to south Africa we would end up with 6 points and they would have 7 (2 minnow victories plus Zimbabwe tie plus pak victory) and hence they go through.

Conclusion:
1. In both pak defeat or victory (if they had) against Zimbabwe they still needed to beat south Africa.
2. There are some really odd scenarios like losing to Bangladesh beating south Africa and south Africa losing to India and having 5 points. But to me that was unlikely.

End of the day the main difference Zimbabwe match is making is for Zimbabwe chance to qualify to semi final , not really changing what pakistan had to do to qualify. They still have to win their remaining games.

So bottoming just focus on winning next 3 games. If luck goes your way you make it, but biggest point is still needing to beat south Africa. All the calculations and other team results go out of window if pakistan couldn't beat south Africa regardless of today's results or pak Zim result.




But what if Zim beat Ban and then NED? Had Pak beaten Zim, we wouldn't have to worry about Ind vs SA or Ban vs Zim result, just win your matches and go to Semis. We don't have matters fully in our hands now. Also, we are hearing of chances of rain in Pak vs Ned match. Need a lot of luck now tbh.
 
This thread will die it’s natural death in the next 24 hours, I feel.
 
Lol at people wanting to change the opening partnership.
Its Pakistan's biggest strength. They would be like an associate team without those 2 opening.
 
Will there be Any chance to qualify if south Africa beat India today?

Ok. So in case India lose we need them to lose badly. At that point south Africa is through as they just need to bear Netherlands to get to 7 points.
For us we will need Bangladesh to beat India (unlikely but not impossible) and India to bear Zimbabwe with low margin ( likely).
Then we still need to win last 3 games and with good enough margin to stay ahead of India and Bangladesh as at that point pakistan India Bangladesh will be stuck at 6 points each and Zimbabwe at 5 points (assume beat netherlands)Netherlands.

So mathematically we would have a chance but highly unlikely that Bangladesh will beat India.
Rain out won't help as then they get to 7 points and max we can reach is 6.

Very interesting scenarios in this world cup in both groups. Much better than the monotonous last world cup
 
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Can Pakistan still make it?

Two defeats, both coming on the final ball of matches against India and Zimbabwe, have left Pakistan needing something special to make it to the semi-finals.

And their hopes have taken another blow thanks to India’s defeat against South Africa – a result that complicates the qualification permutations for Babar Azam’s side.

If Pakistan beat South Africa on 3 November and Bangladesh on 6 November, they will have amassed six points.

But it is completely out of Pakistan’s own hands and looking increasingly unlikely that six points will be enough, although not mathematically impossible.

Sunday’s win for South Africa means that even if Pakistan beat the Proteas in their next match, it will not be enough to see them leapfrog Temba Bavuma’s side.

Net run rate could yet be a factor, so a big margin of victory in at least one of the remaining games wouldn’t hurt.
 
Pakistan can only finish on 6 points which is unlikely to be enough to qualify.

They now rely on shock results, rain and NRR.

I think their chances are virtually zero.
 
Pakistan can only finish on 6 points which is unlikely to be enough to qualify.

They now rely on shock results, rain and NRR.

I think their chances are virtually zero.

They should start packing up and getting ready to sack the team management so the coaches can improve these players rather than telling qudrat ka Nizaam stories
 
Pakistan can only finish on 6 points which is unlikely to be enough to qualify.

They now rely on shock results, rain and NRR.

I think their chances are virtually zero.
Knowing that they semis chances are depends on other results and NRR, they have done absolutely nothing to improve thier NRR vs Netherlands.
 
Pakistan can only finish on 6 points which is unlikely to be enough to qualify.

They now rely on shock results, rain and NRR.

I think their chances are virtually zero.

If Bangladesh beat India - then we will qualify as we will pumped up for the game vs SAF and Bangladesh
 
People who keep saying in shows and social media and here that we need India to lose to one of Zimbabwe or Bangladesh are missing a key point.

If India Lose to Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe is going to beat Netherlands (highly likely) then Zimbabwe will qualify.

So really we need India to lose to Bangladesh so Zim doesn't become kabab mein haddi.

Oh and if Bangladesh beat Both India and Pakistan then they go through with 8 pts.
 
Forget it, we can’t get through, accept it.

Our batting line up doesn’t deserve to be in the semis. The minnow batting line ups deserve it more. Imagine a showpiece world event semi final being subjected to watching this pathetic, cowardly, boring batting line up

Conversely, I feel sorry for our bowling attack - they deserve better. They would make for great viewing in a semi or a final.
 
Forget it, we can’t get through, accept it.

Our batting line up doesn’t deserve to be in the semis. The minnow batting line ups deserve it more. Imagine a showpiece world event semi final being subjected to watching this pathetic, cowardly, boring batting line up

Conversely, I feel sorry for our bowling attack - they deserve better. They would make for great viewing in a semi or a final.

Indeed if the semi final is a 180 par score wicket we will limp to 160 with the openers scoring 70 in the first 10 getting out in the 12th over and the middle order making up a bit for their slow start.

Only for the other team to chase it down easily and people saying Babar and Rizwan played match winning innings they should open for the next 10 years.
 
People who keep saying in shows and social media and here that we need India to lose to one of Zimbabwe or Bangladesh are missing a key point.

If India Lose to Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe is going to beat Netherlands (highly likely) then Zimbabwe will qualify.

So really we need India to lose to Bangladesh so Zim doesn't become kabab mein haddi.

Oh and if Bangladesh beat Both India and Pakistan then they go through with 8 pts.

Yes, Pakistan have blown their chances, whichever way you look at it, unless some key matches not involving Pakistan get rained off.
 
Babar needs to be dismissed as captain. How long are we going to put up with his stubborn selections, batting order decisions and letting the opposition off the hook which have ended up costing Pakistan matches from match winning positions?

He's had 2-3 years on the job and enough is enough.
 
One thing to consider and that is that India plays the last game of against zimb. So even if we beat SA and Bang beat India than india will have the last game to play and they will know what they need to do to have a higher NRR
 
Yes extremely unlikely Semi final chance for Pakistan now, and to be fair they have no one to blame but themselves after losing that game to Zimbabwe.

All they can do now is ensure they win both remaining games and hope something else weird happens with other results.
 
Pakistan have themselves to blame. Look at current standing of Pakistan and India:

Pakistan 3 matches 2 points NRR+0.76
India 3 matches 4 points NRR +0.84

All Pakistan needed was to beat Zimbabwe and that NRR and points would have been same as India.
 
People who keep saying in shows and social media and here that we need India to lose to one of Zimbabwe or Bangladesh are missing a key point.

If India Lose to Zimbabwe and Zimbabwe is going to beat Netherlands (highly likely) then Zimbabwe will qualify.

So really we need India to lose to Bangladesh so Zim doesn't become kabab mein haddi.

Oh and if Bangladesh beat Both India and Pakistan then they go through with 8 pts.

Yes, Pakistan have blown their chances, whichever way you look at it, unless some key matches not involving Pakistan get rained off.

You guys are forgetting that Zimbabwe need to play NED - not a guaranteed victory by any means.

Plus if BD beats INDIA it will open up the group wide open with all 4 teams having a chance to make the SF
 
Pakistan doesn't deserve to be in semifinals even if they beat SA, they have blown their chances could have easily 6 points now if they have shown some grit and metal against India and Zimbabwe
 
Scenario 1:
Pakistan win all
India lose to Bangladesh, win against Zimbabwe

Result: Ind,Bang,Pak nrr will decide

Scenario 2:
Pakistan win all
India lose to Zimbabwe
Zimbabwe lose to Netherlands

Result: Ind, Pak nrr will decide

Scenario 3:
Pakistan win all
India both games rain abandoned

Result: Zim, Pak nrr will decide

Scenario 4:
Pakistan win all games
South Africa lose to Netherlands and Pak
India win all

Result: Pak and Ind qualify, nrr doesn't matter

Scenario 5:
Pakistan win all games
South Africa match with Netherlands abandoned
India win all

Result: Pak and SA nrr will decide

Scenario 6:
Pakistan win games
Zimbabwe beat India, lose to Netherlands

Result: Pak and Ind Nrr will decide


Conclusion: Pakistan has to win all, one upset against India or Sa opens our chances again. Rain partially helps, but a rain abandoned match won't change SA nrr, we will have to defeat them by huge margin as there nrr is at 2.44 . If indias both game rain affected, there nrr stays same so we have advantage.
Zimbabwe vs Netherlands also important to make sure Zimbabwe lose
 
Scenario 1:
Pakistan win all
India lose to Bangladesh, win against Zimbabwe

Result: Ind,Bang,Pak nrr will decide

Scenario 2:
Pakistan win all
India lose to Zimbabwe
Zimbabwe lose to Netherlands

Result: Ind, Pak nrr will decide

Scenario 3:
Pakistan win all
India both games rain abandoned

Result: Zim, Pak nrr will decide

Scenario 4:
Pakistan win all games
South Africa lose to Netherlands and Pak
India win all

Result: Pak and Ind qualify, nrr doesn't matter

Scenario 5:
Pakistan win all games
South Africa match with Netherlands abandoned
India win all

Result: Pak and SA nrr will decide

Scenario 6:
Pakistan win games
Zimbabwe beat India, lose to Netherlands

Result: Pak and Ind Nrr will decide


Conclusion: Pakistan has to win all, one upset against India or Sa opens our chances again. Rain partially helps, but a rain abandoned match won't change SA nrr, we will have to defeat them by huge margin as there nrr is at 2.44 . If indias both game rain affected, there nrr stays same so we have advantage.
Zimbabwe vs Netherlands also important to make sure Zimbabwe lose

Weather might not washout games anymore, pretty clear
 
Forget it, we can’t get through, accept it.

Our batting line up doesn’t deserve to be in the semis. The minnow batting line ups deserve it more. Imagine a showpiece world event semi final being subjected to watching this pathetic, cowardly, boring batting line up

Conversely, I feel sorry for our bowling attack - they deserve better. They would make for great viewing in a semi or a final.



The bowling attack Is severely overrated. Just bowling fast doesn't make a good attack.
Sa, India, NZ all have much smarter bowling attacks that can defend lower totals than pakistan.
Rauf with an 8 economy and Pakistan fans believe he is amazing just because he is fast. Lol.
 
Pakistan really against it now - Bangladesh beating India is the only realistic way forward (and for Pakistan to win all the remaining games)
 
Bangladesh beating India is the only hope, to bring it back into our hands.
It is an unfortunate situation to be in given the 2 games were ours after 95% of each game :facepalm:
 
Final throw of the dice now praying for a Bangladesh win. Elimination won't really devastate me too much seeing our performance has been inadequate. I mean failing to chase 130 against Zimbabwe is unforgivable and deserves not qualifying for the semi finals. Even if the Bang defeat India the RSA will mostly likely beat us.
 
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Pakistan is done and dusted. Accept it and move on.

The only thing the fans can hope for now is a fluke win against South Africa to end the tournament on a bright note.
 
Pakistan deserve not to qualify for the Semi Final.However am still rooting for Bangladesh to beat India.
 
It's not over till its really over. Banglaboyz time for you to live up to your mascot Tiger expectation :) We know you can do it, India is a really average team so you can beat them good.

Even if things don't go Pakistan's way, want Pak to put up a good fight in the remaining games and that will be good enough. Can't blame you for one bad game and the other one umpire benefiting the opponent....win loss happens in sports so its all good. These fairweather fans will come out with all guns blazing on social media, just disregard them and focus on future and work on obvious weaknesses.
 
Pinning your hopes on Bangladesh achieving something in sport is a lost cause.

Pakistan should consider themselves knocked out, and use this opportunity to forget about T20 for a while, and focus on the 2 main formats.
 
It's not over till its really over. Banglaboyz time for you to live up to your mascot Tiger expectation :) We know you can do it, India is a really average team so you can beat them good.

Even if things don't go Pakistan's way, want Pak to put up a good fight in the remaining games and that will be good enough. Can't blame you for one bad game and the other one umpire benefiting the opponent....win loss happens in sports so its all good. These fairweather fans will come out with all guns blazing on social media, just disregard them and focus on future and work on obvious weaknesses.

Win/Loss happens against good teams. And that is acceptable. Losing to Zimbabwe and failing to chase 130 is totally unacceptable and merits social ostracisation at the very least.
 
Pakistan is done and dusted. Accept it and move on.

The only thing the fans can hope for now is a fluke win against South Africa to end the tournament on a bright note.
South Africa in this form will absolutely destroy this meek bunch of kittens.
 
Update

Pak win remaining 2 matches and zimbabwe beat india both will have 6 points team with better NRR goes through.

Or

Pak win remaining 2 matches and SA loose to NED
 
Update

Pak win remaining 2 matches and zimbabwe beat india both will have 6 points team with better NRR goes through.

Or

Pak win remaining 2 matches and SA loose to NED

Correct. Also if Ned vs SA is rained off and Pak win remaining 2 matches
 
just give up, i have given up.....

The system has been set to make sure India goes through, saw it clear today. It becomes waste of time.

So dont expect anything from the Zimbabwe game. Pakistans only chance if South africa game is rained off, and Pakistan wins its own games.
 
Adelaide weather is all clear for the week

Pakistan need to win and win handsomely
 
just give up, i have given up.....

The system has been set to make sure India goes through, saw it clear today. It becomes waste of time.

So dont expect anything from the Zimbabwe game. Pakistans only chance if South africa game is rained off, and Pakistan wins its own games.

When your hopes rely on Zim and BD beating India, those hopes are worth getting shattered. And you hope Pak vs SA gets rained out? These hopes are hopeless in Ramiz's words. And to top it all, the blame is on BCCI because the umpires took the right decision to complete the match despite the equation being in BD's favor? That's just weird
 
Pakistan can still qualify if SA lose all their remaining matches and Pakistan winning remaining three. I wanted Pakistan to qualify because they bring close matches always.
 
just give up, i have given up.....

The system has been set to make sure India goes through, saw it clear today. It becomes waste of time.

So dont expect anything from the Zimbabwe game. Pakistans only chance if South africa game is rained off, and Pakistan wins its own games.

Yes system also involved in Zimbabwe beating Pakistan .
How hard is to take 4 runs in 4 balls . don't depend on other team to favour you as simple as that .
 
Update

Pak win remaining 2 matches and zimbabwe beat india both will have 6 points team with better NRR goes through.

Or

Pak win remaining 2 matches and SA loose to NED

I guess if India and Pak are both on same points than India will go through. Based on head to head matches.
RR comes to equation if 3 teams are on same points .. Isn't it?
 
Pakistan can still qualify if SA lose all their remaining matches and Pakistan winning remaining three. I wanted Pakistan to qualify because they bring close matches always.

BD, NL, ZIM all bring close games, there is nothing special about Pakistan and close game. Deserving candidate should be in Semi.
 
Lol Pakistan is my second team. Cant lay the blame on icc door when Pakistan bottled it in both games they lost .
 
Whether reaching SF or not just play the remaining games very well and excel witht the batting bowling and fielding and earn the respect of Cricket fans world over . WCT20 is not the end of the world , many more matches and games have to be played .
 
Whether reaching SF or not just play the remaining games very well and excel witht the batting bowling and fielding and earn the respect of Cricket fans world over . WCT20 is not the end of the world , many more matches and games have to be played .

Yep, come home with chest thumping victories in dead rubber games, learn nothing, improve nothing, do nothing to fix anything - be happy, move on.
Awesome!
 
The qualification permutations in Group 2 are beginning to take shape as the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2022 rapidly approaches its knockout stage.

But no team is yet confirmed as through to the final four, with plenty left to play for in the Super 12 group. We take a look at the state of play as things stand.


Who’s in the driving seat to reach the semi-finals?

It would take more than one against-the-odds result to prevent India and South Africa from being the two teams to qualify from Group 2 and into the semi-finals of the tournament.

India’s narrow and nail-biting win over Bangladesh has sent them top on six points from four games, but they could still be caught if results go against them and they are beaten by Zimbabwe in their final match.

South Africa can officially confirm their spot in the top two with a win over Pakistan on Thursday. But should they lose that match then the group will go down to the final round of games.


Are India through?

India will not technically be through until the final round of matches, with Rohit Sharma’s side playing the last game in the group.

If results had gone differently then the timing of that Zimbabwe fixture would have given India an edge in terms of knowing what they needed on net run rate (as is the scenario in Group 1).

But as things stand India may already be qualified if other results in the group go their way.

Should South Africa beat Pakistan and then Pakistan beat Bangladesh, nobody can replace India in the top two.

And even if results go against India, leaving them outside of the qualification spaces at the start of that match against Zimbabwe, a win would certainly send them into the semis – nobody other than South Africa can reach the eight points that a win in that game would give India.


Can Pakistan still make it?

The chances of a Pakistan appearance in the semi-finals are dwindling by the day, but Babar Azam and his side are still not mathematically out of the running.

First, they simply must beat South Africa on Thursday. Fail to win that match and their qualification hopes are done.

If Pakistan do win against the Proteas then they will need another victory in their fifth and final match against Bangladesh, preferably by a decent margin to give them a strong final NRR just in case that is a deciding factor.

And then Pakistan would require assistance.

In those circumstances they could finish above India should there be a shock Zimbabwe win in the final group match.

Or they could finish above South Africa if either the Dutch do them a favour with an upset in that game, or if rain prevents a result and Pakistan have managed to overtake the Proteas on NRR.

So it’s unlikely, but not impossible at this stage. But any sliver of hope hangs on the result of that huge game in Sydney on Thursday.

The win for Netherlands over Zimbabwe on Wednesday has effectively ruled them out of contention for an unlikely top two finish.

Had Sikandar Raza inspired his team to victory over the Dutch – and he did his best with limited assistance – then there could have been a chance for Zimbabwe to spring one of the biggest surprises in the history of the tournament.


Key Upcoming Match

Pakistan v South Africa – 3 November

This could be the game that decides the group.

A win for South Africa in Sydney would see them become the first team mathematically confirmed as through to the semi-finals.

But victory for Pakistan would keep them in the hunt for a top-two finish, albeit with qualification still out of their hands after those two early losses.

Remaining Group 2 Fixtures

All the T20 World Cup Fixtures
3 November: Pakistan v South Africa, SCG, Sydney

6 November: South Africa v Netherlands, Adelaide Oval

6 November: Pakistan v Bangladesh, Adelaide Oval

6 November: Zimbabwe v India, MCG, Melbourne
 
just give up, i have given up.....

The system has been set to make sure India goes through, saw it clear today. It becomes waste of time.

So dont expect anything from the Zimbabwe game. Pakistans only chance if South africa game is rained off, and Pakistan wins its own games.

Even if that happens, South Africa's net run rate is so much higher that it will be extremely difficult for us.
 
Pakistan can still qualify if SA lose all their remaining matches and Pakistan winning remaining three. I wanted Pakistan to qualify because they bring close matches always.

Pakistan has two games left and yes they have to win both.
 
Still in the hunt, knowing how India barely escaped against BD, Zimbabwe could have a chance to pull off an upset. I wouldn't call Zimb winning against India an upset just like how I don't call them winning against Pakistan an upset.

And we know Namibia, Ireland and Zimbabwe all have pulled so called upsets so Netherland could do the same against SA. It's T20 and you cant simply write it off till it's really over. Pakistan needs to bring its A game in next two games.
 
The qualification permutations in Group 2 are beginning to take shape as the ICC Men’s T20 World Cup 2022 rapidly approaches its knockout stage.

But no team is yet confirmed as through to the final four, with plenty left to play for in the Super 12 group. We take a look at the state of play as things stand.


Who’s in the driving seat to reach the semi-finals?

It would take more than one against-the-odds result to prevent India and South Africa from being the two teams to qualify from Group 2 and into the semi-finals of the tournament.

India’s narrow and nail-biting win over Bangladesh has sent them top on six points from four games, but they could still be caught if results go against them and they are beaten by Zimbabwe in their final match.

South Africa can officially confirm their spot in the top two with a win over Pakistan on Thursday. But should they lose that match then the group will go down to the final round of games.


Are India through?

India will not technically be through until the final round of matches, with Rohit Sharma’s side playing the last game in the group.

If results had gone differently then the timing of that Zimbabwe fixture would have given India an edge in terms of knowing what they needed on net run rate (as is the scenario in Group 1).

But as things stand India may already be qualified if other results in the group go their way.

Should South Africa beat Pakistan and then Pakistan beat Bangladesh, nobody can replace India in the top two.

And even if results go against India, leaving them outside of the qualification spaces at the start of that match against Zimbabwe, a win would certainly send them into the semis – nobody other than South Africa can reach the eight points that a win in that game would give India.


Can Pakistan still make it?

The chances of a Pakistan appearance in the semi-finals are dwindling by the day, but Babar Azam and his side are still not mathematically out of the running.

First, they simply must beat South Africa on Thursday. Fail to win that match and their qualification hopes are done.

If Pakistan do win against the Proteas then they will need another victory in their fifth and final match against Bangladesh, preferably by a decent margin to give them a strong final NRR just in case that is a deciding factor.

And then Pakistan would require assistance.

In those circumstances they could finish above India should there be a shock Zimbabwe win in the final group match.

Or they could finish above South Africa if either the Dutch do them a favour with an upset in that game, or if rain prevents a result and Pakistan have managed to overtake the Proteas on NRR.

So it’s unlikely, but not impossible at this stage. But any sliver of hope hangs on the result of that huge game in Sydney on Thursday.

The win for Netherlands over Zimbabwe on Wednesday has effectively ruled them out of contention for an unlikely top two finish.

Had Sikandar Raza inspired his team to victory over the Dutch – and he did his best with limited assistance – then there could have been a chance for Zimbabwe to spring one of the biggest surprises in the history of the tournament.


Key Upcoming Match

Pakistan v South Africa – 3 November

This could be the game that decides the group.

A win for South Africa in Sydney would see them become the first team mathematically confirmed as through to the semi-finals.

But victory for Pakistan would keep them in the hunt for a top-two finish, albeit with qualification still out of their hands after those two early losses.

Remaining Group 2 Fixtures

All the T20 World Cup Fixtures
3 November: Pakistan v South Africa, SCG, Sydney

6 November: South Africa v Netherlands, Adelaide Oval

6 November: Pakistan v Bangladesh, Adelaide Oval

6 November: Zimbabwe v India, MCG, Melbourne

I think NRR doesn't matter for Pak if they win their next 2 games. if they win their NRR will go up. If India lose theirs will go down so Pak is already beating India.

As for SA, if their game gets rained out PAk will beat them in number of wins. It goes number of wins, NRR and then head to head. Pak just needs to win 2 games and and unexpected result in SA vs. Ned or Zim vs. India. Improbable but not impossible.
 
India could have realistically lost today, I don't think we will get into a similar situation against Zimbabwe again.

Since today's narrow win has brought India's NRR below Pakistan's, what this means is if Pak manage to win their next two games and continue to keep that NRR above India's, then the Zimbabwe game becomes a must win for India, and although a defeat is unlikely, who knows, strange things have happened in cricket.
 
I think NRR doesn't matter for Pak if they win their next 2 games. if they win their NRR will go up. If India lose theirs will go down so Pak is already beating India.

As for SA, if their game gets rained out PAk will beat them in number of wins. It goes number of wins, NRR and then head to head. Pak just needs to win 2 games and and unexpected result in SA vs. Ned or Zim vs. India. Improbable but not impossible.

well said. there is no more issue of NRR for Pakistan to qualify. They just need to win by any margin, their NRR will be above Indias (due to 2 wins for them, and 1 loss for India, and theirs is lower than Pakistans already) in scenario 1 that India lose to Zim.

in Scenario 2, South Africa have rain related tie with NL, then again NRR will not come into equation as for table ranking for semi final purpose, first thing checked is number of wins, in which Pakistan would have had 3 and South Africa 2 wins and 2 ties. So Pakistan will qualify based on that before NRR is even considered.

so basically its 3 things that need to happen:
1. beat south africa by any margin
2. beat bangladesh by any margin
Then one of below 3 things:
1. Zim beat India (unlikely but not impossible)
or
2. NL beat SAF (impossible)
or
3. NL SAF Rain Tie (not sure of weather forecast, but unlikely as even if 5 over match SAF can easily win)
 
I guess if India and Pak are both on same points than India will go through. Based on head to head matches.
RR comes to equation if 3 teams are on same points .. Isn't it?

No. head to head does not come into play even if 2 teams tied, it only comes into play if NRR is same. see below:

First Round

In the event of teams finishing on equal points in their Group, the right to progress to the Super 12s stage of the competition will be decided in the following order of priority:

a) The team with the greatest number of wins in its Group will be placed in the higher position.

b) If there are teams with equal points and equal wins in the Group stage, then in such case the team with the higher net run rate in the Group stage will be placed in the higher position.

c) If two or more teams are still equal, they will be ordered according to the head to head match played between them (points then net run rate in those matches)

d) If the above does not resolve the Group ordering, or if all matches within a Group produce no results, then the teams will be ordered as per their original First Round Group seedings.
 
I think NRR doesn't matter for Pak if they win their next 2 games. if they win their NRR will go up. If India lose theirs will go down so Pak is already beating India.

As for SA, if their game gets rained out PAk will beat them in number of wins. It goes number of wins, NRR and then head to head. Pak just needs to win 2 games and and unexpected result in SA vs. Ned or Zim vs. India. Improbable but not impossible.

Not really, if your NRR is +0.7 you have to win fairly handily to maintain the same NRR. If Pakistan both the games very narrowly (on the last ball), then the NRR will go down .
 
Babar will get a 100 in the remaining games and everything will be good again.
 
Not really, if your NRR is +0.7 you have to win fairly handily to maintain the same NRR. If Pakistan both the games very narrowly (on the last ball), then the NRR will go down .

you are right. technically it is possible for NRR to go down. but probability of that happening in such as way that team winning 2 games ends up with such reduction that it goes below a team losing its game is quite unlikely.

0.7 NRR means for e.g. in 20 overs you get 140 and other team gets 126, but then its averaged across your total runs for and against, so as you go further into tournament, each individual game affect on NRR keeps going down.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/page/429305.html
 
well said. there is no more issue of NRR for Pakistan to qualify. They just need to win by any margin, their NRR will be above Indias (due to 2 wins for them, and 1 loss for India, and theirs is lower than Pakistans already) in scenario 1 that India lose to Zim.

in Scenario 2, South Africa have rain related tie with NL, then again NRR will not come into equation as for table ranking for semi final purpose, first thing checked is number of wins, in which Pakistan would have had 3 and South Africa 2 wins and 2 ties. So Pakistan will qualify based on that before NRR is even considered.

so basically its 3 things that need to happen:
1. beat south africa by any margin
2. beat bangladesh by any margin
Then one of below 3 things:
1. Zim beat India (unlikely but not impossible)
or
2. NL beat SAF (impossible)
or
3. NL SAF Rain Tie (not sure of weather forecast, but unlikely as even if 5 over match SAF can easily win)

Net run rate will certainly come down even if you win
Both the matces with narrow victory..
 
you are right. technically it is possible for NRR to go down. but probability of that happening in such as way that team winning 2 games ends up with such reduction that it goes below a team losing its game is quite unlikely.

0.7 NRR means for e.g. in 20 overs you get 140 and other team gets 126, but then its averaged across your total runs for and against, so as you go further into tournament, each individual game affect on NRR keeps going down.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/page/429305.html

If both are narrow wins then your net run rate can come down to 0.5 and India just need to stay above this even if it looses against Zimbabwe
 
From the time Pakistan lost to Zimbabwe they were out of SF race.

Like we were after losing to Pakistan last T20 WC
 
Zimbabwe beat india or Dutch beat SA or a wash out in one of those games .
 
Rained off and SA are out

They need to play and get a result against NL

I think they should aim for 160 in 16 and declare if they can
 
That Zimbabwe loss feels like that WI one in WC 2019.

If only...
 
Rained off and SA are out

They need to play and get a result against NL

I think they should aim for 160 in 16 and declare if they can

No chance of rain in Ned vs South Africa game as of now but things can change very quickly so fingers crossed .but still first Pakistan beat to Bangladesh as they can spoil Pakistan party before that clash .
 
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