How disgraceful a person is Free (Azad) Kashmir's Prime Minister?

[srh]

Free (Azad) Kashmir's Prime Minister said that Shaikh Rasheed is a transgender of Rawalpindi and Imran Khan has nominated a transgender for the election of Prime Minister of Pakistan

https://www.express.pk/story/892411/

What a disgraceful human being this guy is? What have transgenders done to him that he hates them so much.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Corrupt traitor. His comments will not be forgotten.

 

[Black Zero]

I met two kashmiris (from Azad Kashmir) and they hated Pakistan.

 

[srh]

I met two kashmiris (from Azad Kashmir) and they hated Pakistan.

Thats ok. I am concerned about the Azad Kahmir Prime Minister's apparent disdain for transgenders and thats why I created this thread. Why he thinks so low of those people? How can an educated & in power person talk like that about a group of people who are already feel discriminated in the society? He should be forced to apologize to the transgenders of Pakistan and the world and should be forced to perform social work in their community.

 

[big_gamer007]

Did he use being transgender as an insult or is the guy a transgender?

TBH transgender aren't the best treated in our part of the world and even the most educated people use the Hindi term as an abuse/insult.. It's the sad truth about our region..

 

[ShadabFakhar]

I met two kashmiris (from Azad Kashmir) and they hated Pakistan.

Maybe they're PML-N too. Zardari and Sharif take precedence in Pakistan as far as their respective supporters are concerned. They usually consist of the 'I'm all right Jack' types.

 

[PakLFC]

Try living one day in IoK and he will appreciate Pakistan the next minute. These traitors should be thrown out of Pakistan.

 

[PakLFC]

I met two kashmiris (from Azad Kashmir) and they hated Pakistan.

As I say if the majority of those living in Azaad Kashmir hate Pakistan then they can have there independent Kashmir. Just get out of Pakistan as soon as possible.

 

[Asim_khan]

I met two kashmiris (from Azad Kashmir) and they hated Pakistan.

I've live amongst them, they make up a vast sum of Pakistani's in the north of England and Birmingham, and they're the most partisan Pakistani's I've ever met.

Also yes, this minister is making an absolute mockery out of himself. What a buffoon.

 

[90MPH]

As I say if the majority of those living in Azaad Kashmir hate Pakistan then they can have there independent Kashmir. Just get out of Pakistan as soon as possible.

They don't, Vast majority love Pakistan very much.

 

[PakLFC]

Pakistan will be fine without Kashmir. Azaad Kashmir like IoK will be under occupation with their ladies being abused, kid's killed and men blinded. I just want Kashmiris to know that they are not forced to be Pakistanis.

 

[Asim_khan]

Pakistan will be fine without Kashmir. Azaad Kashmir like IoK will be under occupation with their ladies being abused, kid's killed and men blinded. I just want Kashmiris to know that they are not forced to be Pakistanis.

Quit your trolling. There's literally no-one but a Nawaz Sharif fan boy who said some nonsense and instantly regretted it, and then got the smackdown laid on him from all angles. I've not heard any other Kashmiri talk of themselves as separate entitiy to Pakistan.

 

[PakLFC]

Quit your trolling. There's literally no-one but a Nawaz Sharif fan boy who said some nonsense and instantly regretted it, and then got the smackdown laid on him from all angles. I've not heard any other Kashmiri talk of themselves as separate entitiy to Pakistan.

I have!

 

[saeedhk]

I met two kashmiris (from Azad Kashmir) and they hated Pakistan.

Probably the only two Kashmiris from the whole of Azad Kashmir that hate Pakistan.

 

[Asim_khan]

I have!

Well they're in a minority, they should speak up and share their feelings with the rest of us and not just yourself and Black Zero

 

[srh]

Did he use being transgender as an insult or is the guy a transgender?

TBH transgender aren't the best treated in our part of the world and even the most educated people use the Hindi term as an abuse/insult.. It's the sad truth about our region..

He called his opponent a transgender as an insult. If people like him who are educated and in power, talk like that about transgenders then how the public will behave towards transgenders?

 

[CricketCartoons]

He called his opponent a transgender as an insult. If people like him who are educated and in power, talk like that about transgenders then how the public will behave towards transgenders?

Imran Khan had once said that he won't have Sheikh Rasheed as even his chaprasi. Why insult chaprasis? Is that how educated people are supposed to talk?

 

[srh]

Imran Khan had once said that he won't have Sheikh Rasheed as even his chaprasi. Why insult chaprasis? Is that how educated people are supposed to talk?

Imran Khan is also very bad. I have seen him make fun of an opponent because of that opponent's dark skin.

 

[Asim_khan]

Imran Khan had once said that he won't have Sheikh Rasheed as even his chaprasi. Why insult chaprasis? Is that how educated people are supposed to talk?

Are you seriously conflating the suffering and humiliation of transgender people with that of an office junior?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Are you seriously conflating the suffering and humiliation of transgender people with that of an office junior?

Of course not. I am showing that even someone with best education like imran khan is not beyond insulting people whose only fault is that they have a humble job, or high concentration of melanin.

 

[Asim_khan]

Of course not. I am showing that even someone with best education like imran khan is not beyond insulting people whose only fault is that they have a humble job, or high concentration of melanin.

I think the context he used the insult is important, for one Chaprasi is an entry level position, it isn't what you'd expect someone with the experience of Sh. Rashid to be taking. So it's more an attack on Sh. Rashid than the job.

And secondly the racist accusation was made by SRH and not you, unless that's another account of yours.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think the context he used the insult is important, for one Chaprasi is an entry level position, it isn't what you'd expect someone with the experience of Sh. Rashid to be taking. So it's more an attack on Sh. Rashid than the job.

And secondly the racist accusation was made by SRH and not you, unless that's another account of yours.

Ok, Imran Khan is beyond criticism. I agree I had misinterpreted his innocuous comments.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They don't, Vast majority love Pakistan very much.

To be fair, if there were two who hated Pakistan, you would expect Black Zero to find them.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

To be fair, if there were two who hated Pakistan, you would expect Black Zero to find them.

That goes for anything really. If you're always for looking for defects you'll be sure to find one or two eventually.

Reminds me of how the certain islamophobes collate encyclopaedic levels of information about certain wrongdoings committed by Muslims and use it to justify their racially motivated stereotypes. You can usually sense when one carries an agenda or is in the genuine pursuit of the truth on forums like these.

 

[ahmedzee]

I met two kashmiris (from Azad Kashmir) and they hated Pakistan.

My wife and her family is Kashmiri (azad), and from her side of the family, everyone is a PML-N supporter. Literally everyone! Infact, the current mayor of Rawalpindi (PML-N Candidate) is a distant relative.

They all love Pakistan though.

 

[Tommo]

Well...I'm from the UK and I can categorically state, 'Mirpuris' are the most patriotic Pakistanis I've ever met in my entire life. 70% of all British- Pakistanis are mirpuri... Just come here and ask the people (or just watch their celebrations on YouTube, everytime Pakistan wins something). People whom are suggesting otherwise are totally deluded it's hilarious.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Well...I'm from the UK and I can categorically state, 'Mirpuris' are the most patriotic Pakistanis I've ever met in my entire life. 70% of all British- Pakistanis are mirpuri... Just come here and ask the people (or just watch their celebrations on YouTube, everytime Pakistan wins something). People whom are suggesting otherwise are totally deluded it's hilarious.

Not just Mirpuris. The ones from Charhoi are equally patriotic and have members of family active in the Pakistani army. You have the odd idiot here and there that wants to appear different from the rest but by and large Pakistani and proud.

 

[Asim_khan]

Not just Mirpuris. The ones from Charhoi are equally patriotic and have members of family active in the Pakistani army. You have the odd idiot here and there that wants to appear different from the rest but by and large Pakistani and proud.

Same goes for those from Dadyaal, Katthaar, Tarnote, Kohtlee etc, I've never once heard them say anything about being independant of Pakistan, let alone getting into bed with the oppressors across the border

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Same goes for those from Dadyaal, Katthaar, Tarnote, Kohtlee etc, I've never once heard them say anything about being independant of Pakistan, let alone getting into bed with the oppressors across the border

Moeen Ali is from Dadyaal, close to where my family originates from. Cherhoi Tehsil is in the Kotli district I think. I'm from this community and only recently began discovering my heritage so i think I know what I'm talking compared to a few armchair experts on here.

 

[Black Zero]

Probably the only two Kashmiris from the whole of Azad Kashmir that hate Pakistan.

In both cases, I encouraged them to open up as they were reluctant to open up on this subject.

 

[Black Zero]

That goes for anything really. If you're always for looking for defects you'll be sure to find one or two eventually.

Reminds me of how the certain islamophobes collate encyclopaedic levels of information about certain wrongdoings committed by Muslims and use it to justify their racially motivated stereotypes. You can usually sense when one carries an agenda or is in the genuine pursuit of the truth on forums like these.

It was hard not to find him as one of them was my class fellow.
He got admission on KashmirI Quota (he scored around 650 in fsc while merit was 880) and I was expecting him to be little appreciative but to my surprise he had anti-pakistan views.
He mentioned some issues that I had no clue about so I cannot recall now.
Anyway, thanks to him for sharing his real feelings as otherwise he kept his opinion to himself.


On a side note, I admit that I have critical mindset.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

It was hard not to find him as one of them was my class fellow.
He got admission on KashmirI Quota (he scored around 650 in fsc while merit was 880) and I was expecting him to be little appreciative but to my surprise he had anti-pakistan views.
He mentioned some issues that I had no clue about so I cannot recall now.
Anyway, thanks to him for sharing his real feelings as otherwise he kept his opinion to himself.


On a side note, I admit that I have critical mindset.

Being critical for the sake of criticising is not always a bad thing, but do it too much and you become a hammer with every issue you face a nail.

 

[PakLFC]

Well they're in a minority, they should speak up and share their feelings with the rest of us and not just yourself and Black Zero

There are many they express their views to. Regretfully not all are members of this website.

 

[Asim_khan]

Moeen Ali is from Dadyaal, close to where my family originates from. Cherhoi Tehsil is in the Kotli district I think. I'm from this community and only recently began discovering my heritage so i think I know what I'm talking compared to a few armchair experts on here.

My family is from Jhelum, but where I'm from in uk, I've always been surrounded by people from Azad Kashmir, to the point my 'mirpuri' is better than my Punjabi. Seeing some of the opinions on here, it's frankly laughable, dreams of an rss Indian than someone who's dealt with with Kashmiri Pakistani's

 

[ShadabFakhar]

My family is from Jhelum, but where I'm from in uk, I've always been surrounded by people from Azad Kashmir, to the point my 'mirpuri' is better than my Punjabi. Seeing some of the opinions on here, it's frankly laughable, dreams of an rss Indian than someone who's dealt with with Kashmiri Pakistani's

Most Azad Kashmiris would slap these guys silly for these comments.

Laughable is exactly what it is. Anyone in Pakistan who says Kashmiris should pack up and leave would themselves do better to pack up and leave for India. Their opinion would be more welcome there.

 

[Adil_94]

majority of British Mirpuris who are from AJK are very patriotic Pakistanis and see themselves as being Pakistani. Where i live 75% of the Pakistanis are from Mirpur and when Pak won CT the whole city was full of Pakistan flags.

They arent ethnic Kashmiris anyway unlike the ones in Indian Kashmir and their culture religion and language is pretty much similar to Potohar region of Northern Punjab. Just Dangali separates Potohar and Mirpur mainly. So have a much closer affinity with Pakistan.

the rest of Kashmiri residents are like that too. Though ofc u will find some who want an independent state they are a tiny minority. ive heard in Kotli there are some radicals who want an independent Kashmir but again a small group

 

[Adil_94]

My mates who are from Mirpur go they have experienced some discrimination from Pak authorities esp Cops due to having Azad Kashmir numberplate. When they tell them they are from AJK they mockingly say is that in India. But even then most people from azad kashmir see themselves as Pakistani.

 

[Adil_94]

but yeah these comments are pretty childish.
i think that AJK is a PML N stronghold just like a lot of Potohar is. I.K is seen by certain conservative elements in the area as being too westernised and too dismissive of traditional culture.

Ive heard a lot of people critcise the fact he has women dancing at his rallies n just stuff like that.

 

[Asim_khan]

My mates who are from Mirpur go they have experienced some discrimination from Pak authorities esp Cops due to having Azad Kashmir numberplate. When they tell them they are from AJK they mockingly say is that in India. But even then most people from azad kashmir see themselves as Pakistani.

A lot have complained about issues with Police, because as soon as police see numberplates from AJK, they automatically assume they're from the UK and demand bribes etc, or they'll start opening their luggage etc right there on GT road.

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=98507]Asim_khan[/MENTION] not surpised such is the endemic corruption within the police force. everyones out to make a quick buck.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

majority of British Mirpuris who are from AJK are very patriotic Pakistanis and see themselves as being Pakistani. Where i live 75% of the Pakistanis are from Mirpur and when Pak won CT the whole city was full of Pakistan flags.

They arent ethnic Kashmiris anyway unlike the ones in Indian Kashmir and their culture religion and language is pretty much similar to Potohar region of Northern Punjab. Just Dangali separates Potohar and Mirpur mainly. So have a much closer affinity with Pakistan.

the rest of Kashmiri residents are like that too. Though ofc u will find some who want an independent state they are a tiny minority. ive heard in Kotli there are some radicals who want an independent Kashmir but again a small group

There are ethnic Kashmiris in AJK and there are also non-ethnic Kashmiris in IOK. Ethnic Kashmiris were spread all over the course of their history in the region . The culture and religion was dominated by Punjab because of Sikh rulers. So if an ethnic Kashmiri married a dogra or Punjabi they'd identify as Rajput or Jatt to assimilate with the ruling class. Even now some Jatt and Punjabi consider ethnic Kashmiris a lower class.

It's not so straightforward as AJK has one of the most confused identities because they don't really identify as Punjabi or ethnic Kashmiri.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

My mates who are from Mirpur go they have experienced some discrimination from Pak authorities esp Cops due to having Azad Kashmir numberplate. When they tell them they are from AJK they mockingly say is that in India. But even then most people from azad kashmir see themselves as Pakistani.

Yeah, that is common and it's not beyond our lot to say something like that.

 

[maverick85]

The thread should be: how pathetic is this individual for representing pmln in ajk. Pmln don't give too much thought to areas outside takht e punjab (s.e. Punjab). For what he said in the heat of the moment for his beloved leader, he and Mr baber sher of Punjab Sharif should spend some time in Gujarat with Mr ap kai baar modi sarkar. Maybe a Christmas visit would be in order for both these clowns. Gardaars

 

[Adil_94]

[MENTION=145024]ShadabFakhar[/MENTION] yeah i think in mirpur a lot of the ethnic kashmiris that were there must have inter married with outside tribes coz most mirpuris i know identify with groups like Jatt Gujjar Rajput then obvs u have the Qasbi Kamar Mochi Nai.

in Pak u have a lot of Kashmiri Butts who over the decades and centuries have assimilated into Punjabi culture and no longer speak Kashmiri. i think Nawaz Sharif is one of them.

And Punjabified Pathans like I.K and Misbah who dont speak Pashto anymore.

These are same tribes/castes u get in Potohar region. Idk bout rest of AJK. But as far as Mirpur district goes ive found most people from there linguistically culturally very similar to Potohar where my family originates from.

the language we speak is pretty much the same and we can understand each other fine even though Potohar is technically part of Punjab. Potoharis can relate to Mirpuris in AJK more than say someone from Lahore or anywhere in Central Punjab where they speak proper Punjabi which i find harder to understand.

 

[Musakhel]

If 70% of brit paks are from mirpur, how many are from Ajk all together?

 

[ShadabFakhar]

[MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION]

Although we call it Mirpuri, they use the same dialect in the Kotli side. We can usually understand each other better than we can Punjabi or Urdu.

It's a place that is fairly tolerant compared to certain areas of Pakistan yet you had loads of concentrated local fiefdoms throughout Kashmir. So much so that the area where we're from we didn't really identify with Mirpur - even though we're about an hour's drive away - until this label was given to AJK Brit Pakistanis in the UK. Kotli side are also mistaken for Mirpuris because of the language.

Then you have ethnic Kashmiris in AJK who have lost their ethnicity altogether. This is partly why the Indians consider the Pandits to have gone 'missing' throughout their history. They just converted and assimilated with the later ruling classes that came from Mughul and subsequent Sikh rule.

 

[ShadabFakhar]

Quite a few. But as mentioned above, some are from Cherhoi which is part of the Kotli district. They also get tagged as Mirpuri because of shared culture and language.