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How do you rank the current crop of ODI wicket-keepers on their batting ability?

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The first choice ODI keepers at the moment for each side are:


India: MS Dhoni;
Pakistan: Sarfraz Ahmed;
England: Jos Buttler;
Australia: Tim Paine;
South Africa: Quinton de Kock;
West Indies: Shai Hope;
Afghanistan: Mohammad Shahzad
Sri Lanka: Dickwella
Bangladesh: Mushfiqur Rahim
NZ: Latham;
Zimbabwe: Taylor.

How would you rate them on their current batting ability? Say top 3 or top 5?

Here are their stats since Jan 1st 2017 although I don't think the stats tell the full story (*cough cough* Dhoni).

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...7;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting
 
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Buttler
QdK
Dhoni

Rest are all ordinary. Dhoni despite his horrible form has respectable figures for a WK, which is his saving grace. He doesn't fit in India's plans though.
 
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Although they may not have extraordinary numbers, Shai Hope and Niroshan Dickwella are two feisty characters that have loads of potential and temperament and that should bode well for their respective teams. Shai Hope, in particular, looks to me a player that can alleviate Windies' batting woes in recent times. Top talent.
 
1. QDK
2. Buttler
3. Dhoni

The rest are medicore and are more so inconsistent. I would give a shout out to Latham but the wicketkeeping duties have put his performances quite bad. Still a good player and decent wicketkeeper.
 
Buttler by a quite margin followed by de Kock.

de kock stocks have gone down after a very poor showing in India series.

Rest are mediocre.
 
Butler and De kock are the only ones who stand out..

Dhoni needs to retire he is a liability right now and is worse than Sarfaraz also.
 
Butler
De kock
Rahim
Taylor and Latham
Shahzad
Hope
Dickwella



Dhoni and Sarfaraz

Last two have become specialist keepers, with Dhoni’s in an even more niche role of DRS expert
 
Sarfaraz is even more useless than Dhoni. Dhoni has atleast good wicket keeping with him nowadays.
 
De Kock is flying.

ICC Rankings: Kohli and Rohit Stay at Top, De Kock Jumps to Fourth

A Player of the Series performance against Sri Lanka in the five-match ODI series has seen South African opener Quinton de Kock move up to fourth in the ICC Men’s ODI Player Rankings.

The Proteas won the series 5-0 with the wicket-keeper batsman scoring 353 runs which includes one century and three half-centuries. Skipper Faf du Plessis, who also scored heavily against the Lankans, has moved up to fifth position.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...y-at-top-de-kock-jumps-to-fourth-2069467.html
 
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Buttler, De Kock, Dhoni, M Rahim, Tom Latham, S Hope, Dickwella, Shahzad, Sarfraz, A Carey.

In that order..
 
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So far in the WC:

Mushfiqur has done really well, the stand out keeper batsman.

Buttler and De Kock haven’t really set the world alight.

Hope has been hopeless.

Dhoni’s stats look good but look beyond them and he’s done nothing special.

Sarfaraz? Did well against England and okay vs Australia. Other then that he’s been poor.

Shahzad is sitting at home crying.

Latham has been batting like a number 11.

Finally Carey for Australia has batted really well.
 
Mushfiqur has clearly been the best with the bat in the WC. Mushfiqur, de Kock and Buttler are in a league of their own. However, they all play different roles with the bat for their teams.
 
Butler is the best ODI keeping batsman currently. Alex Carey is second. Mushfiqur is probably third.

Mushfiqur is a great batsman but he is one of the worst keepers. He shouldn't keep.
 
Buttler and Quinton are the only two very good ones. Although Buttler's keeping from what I've seen has been ordinary. Why don't England let Bairstow keep is he just as bad?
 
Gabbar Singh said:
So far in the WC:

Mushfiqur has done really well, the stand out keeper batsman.

Buttler and De Kock haven’t really set the world alight.

Hope has been hopeless.

Dhoni’s stats look good but look beyond them and he’s done nothing special.

Sarfaraz? Did well against England and okay vs Australia. Other then that he’s been poor.

Shahzad is sitting at home crying.

Latham has been batting like a number 11.

Finally Carey for Australia has batted really well.
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Buttler started with a century against Pakistan, unfortunately he has come in at tough situations and hasnt been able to rescue the team. I'd still consider him as the best bat among all keepers.

My ratings
1. Buttler
2. De Kock (Has been shocking this WC but still no.4 ranked ODI bastman)
3. Mushfiq
4. Carey
5. Hope
 
Forgot to mentioned Kusal Perera who has kept for SL in the WC - he's batted very aggressively.

Will he be their long term ODI/T20I keeper?
 
Carey has been really impressive. Been much more reliable down the order than Maxwell and Stonis and rescued Aus the other day.
 
The Viper said:
Carey has been really impressive. Been much more reliable down the order than Maxwell and Stonis and rescued Aus the other day.
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I would rate Carey as second best in the world currently (much better than overrated De Kock). Aussies should persist with him.
 
If anyone's interested, here's the statistics for the current WC:

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Carey and Mushfiqur have done well. Rest have been a big disappointment.
 
1) Alex Carey

2) Buttler

3) Mushfiqur Rahim

4) Shai Hope

Top four wicketkeeper-batsmen currently in the world.
 
Well one thing you won’t see in this thread is Sarfaraz fans. They know his worth but want him to captain Pak for what I think are non-cricketing reasons.
 
Batting first I would pick Mushfiq
Mushfiq is the roar chaser and throws away his wicket every time. Also I will solely lick him as a batsman, his gloves need to be snatched away from him in the middle of the field during a match and burned.
Chasing I will pick Carey - He will get better. He’s the next Hussey
 
1. Buttler - a man for all occasions and by far the most talented batter amongst all
2. QDK - his numbers speak for themselves and is second only to buttler
3. Mushfiq - Has become a different beast in last 5 years, before that he used to be pretty timid and slow
4. Hope - Has extraordinary potential as a batter but still has a long way to go before he can realize his potential. Tends to struggle in the middle overs in rotating the strike. Atm, is better suited as an opener. Long term, he can challenge QdK and Buttler if he improves.
5. Alex Carey - Was a jack of all trades as a batter without being a specialist with one role a bit like Haddin. Has had an amazing WC. With the culture Aus have, he will probably go strength to strength atleast in ODIs.
6. Kusal Perera - Possibly the only thing SLC doesn't have a problem in atm. Reasonable wicketkeeper. Explosive with the bat. should be batting at the top alongside Dickwella.
7 Brendan Taylor - suffering from the team and the board he plays for. Plus is nearing the end of his career. Was half of the Zimbabwe team from 2007-15. Hugely under rated.
8. Sarfraz - well unreliable and irresponsible with the bat in the middle order and limited power hitting ability in the lower order. but will still go down as one of our country's best wicketkeeper batters of all time.
9 - Tom Latham - Yes one of the best test openers in the world atm, but a middling LOI bat. But is still serviceable. I would think Phillips would takeover from his in a year or two.
10 - Ikram Alikhil - raw and too small a sample size to judge.

As the WC has ended, I think there will be someone new in the Indian team as the keeper. So Indian team's keeper is unrated. Dhoni 2005-15 was either the best or the second best wicketkeeper bat of all time. Hands down.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
1. Buttler - a man for all occasions and by far the most talented batter amongst all
2. QDK - his numbers speak for themselves and is second only to buttler
3. Mushfiq - Has become a different beast in last 5 years, before that he used to be pretty timid and slow
4. Hope - Has extraordinary potential as a batter but still has a long way to go before he can realize his potential. Tends to struggle in the middle overs in rotating the strike. Atm, is better suited as an opener. Long term, he can challenge QdK and Buttler if he improves.
5. Alex Carey - Was a jack of all trades as a batter without being a specialist with one role a bit like Haddin. Has had an amazing WC. With the culture Aus have, he will probably go strength to strength atleast in ODIs.
6. Kusal Perera - Possibly the only thing SLC doesn't have a problem in atm. Reasonable wicketkeeper. Explosive with the bat. should be batting at the top alongside Dickwella.
7 Brendan Taylor - suffering from the team and the board he plays for. Plus is nearing the end of his career. Was half of the Zimbabwe team from 2007-15. Hugely under rated.
8. Sarfraz - well unreliable and irresponsible with the bat in the middle order and limited power hitting ability in the lower order. but will still go down as one of our country's best wicketkeeper batters of all time.
9 - Tom Latham - Yes one of the best test openers in the world atm, but a middling LOI bat. But is still serviceable. I would think Phillips would takeover from his in a year or two.
10 - Ikram Alikhil - raw and too small a sample size to judge.

As the WC has ended, I think there will be someone new in the Indian team as the keeper. So Indian team's keeper is unrated. Dhoni 2005-15 was either the best or the second best wicketkeeper bat of all time. Hands down.
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If you do rank Dhoni he’d be high on the list. And Afg’s regular keeper is Shehzad who is a much better batsman than Sarf. So Sarfaraz is the worst keeper batsman in international cricket right now. Also happens to be Pak’s captain.
 
If we go by ICC rankings for ODI batsmen

QDK 9
Hope 13
Butler 19
Mushfiq 19
Dhoni 24
Carey 34
Latham 37
Dickwella 42
Specialist Captain 51

My heart bleeds when Pak cricket fans support sarfaraz. Can’t they see?
 
I think there comes a time when people become so rigid and tied to their views that they attach their egos to them. So essentially they see changing their views in light of new information as some sort of failure or defeat. The same is the case I think here with Sarfaraz fans because all evidence suggests his mediocrity. I don’t even want to say anything about his lack of personality.
 
Butler is the biggest match winner among est the WK.

After that I would place D Kock and Shai Hope .
 
To be perfectly honest the cricket world has massively improved on w/k batsmen.

I mean if you look back at most w/k batsmen of 80s, 90s, they would struggle to beat the current lot. I can only think of Sangakarra and Gilchrist.

We really need to give Rizwan more exposure. Even if he does not end up being our first choice, he would not be a bad backup to have.
 
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gazza619 said:
To be perfectly honest the cricket world has massively improved on w/k batsmen.

I mean if you look back at most w/k batsmen of 80s, 90s, they would struggle to beat the current lot. I can only think of Sangakarra and Gilchrist.

We really need to give Rizwan more exposure. Even if he does not end up being our first choice, he would not be a bad backup to have.
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Who do you make the captain if Rizwan replaces Sarfaraz?
 
gazza619 said:
I would make Imad Wasim captain for ODIs/T20s
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Sarfaraz has won U-19 WC, Champions trophy and a 22-3 winning record in T20.

Sarfaraz has a batting average of 43.48 and S/R of 89.36 in 38 ODIs when he batted position 5 or above.


What has Imad done to deserve the captaincy in ODI/T20s? Captaincy wise or player wise - except last couples of games in the WC?


He was dropped for 28 ODIs during his 52 ODI career. Does not even belong in the team.



gazza619 said:
and Azhar Ali for tests.
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Azhar Ali has captained in only one test which we lost. He has a 2-15 losing record vs Aus/ENG/NZ/BD in ODIs. One of the worst captains to ever lead Pakistan.


gazza619 said:
Babar Azam as deputy for all formats.
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Babar Azam is not a captaincy material at all. I would not even think about making him captain and impact his batting. He will worst captain than Sachin.
 
India: MS Dhoni - During peak, was the best out of the lot. One of the worst with the bat now - keeping still up there
Pakistan: Sarfraz Ahmed - terrible with the bat, not bad not not great with the gloves. Pak needs someone new behind the stumps;
England: Jos Buttler - top bloke with both bat and keeping. Very athletic;
Australia: Tim Paine - haven't seem much of him so can't comment;
South Africa: Quinton de Kock - probably the numero uno right now with both bat/gloves;
West Indies: Shai Hope- not bad with the bat (too slow for my liking). Ok keeper;
Afghanistan: Mohammad Shahzad - would never get into any playing X1 outside of afg as a keeper or a batsmen. Rides on luck too much with the bad. Needs to reduce that tubby
Sri Lanka: Dickwella - was quite impressed with him during this wc. Exceeded my expectation with the gloves. On form, pretty good with the bat aswell.
Bangladesh: Mushfiqur Rahim - Terrible keeper. Cost them the match vs NZ. Probably second best with the bat (who is a keeper currently)
NZ: Latham - I actually enjoy his batting so am being biased here. Good with bat/not bad with the gloves
Zimbabwe: Taylor - i haven't seen him play for a long long time but from what i remembered, he was a good batsmen. Ok'ish keeper
 
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Obaidd said:
If you do rank Dhoni he’d be high on the list. And Afg’s regular keeper is Shehzad who is a much better batsman than Sarf. So Sarfaraz is the worst keeper batsman in international cricket right now. Also happens to be Pak’s captain.
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Shahzad is no longer Afghanistan's first choice wicketkeeper. With him going so much against their board, it's hard to see him back so soon.
 
gazza619 said:
To be perfectly honest the cricket world has massively improved on w/k batsmen.

I mean if you look back at most w/k batsmen of 80s, 90s, they would struggle to beat the current lot. I can only think of Sangakarra and Gilchrist.

We really need to give Rizwan more exposure. Even if he does not end up being our first choice, he would not be a bad backup to have.
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You're forgetting Alec Stewart, Andy Flower and Mark Boucher from 90s lot.
And yes, Rizwan has a higher ceiling than Sarfraz and definitely needs more exposure.
 
2.5 years on some of the keepers on the original list have retired/been dropped.

The current first choice ODI keepers at the moment are:


India: KL Rahul;
Pakistan: Rizwan;
England: Jos Buttler;
Australia: Carey;
South Africa: Quinton de Kock;
West Indies: Shai Hope;
Afghanistan: Alikhil?
Sri Lanka: Kushal Perera;
Bangladesh: Mushfiqur Rahim;
NZ: Latham;
Zimbabwe: Taylor.
 
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