How do you rate innings where batsmen have been dropped?

[CricFan2012]

How do you rate innings such as the famous one of Tendulkar vs Pakistan in 2011 semi finals. He was dropped 4-5 times and amassed an 80 odd score.

Most recently Azhar Ali's innings where he was dropped at 30-40 but scored a 130.

Should these kind of fluke innings be rated on the same page compared to innings where the batsman was never dropped?

I'm speaking about easy drops here.

 

[Mamoon]

Undermining innings due to drops opens a can of worms.

You have to dissect every good innings played by every batsman and see if there were any chances or not, which is not possible.

Over a long career, these things even out. Sometimes, your catch will be dropped while on other occasions, you will get out to a brilliant catch that the fielder would drop 8/10 times, or get out to an almost unplayable delivery.

Chanceless innings are very rare. Almost all great innings have an element of luck, but it's part of the game.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Do people have any idea about the concentration required to face a quality seam attack in overcast conditions for the whole day. Nearly impossible to play a chance-less innings in such conditions. Azhar batted his tail off.

 

[aloo paratha]

You ride your luck as a batsmen or even bowler in that case. You're not always gonna have a flawless innings and you'll have a lapse of concentration or make a mistake which costs you your wicket. We can't go counting on everyones innings how many times they were dropped.

 

[Hasan123]

As long as we win the series, I don't care if batters get another life or bowlers get lucky as long as we win the series.

 

[Pete Rose]

The law of averages means you should rate them as good innings

 

[LowKiiSavage]

It lowers the quality of the innings for me. I rate Sami's innings higher than Azhar's. However, i must add that both innings were superb and thoroughly enjoyed their batting. However, my point stands that Azhar got 2 lives whereas Sami got out on an idiotic run out. Poor guy deserved better.

 

[Ab Fan]

Quality wise the value of knock is reduced but there are several other factors to be considered.

I would pick Azhar knock over Sami today although one should give full credit to Sami too for his knock.

 

[Usman]

Undermining innings due to drops opens a can of worms.

You have to dissect every good innings played by every batsman and see if there were any chances or not, which is not possible.

Over a long career, these things even out. Sometimes, your catch will be dropped while on other occasions, you will get out to a brilliant catch that the fielder would drop 8/10 times, or get out to an almost unplayable delivery.

Chanceless innings are very rare. Almost all great innings have an element of luck, but it's part of the game.

Hit the nail on the head right there in reply one. Thread closed.

Some of the best innings in test cricket have come after dropped chances. The important thing is that if you are dropped, you make the most of it. Too often than not Hafeez and co waste drop chances by getting out in a ridiculous way shortly after the drop.

There have even been entire careers which have been changed by just one drop. Go back to 2010, Pakistan tour of Australia, the entrie world thought Ponting was on his last legs, like everyone is thinking of Younus right now. Aussie commentators were saying look he's a legend and must now be given a graceful exit from the game. In probably the most important innings of Ponting's career, Asif charges in and bowls a beautiful bouncer which is skied by Ponting whilst he's on 0. The world's easiest catch makes its way to Mohammed Amir on the hook. Amir shells it. Ponting goes on to make a daddy hundred and saves his career for years to come.

Point is that when boys are given chances, they don't use them. When men are given chances, they use them to show the world what they're made of. When you're in a poor run of form, you need that one drop often to go your way to bring yourself back into form. You cannot devalue an innings simply because of a drop.

 

[#GreenRoars]

Part of game, so it should not take away any credibility from any batsman.

 

[msb314]

Many great innings have had dropped catches - its part of the game

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Very simple.

Quality innings will be hailed regardless of drops.

Crappy innings will not be even if its chanceless.

Tendulkar's 2011 innings was good for India from a results point of view but wasn't a quality innings. His 98 in 2003 WC was a supremely quality one even though Razzaq dropped him.

If we stop rating innings where batsmen were dropped, then one of the GREATEST EVER knocks wouldn't be hailed so high - Lara's 153 where I heard he got quite a few chances.

 

[Belawal2014]

Undermining innings due to drops opens a can of worms.

You have to dissect every good innings played by every batsman and see if there were any chances or not, which is not possible.

Over a long career, these things even out. Sometimes, your catch will be dropped while on other occasions, you will get out to a brilliant catch that the fielder would drop 8/10 times, or get out to an almost unplayable delivery.

Chanceless innings are very rare. Almost all great innings have an element of luck, but it's part of the game.

Explained it much better than I ever could have.

 

[Slog]

It depends more on how the batsmen is playing generally and whether he looks in control

Ive seen innings where the batsman is all over the place but hasnt given any big chance till he got out

And ive seen innings of high quality with exquisite shots where the batsmen actually did ride his luck on a few occasions and chances the opposition should have taken easily went begging.

 

[Finisher]

What about missed stumpings and missed run outs.

 

[Slog]

Hit the nail on the head right there in reply one. Thread closed.

Some of the best innings in test cricket have come after dropped chances. The important thing is that if you are dropped, you make the most of it. Too often than not Hafeez and co waste drop chances by getting out in a ridiculous way shortly after the drop.

There have even been entire careers which have been changed by just one drop. Go back to 2010, Pakistan tour of Australia, the entrie world thought Ponting was on his last legs, like everyone is thinking of Younus right now. Aussie commentators were saying look he's a legend and must now be given a graceful exit from the game. In probably the most important innings of Ponting's career, Asif charges in and bowls a beautiful bouncer which is skied by Ponting whilst he's on 0. The world's easiest catch makes its way to Mohammed Amir on the hook. Amir shells it. Ponting goes on to make a daddy hundred and saves his career for years to come.

Point is that when boys are given chances, they don't use them. When men are given chances, they use them to show the world what they're made of. When you're in a poor run of form, you need that one drop often to go your way to bring yourself back into form. You cannot devalue an innings simply because of a drop.

tbf there was absolutely no chance Pointing would have been dropped from squad at that time but i get your point. Good post

 

[hadi123]

It's impossible to play any innings, even in UAE without offering a single chance, you need to capitalize on them and just make runs which Azhar Ali done, can't take credit from him cos he was dropped twice, he deserves all the praise he is getting

 

[CricFan2012]

Actually watching the match gives you a bigger perspective compared to looking at scorecards.

I find it odd that people will applaud innings where batsmen should have clearly been out but because of the fault of the fielder they will go on to score more runs.

Imam, Hafeez, Imad, were all dropped by the South African fielders, and they contributed to Pakistan's high score last game.

Now, if the South Africans caught normally then we would be looking at around 250, and people will be complaining about seniors like Hafeez, about Imad's role in the team, about Imam's slow batting, etc.

I think every cricket fan needs to have this perspective, we need to analyze the game by removing luck as much as possible.

No need to praise these lucky, scratchy, and fluke innings.

 

[Hasan123]

Drop catches are a part of cricket. Imo it shouldn't be used to downplay a innings.

 

[CricFan2012]

Drop catches are a part of cricket. Imo it shouldn't be used to downplay a innings.

Sachin scores 80 odd with 5 dropped catches, one cannot simply go about it like it's a great semi final innings..

And then there's the catches that are so easy. It truly takes the shine away from an innings.

 

[Hasan123]

Sachin scores 80 odd with 5 dropped catches, one cannot simply go about it like it's a great semi final innings..

And then there's the catches that are so easy. It truly takes the shine away from an innings.

Batsmen can only score runs. They can't control if they get dropped.