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How do they keep producing such incredible batting talent.

Any other team chasing 245 would've lost the game by now.

Game of the week for me, been following it from the start. Maybe it's the Flo.Rida pitch.
 
Suleiman said:
How do they keep producing such incredible batting talent.

Any other team chasing 245 would've lost the game by now.

Game of the week for me, been following it from the start. Maybe it's the Flo.Rida pitch.
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nice jinx. worked. rohit gone. there goes the game for india.
 
No jinx thread, Kohli then now KL Rahul, all class players.

Can score quickly without slogging, have to respect that.
 
Rohit Sharma is as good a LOI batsman as Kohli.

That's why he should be persisted in tests. He is too good a player to not come good eventually in that format too.
 
KL RAHUL KL RAHUL, REMEMBER THE NAME.

Have backed this kid since the start even when he got a duck in his first intentional.

Lighting the stadium with pure :AAG atm. :gayle
 
This is incredible. 33 needed from the last 3 overs. India got to be the favourites from here.
 
Incredible game. Everybody is a winner, because both played incredibly incredibly well.

Would willingly trade KL Rahul for Sarfraz Ahmed as former is a good keeper too. :gayle
 
KL Rahul is a super star.

India almost chased this batting with 3 batsmen (Rohit, Kohli and Lokesh).

Dhoni was good at first but couldn't bring out the big shots in the end cos he is over the hill these days.

Future holds great once we get the lineup sorted.
 
ethan hunt said:
Westindies beating india in a batting shootout is impressive.
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WI can beat any team in a batting shootout. They have strong players who swing hard and hit a lot of sixes. Remember the end of the T20 WC?

They however cannot win Tests or even ODIs as they cannot last long enough. Their opponents may not be able to match their score in 20 overs, but they can in 50 overs or 5 days.
 
Fair do's to get 244 chasing 246. Most other teams would have crumbled to 100 all out under scoreboard pressure. India made a game of it, so full credit to their batsmen.

Yeah you can say Dhoni choked but ultimately if it weren't for that terrible Binny over India would have won with ease.
 
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cricketpatzer said:
WI can beat any team in a batting shootout. They have strong players who swing hard and hit a lot of sixes. Remember the end of the T20 WC?

They however cannot win Tests or even ODIs as they cannot last long enough. Their opponents may not be able to match their score in 20 overs, but they can in 50 overs or 5 days.
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Yes in t20s on flat wickets .
They have an advantage over others with their power.
 
Pantani said:
Fair do's to get 244 chasing 246. Most other teams would have crumbled to 100 all out under scoreboard pressure. India made a game of it, so full credit to their batsmen.
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I agree, however they should have got the 8 runs they needed in the last 2 overs. Bravo did very well for WI, conceding only 15 runs in his last 2 overs, that won WI the game.
 
cricketpatzer said:
I agree, however they should have got the 8 runs they needed in the last 2 overs. Bravo did very well for WI, conceding only 15 runs in his last 2 overs, that won WI the game.
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Strange that they tried to get the last 8 runs in singles and twos instead of swinging from the hip.
 
Leave Dhoni.

When you have duds like Rahane, Binny and Jaddu masquerading as batmen in T20, you ain't gonna win much.

First job is to get all of them out along with Dhoni (Jaddu plays as a bowler with a AR coming in).

Bring in other explosive bats to complement the Big 3 (Rohit, Rahul and Kohli).
 
Pantani said:
Strange that they tried to get the last 8 runs in singles and twos instead of swinging from the hip.
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Yes, the boundaries suddenly disappeared in the last over. Anyway, great effort by India and credit to Bravo for some fantastic bowling at the very end.

All teams need to figure out how to control the WI swinging if they want to win T20s against them. The new WI strategy is to swing hard, and as it is only a 20 over game they don't mind losing wickets. They usually lose more wickets than their opponents, but also score more runs doing so.


(I of course meant to say 8 runs in the last over, not last 2 overs.)
 
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Those who criticize and mock the IPL. Look at what it has done to India's ODI and T-20 fortunes.
 
Rahul already got better stats than Kohli in all formats after same number of games. Serious talent and perhaps a touch better bat than Kohli.

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sensible-indian-fan said:
Rahul has been making a mockery of all Indian batsmen for over a month now.
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Yes but if it was Kohli on other side today in similar situation ,we would had crossed the line for sure even if Dhoni was here,Rahul needs to be "that" one instead of not being aware as to what is happening with Dhoni's last over gimmicks.
 
AlphaFighter said:
Those who criticize and mock the IPL. Look at what it has done to India's ODI and T-20 fortunes.
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It has brought us Rahane, Binny and Jaddu as batsmen for T20.

A while back, we had Dhawan too. For T20s.

:)))

Seriously though, IPL is cool but India selects the wrong teams for wrong formats. lol.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Rahul already got better stats than Kohli in all formats after same number of games. Serious talent and perhaps a touch better bat than Kohli.

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Sir that is the worst criteria for measuring a batsman ,there are various thread similarly comparing played in such circumstances,it never works out.

He is a good talent irrespective of his comparison.
 
Why people hating on Dhoni. These same people defend Misbah tooth and nail who is 10x worst in LOIs.

Dhoni played a solid knock today and gave Lahul confidence.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Rahul already got better stats than Kohli in all formats after same number of games. Serious talent and perhaps a touch better bat than Kohli.

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Clearly more talented than Kohli but Kohli has some outstanding innings already in his CV. Rahul needs to achieve a lot to even compare. Kohli's mental strength puts him ahead of all other cricketers in the world. Dude is a beast..
 
Bunny would struggle to be selected in domestic sides in Bangladesh. And i am not kidding.
 
Go easy on MS Indian fans...he has done enough in his career. Agreed he has detoriated and need to rethink his career. But lets not put all blame on him.

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JaDed said:
Yes but if it was Kohli on other side today in similar situation ,we would had crossed the line for sure even if Dhoni was here,Rahul needs to be "that" one instead of not being aware as to what is happening with Dhoni's last over gimmicks.
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He was struggling for a while and was tired.

Hard to judge what he is in such situations in such a limited sample set.

Kohli is a GOAT in such situations but what happened to Rahul is fine. Remember, he struck those hits in the penultimate over to get the total this close and made it just 8 runs off 6 balls before Dhoni got strike.
 
street cricketer said:
I feel sorry for Dhoni:sree

Please retire yaar!
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Had he hit that over Samuels head you'd be singing his praises. These type of things happen in cricket. 43 runs off 25 balls is no mean feat. I think he paced his innings perfectly with the exception of the last over. Still a very valuable player for India.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
He was struggling for a while and was tired.

Hard to judge what he is in such situations in such a limited sample set.

Kohli is a GOAT in such situations but what happened to Rahul is fine. Remember, he struck those hits in the penultimate over to get the total this close and made it just 8 runs off 6 balls before Dhoni got strike.
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Yes should give him the benefit of the doubt, hopefully he realizes winning is everything from next time.
 
Suleiman said:
How do they keep producing such incredible batting talent.

Any other team chasing 245 would've lost the game by now.

Game of the week for me, been following it from the start. Maybe it's the Flo.Rida pitch.
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England have adapter, so have WI, NZ, Australia, SAF even WI and Bangladesh!

It is us Pakistanis who are far behind in everything.

Another pathetic display - want to see only batsman and all-rounders in our next game.
 
Executioner said:
Bunny would struggle to be selected in domestic sides in Bangladesh. And i am not kidding.
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We will not even keep him for carrying drinks in our mohalla matches.
GOD know why the selector keeps him selecting over and over again.
We have soo many better players currently playing in domestic and India A matches
 
Sandeep said:
Clearly more talented than Kohli but Kohli has some outstanding innings already in his CV. Rahul needs to achieve a lot to even compare. Kohli's mental strength puts him ahead of all other cricketers in the world. Dude is a beast..
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Then how in the blue Hell is KL a better talent than Kohli? :facepalm
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Go easy on MS Indian fans...he has done enough in his career. Agreed he has detoriated and need to rethink his career. But lets not put all blame on him.

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Agree, Dhoni has done a lot and we shouldn't expect him to succeed every single time. I would still want him in when the last over is bowled.
 
Sandeep said:
I found Rahul's timing and shots crispier than Kohli's..
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:))) Ok so let me get this straight.

"Kohli has some outstanding innings already in his CV. Rahul needs to achieve a lot to even compare. Kohli's mental strength puts him ahead of all other cricketers in the world. Dude is a beast."

Kohli is everything, but hey hey Rahul's timing and shots are crispier so Rahul is more talented even though he hasn't achieved any of the former as posted above, great logic Kid.
 
India needs another batsman and an All Rounder in the range of Stokes or Anderson or Plunkett or Russel etc.

Ashwin is awesome as an all rounder in Tests. He is just a bowler in T20's. Can't hit big shots.
 
JaDed said:
Yes should give him the benefit of the doubt, hopefully he realizes winning is everything from next time.
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A bit harsh on Rahul. When you have someone like Dhoni at other side, you'll trust his instinct.

Kohli doesn't because he knows Dhoni very well.
 
Itachi said:
A bit harsh on Rahul. When you have someone like Dhoni at other side, you'll trust his instinct.

Kohli doesn't because he knows Dhoni very well.
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That's the point i was trying to make,game awareness and win at all cost ,Karnataka batsmen will do good to instill that in them.They are great talent but victory is important.
 
LegendAli said:
:))) Ok so let me get this straight.

"Kohli has some outstanding innings already in his CV. Rahul needs to achieve a lot to even compare. Kohli's mental strength puts him ahead of all other cricketers in the world. Dude is a beast."

Kohli is everything, but hey hey Rahul's timing and shots are crispier so Rahul is more talented even though he hasn't achieved any of the former as posted above, great logic Kid.
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Yep, what is wrong in my statement. And listen, Rohit Sharma also plays better strokes than Kohli. But that doesn't make Rohit the best batsman in the team. Kohli, with his lesser range of strokes, maximizes his effectiveness and impact.
 
I am going to copy paste my post from the other thread(BabarAzam vs Lokesh Rahul)


Fahdi said:
Rahul ahead here. Babar is not lacking in ability, from what I have seen he is just as capable a batsman if not even more capable.

India are just much too far ahead when it comes to grooming players. They have the IPL which exposes youngsters to international players and teaches them most of what they need to learn for limited overs cricket which is basically batting fast and batting long. They have a strong school cricket system. Their national team has great mentors in MS Dhoni and Kohli. They mostly have a strong and settled team so they can come in with more confidence with the knowledge that they have experienced pros in their team to take responsibility.

Honestly their is very little chance of a Pakistani batsman with equal ability to an Indian batsman to do better in LOIs. Pakistani batsmen come in to a weak team from a very weak domestic structure and don't get many great mentors. Our 'seniors' don't properly know how to bat in LOIs themselves hence can't possibly teach youngsters. Babar has come in to our side and is already looking like our best batsman, he is being forced to step and do the scoring whereas the 'seniors' are disapointments. Conversely when Virat Kohli came into the Indian team they had Tendulker, Dhoni, Sehwag and Gambhir. He came in and was able to establish himself under their mentorship and guidance where responsibility lied with the seniors not the junior prospect. Our youngsters on the other hand come in the team being told,"We're doomed and you are probably our last hope, do remember that if you fail to perform the seniors can't be dropped so....". Give Babar over to India and he will most likely eventually develop into one of the finest young batsmen in world cricket.

That is not to say that Babar can't defy all odds and outdo his Indian contemporary. I wish and hope he fulfills his potential and goes on to become one of the finest players in the world. Maybe he can go on to change the tradition of Pak batting and become the pillar around which we establish a strong batting line up.

Hopefully though this tradition will break in the Test side. The transition should be smooth with youngsters coming in to replace Younis and Misbah when they retire and Asad and Azhar and hopefully Insha Allah Sami will take charge.
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It's not just finding great talent it's grooming it and getting their best out of them. I have seen plenty of Pakistani batsmen with great talent and potential. Umar Akmal, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail are all very capable batsmen. Their was also a Nasir Jamshed.
 
Fahdi said:
I am going to copy paste my post from the other thread(BabarAzam vs Lokesh Rahul)




It's not just finding great talent it's grooming it and getting their best out of them. I have seen plenty of Pakistani batsmen with great talent and potential. Umar Akmal, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail are all very capable batsmen. Their was also a Nasir Jamshed.
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I agree grooming is important , but you can only groom those who want to be groomed. You cannot advice players who are filled with attitude.

I remember greg Chappel once was asked , how do you you think you are going to motivate the players. He said " If playing for your country does not motivate and inspire you , nothing else can "
 
we didn't deserve the win tbh, glad it exposed a lot of things. our bowling is the worst
 
Sandeep said:
Yep, what is wrong in my statement. And listen, Rohit Sharma also plays better strokes than Kohli. But that doesn't make Rohit the best batsman in the team. Kohli, with his lesser range of strokes, maximizes his effectiveness and impact.
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Kohli's ability to find gaps at will and convert singles into doubles to keep scoreboard ticking sets him apart from
His contemporaries..
 
msb314 said:
England have adapter, so have WI, NZ, Australia, SAF even WI and Bangladesh!

It is us Pakistanis who are far behind in everything.

Another pathetic display - want to see only batsman and all-rounders in our next game.
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Haha right. It will take 4 more years for us to realize. Till then we will persist with limited batsmen like Sarfraz, Azhar, and sad to say, Shobster who was a beast in his prime time but his time has come.
 
Because they are not playing against pakistan we will destroy their talents :akhtar
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
It has brought us Rahane, Binny and Jaddu as batsmen for T20.

A while back, we had Dhawan too. For T20s.

:)))

Seriously though, IPL is cool but India selects the wrong teams for wrong formats. lol.
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Somebody on cricinfo commentary made the interesting point that India don't seem to learn from the IPL.

Based on IPL form:

- Virat Kohli performs best at opener
- Suresh Raina performs best at 3

So why do they never bat in those positions for India in T20Is?

Rohit
Kohli
Raina
Rahul
*generic middle order slogger*
Dhoni
*an allrounder*
Jadeja
Ashwin
Nehra
Bumrah

This side would be vastly stronger than the current Indian team.
 
On what basis are people saying Rahul is more talented than kohli?

Kohli, even in his U19 days had the best wrist work I had ever seen. Both are the same while timing the ball, rahul played one brilliant innings today, kohli did stuff like this throughout this season of IPL.
 
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I mean similar type of pitches , similar coaching system , similar nepotism and corruption plus we have the luxury of batter fast bowlers than at youth and domestic level so why our young batter never develops in to something good? What's the actual reason? is it the aggression and rush of blood and lack of patience or lack of reflexes and just not bothering about batting much in younger generation and instead they all want to become a fast bowler? I don't know the exact reason.
Discuss
 
It's myth that Pakistan have better fast bowlers in domestic cricket than india .

Pakistan main problem is that they hype their player's if they perform in just one and two game instead playing them atleast 2 session in domestic cricket .

They needs to groom's well before introduce in international cricket .also Pakistan needs to improve the quality of domestic system so player's can compete at top level.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
I mean similar type of pitches , similar coaching system , similar nepotism and corruption plus we have the luxury of batter fast bowlers than at youth and domestic level so why our young batter never develops in to something good? What's the actual reason? is it the aggression and rush of blood and lack of patience or lack of reflexes and just not bothering about batting much in younger generation and instead they all want to become a fast bowler? I don't know the exact reason.
Discuss
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I am assuming you meant better fast bowlers there.

Your assumptions highlighted in bold seems wrong to me. Pitches and coaching system are not similar.

I am not familiar with pacers in domestic/young level but I highly doubt that they are better otherwise we would have seen some of them in international level.
 
Buffet said:
I am assuming you meant better fast bowlers there.

Your assumptions highlighted in bold seems wrong to me. Pitches and coaching system are not similar.

I am not familiar with pacers in domestic/young level but I highly doubt that they are better otherwise we would have seen some of them in international level.
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India doesn't have the luxury of 2 dozen 140k+ bowlers in their domestic system , their bowlers in most domestic teams operates around 120-130k range with few of them managing 135k+ (you can watch duleep trophy highlights on youtube) yes they have around 10 bowlers who are capable of hitting 140k+ (including the national team bowlers) but in Pak domestic circuit even at U19 league cricket they have bowlers bowling around 127-135k in every U19 team. You can see PJL which was basically U17 league and had all bowlers bowling around 127-133k which is indeed a luxury.
 
Can't say much about pitches , may be the Indian ones turns more? But coaching at Junior and domestic level is similar , same old coaches who are lazy and takes money to select players. May be the MRF academy and other HPCs in India have better coaching facilities and that's about it.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
India doesn't have the luxury of 2 dozen 140k+ bowlers in their domestic system , their bowlers in most domestic teams operates around 120-130k range with few of them managing 135k+ (you can watch duleep trophy highlights on youtube) yes they have around 10 bowlers who are capable of hitting 140k+ (including the national team bowlers) but in Pak domestic circuit even at U19 league cricket they have bowlers bowling around 127-135k in every U19 team. You can see PJL which was basically U17 league and had all bowlers bowling around 127-133k which is indeed a luxury.
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Lol can't buy this when all you have is 130ish bowlers in the national team!
 
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