How does Pakistan has better head to head record vs all asian teams?

[Aqib_mustafa]

I mean you look at pakistan record i find it bit shocking even pakistan being in their worst era their record vs asian teams stand tall i dont remember last sri lanka beat pakistan in odis series is pakistan still viewed as the best asian team?

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan were a top 3 team in the 1980's and 1990's. They dominated all Asian sides during that period.

Even in 2000's, Pakistan did great (beat India in 2004 CT, 2008 Asia Cup, 2009 CT, and won 4-2 in India).

 

[Rajdeep]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pakistan has better record than India due to not playing India enough in last 15 years. Last 15 years saw the rise of greats like Kohli, Bumrah, Rohit and this is where India leapfrogged Pakistan as a cricket nation.

They have better record than Sri Lanka because like Pakistan, even Sri Lanka have gone through severe downfall in the last 10 years.

Aside of these three teams, BD have historically been minnows and have barely become slightly more decent in last decade.

Asian cricket peaked between 1995-2014 when all three teams were competitive but post that, it has only been India dominating cricket.

 

[Vikram1989]

I think this is typical of pak. They will relish when individual brilliance is the key parameter till late 90's even now sometimes like Arshad . they will crumble if you include latest trends like methodical approach, data analysis, fitness, professional attitude. Same thing happened for squash, hockey too. India (in all sports) too suffered with similar problems but was lucky to get back with modern approach.

 

[mominsaigol]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

How was cricket an amateur sport in the 90's .

 

[sweep_shot]

How was cricket an amateur sport in the 90's .

90's cricket was very competitive.

Of course sanghis downplay 90's cricket because India was a garbage team back then. They are bitter about it I guess.

 

[mominsaigol]

90's cricket was very competitive.

Of course sanghis downplay 90's cricket because India was a garbage team back then. They are bitter about it I guess.

Cricket has always been a tough sport. Their has never been an amateur era lol.

If anything the game became far far easier in modern times.

Bigger and heavier bats, Better curated pitches, the 2 new ball rule in odi allowing for 350+ totals, PP rules such as only 2 fielders allowed outside in 6 overs(t20) and 10 overs(odi)

The introduction of the whiteball in odi whereas it use to be played with red ball, tighter rules on wides. Now anything remotely down the legside is called a wide . Introduction of No ball with freehits etc etc.

@Rajdeep You're talking nonsense . Its far far easier now. We live in a world where hacks and people without techniques can thrive in certain areas of the game.

(SKY IN T20, pant in test, Ashwin, Sajid, noman and jadeja in test due to putch doctoring etc )

 

[sweep_shot]

Cricket has always been a tough sport. Their has never been an amateur era lol.

If anything the game became far far easier in modern times.

Bigger and heavier bats, Better curated pitches, the 2 new ball rule in odi allowing for 350+ totals, PP rules such as only 2 fielders allowed outside in 6 overs(t20) and 10 overs(odi)

The introduction of the whiteball in odi whereas it use to be played with red ball, tighter rules on wides. Now anything remotely down the legside is called a wide . Introduction of No ball with freehits etc etc.

@Rajdeep You're talking nonsense . Its far far easier now. We live in a world where hacks and people without techniques can thrive in certain areas of the game.

(SKY IN T20, pant in test, Ashwin, Sajid, noman and jadeja in test due to putch doctoring etc )

Agree.

I think modern day cricketers are quite pampered compared to players from 90's. In the 90's, players had to deal with insane sledgings, biased umpiring, lack of DRS etc.

 

[mominsaigol]

Agree.

I think modern day cricketers are quite pampered compared to players from 90's. In the 90's, players had to deal with insane sledgings, biased umpiring, lack of DRS etc.

Only test cricket has gotten harder/easier due to pitch curation.

In the past most pitches had a pattern of deterioration after 5 days but more or less it was a batting friendly test era hence the insane number of draws.

However even now it depends. South Africa curated a phatta for pakistan knowing full well PK cannot out bat Africa in test cricket, similarly Australia overdoes it on bilo bounce in ashes knowing full well Joe root is a bunny against bilo bounce.

In odi, its 100x easier. Theirs a reason why we went from the likes of Hayden, Ponting, Inzimam, Sachin, Lara, Chanderpaul, Damien Martyn to the likes of Harry Brooks, Travis Head, Rohit Sharma etc etc.

These guys have decent techniques but have a sloggish mentality. Rohit, Brooks and Head would be virtual no bodies in the one ball era and Kohli would be a top tier batsmen but he wouldn't be an ATG batsmen in the one ball era.

His weakness against the offstump line would have been exposed by mcgrath and many others.

Odi use to be the hardest format, it was basically a harder and shorter version of test cricket where you had a time limit to score runs. Now Odi is an extension of t20 cricket and is by far the easiest format to score runs in.

Theirs a reason the quality of batting has gone down the drain in both test cricket and odi cricket in this era.

 

[giri26]

Cricket has always been a tough sport. Their has never been an amateur era lol.

If anything the game became far far easier in modern times.

Bigger and heavier bats, Better curated pitches, the 2 new ball rule in odi allowing for 350+ totals, PP rules such as only 2 fielders allowed outside in 6 overs(t20) and 10 overs(odi)

The introduction of the whiteball in odi whereas it use to be played with red ball, tighter rules on wides. Now anything remotely down the legside is called a wide . Introduction of No ball with freehits etc etc.

@Rajdeep You're talking nonsense . Its far far easier now. We live in a world where hacks and people without techniques can thrive in certain areas of the game.

(SKY IN T20, pant in test, Ashwin, Sajid, noman and jadeja in test due to putch doctoring etc )

Amateur vs professional in cricket is different to other sports. In the 70's and 80's cricketers around the world did not take this as a professional sport and just played it for fun despite getting paid peanuts and playing less than 3 months a year. Lots of players had second jobs as well as there wasn't much cricket being played. Salaries were not high and so were match fees. The sport only turned professional in the 90's.

Also which era is difficult/easy depends on perspective. For example some might say, playing 3 formats and countless leagues and keeping yourself fit year after year is tougher than playing very less LOIs and few Tests a year.

Let's look at the 70's, in the entire decade Pakistan played only 46 Tests (This is an era where LOIs were still not very popular). India played 64 and the highest was by England which was 95. Pakistan played 20 ODIs, England played 46 ODIs. England who played most cricket in that decade just played 9.5 Tests a year and 5 ODIs a year. Hardly reflection of professional game. Yes cricket was played and was loved but for the players it was hardly a professional option in that decade. In the 80's it got better as there were lot more ODIs but still lots of players weren't making enough money to consider this as a profession. For example in the 80's Teams on an average played 3-10 Tests a year and 12-18 ODIs a year. Again not enough to consider cricket as a professional sport as if you take the top limit, it comes down to less than 3 months of cricket. English players had county and very few star Asian players got a chance and lots of WI players got a chance. Rest of the players had to fall back on other jobs. There were no player contracts and they did not get paid when they did not have cricket.

Lots of them played the game only for their enjoyment and satisfaction even though they were not getting paid enough and/or had to go to another profession during off season ergo amateur era.

The 90's changed it all with sponsorship, television etc, cricket moved towards professional era. why it is important? If cricketers don't think it is a profession for them, they don't have time to work on their fitness, game etc. If there is not much money they would be doing other stuff during their spare time instead of practice or fitness. When more money and professionalism started seeping into cricket in the 90's everything changed. More teams started getting better, players wanted to play cricket as there was more money involved etc.

When Jarrod Kimber speaks about amateur sport vs professional, that's what he is talking about. We have stories of former NZ test cricketers driving taxi or are insurance agents etc, that is because they had to do so as they could not consider cricket as a profession.

 

[Vikram1989]

Amateur vs professional in cricket is different to other sports. In the 70's and 80's cricketers around the world did not take this as a professional sport and just played it for fun despite getting paid peanuts and playing less than 3 months a year. Lots of players had second jobs as well as there wasn't much cricket being played.

Azhar used to be bank manager.John Wright worked as worker in a hard ware store in 93 before grabbing a kent coach contact. Chris Harris in 03 took career as medical rep.on top of it there was racism in county cricket. Ambrose played for Hampshire for 10 years but took less salary(20 percent)than warne on the pretext that warne bowls more overs.it was well written in his auto biography. Only sena and windies were professionals i believe till late 90s.Even then every one struggled with peanuts.Desmond Haynes in a cricinfo interview lamented that an ipl kind of income source may have brought the best for his house financially and he may have less worried about other stuff while playing.

 

[Vikram1989]

Azhar used to be bank manager.

steve waugh too wrote how tough for any young player to play in county cricket and live like a miser while not playing .

 

[sweep_shot]

Only test cricket has gotten harder/easier due to pitch curation.

In the past most pitches had a pattern of deterioration after 5 days but more or less it was a batting friendly test era hence the insane number of draws.

However even now it depends. South Africa curated a phatta for pakistan knowing full well PK cannot out bat Africa in test cricket, similarly Australia overdoes it on bilo bounce in ashes knowing full well Joe root is a bunny against bilo bounce.

In odi, its 100x easier. Theirs a reason why we went from the likes of Hayden, Ponting, Inzimam, Sachin, Lara, Chanderpaul, Damien Martyn to the likes of Harry Brooks, Travis Head, Rohit Sharma etc etc.

These guys have decent techniques but have a sloggish mentality. Rohit, Brooks and Head would be virtual no bodies in the one ball era and Kohli would be a top tier batsmen but he wouldn't be an ATG batsmen in the one ball era.

His weakness against the offstump line would have been exposed by mcgrath and many others.

Odi use to be the hardest format, it was basically a harder and shorter version of test cricket where you had a time limit to score runs. Now Odi is an extension of t20 cricket and is by far the easiest format to score runs in.

Theirs a reason the quality of batting has gone down the drain in both test cricket and odi cricket in this era.

Modern day cricket has turned into a big circus thanks to BCCICC. It stinks just like cow dung.

90's cricket was very classy and I feel honored to witness it as a kid.

Anyway, Indians downplay pre-2000 cricket because they were terrible then. It is a coping mechanism I guess.

Pakistan was a world class and exciting team in the 90's. They were particularly a heavyweight in ODI format (won 1 World Cup, reached 1 WC final, won ODI series in Australia etc.).

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

@mominsaigol Pants defensive technique is as good as it gets, there’s absolutely no reason to call him a hack, no hack has ever managed to average 40+ with the bat while keeping.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

How was cricket an amateur sport in the 90's .

Meaning it's become even more professional since the 90's.

You have to remember that the likes of England and New Zealand did not have central contracts until 1999 or so .

Fitness standards are far higher. You would never have guys like Ranatunga playing in the middle order in modern cricket.

The use of the sidearm and bowling machines meant that batsmen started playing high pace far better from the mid 2000's onwards.

There's massive difference between cricket played in the 90's and now.

 

[mominsaigol]

Meaning it's become even more professional since the 90's.

You have to remember that the likes of England and New Zealand did not have central contracts until 1999 or so .

Fitness standards are far higher. You would never have guys like Ranatunga playing in the middle order in modern cricket.

The use of the sidearm and bowling machines meant that batsmen started playing high pace far better from the mid 2000's onwards.

There's massive difference between cricket played in the 90's and now.

But you're also ignoring how much easier odi has gotten in general from a batting perspective.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol Pants defensive technique is as good as it gets, there’s absolutely no reason to call him a hack, no hack has ever managed to average 40+ with the bat while keeping.

Yes yes im sure when babar was avg 70 in the ramiz Raja era with Brooks avg 150+ in pakistan pre aqib doctoring and avg 100+ against spin you would have shared the same sentiment

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Yes yes im sure when babar was avg 70 in the ramiz Raja era with Brooks avg 150+ in pakistan pre aqib doctoring and avg 100+ against spin you would have shared the same sentiment

Bro whatever people might say about aqib one thing which he has done great which no one had any dare to do was dropping babar and rizwan from t20 team and he made it clear now in his press conference that pak will now look to make spin tracks with ball reversing as well he wants to see pakistan playing wtc final if he has to drop babar from test so be it he also said they will pick those players who are good at spin likes of saud and agha can help the youngers players on how to play spin really happy with the way aqib is doing his work loving it may it continue to be like this inshAllah.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

Yes yes im sure when babar was avg 70 in the ramiz Raja era with Brooks avg 150+ in pakistan pre aqib doctoring and avg 100+ against spin you would have shared the same sentiment

Bro and people still can't digest how pakistan has the wood over all asian teams lol at calling cricket back then soft cricket was the hardest back then just people need to admit why pak has the best asian team record because how good they were back then hopefully inshAllah aqib will make pakistan great asian team again really have high hopes from aqib.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro and people still can't digest how pakistan has the wood over all asian teams lol at calling cricket back then soft cricket was the hardest back then just people need to admit why pak has the best asian team record because how good they were back then hopefully inshAllah aqib will make pakistan great asian team again really have high hopes from aqib.

Imo you're giving too much credit to Aqib. Lets see what he does with test pitches though

 

[Nikhil_cric]

But you're also ignoring how much easier odi has gotten in general from a batting perspective.

That has to do with bat technology and better pitches also, I agree.

But there's no denying the role of the factors I mentioned above.

Until the 00's , only the Aussies were truly close to a professional side by today's standards.

 

[mominsaigol]

That has to do with bat technology and better pitches also, I agree.

But there's no denying the role of the factors I mentioned above.

Until the 00's , only the Aussies were truly close to a professional side by today's standards.

No my friend. Hard hard disagree.

Classic Aus isnt close to a professional side by today's standards, they are > Every side by today's standards.

They'd lose in t20 due to not being familiar with the format, but they'd crush every team in odi and test.

The only teams they would struggle with is India in odi but that is under stipulation that rohit, kohli are in prime and not their current washed selves and Bumrah has to be up and ready. Mcgrath + rest of bowling attack blows india out of the water.

Its much harder beating a lineup of Hayden, Ponting, Gilly, Martyn, Bevan etc etc then beating a lineup where Head is your ace and everyone else like labu, inglis etc etc are just okayish as batsmen.

The prime sa has kallis, Smith, Steyn, de villers etc.

90's is overall stronger with the exception of A few teams like india, England etc etc that is currently stronger.

90's Pakistan doesnt beat Current Pakistan because other teams improved lol. Its because even if the records are a bit inflates with bottle caps

The likes of waqar, Wasim, inzimam, Saeed Anwar, Yousaf, sohaib Akhtar are still leagues upon leagues >>>>>>>>>>> Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen etc etc.

 

[deltexas]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

Because Pak mein talent bahut hai

 

[Barragan]

Pak team was very strong in the 80's, 90's and even 2000's

In T20's this extends further to the late 2010's

Only recently Pak has become weak and that too in almost all formats

 

[Mesozoic]

You guys should thank GOI for that ..

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Yes yes im sure when babar was avg 70 in the ramiz Raja era with Brooks avg 150+ in pakistan pre aqib doctoring and avg 100+ against spin you would have shared the same sentiment

Babars test batting impact doesn’t compare with Pant. He has shown consistency and has been our best player for some time even on the burners at home.

 

[mominsaigol]

Babars test batting impact doesn’t compare with Pant. He has shown consistency and has been our best player for some time even on the burners at home.

Idrc how he performs at home in the same way i dont care how babar performs away.

I watched vs NZ, BGT, watched some of his performances in England as well as that series in NZ.

Crap batting, another overhyped batsmen alongside jaiswal.

So far Gill has shown to be a solid investment but only in odi not in test and the current t20 crop of batters india has are worldclass and fantastic. The likes of sanju have made their mark in t20.

Pant is a brainless hack surviving due to pitch curation.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Idrc how he performs at home in the same way i dont care how babar performs away.

I watched vs NZ, BGT, watched some of his performances in England as well as that series in NZ.

Crap batting, another overhyped batsmen alongside jaiswal.

So far Gill has shown to be a solid investment but only in odi not in test and the current t20 crop of batters india has are worldclass and fantastic. The likes of sanju have made their mark in t20.

Pant is a brainless hack surviving due to pitch curation.

Whether you care or not doesn’t really matter.

His test stats and impact are a testament to his ability, also please use your brain while talking to me, Pant was the highest run scorer in that series vs Nz from either side so even if you are considering that series how did you come up with such a bogus statement.

What pitch curation? Lol
He has performed on Indian burners and has two centuries in Eng, one is Sa and one in Aus with two amazing 80+ series winning knocks, he is papa of Travis Head in test cricket.

You are so clueless about cricket, please start watching some ither sports, cricket is too difficult for you.

 

[shaz619]

How was cricket an amateur sport in the 90's .

I’ve been saying for years Sachin Tendulkar is an amateur and now Indians agree to

 

[mominsaigol]

Whether you care or not doesn’t really matter.

His test stats and impact are a testament to his ability, also please use your brain while talking to me, Pant was the highest run scorer in that series vs Nz from either side so even if you are considering that series how did you come up with such a bogus statement.

What pitch curation? Lol
He has performed on Indian burners and has two centuries in Eng, one is Sa and one in Aus with two amazing 80+ series winning knocks, he is papa of Travis Head in test cricket.

You are so clueless about cricket, please start watching some ither sports, cricket is too difficult for you.

He averages 15 in New Zealand smh. Not the nz vs India series at home. Sorry if I misphrased but ive made it clear idc how he performs at home in the same way I dont care what labu does in his own den or what laxman did in his own garden.

Head was the highest scorer of BGT, but i dont raye head at a test batsmen. However i rate Head as an all format impact batsmen.

Kohli is the only all format player who was solid in all formats before his test decline but hes an outlier and to an extent KP as well. The other goat all format players Ab, Warner, Gayle, all had one format where they were mediocre in.

Avg 42, being a home den bully + Helping his country win wtc, Wc 2023(with the weakest aussie team to ever win a cup btw) is good enough to go down in the history books while Mr Pant a test only specialist doesn't even average 50 in test. He averages 42 and is a clown in England, NZ and parts of sena. Only been somewhat decent in Australia.

And his 42 avg is inflates due to avg 55 on curated tailored made indian tracks .

And don't call pant an all format star. Hes dog doo in odi and t20 and not even a front line keeper in that format. He's a test only 42 averaging specialists.

Head will be remembered as the guy who won 2 trophies for Australia while Pant won't be remembered by anyone except you.

Sidu isnt remembered either. I had to Google who he was when you first mentioned him, that is how forgettable he is. Pant won't be either, 30 years from now he'll be one of those random scorecard gems who happened to play for india under rohit and kohli, 2 players who will be remembered

 

[Sachin fan]

Yes yes im sure when babar was avg 70 in the ramiz Raja era with Brooks avg 150+ in pakistan pre aqib doctoring and avg 100+ against spin you would have shared the same sentiment

That has nothing to do with Pant. In all his great innings, he waited 50 or more balls before even attempting non traditional shots.

Hacks don't have 4 SENA 100s before turning 25 which is more than what many good batsmen achieve in their entire career

 

[mominsaigol]

That has nothing to do with Pant. In all his great innings, he waited 50 or more balls before even attempting non traditional shots.

Hacks don't have 4 SENA 100s before turning 25 which is more than what many good batsmen achieve in their entire career

He's a hack with temperament.

 

[Sachin fan]

He averages 15 in New Zealand smh. Not the nz vs India series at home. Sorry if I misphrased but ive made it clear idc how he performs at home in the same way I dont care what labu does in his own den or what laxman did in his own garden.

Head was the highest scorer of BGT, but i dont raye head at a test batsmen. However i rate Head as an all format impact batsmen.

Kohli is the only all format player who was solid in all formats before his test decline but hes an outlier and to an extent KP as well. The other goat all format players Ab, Warner, Gayle, all had one format where they were mediocre in.

Avg 42, being a home den bully + Helping his country win wtc, Wc 2023(with the weakest aussie team to ever win a cup btw) is good enough to go down in the history books while Mr Pant a test only specialist doesn't even average 50 in test. He averages 42 and is a clown in England, NZ and parts of sena. Only been somewhat decent in Australia.

And his 42 avg is inflates due to avg 55 on curated tailored made indian tracks .

And don't call pant an all format star. Hes dog doo in odi and t20 and not even a front line keeper in that format. He's a test only 42 averaging specialists.

Head will be remembered as the guy who won 2 trophies for Australia while Pant won't be remembered by anyone except you.

Sidu isnt remembered either. I had to Google who he was when you first mentioned him, that is how forgettable he is. Pant won't be either, 30 years from now he'll be one of those random scorecard gems who happened to play for india under rohit and kohli, 2 players who will be remembered

42 average for a wicketkeeper batsman is near all time great, only Gilchrist I believe averages more as a full time wicketkeeper, sangas average was similar when he was wicketkeeping.



Its baffling you are confusing wicket keeper batsmen with regular batsmen, no wicketkeeper batsman averages 50, not even Gilchrist

Are you subconsciously claiming Pant is better than Gilchrist so should have averaged more?

Also it's funny when it comes to Smith vs Sachin compared suddenly modern pitches are more difficult, but Pant who has 4 100s in SENA and averages 42 is supposed to average more than sanga and Gilchrist on modern pitches. Make up your mind dude.

Those are great figures for a wicket keeper batsmen.

 

[Sachin fan]

He's a hack with temperament.

Hacks don't have the great defensive technique he does. Often on pitches where Rohit, kohli and Aussies were struggling, no one could beat him when he played defensively, every time bat was behind the ball, dead batting. He only got beat when he tried some weird shot.

 

[Mamoon]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

What was the date on which cricket magically morphed into a professional sport?

Does this also mean that Gavaskar shouldn’t be viewed as a legendary Test batsman, since he was performing vs amateur level teams?

I’m sure he will not be impressed by your stupid, stupid, stupid! comment. He is already very grumpy these days.

 

[mominsaigol]

42 average for a wicketkeeper batsman is near all time great, only Gilchrist I believe averages more as a full time wicketkeeper, sangas average was similar when he was wicketkeeping.



Its baffling you are confusing wicket keeper batsmen with regular batsmen, no wicketkeeper batsman averages 50, not even Gilchrist

Are you subconsciously claiming Pant is better than Gilchrist so should have averaged more?

Also it's funny when it comes to Smith vs Sachin compared suddenly modern pitches are more difficult, but Pant who has 4 100s in SENA and averages 42 is supposed to average more than sanga and Gilchrist on modern pitches. Make up your mind dude.

Those are great figures for a wicket keeper batsmen.

When did I mention Sanga and Gilly? Clown avg in NZ and Eng are worthy of praise ?

 

[RidiculousMan]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

Does this indirectly proves India has always had less talent than Pakistan?

 

[mominsaigol]

Hacks don't have the great defensive technique he does. Often on pitches where Rohit, kohli and Aussies were struggling, no one could beat him when he played defensively, every time bat was behind the ball, dead batting. He only got beat when he tried some weird shot.

Those weird shots are hackish. He and Jaiswal are dissapointments. India's t20 unit + Gill in odi is the real deal.

India's test cricket is behind and far from world class in away dens barring Bumrah. Their batters and bowlers are bang average.

They are not minnow obviously, as that title is reserved for Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc etc but India's test cricket is clownish compared to NZ, Aus, Sa and NZ atm.

Their odi and t20 team is world class and no 1.

Their test cricket is a piece of crap due to the likes of posters such as @jeeteshssaxena believing that Jaiswal, Pant, Gill(The test cricketer) etc etc are tue real deal.

 

[RidiculousMan]

I’ve been saying for years Sachin Tendulkar is an amateur and now Indians agree to

That was the last punch

 

[RexRex]

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent
Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

This is actually a great observation by Kimber and Bumble. Professionalism increased exponentially at the turn of the millenium which is why Pak and WI quickly dropped off the scale.

Being 'mercurial' can only work for so long.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Lack of cameras, neutral umpiring.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is actually a great observation by Kimber and Bumble. Professionalism increased exponentially at the turn of the millenium which is why Pak and WI quickly dropped off the scale.

Being 'mercurial' can only work for so long.

@Rajdeep Your logic doesnt even make any sense?

By this logic, the likes of Sunny Gavaskar, Viv Richards, Sobers are all crap unprofessional amateur players and should automatically discarded .

No wonder no one takes indian posters seriously. The good indian posters on this forumn are overshadowed by nutcases.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Those weird shots are hackish. He and Jaiswal are dissapointments. India's t20 unit + Gill in odi is the real deal.

India's test cricket is behind and far from world class in away dens barring Bumrah. Their batters and bowlers are bang average.

They are not minnow obviously, as that title is reserved for Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc etc but India's test cricket is clownish compared to NZ, Aus, Sa and NZ atm.

Their odi and t20 team is world class and no 1.

Their test cricket is a piece of crap due to the likes of posters such as @jeeteshssaxena believing that Jaiswal, Pant, Gill(The test cricketer) etc etc are tue real deal.

When did i say that Gill has done well in test cricket?

Pant has had a lot of impact in tests so yeah he is an amazing player and will retire as a Test ATG wk bat.

Jaiswal showed his class in current WTC and in BGT too.

 

[RexRex]

@Rajdeep Your logic doesnt even make any sense?

By this logic, the likes of Sunny Gavaskar, Viv Richards, Sobers are all crap unprofessional amateur players and should automatically discarded .

No wonder no one takes indian posters seriously. The good indian posters on this forumn are overshadowed by nutcases.

Did you actually watch the Talksport clip ? What did you think of what Kimber, Harmison and Jon said ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is actually a great observation by Kimber and Bumble. Professionalism increased exponentially at the turn of the millenium which is why Pak and WI quickly dropped off the scale.

Being 'mercurial' can only work for so long.

Several "short cut" methods were involved which went unnoticed. Plethora of noballs from Windies bowlers went unnoticed. They dismissed players of them.

 

[mominsaigol]

When did i say that Gill has done well in test cricket?

Pant has had a lot of impact in tests so yeah he is an amazing player and will retire as a Test ATG wk bat.

Jaiswal showed his class in current WTC and in BGT too.

Pant has had a lot of impact in tests so yeah he is an amazing player and will retire as a Test ATG wk bat.

For Indians every tom dick and Harry will retire as an ATG. Those that won't, will have some made up status such as Laxman being called a great due to playing a few outlier innings and maintaining a 45 consistent avg across dens


Heck you view Sidu(ik not the correct spelling, im just shortening) as relevant when I guarantee 95% of cricket fans have no idea who he is, in the same way they do not know who ryan ten doeshant is despite him avg 65 in odi cricket.

Someone like Irfan Pathan, Harbajan Singh, Anil Kumble, Gautam Ghambir(Granted he deserves it due to world cup impact so fair enough), Suresh Raina, Pujara etc etc are always viewed in some sort of weird bracket while the likes of James faulkner who is no lesser then these people barring raina is a forgotten cricketer as people dont even remember his 2015 final contribution .

1B Indians will market anyone. Dhoni is a solid Indian batsmen no doubt, but his movie turned him into some Viv Richards All time great when in reality he's average in test and t20. Was good in IPL and was a legend in odi but Indians have clearly overdone it.

A Loser and bang average player like Azharuddin was turned into some legend due to his movie. In his movie before the ban, hes shown to play sone All time great test innings and the movie makes it seem like he won an impossible match.

Anyone who searched that test match would realise that india got butchered in that said game, yet fiction rewrote reality as Azhar being a goat.

Pant is a 42 averaging test specialist batsmen. End of. He has no credentials in odi and t20 and the one format he hides behind is test cricket where hes average in bit due to the downgrade in test batsmen ober the years he looks like a million dollars compared to someone like Rizwan or Alex Carey in test.

Hiding behind a wicket keeping clause + Test specialist clause won't change the reality that hes a 42 averaging test batsmen who sucks monkey do.

 

[mominsaigol]

Did you actually watch the Talksport clip ? What did you think of what Kimber, Harmison and Jon said ?

Me > those 3. What i say matters. Those 3 should quit and find other jobs

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Me > those 3. What i say matters. Those 3 should quit and find other jobs

Why would words from a third class graduate who cannot calculate averages matter? Whatever those guys are I am quite sure they can calculate averages.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why would words from a third class graduate who cannot calculate averages matter? Whatever those guys are I am quite sure they can calculate averages.

3rd class? The uni i graduated from was ranked 19th in the world on qs rankings. Its rankings every year consistently remain anywhere from 14 to 38 but typically its in the 19-25 range. Its acceptance rate is less then 20% .

Its > any university in India thats for sure lol. Not to mention my work credentials .

Whatever those guys are

Lol you Owned yourself , seriously who even are these guys. Hahahahhahaa.

I am quite sure they can calculate averages.

Again with this averages nonsense. How many times must I tell you, I dont have any idea or clue as to what you're referring to, or what nonsense you are spouting.

 

[Rajdeep]

Me > those 3. What i say matters. Those 3 should quit and find other jobs

Rajdeep > Momin > those 3

Does this work bro?

 

[mominsaigol]

Rajdeep > Momin > those 3

Does this work bro?

Rajdeep > Me in what? Beating me in a sherlock Holmes cos play?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

So you're saying that a team like India, which was one of the worst performing teams of the 90s, had no talent?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Meaning it's become even more professional since the 90's.

You have to remember that the likes of England and New Zealand did not have central contracts until 1999 or so .

Fitness standards are far higher. You would never have guys like Ranatunga playing in the middle order in modern cricket.

The use of the sidearm and bowling machines meant that batsmen started playing high pace far better from the mid 2000's onwards.

There's massive difference between cricket played in the 90's and now.

OP could have been more articulate. His post is clumsily worded, where it sounds like players were running around barefoot with sticks until civilization suddenly advanced in the 2000s

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

OP could have been more articulate. His post is clumsily worded, where it sounds like players were running around barefoot with sticks until civilization suddenly advanced in the 2000s

Bro i was just looking at the record of all asian team found that pakistan still has the best record against all asian teams even though we know pakisstan has been struggling since 10 years.

 

[sweep_shot]

Rajdeep > Me in what? Beating me in a sherlock Holmes cos play?

@Rajdeep has to beat his own drum because nobody else does it for him.

Reminds me of Jeb Bush's "Please clap".

 

[uppercut]

Why would words from a third class graduate who cannot calculate averages matter? Whatever those guys are I am quite sure they can calculate averages.

That remains My all time favorite thread ... I had to really think hard to come up with a example to prove my point

 

[mominsaigol]

That remains My all time favorite thread ... I had to really think hard to come up with a example to prove my point

. I had to really think hard to come up with a example to prove my point

Which shows your level, unlike you i dont have to think at all to stomp 99% of posters on PP.

 

[uppercut]

. I had to really think hard to come up with a example to prove my point

Which shows your level, unlike you i dont have to think at all to stomp 99% of posters on PP.

Dude .. I had to work hard because I was trying to explain basic math to someone operating at caveman level... or imagine trying to teach basic arithmetic to a potato. That’s the only reason it took effort as I had to get down to that level lol. So If I were you I wouldn't gloat about your thinking abilities or lack there-off.

But you being you .... you will keep digging.

 

[Major]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

a very interesting out take and it makes sense.

Thanks for sharing this

 

[DeadlyVenom]

So you're saying that a team like India, which was one of the worst performing teams of the 90s, had no talent?

If you remember the Indian team of the 90s it's a fair assessment.

They failed to win any matches in tests away from home for a decade.

 

[Sachin fan]

When did I mention Sanga and Gilly? Clown avg in NZ and Eng are worthy of praise ?

You didn't because then you know you would be destroyed.

You want Pant to do something which even Goat wicketkeeper batsmen never achieved, so you definitely believe he is better than them.

And you call someone keeping entire innings and then batting "hiding".

Why has no wicket keeper in history achieved 50 average? Why was Sanga's average worse than Pant as a wicket keeper despite him batting on easier pitches

What is funny is once I thought you were a sensible poster but it's clear you are just another attention seeking troll.

 

[mominsaigol]

You didn't because then you know you would be destroyed.

You want Pant to do something which even Goat wicketkeeper batsmen never achieved, so you definitely believe he is better than them.

And you call someone keeping entire innings and then batting "hiding".

Why has no wicket keeper in history achieved 50 average? Why was Sanga's average worse than Pant as a wicket keeper despite him batting on easier pitches

What is funny is once I thought you were a sensible poster but it's clear you are just another attention seeking troll.

Dude he has just turned into an attention seeking teenage troll. Better to engage with sensible posters instead of these kind.

First of DV is talking to redwood and not me, so keep in mind of who he is referencing.

Secondly this is the issue with posters like you. You want everyone to agree with you all the time. One disagreement results in the classic

But but but I thought you were sensible

This Pant drama will get exposed eventually. He and Jaiswal are not that great

 

[mominsaigol]

You didn't because then you know you would be destroyed.

You want Pant to do something which even Goat wicketkeeper batsmen never achieved, so you definitely believe he is better than them.

And you call someone keeping entire innings and then batting "hiding".

Why has no wicket keeper in history achieved 50 average? Why was Sanga's average worse than Pant as a wicket keeper despite him batting on easier pitches

What is funny is once I thought you were a sensible poster but it's clear you are just another attention seeking troll.

It is 100% hiding behind a wicket keeping clause. He is not that good.

 

[kron]

I was watching a TalkSport podcast between Jarod Kimber and Bumble Lloyd. They have explained it beautifully.

Pakistan and West Indies were best team in the 70s, 80s and 90s when cricket was still an amateur sport and you can only rely on talent.

Ever since it became a professional sport, they have fallen backwards.

Just like England in tests

Basically they are only good vs amateur teams that don’t take the sport seriously

Were*

Since it became professional they have become crap in all formats barring England that do well in LOI and tests at their home

 

[kron]

Those weird shots are hackish. He and Jaiswal are dissapointments. India's t20 unit + Gill in odi is the real deal.

India's test cricket is behind and far from world class in away dens barring Bumrah. Their batters and bowlers are bang average.

They are not minnow obviously, as that title is reserved for Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc etc but India's test cricket is clownish compared to NZ, Aus, Sa and NZ atm.

Their odi and t20 team is world class and no 1.

Their test cricket is a piece of crap due to the likes of posters such as @jeeteshssaxena believing that Jaiswal, Pant, Gill(The test cricketer) etc etc are tue real deal.

Rebuilding now
Let’s wait and see
Players are losing interest in tests but I hope not

I don’t want to see t20 and odi only. Especially not odi as no one cares for it.

Our batting talent is ok for sena conditions but they need to go overseas and play county etc if they want to grow

Bowling actually still has quality. 2014 to 2021 India had the best pace attack

But now it obviously has declined however some young guns are coming through

Rana is still young
Prasidh is getting better and has exp
Yudhvir Singh
Arshdeep will grow

and akash deep though is a fraud. Always injured. Age fudger fodder

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC NOW.