How exactly are Australia planning to battle against spin in India?

[MenInG]

Ok so yes this is a different format but against spinners of half the effectiveness from Pakistan we have Australia struggling like novices.

So how will they survive in India?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Gee this Australian Tour to India is going to be fun! #&#55357;&#56873;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/spin?src=hash">#spin</a></p>— Dean Jones (@ProfDeano) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfDeano/status/820518650402615297">January 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Australia are struggling against the non spinning spinners in Melbourne .... Good Luck in India !!!!!!!!!!</p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/820519047037075457">January 15, 2017</a></blockquote>
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[King Kong]

This is just an anomaly. Australians don't usually struggle against spinners in their backyard. See them go nuts in next matches.

In India, they will probably get hammered, but will be more competitive than any other team that has toured India in the last few years.

 

[Aman]

India are going to give Australia a phainty the likes of which that has never been seen.

 

[JaDed]

I'm wondering if they are trolling us terrible performance today and Pakistanis looked so active after long time in LOI game (nice to see),hopefully we do prepare sharp turners for Aussies.

 

[ethan hunt]

The first bit of cricket i have managed to watch this tour.
Man !!! Yasir shah must have been terrible to get thrashed the way he did. These guys play around straight , slow balls.

 

[Aman]

Every away team should roll out turners for the Aussies.

We made a huge mistake preparing green tops for them last year.

 

[Gilly]

Every away team should roll out turners for the Aussies.

We made a huge mistake preparing green tops for them last year.

Yeah NZedds are not too smart are they.

 

[Officer Barbrady]

They've struggled against spin for a few years now. Remember we beat them easily in the UAE a couple of years ago.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Today's just an off day. They won't be so bad.

 

[MenInG]

Today's just an off day. They won't be so bad.

And previous ODI?

 

[boomboom6]

Today's just an off day. They won't be so bad.

they struggled last match as well

 

[Statsman]

And previous ODI?

Their new breed of power hitters though will have their good days are susceptible against spin. Their previous middle order had Clarke and Bailey who could menouvre spinners well.

 

[Sidilicious]

The first bit of cricket i have managed to watch this tour.
Man !!! Yasir shah must have been terrible to get thrashed the way he did. These guys play around straight , slow balls.

Nah, Aus are really good against spinners in their own backyard. Just an off day IMO.

 

[Pakprideuk]

If Hazlewood finds his range, he will take 2 deliveries to dismiss Hafeez. I wish Azhar was opening today and Sarfraz was in the middle ordrr!

 

[KhalidRafi]

Australia are in for one heck of a beating in India.

 

[aukhan]

Maxwell's dismissal today was funny

Ashwin will be licking his lips.

 

[Chrish]

Every away team should roll out turners for the Aussies.

We made a huge mistake preparing green tops for them last year.

Isn't playing on green tops supposed to be Aussie weakness too?

 

[Pak_lover6]

I don't know how they will fare in India against spin but I know one thing.
At the fourth evening of the last test match when Aussies will be looking to avoid an innings defeat and also whitewash , Virender Sehwag will tweet
"Asian teams should think before inviting Australia because they have not been competing in Asia. They are falling like my hair" .

 

[Aman]

Isn't playing on green tops supposed to be Aussie weakness too?

Nah, we lost the toss on both occasions, they have much better pacers too. Best bet would have been to go with slow turners.

We managed to beat Australia in the ODI's in NZ because the wickets were slower.

 

[Pete Rose]

Expose their middle order early if you want the spinners to come in to play, in the odi's.
Different ball game in the tests: all of them are sitting ducks

 

[Varun]

Nah, we lost the toss on both occasions, they have much better pacers too. Best bet would have been to go with slow turners.

We managed to beat Australia in the ODI's in NZ because the wickets were slower.

Australia get demolished in England all the time on wickets that are green. Flat roads play into their hands, not greentops or turners.

 

[R0H1T]

And previous ODI?

Well Aus aren't much on slow tracks, even in ODI's as evidenced by their show in 2011 WC & 2013 CT. The problem is there aren't many of these drier tracks being used for ODI's these days, I'd back the opposition to win on such tracks against any Aussie side provided the opposition is good & don't roll over hearing the name of Australia.

 

[Bilal7]

They are not. They'll show up, get hammered, make money and then catch the next flight back home and prepare for the Ashes. England and Australia are not serious about winning in Asia and the Ashes for them is the pinnacle of the sport.

The only non-Asian team that is serious about winning in Asia is South Africa.

 

[R0H1T]

They are not. They'll show up, get hammered, make money and then catch the next flight back home and prepare for the Ashes. England and Australia are not serious about winning in Asia and the Ashes for them is the pinnacle of the sport.

The only non-Asian team that is serious about winning in Asia is South Africa.

And WI of the days gone by, it's amazing how the major cricketing nations ignored Ind & Pak during the 70~90's & a tour over here was always an afterthought. Aus changed that trend only because India gave them more money than anyone else, same for England, the Imperial Cricket Club was aptly named.

 

[SL_Fan]

Not good signs that's for sure. That was some horrible batting.

 

[speedking]

Michel Vaughan tweets sums it up Aussies should learn either bhangra or south Indian classical

 

[Pollack]

By having khwaja Lynn marsh Travis into the team.

 

[jeetu]

Probably they'll be hoping to chase 320 batting second , for score 350+ batting first. Too much reliance on Warner , Smith to get big score.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

And previous ODI?

they struggled last match as well

had no recollection of this game. watched the highlights again- main wickets were taken by the pacers. 3 wickets were taken by the spinners. head, faulkner, marsh. the first two are not going to india. marsh is hardly a trusty bat.

i think AUS are in especially poor form atm. great chance for PAK to capitalise if they can.

 

[Syed1]

had no recollection of this game. watched the highlights again- main wickets were taken by the pacers. 3 wickets were taken by the spinners. head, faulkner, marsh. the first two are not going to india. marsh is hardly a trusty bat.

i think AUS are in especially poor form atm. great chance for PAK to capitalise if they can.

I don't think they are in THAT poor form. They are putting too much pressure on themselves to post a mammoth score. Aussies comms were saying they will score 380 in the 2nd ODI, ended up getting 220 LOL.

Need to show the opposition a little more respect and not select 5-6 T20 hacks who only have one gear.

 

[Anchorman]

It will be an absolute massacre.

 

[FlickedOffHips]

I don't think they are in THAT poor form. They are putting too much pressure on themselves to post a mammoth score. Aussies comms were saying they will score 380 in the 2nd ODI, ended up getting 220 LOL.

Need to show the opposition a little more respect and not select 5-6 T20 hacks who only have one gear.

I largely agree with all that.

Who would you rather pick though?

 

[GrandMaster]

This is just an anomaly. Australians don't usually struggle against spinners in their backyard. See them go nuts in next matches.

In India, they will probably get hammered, but will be more competitive than any other team that has toured India in the last few years.

True. Australians are fighters, they will come back really strong.

 

[nighthawk23]

Secret weapon Monty Panesar

 

[Hasan123]

If you can bowl a few tight overs to the modern day Australian batsmen, they'll give there wickets away eventually.

 

[jeetu]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1297591/australia-hire-spin-maestros-india-tour/

Australia hire spin maestros for India tour

Cricket Australia announced on Tuesday that former Indian bowler Sriram Sridharan will work with Australia as a “spin consultant” on their upcoming tour of India.

Sridharan played eight ODIs for India and toured with Australian squads in Sri Lanka and India last year.

“He [Sridharan] knows our players very well and has a wealth of knowledge on the conditions that our players will face in India,” said team performance manager Pat Howard.

Australia have named four spinners in the squad to take on top-ranked India in the series that begins in Pune on February 23. Uncapped Mitchell Swepson, 23, joins Nathan Lyon, Ashton Agar and Steve O’Keefe.

Monty Panesar, the former England spinner, who played three Test tours of India for 28 wickets, has also been recruited by Australia to impart his knowledge of subcontinent pitches.

Panesar, who was one of England’s 2012 winning tourists in India, will spend a week in Brisbane with the Australians as they seek to bolster their chances of winning their first match in India since 2004.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Australia is going to do worse than SA, England, and NZ in India. All these teams had better players of spin bowling.

I expect them to lose every match by an inning margin.

 

[Abdullah]

they r hoping to win the toss and make all their runs in the first dig. they will be able to bat onnthe wickets day 1 and 2

 

[akki]

they r hoping to win the toss and make all their runs in the first dig. they will be able to bat onnthe wickets day 1 and 2

they had won every toss last time in 4 match series in india and still we white washed them comfortably....

 

[troodon]

http://tribune.com.pk/story/1297591/australia-hire-spin-maestros-india-tour/

Australia hire spin maestros for India tour

Cricket Australia announced on Tuesday that former Indian bowler Sriram Sridharan will work with Australia as a “spin consultant” on their upcoming tour of India.

Sridharan played eight ODIs for India and toured with Australian squads in Sri Lanka and India last year.

“He [Sridharan] knows our players very well and has a wealth of knowledge on the conditions that our players will face in India,” said team performance manager Pat Howard.

Australia have named four spinners in the squad to take on top-ranked India in the series that begins in Pune on February 23. Uncapped Mitchell Swepson, 23, joins Nathan Lyon, Ashton Agar and Steve O’Keefe.

Monty Panesar, the former England spinner, who played three Test tours of India for 28 wickets, has also been recruited by Australia to impart his knowledge of subcontinent pitches.

Panesar, who was one of England’s 2012 winning tourists in India, will spend a week in Brisbane with the Australians as they seek to bolster their chances of winning their first match in India since 2004.

Did that Sridharan guy sign up for pennies? There are many more competent spinners than him in Indian circuit. Someone like Bhajji could have been roped in as a mentor for Aus spinners. Instead they chose a water boy.

 

[Abdullah]

they had won every toss last time in 4 match series in india and still we white washed them comfortably....

yeh but hopefully warner will be more of a factor this time than last which is the key to those 400 scores becoming 500 and the others who were there last time will be better for the experience. starc lyon wade etc

want it to be an interesting series but if aus r playing catchup it wont be

 

[jeetu]

Highlight was last tour was Homeworkgate. Someone like Warne would have helped them more.

 

[Ellipsism]

I largely agree with all that.

Who would you rather pick though?

Peter Handscomb, Cameron Bancroft, Kurtis Patterson etc.

 

[Abdullah719]

Can’t tackle Indian spinners with just one strategy: Glenn Maxwell

Australian all-rounder Glenn Maxwell, who is eyeing a permanent spot at No. 6 in the Test side, has advised the teammates to learn from Virat Kohli and other Indian batters in order to combat spin during the upcoming four-match Test series starting February 23.

Maxwell is off the opinion that sticking to one strategy through an innings-let alone the four Tests- against Indian spinners like Ravichandran Ashwin and Ravindra Jadeja would be dangerous for the team as it would set the Australian batsmen up for failure.

“I’m not sure it’s a place you ever really feel comfortable. It’s a place where you’ve got to work so hard to get your runs, and you’ve got to have different strategies at different times of a game,” cricket.com.au quoted Maxwell as saying. “That’s probably what I’ve learned; you can’t go in there with just one strategy and stick to it.”

“You’ve got to be adaptable and you’ve got to be able to change your game almost mid-innings,” he added. The 28-year-old further said that the series against the No. 1 Test ranked side would be a “real test” of everyone. “Even for the Indian players, you watch them, they go through different stages of their innings from sweeping, to using their feet, to playing off the back foot – they change all the way through their innings,” said the mercurial all-rounder. “Hopefully we can do similar stuff and work on our play of spin because it’s going to be pretty key,” he added.

Australia, which sit at the second spot in the ICC Test Rankings following a 3-0 whitewash in their home series against Pakistan, will face a herculean task against the Virat Kohli-led side. Australia have not won a Test in India since 2004 and their last series victory in Asia came against Sri Lanka in 2011. Infact, they have since suffered nine straight Test losses in the subcontinent and, therefore, it would a herculean task for them to tackle India, who recenlty defeated England 4-0 in the five-match Test series.

http://www.financialexpress.com/spo...-with-just-one-strategy-glenn-maxwell/536543/

 

[Cricfan4eva]

To be honest Australia seem mentally defeated already. They are over thinking, over analysing and overdoing the whole mental preparation.

It's just like how you play for turn but get bowled/lbw of a plain straight ball.

KP summed it up best, spinners are just slow bowlers. If you can hit 150kph bowlers with ease, just give yourself time and see where the ball pitches and play positively. He used to hit comfortably against the turn as well.

IMO I think only Smith will pose us problems, not sure about Renshaw and Handscomb's technique but rest wont really put fear into the bowlers' minds.

I just hope India aren't complacent after thumping a much better England team. Under Kohli I don't see that happening though.

 

[Sadevdesai]

I don't ever under estimate the Australians !!!! With all the stories going around their weakness against the spin, they will be highly motivated to disprove it. What actually happens, is anyone's guess. I am sure the Indians have keenly watched the recent matches in Australia and have devised a plan for every batsman. So it will be a real treat to watch them battle it out ... can't wait !!!

 

[aloo paratha]

They're not. A loss seems inevitable.

 

[Ab Fan]

Will be a fun series for sure.

 

[R0H1T]

To be honest Australia seem mentally defeated already. They are over thinking, over analysing and overdoing the whole mental preparation.

It's just like how you play for turn but get bowled/lbw of a plain straight ball.

KP summed it up best, spinners are just slow bowlers. If you can hit 150kph bowlers with ease, just give yourself time and see where the ball pitches and play positively. He used to hit comfortably against the turn as well.

IMO I think only Smith will pose us problems, not sure about Renshaw and Handscomb's technique but rest wont really put fear into the bowlers' minds.

I just hope India aren't complacent after thumping a much better England team. Under Kohli I don't see that happening though.

Yeah except not many players hit 150+ km/h bowlers with ease, especially KP vs someone like an MJ. KP is simply singing his own praise, he obviously likes the sound of his own voice too much.

With the upcoming tour my mind says that Aus will get steamrolled, the heart says they'll do a lot better. The key however would be the tracks, flat pitches give Aus a 50/50 chance of drawing the test, winning is an afterthought but definitely not an impossibility. With turners though Aus might be mentally shot even before they reach Dharamshala, where they'll have the best chance of winning.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I don't see anybody other than Smith scoring runs. Rank turners are currently the hardest wickets in the world to bat on. Whitewash is unlikely, Australia might even win a single test by fluke. But series loss is guaranteed, and at least 2 matches will be very one sided in India's favour

Ashwin and Jadeja will steamroll, I see no other alternative.

 

[spade]

They can employ as many innovative strategies as they want, but we all know how this is going to end, they would be stripped naked and beaten black and blue. Sorry for the coarse words but they are just not good enough unfortunately.
If ashwin and jadeja carry half decent form into the series, no one can save the aussies from 4 innings defeat barring kohli's decision not to enforce the follow on.

 

[street cricketer]

I feel very uncomfortable with the fact that we are almost expected to win while Australia are billed as massive underdogs.

You never write off an Australian team and I hope the Indian players don't become complacent as Starc, Hazlewood and co can be a handful on any wickets.

 

[Justcrazy]

I feel very uncomfortable with the fact that we are almost expected to win while Australia are billed as massive underdogs.

You never write off an Australian team and I hope the Indian players don't become complacent as Starc, Hazlewood and co can be a handful on any wickets.

India will win easily.

 

[Ellipsism]

Australia have got two decent players of spin in Handscomb and Smith but the rest will fall like a pack of cards even if there is a minimal amount of turn.

On the contrary if India dish out flat tracks then it is Australia's game to lose, considering their superior pace bowling attack and the aggressive batsman Australia posses.

Knowing Smith's incapability to handle spinners and his over reliance on the faster men, Swenson and Agar won't play. Leaving one off spinner who generally bowls filth and another off spinner who can't spin the ball. Meaning Lyon and O'Keefe will more likely than not struggle to have any input in the game.

Personally, I see one of Starc or Hazlewood breaking down this series considering their workload over the last three months (6 tests and 6 ODI's) which will force Australia to pick either Cummins or Pattinson both whom aren't ready for test cricket yet.

This is going to be a cracking series none the less.

 

[Hasan123]

On rank turners India will be Australia but on flat pitches Australia have a chance as there batsmen can score at a good rate. Also Starc and Hazelwood can be effective on such pitches.

Should be a good series, never underestimate the Australians.

 

[Abdullah719]

Australia's David Warner says he has a plan for Ravi Ashwin

Australia opener David Warner says he will curb his attacking instincts when he faces India spinner Ravi Ashwin in the forthcoming Test series.

Ashwin has had a superb 12 months - he was by far Test cricket's leading wicket-taker in 2016 - and former Australia captain Steve Waugh described him on Tuesday as the 'Bradman of bowling'.

Warner arrives in the form of his life - since December 6 he has hit six international centuries against Pakistan and New Zealand, but he admits facing Ashwin on Indian wickets will be a much tougher examination of his technique.

"I have to respect a player like Ashwin," he said ahead of the four match series, which will be shown live on Sky Sports. "He thinks like a batsman and I have to be disciplined against him.

"I have a game plan for him - I have to bat against his strength. He is going to be ready for me and we both have to adapt to the situation. It's going to be a great battle for the both of us. I have to bide my time."

Only one batsman can match Warner in terms of form, and that is India captain Virat Kohli, who recently put both England and Bangladesh to the sword.

Warner said: "Virat Kohli is in the form of the decade. He is a fantastic player and a great sport.

"He is exceptional in all formats and he is taking the entire country on a journey. He wants the country to ride with him. Virat is frank and he calls spade a spade.

"Joe Root, Steve Smith, Faf du Plessis and Kohli thrive on responsibility. These young players are unstoppable. Virat is a great example of scoring big tons."

Australia skipper Steve Smith has backed his players to engage in "verbal battles" with the hosts if the occasion demands, and Warner says "sledging" may not work with Kohli.

"Sledging can work both ways with Virat. Great players know how to deal with it," he said. "We have to find a way of getting into the opposition's minds. It could be banter or field placements.

"It is actually playing your brand of cricket. Sledging or banter is just one of the ways to upset the opposition."

http://www.skysports.com/cricket/ne...vid-warner-says-he-has-a-plan-for-ravi-ashwin

 

[Drreddymd]

By carrying their luggages on their own for a start

 

[Abdullah719]

The question should be: How are India planning to battle spin in India?

 

[Convict]

Did that Sridharan guy sign up for pennies? There are many more competent spinners than him in Indian circuit. Someone like Bhajji could have been roped in as a mentor for Aus spinners. Instead they chose a water boy.

Sridharan did a pretty good job.