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How long ago did Adam come to the Earth? Why did humans stay in the Stone Age for 95% of their time?

That isn't proof, Big Bang is a theory. You can't use a supposition as proof that another supposition is wrong. Hard. Solid. Demonstratively provable facts. That would serve your argument better.

Is it not strange when it suited Muslims, then they were showing Big Bang from this verse as miracle of Quran. But when it went against Quran, then Muslims started refusing to accept the Big Bang.

But denying Big Bang does not matter. Still Muslims could not escape from here.

Because it is about Planet EARTH, which never existed in the beginning, and it is not a "theory", but a Scientific FACT.

You can deny Big Bang, but how are you now going to deny this Scientific Fact that there existed this universe, but no Earth for billions of years. And only after many other stars destroyed, and then their parts merged to form the planet Earth.
 
I don't know, maybe because the exact same Pharaoh that Allah declared to make an example of (after he drowned) was found in water in a terribly preserved state. Case in point Ramesses II.

Maurice Bucaille was the first person who claimed that the Mummy of Ramesses II, is the same one about whom Allah told in Quran that He is going to preserve his dead body.

But what was the proof that Maurice Bucaille provided for this claim?

Maurice Bucaille claimed that the Mummy was full of "SALT", which proves that this Mummy was the same Pharaoh who was drowned in the sea, and thus this "salt" has come from that sea.

But contrary to Maurice Bucaille claim:

(1) The Mummy of Ramesses II didn't come from the Red Sea, but it was taken out from the "Valley of Kings" (where many other Mummys of Pharaohs were buried).

(2) And the "salt" upon the body of Ramesses II, was not from the red sea, but it was a type of salt, which is known as "Natron" and has been extensively used for the purpose of preservation.

Not only Ramesses II, but "all" the Mummys were preserved by using this Natron Salt.

Most Perfect Method of Mummification
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummy
The body was further dehydrated by placing it in natron, a naturally occurring salt, for seventy days. Herodotus (the Researcher Scientist) insists that the body did not stay in the natron longer than seventy days. Any shorter time and the body is not completely dehydrated; any longer, and the body is too stiff to move into position for wrapping.


And the body of Ramesses II was not found in red sea, but in the "Valley of Kings".

Ramesses II
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesses_II
Ramesses II was originally buried in the tomb KV7 in the Valley of the Kings but, because of looting, priests later transferred the body to a holding area, re-wrapped it, and placed it inside the tomb of queen Inhapy. Seventy-two hours later it was again moved, to the tomb of the high priest Pinudjem II. All of this is recorded in hieroglyphics on the linen covering the body.[58] His mummy is today in Cairo's Egyptian Museum.​

Moreover, there has not been a single proof that Ramesses II was the same Pharaoh who existed during the era of Moses.
Many WRITINGs have been found from the place of burial of Ramesses II, and they have a lot of details about Ramesses, about buildings, about wars, about progress in Egypt etc. but not a single hint is present there about Moses.
And the name of the wife of Ramesses II was not "ASIYAH" (the wife of Pharoah of the Moses era). But the wife of Ramesses II was a famous queen whose name was "Nefertari".

Therefore, there exists not a single proof that Ramesses II is the same Pharaoh of Moses era and Allah fulfilled any of his promise regarding him, but still propaganda is so strong that millions of people have been decieved in believing this miracle of Quran and thus they accepted Islam due to this lie.
 
Is it not strange when it suited Muslims, then they were showing Big Bang from this verse as miracle of Quran. But when it went against Quran, then Muslims started refusing to accept the Big Bang.

But denying Big Bang does not matter. Still Muslims could not escape from here.

Because it is about Planet EARTH, which never existed in the beginning, and it is not a "theory", but a Scientific FACT.

You can deny Big Bang, but how are you now going to deny this Scientific Fact that there existed this universe, but no Earth for billions of years. And only after many other stars destroyed, and then their parts merged to form the planet Earth.

Can you define planet Earth as per your understanding as to how it relates to the world according to the Quran please?
 
Can you define planet Earth as per your understanding as to how it relates to the world according to the Quran please?

For Quran "Planet Earth" and "World" is one and the same thing i.e. Arabic Word الارض

This same word has been used in the big bang verse:

” أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا
 
For Quran "Planet Earth" and "World" is one and the same thing i.e. Arabic Word الارض

This same word has been used in the big bang verse:

” أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا

There is no Big Bang verse in the Quran, you are inventing meanings and attributing them wrongly to fit your own nefarious designs.
 
I don't know, maybe because the exact same Pharaoh that Allah declared to make an example of (after he drowned) was found in water in a terribly preserved state. Case in point Ramesses II.

Also, I never disagreed about evolution. It is a very solid and comprehensive theory BUT it definitely is not the complete answer. I expect future modifications to it.

There are some answers which can never be discovered by humans so this arrogant path that atheists take that science will/has discovered everything and has the answer for everything is laughable. You just can't know what's beyond the event horizon of a black hole.

Now I know why my response to your first post directed at me was not understood by you.

There was too much logic for you to handle.

Just because we may or may not know what's beyond the event horizon of a black hole, does not mean we can't endeavour to find everything else out bar the impossible. Like life after death.

I'm glad you think Evolution is a very solid comprehensive, scientific theory (fact), there is no doubt about Evolution, that we descended from monkeys and that we are linked to every plant and animal in the world. Glad you are coming round to that idea.
 
There is no Big Bang verse in the Quran, you are inventing meanings and attributing them wrongly to fit your own nefarious designs.

This name was given to this verse by the Muslims themselves.
But let me change you the name of the verse, and let's say it is the verse about Beginning of the Universe.

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا
Translation:
". . . the heavens and the earth were joined together as one unit, before We clove them asunder" (21:30).
 
Creationism is a word used to describe the world/s being created to design by Allah SWT.

So in direct opposition to the Big Bang Theory, so one side we have as near as scientific fact as possible and another written 1400 years ago, saying it was by magic.
 
I'm glad you think Evolution is a very solid comprehensive, scientific theory (fact), there is no doubt about Evolution, that we descended from monkeys and that we are linked to every plant and animal in the world. Glad you are coming round to that idea.

Sir, as far as my little knowledge is concerned, then we have not evolved from monkeys, but the exact statement is both humans and monkeys evolved through a same ancestor. This makes monkeys our cousin, but nor fathers from whom we evolved
 
So in direct opposition to the Big Bang Theory, so one side we have as near as scientific fact as possible and another written 1400 years ago, saying it was by magic.

There is no opposition to the Big Bang Theory, these are all just words to describe the Unknown. Which is itself just another word, and the same is true for the terms you describe as 1400 years and magic.
 
Sir, as far as my little knowledge is concerned, then we have not evolved from monkeys, but the exact statement is both humans and monkeys evolved through a same ancestor. This makes monkeys our cousin, but nor fathers from whom we evolved

Of course. I guess I was using Islam-speak to address the poster concerned.

Yes, we descended from a common ancestor of monkeys and most recently apes.Please don't call me sir, dude will do.
 
There is no opposition to the Big Bang Theory, these are all just words to describe the Unknown. Which is itself just another word, and the same is true for the terms you describe as 1400 years and magic.

We have evidence for the first, nowt for the second. No wonder there is no opposition. I want to ask you a question. Do you believe in Evolution and specifically human evolution?
 
Don't you know, you don't have to believe in Islam to be a Muslim. One who believes is a Mu'min.

Citation.

My word, if true, I can be an athiest Muslim, which I thought was an oxymoron, relying on the term cultural Muslim instead.
 
Citation.

My word, if true, I can be an athiest Muslim, which I thought was an oxymoron, relying on the term cultural Muslim instead.

Today, "Muslim" is meant Mu'min. Originally a Muslim is one who have surrendered to the forces of Islam or submitted to be under control of the Mu'mins, Willingly or otherwise.

Citations, later dude. I remember but need to find it. I'm not on PP full time like you :)
 
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Today, "Muslim" is meant Mu'min. Originally a Muslim is one who have surrendered to the forces of Islam or submitted to be under control of the Mu'mins, Willingly or otherwise.

Citations, later dude. I remember but need to find it. I'm not on PP full time like you :)

There you go Devilsadvokat..

To be a Muslim means you have surrendered/submitted to the forces of Muhammad and/or his followers. It is NOT about submitting/surrendering to Allah. It has nothing to do with belief/faith. In verse 49:14, the word for submitted is aslamna i.e become Muslim . A person who actually believe in Islam is called a Mu’min . So why would anyone become a Muslim (submitters) but have no faith in it (Momin)?. The Tafsir (reference; altafsir.com Ibn Abbas) says ONE of the reason is fear of the sword & captivity !!. In verse 48:16, where you can see Allah asking the prophet to threaten the Bedouins who have no interest in joining his expeditions, please note that word used for the supposed “surrender” of the enemy army is yuslimoona (i.e they become Muslim). It simply means that & has nothing to do with having faith.

The Arabs of the desert say, `We believe (minoo).' Say, `You have not truly believed yet, but rather say, `We have submitted (aSLAMa), for true faith has not yet entered into your hearts.' But if you obey ALLAH and HIS Messenger, HE will not detract anything from your deeds. Surely, ALLAH is Most Forgiving, Merciful. (Q 49:14)

Say to the desert Arabs who contrived to be left behind, `You shall be called to fight against a people of mighty valour; you shall fight them until they surrender (yUSLIMoona). Then, if you obey, ALLAH will give you a good reward, but if you turn your backs, as you turned your backs before, HE will punish you with a painful punishment.' (Q 48:16)

……But Allah said: (Say) to them, O Muhammad: (Ye believe not) you are not genuine in your faith in Allah and His Messenger, (but rather say “We submit”) we submit so that we may be spared from the sword and captivity, (for the faith hath not yet entered into your hearts) for love and sincerity of faith have not entered your hearts. (Yet, if ye obey Allah and His messenger) inwardly as you obey him outwardly and repent of inward disbelief and hypocrisy, (He will not withhold from you aught of (the reward of) your deeds) He will not diminish the reward of your works. (Lo! Allah is Forgiving) He forgives whoever repent of you, (Merciful) towards whoever dies repentant. (Quran 49:14) * تفسير Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs)
 
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