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Contrary to what some posters here believe, there has been a massive gap between India and Pakistan , considering all formats in the last 15 years or so, India has been , comfortably, the best Asian cricketing side and well ahead of Pakistan. However, this looks like it's going to change soon considering the quality of talent being produced in Pakistan. Pakistan have , potentially, a fearsome quartet of fast bowlers shaping up in Shaheen, Naseem, Hasnain and Rauf. A world class batsman in Bobby Azam and a quality wk-batsman in Rizwan as well.

If Pakistan find two more world class batsmen, they can dominate Asian cricket in the 20's and even compete with Australia for overall #1. I believe Pakistan can find two more in 3 years and that will transform this team into a world -beating one. How long will it take according to ppers here? Discuss.
 
india will only keep getting even better. so hard to say. india hasveen number 1 for the past 4 5 years. pakistan are top5 right now but to be number 1 they have a lot of work to do. babar alone won't cut it.
 
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The OP is a sad little man who spends his time doing mental gymnastics to undermine Pakistan and Pakistani fans.

This is just another fresh troll attempt and saying there has been a massive gap from the past 15 years is a complete joke.
 
Pakistan will never be the best Asian team again in any format.

The damage down over the last 20-25 years is irreversible.

To be fair, India were always supposed to be the strongest Asian team. Pakistan cannot compete with the size of their talent pool, the size of the market and their economy.

For India, it was only a question of changing their mentality and establishing a structure. It eventually happened in the late 90’s and early 2000’s.

Theoretically, Pakistan can established itself as the second biggest powerhouse in cricket after India.

Apart from India, we have a bigger talent pool (in terms of numbers) than all other cricket nations put together.

Cricket is by far the most loved sport in the country and with a market of 200 million+, there is tremendous room for growth.

However, for Pakistan to maximize its resources, it will have to improve its economy and its global image. Unfortunately, none of that is going to happen, and that is why we will remain in the shadows of teams like Australia and England because of their first world status.
 
The OP is a sad little man who spends his time doing mental gymnastics to undermine Pakistan and Pakistani fans.

This is just another fresh troll attempt and saying there has been a massive gap from the past 15 years is a complete joke.

Don't worry your little brain, brother Slim. It is a fact that India has been far ahead in ODIs and tests in that period. Only t20is there is a comparison. On the other hand, I genuinely do think that Pakistan have reached a stage where they have the raw talent to compete with the big teams.
 
We need to start being compeitive again against quality teams, that will be a good start.

I know it is a troll thread but India have the $$$ and cricketing infrastructure to remain no1 in the world.
 
No single teams is number 1 in ranking or performance across all formats and across all conditions. Pakistan is already the number 1 T20 international team and has been thereabouts for last several years. They are a competitive side when it comes to Test and ODI special their records in England and New Zealand is top notch.
 
Don't worry your little brain, brother Slim. It is a fact that India has been far ahead in ODIs and tests in that period. Only t20is there is a comparison. On the other hand, I genuinely do think that Pakistan have reached a stage where they have the raw talent to compete with the big teams.

I bet you were one of the indian fans saying "Aane do" to pakistani ODI team in 2012
 
In Tests, we'll become the best soon from Asia.

In LOIs, not sure. Difficult.

Kicking Mickey Arthur out has certainly accelerated our improvement. Will become a force in Tests again.
 
In Tests, we'll become the best soon from Asia.

In LOIs, not sure. Difficult.

Kicking Mickey Arthur out has certainly accelerated our improvement. Will become a force in Tests again.

and you are saying this after Ponting called our test team "the worst he has ever seen"?
 
and you are saying this after Ponting called our test team "the worst he has ever seen"?

Ponting hadn't seen by that time how a full strength and experienced NZ team will do in Aus.

NZ did way worse than Pak. Pak had many debutants and inexperienced people under a new management. It was bound to be a failure. It doesn't represent how Pak team is going to lift and get better. Already much more improved after that first tour.

Besides, Ponting needs to be reminded how his Aus team has fared in IND and UAE over the last few tours. Worst we've also seen. Completely clueless.
 
Ponting hadn't seen by that time how a full strength and experienced NZ team will do in Aus.

NZ did way worse than Pak. Pak had many debutants and inexperienced people under a new management. It was bound to be a failure. It doesn't represent how Pak team is going to lift and get better. Already much more improved after that first tour.

Besides, Ponting needs to be reminded how his Aus team has fared in IND and UAE over the last few tours. Worst we've also seen. Completely clueless.

If you think Pakistan were better than New Zealand in their respective tours of Australia, then I am sorry to say its you who is wrong not Ponting
 
You mean in terms of ranking? Because i overall they are still the best in Asian bloc.
 
The OP's hilarious, riotious assessment of India as being far better over 15 years was a good laugh for Sunday morning. India have been the best asian team for awhile and margins have increased in the last 5 years, but the level of the teams was very very close all the way up to the 2011 World Cup and a bit further than that.

However, the obvious trolling aside, the question about how Pakistan becomes the best asian team is an interesting one. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thinks it'll never happen, but here's how I think it can:

Admin factors

1) It's incredibly important that both Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan serve their full terms. These guys have shown an appetite for positive change. They've also demonstrated through their networking skills that they CAN build up Pakistan's influence in the ICC again with other boards. Najam Sethi was ok at this, but these guys are an improvement based on the Bangladesh tour agreement, the agreement with SENA boards for more A team tours and that tour itineraries have at least three tests, thus giving Pakistan squads more exposure to SENA conditions. These are all positive bridge building steps for the duo, as post Ejaz Butt and Spot Fixing gate, PCBs reputation was at an all time low.

2) That their governance amendments stick. The most important of these is removing the Head of Government as the PCB's patron. One of the most disruptive things in Pakistan cricket has been when, whenever the national government changes, the new PM get' s his own guy in. See Zardari and Zaka Ashraf, Sharif and Najam Sethi and now IK and Ehsan Mani. Eventually the serving board regime is unable to oversee any improvement because the PCB president will leave once the PM leaves. Any long term amendments never get implemented, and as such the PCB has been left behind compared to other cricket boards. Thus is the reason why beaurocratic hanger ons that don't add anything can still be found in PCB. If Wasim and Mani hang around, those hanger ons will slowly be moved on.

Structural Factors

1) The change in Domestic System staying long term - Personally I feel that the new domestic system has been quietly impactful. The 6 teams, the defined home away system and the use of the Kookaburra ball will in the long term bring forward more refined bowlers and batsmen.

2) Improvement of Domestic Pitches - The pitches in the last domestic season were roads on average. However the PCB is actively trying to rectify this by getting the ICC head curator to train local curators. Hopefully this bears fruit.

3) Higher quality domestic coaching. One thing hampering Pakistan cricket has been high quality coaching at the domestic level. It's usually the same old names with the same old ideas who will always give the TTFs a chance over deserving youngsters. A counter example to this has been Mohammed Wasim as the coach of Northern. The guy has given chances to youngsters and as a result Northern, whilst not winning, have made the finals of both QEA and the T20 cup. Similar to talent hunts, PCB should encourage coaching hunts and sponsor a select group of coaches to have experience in other systems like Shield or County cricket.

4) Organize and Improve schools cricket - Currently PCB have a revamped the domestic structure. However the link between schools cricket and the domestic structure is still weak. A more organised schools structure with tournaments etc will ease the pathway of these kids to domestic cricket.

5) Further revive tours to Pakistan - The more Pakistan hosts other teams, the more money PCB can make to facilitate some of the structures I have mentioned. It will also inspire young ones to take up the game more.

6) Making the PSL properly profitable - Hosting in Pakistan, full stadiums and a larger broadcast deal will help with this. Once there is clear profitability, perhaps more teams can be added

7) Sticking with the joint Chief Selector/Head Coach role- The jury is out on Misbah and this is not a defence of him, but I think the combined role has it's benefits. It's been successfully trialled by NZ and keeps accountability with one man. It also helps to as a money saving tact if the roles are combined. It's important that the guy in this role has a clear site of Domestic performers and gives them opportunities. You don't want the national team to be a closed shop full of a revolving door of TTFs and Misbah has atleast given some domestic performers a chance.

Team considerations

1) One/Two truly aggressive openers - This is a longstanding issue for Pakistan. Current Stop gaps would be a revamped Sharjeel and a rejuvenated Fakhar, but Pakistan need more long term answers in this position. Haider Ali may be an option, but he needs to better his strike rotation. Hopefully Zeeshan Malik comes good in the new domestic season to further his case

2) One/two Middle Order players who can play in both gears - This is a potential problem area, as both Hafeez and Malik retire this year and Haris Sohail's form fluctuates. However, it's the one area where there is a bit of hope on the horizon. There are multiple guys in Domestic who have burgeoning reputations to play this role - Hopefully Zeeshan Ashraf and Rohail Nazir perform in the PSL. Also, Saif Bader, Saud Shakeel also wait in the wings. The lad Faizan from LQ also one to watch for

3) A consistent finisher- A cool headed smasher is what's needed ala Razzaq. Khushdil is currently given a go but U19 lads like Irfan Niazi and Mohammed Haris are potential solutions here. Haris has done it a number of times so is a good bet.

4) A contributing wicketkeeper batsman - I feel that Rizwan is ok for tests. However we need someone to push him for the ODI spot and replace him in the T20s. Both Haris and Rohail from the U19s keep. Rohail is hit and miss as a keeper though. Alternatively Umar Akmal could return as a keeper, but that's a last resort. Sarfaraz at this point only works in tests. Unless he can show something in the PSL the door remains closed for him.

5) A bowling all-rounder - Hopefully this someone who can replace Imad as a pace bowling alrounder who can smash it down the order - Ammad Butt is being given a go and Amir Yameen has been tried here. Fahim Ashraf has not worked out batting wise. One very left field suggestion would be Hasan Ali as a bowling all-rounder. If he can work a lot more on his batting, there is a potential player in there. People who may find this ridiculous will know that Shoaib Malik started as a Saqlain clone who could bat a bit. Why can't Hasan make similar amendments? Because he's not getting his fast bowling spot back anytime soon.

6) Wrist Spinner alternatives to Shadab/Yasir- Personally I would prefer if Yasir refound his groove because he's such a character to have in the dressing room. However alternatives here are Mohammed Mohsin for white ball cricket to replace Shadab. Usama Mir showed promise but goes for far too many runs and thus is not an upgrade on Shadab. Is there anybody in first class as a wrist spinner who replaces Yasir?

7) Offspinner for Test Cricket - The cupboard here is pretty bare but aside from Bilal Asif there's only Sajid Khan. Next

8) Left Armers spinners not named Imad/Nawaz - Umer Khan gets talked up a lot here and given his inclusion in both PSL and the Emerging team, he is on the selectors radar. Zafar Gohar gets a mention as a test match option

Captaincy - Let's hope that Babar develops as a leader during this time. I once thought of someone like Amir being a future captain because of his cricketing mind. May be one to revisit in the future

That's it! Thanks
 
The OP's hilarious, riotious assessment of India as being far better over 15 years was a good laugh for Sunday morning. India have been the best asian team for awhile and margins have increased in the last 5 years, but the level of the teams was very very close all the way up to the 2011 World Cup and a bit further than that.

However, the obvious trolling aside, the question about how Pakistan becomes the best asian team is an interesting one. [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] thinks it'll never happen, but here's how I think it can:

Admin factors

1) It's incredibly important that both Ehsan Mani and Wasim Khan serve their full terms. These guys have shown an appetite for positive change. They've also demonstrated through their networking skills that they CAN build up Pakistan's influence in the ICC again with other boards. Najam Sethi was ok at this, but these guys are an improvement based on the Bangladesh tour agreement, the agreement with SENA boards for more A team tours and that tour itineraries have at least three tests, thus giving Pakistan squads more exposure to SENA conditions. These are all positive bridge building steps for the duo, as post Ejaz Butt and Spot Fixing gate, PCBs reputation was at an all time low.

2) That their governance amendments stick. The most important of these is removing the Head of Government as the PCB's patron. One of the most disruptive things in Pakistan cricket has been when, whenever the national government changes, the new PM get' s his own guy in. See Zardari and Zaka Ashraf, Sharif and Najam Sethi and now IK and Ehsan Mani. Eventually the serving board regime is unable to oversee any improvement because the PCB president will leave once the PM leaves. Any long term amendments never get implemented, and as such the PCB has been left behind compared to other cricket boards. Thus is the reason why beaurocratic hanger ons that don't add anything can still be found in PCB. If Wasim and Mani hang around, those hanger ons will slowly be moved on.

Structural Factors

1) The change in Domestic System staying long term - Personally I feel that the new domestic system has been quietly impactful. The 6 teams, the defined home away system and the use of the Kookaburra ball will in the long term bring forward more refined bowlers and batsmen.

2) Improvement of Domestic Pitches - The pitches in the last domestic season were roads on average. However the PCB is actively trying to rectify this by getting the ICC head curator to train local curators. Hopefully this bears fruit.

3) Higher quality domestic coaching. One thing hampering Pakistan cricket has been high quality coaching at the domestic level. It's usually the same old names with the same old ideas who will always give the TTFs a chance over deserving youngsters. A counter example to this has been Mohammed Wasim as the coach of Northern. The guy has given chances to youngsters and as a result Northern, whilst not winning, have made the finals of both QEA and the T20 cup. Similar to talent hunts, PCB should encourage coaching hunts and sponsor a select group of coaches to have experience in other systems like Shield or County cricket.

4) Organize and Improve schools cricket - Currently PCB have a revamped the domestic structure. However the link between schools cricket and the domestic structure is still weak. A more organised schools structure with tournaments etc will ease the pathway of these kids to domestic cricket.

5) Further revive tours to Pakistan - The more Pakistan hosts other teams, the more money PCB can make to facilitate some of the structures I have mentioned. It will also inspire young ones to take up the game more.

6) Making the PSL properly profitable - Hosting in Pakistan, full stadiums and a larger broadcast deal will help with this. Once there is clear profitability, perhaps more teams can be added

7) Sticking with the joint Chief Selector/Head Coach role- The jury is out on Misbah and this is not a defence of him, but I think the combined role has it's benefits. It's been successfully trialled by NZ and keeps accountability with one man. It also helps to as a money saving tact if the roles are combined. It's important that the guy in this role has a clear site of Domestic performers and gives them opportunities. You don't want the national team to be a closed shop full of a revolving door of TTFs and Misbah has atleast given some domestic performers a chance.

Team considerations

1) One/Two truly aggressive openers - This is a longstanding issue for Pakistan. Current Stop gaps would be a revamped Sharjeel and a rejuvenated Fakhar, but Pakistan need more long term answers in this position. Haider Ali may be an option, but he needs to better his strike rotation. Hopefully Zeeshan Malik comes good in the new domestic season to further his case

2) One/two Middle Order players who can play in both gears - This is a potential problem area, as both Hafeez and Malik retire this year and Haris Sohail's form fluctuates. However, it's the one area where there is a bit of hope on the horizon. There are multiple guys in Domestic who have burgeoning reputations to play this role - Hopefully Zeeshan Ashraf and Rohail Nazir perform in the PSL. Also, Saif Bader, Saud Shakeel also wait in the wings. The lad Faizan from LQ also one to watch for

3) A consistent finisher- A cool headed smasher is what's needed ala Razzaq. Khushdil is currently given a go but U19 lads like Irfan Niazi and Mohammed Haris are potential solutions here. Haris has done it a number of times so is a good bet.

4) A contributing wicketkeeper batsman - I feel that Rizwan is ok for tests. However we need someone to push him for the ODI spot and replace him in the T20s. Both Haris and Rohail from the U19s keep. Rohail is hit and miss as a keeper though. Alternatively Umar Akmal could return as a keeper, but that's a last resort. Sarfaraz at this point only works in tests. Unless he can show something in the PSL the door remains closed for him.

5) A bowling all-rounder - Hopefully this someone who can replace Imad as a pace bowling alrounder who can smash it down the order - Ammad Butt is being given a go and Amir Yameen has been tried here. Fahim Ashraf has not worked out batting wise. One very left field suggestion would be Hasan Ali as a bowling all-rounder. If he can work a lot more on his batting, there is a potential player in there. People who may find this ridiculous will know that Shoaib Malik started as a Saqlain clone who could bat a bit. Why can't Hasan make similar amendments? Because he's not getting his fast bowling spot back anytime soon.

6) Wrist Spinner alternatives to Shadab/Yasir- Personally I would prefer if Yasir refound his groove because he's such a character to have in the dressing room. However alternatives here are Mohammed Mohsin for white ball cricket to replace Shadab. Usama Mir showed promise but goes for far too many runs and thus is not an upgrade on Shadab. Is there anybody in first class as a wrist spinner who replaces Yasir?

7) Offspinner for Test Cricket - The cupboard here is pretty bare but aside from Bilal Asif there's only Sajid Khan. Next

8) Left Armers spinners not named Imad/Nawaz - Umer Khan gets talked up a lot here and given his inclusion in both PSL and the Emerging team, he is on the selectors radar. Zafar Gohar gets a mention as a test match option

Captaincy - Let's hope that Babar develops as a leader during this time. I once thought of someone like Amir being a future captain because of his cricketing mind. May be one to revisit in the future

That's it! Thanks

The problem is that other teams will not stop and wait for Pakistan to find these XYZ players and catch up.

You have to keep up with your competition and that is how retain your position as a top team. Unfortunately, Pakistan along with perhaps West Indies, are the only two sides that have been in consistent decline over the last 20-25 years.

Once you fall back so significantly, it is very, very difficult to catch up.
 
India wi never be better then PKistan until they start playing and beating them in bi lateral series.

That is a fact
 
Not in our lifetime that is for certain. India have talent like KL and Iyer coming good. Whilst we need to go back to Malik and Hafeez to beat Bangladesh at home without them having 2 of their best players.
 
Only a matter of time. They have Babar Azam now who is very similar to what Tendulkar was for India in 90s. By the time Tendulkar retired, Pakistan became a mediocre team while Tendulkar left a long lasting legacy behind him.

In a same way, when Babar will retire, he will leave a long lasting legacy and India will become a mediocre team with a certain Mis-You playing till 40s and ensuring that we don't become a minnow.

Only a matter of time before Pakistan takes back the crown of the greatest Asian team which India had snatched from them due to the legacy created by Tendulkar.
 
Don't worry your little brain, brother Slim. It is a fact that India has been far ahead in ODIs and tests in that period. Only t20is there is a comparison. On the other hand, I genuinely do think that Pakistan have reached a stage where they have the raw talent to compete with the big teams.

Seems like you have forgotten the pounding your team got in 2012. You seem to suffer from selective amnesia.

There is a gap between India and Pakistani team post 2013 but not massive by any means. Your team got pounded in England, where Pakistan remained succesful. India has not won an ICC trophy since their last CT.
 
Seems like you have forgotten the pounding your team got in 2012. You seem to suffer from selective amnesia.

There is a gap between India and Pakistani team post 2013 but not massive by any means. Your team got pounded in England, where Pakistan remained succesful. India has not won an ICC trophy since their last CT.

Seems like you have forgotten the pounding you got in the Asia Cup when you publicly quit the forum and your alter ego debuted. :)

This is not just about bilateral records. Overall, Pakistan have been atrocious at ODI cricket since 2006, OK at test cricket and good in t20is. India have win a World Cup, been among the top 2-3 teams in ODIs, had long reigns at the top as the number 1 test nation and done as well as Pakistan in t20is( pounded you in bilateral record but I'm not considering it)
 
Seems like you have forgotten the pounding your team got in 2012. You seem to suffer from selective amnesia.

There is a gap between India and Pakistani team post 2013 but not massive by any means. Your team got pounded in England, where Pakistan remained succesful. India has not won an ICC trophy since their last CT.

I remember that Aane Do series lol
 
Seems like you have forgotten the pounding your team got in 2012. You seem to suffer from selective amnesia.

There is a gap between India and Pakistani team post 2013 but not massive by any means. Your team got pounded in England, where Pakistan remained succesful. India has not won an ICC trophy since their last CT.

Who won the champions trophy in 2013? India played all their weak players va Pakistan in a bilateral that dint matter mate. Pounding lol in a stupid jamodi. No worries mate.
 
Only a matter of time. They have Babar Azam now who is very similar to what Tendulkar was for India in 90s. By the time Tendulkar retired, Pakistan became a mediocre team while Tendulkar left a long lasting legacy behind him.

In a same way, when Babar will retire, he will leave a long lasting legacy and India will become a mediocre team with a certain Mis-You playing till 40s and ensuring that we don't become a minnow.

Only a matter of time before Pakistan takes back the crown of the greatest Asian team which India had snatched from them due to the legacy created by Tendulkar.

Yea people can dream. Sure. Not happening though. India have a great domestic system. Won’t go anywhere till eternity. Only going to get better.
 
Not in our lifetime that is for certain. India have talent like KL and Iyer coming good. Whilst we need to go back to Malik and Hafeez to beat Bangladesh at home without them having 2 of their best players.
Why be so negative all the time a year ago there were no prospective fast bowlers in sight, now we have plenty to establish.
Good batsmen can also be developed providing selections are made on merit, and plenty opportunity provided to allow them to learn the trade in high intensity international matches like the KL Rahul you mention.
Paksitan are slowly but surely moving in right direction albeit with some mind boggling selections such as Asif Ali, Ahsan. There is no harm playing Maliks or Hafeez whilst right youngsters are found and developed. India too have been relying on Dhoni till now
 
Who won the champions trophy in 2013? India played all their weak players va Pakistan in a bilateral that dint matter mate. Pounding lol in a stupid jamodi. No worries mate.
Who won the championship in 2017, Pak played many newish players and still won comfortably.
 
Depends on the next generation of players coming through the ranks. Looking at the performances and results in the last few u19 tournaments, it seems certain that India are going to be at the top for quite some time.

Pakistan can still get better than their current team though with Babar's peak years ahead of him and some promising fast bowlers coming through. On a different note, Afghanistan and Bangladesh too can be much much better teams in the near future than their current ones looking at how their junior teams are shaping up. Good times ahead for Asian cricket. :)
 
Depends on the next generation of players coming through the ranks. Looking at the performances and results in the last few u19 tournaments, it seems certain that India are going to be at the top for quite some time.

Pakistan can still get better than their current team though with Babar's peak years ahead of him and some promising fast bowlers coming through. On a different note, Afghanistan and Bangladesh too can be much much better teams in the near future than their current ones looking at how their junior teams are shaping up. Good times ahead for Asian cricket. :)

india have paddikal, jaiswal, tyagi waiting on the bench. These kids have a bright future.
 
Seems like you have forgotten the pounding you got in the Asia Cup when you publicly quit the forum and your alter ego debuted. :)

This is not just about bilateral records. Overall, Pakistan have been atrocious at ODI cricket since 2006, OK at test cricket and good in t20is. India have win a World Cup, been among the top 2-3 teams in ODIs, had long reigns at the top as the number 1 test nation and done as well as Pakistan in t20is( pounded you in bilateral record but I'm not considering it)

I created that thread, quit it for the prescribed period like i promised and returned when it ended with the same account. I own it. You can find it on the same account im posting from, what alter ego?Stop falsfying stuff. Like i said you do suffer from amnesia and you muddle up stuff to concot stories.

What overall records? You are deluded. Pakistan has done well for themselves, surely not as good as India, which i never claimed. What the point of contention is your claim of "massive gap" which is pure delusion.
 
If India were so good would have not only made it to the last world cup final but also won it.
 
you fluked in the CT as well, otherwise it was England's to win.

No we dint. we won the world cup and then the champions trophy as well. yours was a fluke. you went downhill post 2017.

what happened to hasan ali :starc:.
 
Talking in absolutes is absurd. Pakistan have not played at home since forever. Our batsmen do not feast at home the way Indians have been doing past few years, that's a fact.

If we stop playing in UAE then and only then we may improve our rankings. Our team is full of newbies, it will need many years to establish itself.

PS: VK and Sharma win India more than half of their ODIs single handedly. It's ridiculous. Meanwhile we Hafeez :yk
 
you fluked in the CT as well, otherwise it was England's to win.

NZ fluked their way to ODI WC final. Pakistan would have beaten England in final. We had the momentum and deserved to be in final more than Kiwis #justsaying
 
No we dint. we won the world cup and then the champions trophy as well. yours was a fluke. you went downhill post 2017.

what happened to hasan ali :starc:.

India's CT win was a fluke, England the deserved winners and the current world champions were coasting to victory but india got lucky.
 
Hahahaha,, you crazy bro...😆
Our bowlers will be okay I guess but batting and mainly it's the strategic side Pakistan have always lacked. Mickey came and tried a few things but he never did stick to it. You need specialists for each department and each format.. test spinner should be seen as a specialist and likewise 2 main fast bowlers.
Mickey tried the 5 bowlers and found some success only to revert back to the stupid ways after a failure or 2. Misbah nor waqar have the mental capacity to take the team forward..
 
[MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] , [MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION]6 and [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] 's trolling is genuinely adorable. It is is after all Sunday, the weekend in India and probably a slow news day.

Facts are this. India are admittedly streets ahead of Pakistan in ODI cricket and probably Tests too. T20s we can compete. Pakistan, as an immediate fix are 2 gun batsmen and an inform Shadab away from becoming very very good again. Remember my Indian friends, it's better to have a strong bowling attack as a base to start with rather than batting. India has come into it's own on the strength of it's bowling in the last decade. Pakistan are beginning to form up their bowling and with 2 good batsmen can make things interesting.

Peace!
 
Talking in absolutes is absurd. Pakistan have not played at home since forever. Our batsmen do not feast at home the way Indians have been doing past few years, that's a fact.

If we stop playing in UAE then and only then we may improve our rankings. Our team is full of newbies, it will need many years to establish itself.

PS: VK and Sharma win India more than half of their ODIs single handedly. It's ridiculous. Meanwhile we Hafeez :yk

Pakistan just played at home vs 3rs string team of Srilanka & we knew what was the results?? It's a excuse that Pakistan don't play home that's why they regressed so much .there is not much talent coming through in domestic structure , only some tullybaaz who hit few sixs in psl got selected,that's the reason they are far behind from other teams .first select better talent from your domestic not from PSL , results will follow .
 
[MENTION=150610]tyron_woodley[/MENTION] , [MENTION=148927]Hyperion66[/MENTION]6 and [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION] 's trolling is genuinely adorable. It is is after all Sunday, the weekend in India and probably a slow news day.

Facts are this. India are admittedly streets ahead of Pakistan in ODI cricket and probably Tests too. T20s we can compete. Pakistan, as an immediate fix are 2 gun batsmen and an inform Shadab away from becoming very very good again. Remember my Indian friends, it's better to have a strong bowling attack as a base to start with rather than batting. India has come into it's own on the strength of it's bowling in the last decade. Pakistan are beginning to form up their bowling and with 2 good batsmen can make things interesting.

Peace!

dude pakistan are still good. I don't understand why many of them support England over their own team. it makes me sick. I want india and pakistan to be the 2 best teams in the world. Asian power. Right now India is number 1 but pakistan have the potential to get there.
 
Why be so negative all the time a year ago there were no prospective fast bowlers in sight, now we have plenty to establish.
Good batsmen can also be developed providing selections are made on merit, and plenty opportunity provided to allow them to learn the trade in high intensity international matches like the KL Rahul you mention.
Paksitan are slowly but surely moving in right direction albeit with some mind boggling selections such as Asif Ali, Ahsan. There is no harm playing Maliks or Hafeez whilst right youngsters are found and developed. India too have been relying on Dhoni till now

Look at how long it took to find someone like Babar. I don't see any batters of that quality in domestic.

Wouldn't be doing banghra over the fast bowlers until they have performed for a consistent period. We have a record of fast bowlers falling away the longer they are in international cricket.

LOL comparing an ATG like Dhoni with trash like Malik and Hafeez. Dhoni at his worst is better than those 2.
 
Pakistan just played at home vs 3rs string team of Srilanka & we knew what was the results?? It's a excuse that Pakistan don't play home that's why they regressed so much .there is not much talent coming through in domestic structure , only some tullybaaz who hit few sixs in psl got selected,that's the reason they are far behind from other teams .first select better talent from your domestic not from PSL , results will follow .

The Sri Lanka series was a one-off, the way we're playing against BD proves it
 
Pakistan just played at home vs 3rs string team of Srilanka & we knew what was the results?? It's a excuse that Pakistan don't play home that's why they regressed so much .there is not much talent coming through in domestic structure , only some tullybaaz who hit few sixs in psl got selected,that's the reason they are far behind from other teams .first select better talent from your domestic not from PSL , results will follow .

Pakistan not playing at home is not an excuse, it's a fact. Again, talking in absolutes in absurd. We are not the greatest Asian team but neither are we the worst!

Bhai aaj kal tullay baaz hi chal rahe hain. All four of Aus/Ind/NZ/Eng have home track bullies/FTBs in their batting order. Pak won't mind to have a couple of FTBs/HTBs as well. That's how cricket has evolved!
 
dude pakistan are still good. I don't understand why many of them support England over their own team. it makes me sick. I want india and pakistan to be the 2 best teams in the world. Asian power. Right now India is number 1 but pakistan have the potential to get there.

And we'll get there. Remember, the most interesting sports stories are those when teams rise back up again. That's why Liverpool's probable premier league win this year, Dortmund's resurgence in the Klopp era and the German national teams world cup win generated such attention. I'd like to think that Indian fans despite the regular trolling understand how a strong Pakistan helps world cricket in general. We are getting to point (if not there already) cricket is getting dangerously uncompetitive. India are at the top, then it's Australia/England and then everybody else. If that goes on an extended period of time, the sport will suffer in the long term. Having a stronger Pakistan (and hopefully stronger Windies) will atleast delay that
 
Playing in UAE for over a decade and still being a competitive side is a achievement in its own.

Anybody who understand cricket would know what a huge difference playing at home in front of your own crowd, pitches you have been brought up in and impressing youngsters to take up cricket as a sport make.
 
Playing in UAE for over a decade and still being a competitive side is a achievement in its own.

Anybody who understand cricket would know what a huge difference playing at home in front of your own crowd, pitches you have been brought up in and impressing youngsters to take up cricket as a sport make.

But, but UAE is similar to pakistan and In fact we would have lost more if we played in Pakistan. The so called PP experts.
 
Pakistan not playing at home is not an excuse, it's a fact. Again, talking in absolutes in absurd. We are not the greatest Asian team but neither are we the worst!

Bhai aaj kal tullay baaz hi chal rahe hain. All four of Aus/Ind/NZ/Eng have home track bullies/FTBs in their batting order. Pak won't mind to have a couple of FTBs/HTBs as well. That's how cricket has evolved!

Comapre Pakistan tullybaaz like of asif ,faheem, Zaman with any other countries ?? You know the big big difference between them .try next time
 
It won't happen under Misbah that is for sure.

The first step to help reach this goal would be to ensure Pakistan cricket remains free from his presence as well as those who follow his school of thought until the end of the Dunya.

I can't promise Pakistan will be no.1 but what I can promise is improvement. Good case in point is CT 2013 -> CT 2017.
 
I think by 2025 perhaps we can be challenging India more. The major issue is we dont play India often enough to really test our skills against them. To be the best you need to be playing the best. We can not expect to compete with India in the major tournaments like the World Cup when most of our games being played are against Srilanka, West Indies, Zimbabwe. If we can play regularly at home and start playing more against top teams regularly we can bridge the gap in 5 years time. Ideally India needs to play us in bilaterals too but thats not happening any time soon.
 
Pak has lost just two series at so called home over last decade or so while India has lost one. Also I dont remember many overseas heroics by both teams except India’s win in Aus and Pak drawing two series in Eng, so in tests difference comes in by playing more matches at home which India definitely does.

Yes overall India is a better team across the formats but difference is only exaggerated by India playing more and more at home too. That advantage is their for Aus and Eng as well to an extent who play much more cricket and at home too.

Pak would have been ranked 3 in the test rankings last year if the would have won series vs NZ in UAE so this is pretty much how the ranking system works. Get around 3 consecutive home series, win them and climb up the ladder. None of the teams are setting their overseas tours on fire.

Other than that I think [MENTION=143541]KingOfPakBreakfast[/MENTION] has covered it all in his post.
 
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As correctly pointed out by many posters in the thread, the gap between India and Pakistan isn't a lot. Pakistan is arguably #3 in tests right now, is real #1 in T20s, and also even stevens with India in ODIs thanks to the "aane do", Champions Trophy and away win in SA. In terms of talent , #1 in all formats. Imagine if this is Pakistan's position after playing all their games away from home, what will happen when they start playing at home too? Like India, they can build a fortress.
 
Look at how long it took to find someone like Babar. I don't see any batters of that quality in domestic.

Wouldn't be doing banghra over the fast bowlers until they have performed for a consistent period. We have a record of fast bowlers falling away the longer they are in international cricket.

LOL comparing an ATG like Dhoni with trash like Malik and Hafeez. Dhoni at his worst is better than those 2.
Dhoni is much better batsman than Hafeez and Malik but there is no denying he was one of the main reason India had a bad world cup for their standards.
 
India ruled the last decade comfortably as the best Asian site. Pakistan was no way near challenging.

Test: Doing well at home ( like most teams do) and destroying oppositions at home is two different things. India destroys top oppositions and massacred the lower ranked sides at home at will. While Pakistan though did well at 'home' hardly scared the opposition and then also start dropping test and series against teams like Srilanka, West indies and Newzelaand.( that is a strict no no for a top test team). Overseas, India competed with top teams in later half ( first half was a disaster though)

ODI: India has a dream decade. Won a world cup and made two semifinals of the other two. Pakistan just one seminfinal and two group exit. Both won a champion trophy but India got into two finals. Ranking wise India been top 1 2 3 mostly while Pakistan was mostly 4 5 6. Again no competition.

T20: Pakistan scored there because of 2016 -2018 record but India's was not far behind. Both had an excellent record last decade. Tournament wise: India reached one final and one semifinal. Pakistan reached one semifinal I guess.

Overall India was miles ahead of Pakistan esp in tests and ODI. Just an occasional blip here and there ( which can happen to any top team) can't take the fact that India was undisputed no.1 Asian side last decade.

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The new decade. Both teams has started well. After a long time Pakistan seems to be producing exciting bowler which will be a good challenge for India. The onus is on Pakistan though. India wpuld be No. 1 in test worldwide for almost five years and when they play the first test championship final ( almost assured. Maybe Pakistan time starts after that.
 
As correctly pointed out by many posters in the thread, the gap between India and Pakistan isn't a lot. Pakistan is arguably #3 in tests right now, is real #1 in T20s, and also even stevens with India in ODIs thanks to the "aane do", Champions Trophy and away win in SA. In terms of talent , #1 in all formats. Imagine if this is Pakistan's position after playing all their games away from home, what will happen when they start playing at home too? Like India, they can build a fortress.
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Long way to go and definitely not in near future with current squad with timid coaches like Misbah and Waqar.
I bet if Misbah is the coach of India they will loose 60% of away series. There is no comparison between Sastri ad Misbah. Sastri is a good planner and hide his team's weakness by launching attack where Misbah always play safety first even if we play against Singapore C team and let opposition give an impression not to fear us.
 
As correctly pointed out by many posters in the thread, the gap between India and Pakistan isn't a lot. Pakistan is arguably #3 in tests right now, is real #1 in T20s, and also even stevens with India in ODIs thanks to the "aane do", Champions Trophy and away win in SA. In terms of talent , #1 in all formats. Imagine if this is Pakistan's position after playing all their games away from home, what will happen when they start playing at home too? Like India, they can build a fortress.

Pakistan is no way a top test team. They are at best will compete for No.4 with South Africa and Newzealand. Anyone who calls Pakistan #3 is test is pure delusional. They need to first win test matches, break into top 5 and then start claiming. It is infact funny to be calling Pakistan a top test team.

ODI: Even stevens with India? Again big time delusional and conveniently selecting stats to justifying the fake arguments. India has one world cup victory and two semi finals while Pakistan manged just one semifinal last decade. And don't get me started on the bil laterals...India was miles ahead and even won series away in south Africa, Australia and newzelaand with handsome margins....and Champions trophy? whats so special in that..India also won one and one final appearance.
Head to head last decade: India vs Pkaistan. India won 10 while paksitan won 4. How is that even steven?


In terms of talent , Pakistan#1 in all formats: LOL.
 
Pakistan is no way a top test team. They are at best will compete for No.4 with South Africa and Newzealand. Anyone who calls Pakistan #3 is test is pure delusional. They need to first win test matches, break into top 5 and then start claiming. It is infact funny to be calling Pakistan a top test team.

ODI: Even stevens with India? Again big time delusional and conveniently selecting stats to justifying the fake arguments. India has one world cup victory and two semi finals while Pakistan manged just one semifinal last decade. And don't get me started on the bil laterals...India was miles ahead and even won series away in south Africa, Australia and newzelaand with handsome margins....and Champions trophy? whats so special in that..India also won one and one final appearance.
Head to head last decade: India vs Pkaistan. India won 10 while paksitan won 4. How is that even steven?


In terms of talent , Pakistan#1 in all formats: LOL.

It is not Pakistan's fault that test cricket is at its all time low and the likes of SA and NZ are performing poorly.
 
It is not Pakistan's fault that test cricket is at its all time low and the likes of SA and NZ are performing poorly.

Nobody is stopping Pakistan to win matches/series against their oppositions, move up in ranking and when they reach #3, claim it rightfully. Just because other teams are not doing well, it is not right to assume Pakistan as no. 3 ( without working hard to reach there)..
 
Pakistan is no way a top test team. They are at best will compete for No.4 with South Africa and Newzealand. Anyone who calls Pakistan #3 is test is pure delusional. They need to first win test matches, break into top 5 and then start claiming. It is infact funny to be calling Pakistan a top test team.

ODI: Even stevens with India? Again big time delusional and conveniently selecting stats to justifying the fake arguments. India has one world cup victory and two semi finals while Pakistan manged just one semifinal last decade. And don't get me started on the bil laterals...India was miles ahead and even won series away in south Africa, Australia and newzelaand with handsome margins....and Champions trophy? whats so special in that..India also won one and one final appearance.
Head to head last decade: India vs Pkaistan. India won 10 while paksitan won 4. How is that even steven?


In terms of talent , Pakistan#1 in all formats: LOL.

You missed out on his sarcasm.
 
The notion that Pakistan’s results have suffered because of not playing at home is one of the biggest myths in cricket.
 
Immediately, if we manage to get Misbah appointed as Indian coach and selector.
 
Pakistan will remain an inconsistent team and will be around 2 to 3 if they do well but they will remain a team that can beat anyone on their day.
 
Long way to go and definitely not in near future with current squad with timid coaches like Misbah and Waqar.
I bet if Misbah is the coach of India they will loose 60% of away series. There is no comparison between Sastri ad Misbah. Sastri is a good planner and hide his team's weakness by launching attack where Misbah always play safety first even if we play against Singapore C team and let opposition give an impression not to fear us.

shastri is a trash coach. india are just too good of a team and professional unit. Shastri has no bearing whatsoever. He is just a good people person.
 
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Long way to go and definitely not in near future with current squad with timid coaches like Misbah and Waqar.
I bet if Misbah is the coach of India they will loose 60% of away series. There is no comparison between Sastri ad Misbah. Sastri is a good planner and hide his team's weakness by launching attack where Misbah always play safety first even if we play against Singapore C team and let opposition give an impression not to fear us.

I agree with brother Shafi. If Pakistan don't become a world beating side considering the level of talent currently available , it would definitely be Misbah s fault. No other coach has had this talent pool at his disposal.
 
Pak has lost just two series at so called home over last decade or so while India has lost one. Also I dont remember many overseas heroics by both teams except India’s win in Aus and Pak drawing two series in Eng, so in tests difference comes in by playing more matches at home which India definitely does.

Yes overall India is a better team across the formats but difference is only exaggerated by India playing more and more at home too. That advantage is their for Aus and Eng as well to an extent who play much more cricket and at home too.

Pak would have been ranked 3 in the test rankings last year if the would have won series vs NZ in UAE so this is pretty much how the ranking system works. Get around 3 consecutive home series, win them and climb up the ladder. None of the teams are setting their overseas tours on fire.

Other than that I think [MENTION=143541]KingOfPakBreakfast[/MENTION] has covered it all in his post.

Last decade includes India’s draw in SA as well then, also we were beating Windies since 2005..
 
Pak has lost just two series at so called home over last decade or so while India has lost one. Also I dont remember many overseas heroics by both teams except India’s win in Aus and Pak drawing two series in Eng, so in tests difference comes in by playing more matches at home which India definitely does.

Yes overall India is a better team across the formats but difference is only exaggerated by India playing more and more at home too. That advantage is their for Aus and Eng as well to an extent who play much more cricket and at home too.

Pak would have been ranked 3 in the test rankings last year if the would have won series vs NZ in UAE so this is pretty much how the ranking system works. Get around 3 consecutive home series, win them and climb up the ladder. None of the teams are setting their overseas tours on fire.

Other than that I think [MENTION=143541]KingOfPakBreakfast[/MENTION] has covered it all in his post.
Ah, the beauty of would haves, could haves, should haves......
 
but difference is only exaggerated by India playing more and more at home too. That advantage is their for Aus and Eng as well to an extent who play much more cricket and at home too.
lol, playing at home is the only reason why we are far better than others in overseas tests, keep the excuses coming.

See this,

During last 5 years, here are the no. of tests played by Eng, Aus and Ind at home,

Eng: 34 tests;
Aus: 28 tests;
Ind: 28 tests.
 
Even SA have played 28 tests at home during last 5 years....
 
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