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How long before the patience runs out with Mohammad Haris?

Does Mohammad Haris deserve any longer rope?


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Mohammad Haris always talks big but when it comes to back it up with performances, he fails miserably. So why exactly is he failing consistently to deliver for the team? Is there any issue with his technique or any issue with his temperament? Even with gloves, he is an average player and many a time miss crucial opportunities to give opposition new life's.

Following is a brief summary of his recent scores

Mohammad Haris last 8 scores in T20Is:

4, 0, 5, 6*, 4, 2, 15, 1

37 runs off 42 balls at a strike rate of 88

So with such performances does he deserve a longer rope or should he be dropped for talents like Abdul Samad and Mohammad Naeem?
 
Let’s be honest, both of them need to do a lot more before we even start talking about international selection. They should be playing consistent List A and First Class cricket to work on their batting technique. It’s way too early to throw them into T20Is.

As for Haris, he hasn’t shown any improvement, neither as a batter nor as a keeper. And if people don’t want Rizwan in the side, fine, but at least point to someone who’s even half as good as him in T20Is. Right now, none of these guys are ready or good enough at this stage of their careers, they still have a long way to go.

Not too long ago there was a thread where almost everyone agreed these players need to grind in domestic (FC/List A) before being considered. But suddenly now, people want them in the team based on 10–20 T20 games where they’ve maybe performed 3–5 times in total. Then we wonder why Pakistan cricket has hit rock bottom.

Back in the day, even if we weren’t winning tournaments, at least we showed up and made other teams sweat. Now we can’t even manage that. It’s honestly sad, and as a fan, it’s painful to sit through matches where the batting collapses again and again, and the bowling looks worse than ever.
 
Let’s be honest, both of them need to do a lot more before we even start talking about international selection. They should be playing consistent List A and First Class cricket to work on their batting technique. It’s way too early to throw them into T20Is.

As for Haris, he hasn’t shown any improvement, neither as a batter nor as a keeper. And if people don’t want Rizwan in the side, fine, but at least point to someone who’s even half as good as him in T20Is. Right now, none of these guys are ready or good enough at this stage of their careers, they still have a long way to go.

Not too long ago there was a thread where almost everyone agreed these players need to grind in domestic (FC/List A) before being considered. But suddenly now, people want them in the team based on 10–20 T20 games where they’ve maybe performed 3–5 times in total. Then we wonder why Pakistan cricket has hit rock bottom.

Back in the day, even if we weren’t winning tournaments, at least we showed up and made other teams sweat. Now we can’t even manage that. It’s honestly sad, and as a fan, it’s painful to sit through matches where the batting collapses again and again, and the bowling looks worse than ever.
Yes as a Keeper, no one is near Rizwan. In the yesterday game against Afghanistan, Haris let Sufiyan down big time in his first over. Keeping seems to be a simple stuff but many a times is the game changing contribution.
 
We have created a settled squad. I wouldn't make any drastic changes until after the world cup.

Back him for a bit and see what he does. Give him the time to see if he is able to pull himself out of his slump. He was touted as a future captain so shouldn't be cut loose so quickly.
 
He’s the long term future so I think we have to persist with him. I’m not sure Rizwan adds much no.3 or no.7 and even his form has been off he’s not scoring as much anymore.

Keeping isn’t great and that should probably be his main focus. If he becomes a good keeper, it doesn’t matter so much his batting form for our present circumstances.

I’d probably play him at 3 again. Don’t think fakhar is worth playing at 3 anymore, Babar’s out of form. I think he has potential to do well at 7 but it unused to it given he’s tried to be an opener/no.3 most his life.

Honestly I think talent wise Azam khan would be a better fit. But his poor keeping and poor fitness will stop him succeeding at international level (even with the bat). But he’s a genuine lower order hitter which is what the team ideally needs from a wicketkeeper.

If another wicketkeeper comes along we’ll see but there haven’t been great standouts yet so no harm persisting with Haris. He just needs to improve the keeping.
 
Yes as a Keeper, no one is near Rizwan. In the yesterday game against Afghanistan, Haris let Sufiyan down big time in his first over. Keeping seems to be a simple stuff but many a times is the game changing contribution.
Exactly, all I care about is seeing Pakistan win. I honestly don’t get why any fan wouldn’t want an explosive batter in the team instead of Rizwan or Babar if they’re playing too slow. Who enjoys watching their team crawl at a snail’s pace and then lose to bottom tier sides? Every player has to adjust their game according to what the captain demands.

For me, Rizwan is still the better option, but the captain and coach need to sit him down and give him confidence, tell him to play faster, even if it means he gets out cheaply a few times. I genuinely believe he can do it. He’s capable of hitting sixes and playing spin better than most give him credit for. Plus, we need a solid keeper. People don’t realize how much a weak keeper affects the entire bowling unit, it’s not something you can measure just by looking at stats.

And about this so-called “new template” everyone keeps talking about, like we’re suddenly going all guns blazing from ball one, I don’t see it. These guys are still taking their time, relying on one or two batters to carry the innings. It’s not as revolutionary as people make it sound.

At the end of the day, posters can agree or disagree all they want, but this is what I believe in and my honest opinion of where Pakistan cricket stands right now.
 
Exactly, all I care about is seeing Pakistan win. I honestly don’t get why any fan wouldn’t want an explosive batter in the team instead of Rizwan or Babar if they’re playing too slow. Who enjoys watching their team crawl at a snail’s pace and then lose to bottom tier sides? Every player has to adjust their game according to what the captain demands.

For me, Rizwan is still the better option, but the captain and coach need to sit him down and give him confidence, tell him to play faster, even if it means he gets out cheaply a few times. I genuinely believe he can do it. He’s capable of hitting sixes and playing spin better than most give him credit for. Plus, we need a solid keeper. People don’t realize how much a weak keeper affects the entire bowling unit, it’s not something you can measure just by looking at stats.

And about this so-called “new template” everyone keeps talking about, like we’re suddenly going all guns blazing from ball one, I don’t see it. These guys are still taking their time, relying on one or two batters to carry the innings. It’s not as revolutionary as people make it sound.

At the end of the day, posters can agree or disagree all they want, but this is what I believe in and my honest opinion of where Pakistan cricket stands right now.
Yes, Rizwan is capable of it. He has been turned down in his career earlier too. If he could reinvent himself like Luke Ronchi then he definitely deserves to be in the side. Unfortunately for him, that bowlers no more feed him freebies in leg side and if they do they vary the pace to get him caught. I think, Rizwan needs to add new shots to his arsenal and if he can better cope with cutters than he could be Pakistan's top quick.
 
Yes, Rizwan is capable of it. He has been turned down in his career earlier too. If he could reinvent himself like Luke Ronchi then he definitely deserves to be in the side. Unfortunately for him, that bowlers no more feed him freebies in leg side and if they do they vary the pace to get him caught. I think, Rizwan needs to add new shots to his arsenal and if he can better cope with cutters than he could be Pakistan's top quick.
The reason I’m frustrated with Hesson and Aaqib is because ever since they came in with this idea of “faster paced cricket,” they’ve stuck with the same group of players where, honestly, only Saim and Hasan actually fit that style. Credit to Farhan too, he used to play exactly like Babar and Rizwan about a year ago, but he’s worked on his game and has become more explosive. Still, he’s got a lot more to prove.

But here’s the real issue: did the management ever even try giving Babar and Rizwan a chance in this so-called new template? These two carried Pakistan for years, won countless games, chased down 200 a few times, and even delivered our biggest win of the last decade against India in the T20 World Cup. If anyone deserved the opportunity to adjust, it was them.

And no, I’m not saying they would suddenly jump to a 160 strike rate, but if they played around 135–140 while having players like Saim, Farhan and Hasan Nawaz around them, that balance would actually work wonders for the team. Instead, they’ve been completely discarded and replaced with guys who are either proven failures or play in the exact same style we’re supposedly moving away from.
 
The reason I’m frustrated with Hesson and Aaqib is because ever since they came in with this idea of “faster paced cricket,” they’ve stuck with the same group of players where, honestly, only Saim and Hasan actually fit that style. Credit to Farhan too, he used to play exactly like Babar and Rizwan about a year ago, but he’s worked on his game and has become more explosive. Still, he’s got a lot more to prove.

But here’s the real issue: did the management ever even try giving Babar and Rizwan a chance in this so-called new template? These two carried Pakistan for years, won countless games, chased down 200 a few times, and even delivered our biggest win of the last decade against India in the T20 World Cup. If anyone deserved the opportunity to adjust, it was them.

And no, I’m not saying they would suddenly jump to a 160 strike rate, but if they played around 135–140 while having players like Saim, Farhan and Hasan Nawaz around them, that balance would actually work wonders for the team. Instead, they’ve been completely discarded and replaced with guys who are either proven failures or play in the exact same style we’re supposedly moving away from.

So desperate lol
 
Haris needs to realise that such chances don't come very often.

He should not take things for granted. This is Pakistan cricket after all, where PCB personnel, management, and even players change at the drop of a hat.

If he continues to fail like this, someone else will take his place (who's unlikely to be as inept with the bat or gloves), and then Haris might find it almost impossible to get back into the team.
 
Haris needs to realise that such chances don't come very often.

He should not take things for granted. This is Pakistan cricket after all, where PCB personnel, management, and even players change at the drop of a hat.

If he continues to fail like this, someone else will take his place (who's unlikely to be as inept with the bat or gloves), and then Haris might find it almost impossible to get back into the team.
there are only three batter keepers in pak in t20, haris, azam and rizwan. id rather have an erratic haris down the order than a stotgy rizwan at the top. azam has too many issues to be considered atm, altho he is pbly the best six hitter out of all three, even tho he struggles against short pitch bowling.
 
Harris is going nowhere. PCB drops him and he will score a 45 ball hundred in some league or domestics and you will be left with egg on your face. He can only be replaced by a more explosive batsman than him which I don't see currently in Pakistan.

That being said, Harris should work on his attitude in ground. He doesn't seem as focused during batting. Also, his offside game needs work.

Harris can say goodbye to his place if ever Sahibzada Shehzada Farhan got serious about keeping.
 
A big failure. He is once in a once-in-a-blue-moon type player,, which we don't need. What is the use if he scores runs in a dead rubber??? He has failed everytime he was supposed to deliver. This modern-day batter hype should be over with him... Are we gonna wait till asia cup?? I think we will and that should be the end for him if he carries his pathetic form there also.
 
The funny thing is that not only is he a terrible batsman, he is also a bang average WK. If he was great with the gloves, you can give him a free pass.

He is not half the player Rizwan is either side of the stumps. Absolute travesty that Rizwan has been sidelined for this joke.
 
He is not half the player Rizwan is either side of the stumps
What??

Rizwan on any side of the stumps is useless. The longer he stays at the crease, the more chances of his side losing the game. He’s a natural loser
 
What??

Rizwan on any side of the stumps is useless. The longer he stays at the crease, the more chances of his side losing the game. He’s a natural loser
If Rizwan is a 7 out of 10 batsman and 8 out of 10 keeper, this clown is a 2/10 on both fronts.

If you want Rizwan to be discarded from the team for good, go ahead and suggest a serious replacement/successor. Don’t make a mockery of yourself by nominating a joke of a player like Haris who doesn’t belong at the international level.
 
If Rizwan is a 7 out of 10 batsman and 8 out of 10 keeper, this clown is a 2/10 on both fronts.

If you want Rizwan to be discarded from the team for good, go ahead and suggest a serious replacement/successor. Don’t make a mockery of yourself by nominating a joke of a player like Haris who doesn’t belong at the international level.
No.

None of your reasoning makes any sense. You keep shifting your goal posts.

The young team is fine and on the right track under captain Agha. We don’t need the curses of the past to drag us back down

Sorry. Babar and Rizwan are those curses. Get over it.
 
No.

None of your reasoning makes any sense. You keep shifting your goal posts.

The young team is fine and on the right track under captain Agha. We don’t need the curses of the past to drag us back down

Sorry. Babar and Rizwan are those curses. Get over it.
You have to pick your best available players. PCB is not doing that right now, because Haris is not better than Rizwan and Fakhar is not better than Babar at 3.

PCB will die on this hill and this drama will end soon. It will also ruin Agha’s career because he has been given responsibility that he doesn’t deserve.
 
You have to pick your best available players
And Rizwan isn’t one of them.

You have to be a T20 player to be considered, not a fraud. This isn’t 2019 anymore where Imam is considered as a choice for T20 by Misbah
 
And Rizwan isn’t one of them.

You have to be a T20 player to be considered, not a fraud. This isn’t 2019 anymore where Imam is considered as a choice for T20 by Misbah
Rizwan is miles better than Haris in all formats including T20s. You know this too, but your agenda is more important to you than the truth.
 
Rizwan is miles better than Haris in all formats including T20s. You know this too, but your agenda is more important to you than the truth.
We’ve heard this nonsense before

Pakistan is a miles better T20 team without Rizwan. Accept it.
 
They are wasting him in at lower down he's more effective in top 3 ideally as an opener to take advantage of field restrictions he's useless playing in this position might as well drop him bring in abrar and make farhan keep.
 
Rizwan is miles better than Haris in all formats including T20s. You know this too, but your agenda is more important to you than the truth.
Rizwan is a more solid and dependable batsman than Haris, therefore would be the better pick in a one day or test team, however I'm not sure that is needed in a t20 team, as short, impactful innings hold much more value.

Granted, Haris hasn't shown much consistency, however surely has banked some credit after showing what's he capable of in the WC a few years ago.

At some point we've got to move on from over 30 players (most are probably even older) and can only afford to have so many in the team at one time. T20 is a good breeding ground for youngsters making the transition and if there's any format 'hacks' can do well, then T20 is it.
 
You thought usman was a hack. This guy is next level. No position to play shots. Just wildly swythes across. Definitely he will have his good days much like many T20 hacks going around in the world. Having "intent" is not equivalent to having talent.
 
We have created a settled squad. I wouldn't make any drastic changes until after the world cup.

Back him for a bit and see what he does. Give him the time to see if he is able to pull himself out of his slump. He was touted as a future captain so shouldn't be cut loose so quickly.
I agree withyou.
Although what he said about another player showed his lack of professionalism and intelligence, but we do need to stick with him until after the Asia Cup...

If he starts performing then stick with him, but if he doesn't then a line has to be drawn under his name...
 
We have to be more patient with Haris. Whether people like it or not right now he’s our future. Even if you got Rizwan back he’s 33. He’s not going to be playing for much longer max 5 years if that.

Haris is the only one with Azam that have made a name for themselves in PSL. It is basically at the end of the day a choice between these two. Even if Rizwan comes back for a few years, we will go back to choosing between these two anyway.

Azam is the better talent IMO sadly. You can see it in leagues he strikes the ball more cleanly. But his worse keeping and weight will stop him doing well in international cricket.

The only thing I would say about Haris is I’d only play him in available positions. 3 or 6/7 he’s not blocking anyone. Opening he never should have played, unless he improves he can’t be entrusted to lay a big platform at the top and he was preventing better openers like Farhan/Saim from playing.

I’d play Haris as long as it takes. If Rizwan suddenly goes on a monster run in PSL/domestics with a high sr and average perhaps. But otherwise we look forward.

Hopefully another talent comes up at some point as I don’t really rate Haris too highly. But we have to accept he’s the best young wicket keeping talent we have right now until someone else comes along. And hopefully Haris will improve that we don’t need another option anyway.
 
Haris is an ugly hack player, and I been saying for almost two years now he does not merit a place. The amount of chances has has gotten if tgere were any potential we would had seen it. On his day even Afridi can hit few but do not let those few innings fool anyone.
 
I think his keeping has been better. But his batting needs to be better, however we don’t have many back up options.

Haris needs to be stuck with for the meantime.
 
Haris could be replaced by Khawaja Nafay as the net output might be something similar.

We have very few wicket-keeper hard hitting batters coming up in domestic cricket right now, so Haris might be safe for a couple of years.

He has spent so much time in the system yet still struggles on any pitch other than a complete phatta
 
I agree withyou.
Although what he said about another player showed his lack of professionalism and intelligence, but we do need to stick with him until after the Asia Cup...

If he starts performing then stick with him, but if he doesn't then a line has to be drawn under his name...
Unfortunately the lack of professionalism gets a lot of support in Pakistan. Had we had a proper sporting culture he would have been given a boot to the backside for his media comments.
 
After those comments he made, he signed his own release form there.

Im glad he made those comments, he shot himself in the foot.
 
Who’s going to decide that? Misbah ul Haq? Like he did for Sarfaraz so that Rizwan can ruin Pakistan cricket?
The best thing Misbah did was kicking sarfraz out and than watching you lot cry about it
 
After those comments he made, he signed his own release form there.

Im glad he made those comments, he shot himself in the foot.
The Babar Azam comments?

I don’t think that’s enough to kick him out. I don’t think Babar Azam is that popular anymore for them to do that. Right now it feels like his career is over unless he regains form. Probably why Haris felt safe saying those things.

Sad really. It’s a little disrespectful for a player to come out and say that against a player who has been our best batsman over all three formats for a long number of years. Still, I wouldn’t drop Haris for it even if he shouldn’t be making comments about fellow players.

He needs to get a move away from Peshawar zalmi I think there’s clear issues for Haris there. Might be the reason why he made these comments in the first place.
 
The Babar Azam comments?

I don’t think that’s enough to kick him out. I don’t think Babar Azam is that popular anymore for them to do that. Right now it feels like his career is over unless he regains form. Probably why Haris felt safe saying those things.

Sad really. It’s a little disrespectful for a player to come out and say that against a player who has been our best batsman over all three formats for a long number of years. Still, I wouldn’t drop Haris for it even if he shouldn’t be making comments about fellow players.

He needs to get a move away from Peshawar zalmi I think there’s clear issues for Haris there. Might be the reason why he made these comments in the first place.
His performance has been bad. For some reason the selectors were persisting with him, but now this statement will cause him to finally lose his spot.
 
He is trying to read the spinners from the pitch. Invariably his execution is awful. In 2025 he has made 71 runs 55 balls against spin hitting just 3 sixes. Having said that Rizwan was not better either in 2024. He made 189 runs 170 balls against spin in 2024 hitting just 5 sixes.
 
He signed a release form? @topspin

Bro he's been getting exposed left, right and centre for speaking out of ignorance.

If we look at just today alone, he's been corrected by 4 posters (including myself) on various topics from Stadium Construction, "Imran Nazir being overrated" and then on TP, he wants to give advice on Deen matters from a Liberal/non-religious angle.

If I had to pick my favourite response:

https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...eady-to-host-psl-matches.316152/post-12711256

But even after all this, the penny still hasn't dropped yet. He continues to make a fool out of himself.
 
Bro he's been getting exposed left, right and centre for speaking out of ignorance.

If we look at just today alone, he's been corrected by 4 posters (including myself) on various topics from Stadium Construction, "Imran Nazir being overrated" and then on TP, he wants to give advice on Deen matters from a Liberal/non-religious angle.

If I had to pick my favourite response:

https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...eady-to-host-psl-matches.316152/post-12711256

But even after all this, the penny still hasn't dropped yet. He continues to make a fool out of himself.
Same tier as Caved
 
Haris averages 28 with a strike rate of 162 at no. 3

I think it's time we establish him as our no. 3 going forward and either play Fakhar down the order or let him go.
 
You thought usman was a hack. This guy is next level. No position to play shots. Just wildly swythes across. Definitely he will have his good days much like many T20 hacks going around in the world. Having "intent" is not equivalent to having talent.
The hack will become a superstar if he thrashes an Indian bowler. You guys will be the first to remind the world of the thrashing
 
In Rana G, we believe....atleast till Asia cup
But you are not believing on Pakistan team performance in Asia cup. You're scared a simple match prediction

Btw Haris is only playing from pure " Intent" purpose. Pakistan new strategy of team selection - show the intent , Runs or form doesn't matter much.

:klopp :kp
 
But you are not believing on Pakistan team performance in Asia cup. You're scared a simple match prediction

Btw Haris is only playing from pure " Intent" purpose. Pakistan new strategy of team selection - show the intent , Runs or form doesn't matter much.

:klopp :kp
Fulfill my condition and you got your prediction.... :kp
 
The hack will become a superstar if he thrashes an Indian bowler. You guys will be the first to remind the world of the thrashing
We don't judge if someone is hack or not by looking at technique not having a fluke day against a certain team. No wonder Pakistan fans are confused about what is good batting what is bad batting.
 
Anyone backing this guy has a really bad eye for talent. Easily the worst WK batsman ever. I've seen better players in league cricket.... in Scotland!
 
funny how @Rana sat and watched Rizwan whether he can chase 40 in 2 overs, while Harris over here fails to even get double digits
 
Haris wasn't picking the spinners today, and people want him to bat in the top order? What?
 
90% of this team, including Shaheen are not fit for international cricket.

The sad fact is that there are no better alternatives. Cricket is dead in Pakistan. Sooner people realize this, the easier it will be deal with blowouts by Afghanistan and other minnows.
 
Hack: a batter of generally low skill with an excessively aggressive approach to batting, commonly with a preference towards lofted cross bat shots. A poor defensive stance and lack of defensive strokes are also features of a hack.
 
Hack: a batter of generally low skill with an excessively aggressive approach to batting, commonly with a preference towards lofted cross bat shots. A poor defensive stance and lack of defensive strokes are also features of a hack.
He is not even low skill. He is zero skill.
 
Hack: a batter of generally low skill with an excessively aggressive approach to batting, commonly with a preference towards lofted cross bat shots. A poor defensive stance and lack of defensive strokes are also features of a hack.
Quite a description 👍
 
Haris- hit and hope merchant that comes off now and again

Must be let go of permanently.

We need 1 more solid middle order option, get Farhan to take the gloves and slot Babar in alongside Salman.

Shouldn't bring both Babar and Rizwan back but 1 of them is needed in the middle order.
 
Hack: a batter of generally low skill with an excessively aggressive approach to batting, commonly with a preference towards lofted cross bat shots. A poor defensive stance and lack of defensive strokes are also features of a hack.
Has holed out to half trackers consistently, hacks put them away
 
Haris is still a work-in-progress, more suited for experimental roles or franchise cricket for now.

In his cricketing career till date, he has focused on playing T20 cricket more than the other formats and hasn't prospered as many thought he would as his keeping lacks finesse and batting is quite reckless.
 
We should never have shown any patience with Haris, especially when Rizwan was available. You invest in players who actually know how to play cricket, not a reckless slogger like Mohammad Haris.
 
We should never have shown any patience with Haris, especially when Rizwan was available. You invest in players who actually know how to play cricket, not a reckless slogger like Mohammad Haris.
RizBabar ll be back mostly if Pakistan flops in Asia Cup
 
Haris Rauf picked spinners better than Mohammad Haris lol
Will say it again - give an equal number of chances up the order to any tailender who can slog and they will produce the same amount of runs as Haris, maybe even more. People ignore his incompetence just because he plays with ‘intent’. What use is intent if you can’t last more than 3 balls. I keep hearing ‘he will improve’, ‘needs more time’ etc. The guy has been around for 5 years played around 200 domestic games yet he does not seem to have learned anything. He has been tried at the top of the order, in the middle, and now he is being hidden at 7 in the hopes of an occasional cameo but he never fails to disappoint with his braindead antics. As of now, he has neither the technique nor the temperament or intelligence to prosper at international level regardless of how many chances he is given or which position he is played in.
 
RizBabar ll be back mostly if Pakistan flops in Asia Cup
Honestly, that’s how it looks, but at the end of the day, I just want to see my team win. Like always, I’ll put my brain aside and support Pakistan, hoping for a miracle where we somehow beat India and every other team to lift the Asia Cup. That’s just the way I’ve always supported my cricket team. But I absolutely hate all the corruption and the clowns in the PCB who never manage to unite the team and keep playing politics.
 
Honestly, that’s how it looks, but at the end of the day, I just want to see my team win. Like always, I’ll put my brain aside and support Pakistan, hoping for a miracle where we somehow beat India and every other team to lift the Asia Cup. That’s just the way I’ve always supported my cricket team. But I absolutely hate all the corruption and the clowns in the PCB who never manage to unite the team and keep playing politics.
Elaborate the politics being played out here and who exactly is gaining by this & how?
 
Elaborate the politics being played out here and who exactly is gaining by this & how?
Apologies, I’m not going to repeat the same thing over and over. I’ve written very lengthy posts here over the past several months; if you read them, you’ll get your answer. Thanks.
 
Apologies, I’m not going to repeat the same thing over and over. I’ve written very lengthy posts here over the past several months; if you read them, you’ll get your answer. Thanks.
Can you please provide me the link of any of those posts?
 
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