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How long can Mohammad Amir rest on his talent and once in a blue moon performances?

Simply cannot fathom how Amir is making it into the team. He's nowhere close to the level he was 8 years ago and his bowling has absolutely zero bite. All international teams just see out his opening spell and then smash him when he returns at the death. I would have Junaid Khan in a jiffy in place of Amir as soon as Junaid gets fit. Till how long will we keep playing Amir based on his CT final bowling??? Reminds me of Afridi playing simply because he smashed a 37 ball hundred.
 
Absolute gutless bowler, keeps hitting back of the length with the new ball not trying to get wickets just trying to not get hit for boundaries which he does when he comes back for later spells he might not be that skillful but many bowlers who are less skillful get more wickets its just a case of mindset.In his interviews have seen him defending his lack of swing by pointing out that wickets have become flat and cricket has become fast these statements just show that he thinks there;s nothing wrong with his bowling and being economical is more important.
Another thing which I have noted is bowling from wide of the crease every single delivery and its not somewhere middle of the crease but really wide he
 
Since Amir's comeback:

Tests - Avg of 37.25 and SR of 80.
ODIs - Avg of 31.78, ER of 5.04 and SR of 37.8.
T20IS - Avg of 24.33 and ER of 6.75.
 
yasir said:
Pakistanis are most thankless fans, he has more than 2 performances for sure. He had the best ECO out of all bowlers in T20, in Odi better than all top bowlers, he was the most consistent bowlers from Pakistan, he bowls the fastest, swings the most, not to mention he has bowled more overs than anybody else. It’s not like we have Rabada and Strac on the bench. All others(accept Hasan) are worse than him, what they have done??

Pakistan has defensive mindset, because our batting cannot chase anything above 50. Once you start scoring 300 runs, watch what Amir and Hasan can do for you. Modern day Cricket is 50/50, batsmen has to win 50% of the game, we still win 80/90% games on bowling, that will not work specially on tour to theee conditions.
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Fixed it for you.
 
shariqnoor said:
Simply cannot fathom how Amir is making it into the team. He's nowhere close to the level he was 8 years ago and his bowling has absolutely zero bite. All international teams just see out his opening spell and then smash him when he returns at the death. I would have Junaid Khan in a jiffy in place of Amir as soon as Junaid gets fit. Till how long will we keep playing Amir based on his CT final bowling??? Reminds me of Afridi playing simply because he smashed a 37 ball hundred.
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Replace him with who? There is no new ball bowler besides Amir in Pakistan right now.
 
Amir has destroyed half of Pakistan's chances singlehandedly by his lacklustre bowling with the new bowl. He has alllowed the top 3 kiwis to consolidate. He is not bowling full and his natural wicket taking deliveries, showing zero intent and only selfishly looking after economy rate. He is an even pathetic bowler with the old ball. Amir has been given enormous advantage by bowling into the wind whereas the other bowlers have to bowl against the wind but he is not picking up any wickets. Even Faheem has tried and done well witht he new bowl though he is not a great bowling option.

Amir has underperformed the whole series and looks to be on a PCB paid vacation. Your senior lot ,the 4 batsmen plus bowler Amir have destroyed Pakistan more than New Zealand in the series. And they all have been rewarded by the selector for getting picked for T20 for their pathetic display.
Junaid, Mir Hamza, Sohail Khan are better bowlers than Amir they should be given a chance.
 
Hamstead_joy said:
Amir has destroyed half of Pakistan's chances singlehandedly by his lacklustre bowling with the new bowl. He has alllowed the top 3 kiwis to consolidate. He is not bowling full and his natural wicket taking deliveries, showing zero intent and only selfishly looking after economy rate. He is an even pathetic bowler with the old ball. Amir has been given enormous advantage by bowling into the wind whereas the other bowlers have to bowl against the wind but he is not picking up any wickets. Even Faheem has tried and done well witht he new bowl though he is not a great bowling option.

Amir has underperformed the whole series and looks to be on a PCB paid vacation. Your senior lot ,the 4 batsmen plus bowler Amir have destroyed Pakistan more than New Zealand in the series. And they all have been rewarded by the selector for getting picked for T20 for their pathetic display.
Junaid, Mir Hamza, Sohail Khan are better bowlers than Amir they should be given a chance.
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Junaid was injured.

Sohail Khan is too old and mediocre.

Mir Hamza is a harmless trundler who got smashed around by tail-enders in PSL 2017.

Next batch please?
 
Usman Chadda said:
Junaid was injured.

Sohail Khan is too old and mediocre.

Mir Hamza is a harmless trundler who got smashed around by tail-enders in PSL 2017.

Next batch please?
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same things were said about Junaid when he was bowling last year, so these labels dont really change my opinion.
Many Ppers were questioning his bowling action, his line, his econ. and now all of them are missing him.
Sohail Khan is the best bowler for Pakistan in test and ODI format.
Mir Hamza can move and seam the bowl more than Amir on any given day.
All 3 have played in NEw Zealand and seamed more than what Amir has ever done in this series.

Amir was Pakistan's only option and he underperformed. Even Anwar Ali seamed the bowl more then him in 2015/16 and got wickets. Amir has given the worst ever bowling performance in New Zealand by a Pakistan bowler in the opening spell.
 
Not just good enough

All that hype and expectation. Bowls very negatively
 
Again all Pakistani anger is miss directed, we are not loosing series because of bowling, in this day and time, 300 runs is given, there is no way getting around it...

Yesterday Strac and Cummins were not able to defend 300, they went for 50 runs in first 5 overs, Strac took 2 wickets but by giving 77 runs, Well when Amir gives 70 runs, Pakistan goes for 450 runs, that is the reality...World has change, every team plays with mind set that 300 is given, we are not ready for that reality. No team (AUS/SA/ENG/NZ/IND) can prevent 300, after CT we have again set the bar back 250, this is a wrong mindset, we are going nowhere with this nonsense....

Pakistani batsmen are not done by movement, but by pace, they cannot handle pace, this fab four has never done than in their entire life... You got to bring batsmen who can play short pitch without being scared. Today their is little movement in pitches for ODI, pull/cut become such an important short, Fahim is playing that better than entire team who is coming at no 8...
 
Until there's two more Hasan Ali level of bowlers in ODIs and people trust anyone else as a big match performer over him.

Amir's return, certainly in Tests, has been my biggest cricket disappointment since the premature end of Asif's career.

When he moves the ball with his beautiful smooth action, there are few sights better in contemporary cricket.

Amir may end up being the Flintoff of bowling. Magical when on song, but rarely on song.
 
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yasir said:
Again all Pakistani anger is miss directed, we are not loosing series because of bowling, in this day and time, 300 runs is given, there is no way getting around it...

Yesterday Strac and Cummins were not able to defend 300, they went for 50 runs in first 5 overs, Strac took 2 wickets but by giving 77 runs, Well when Amir gives 70 runs, Pakistan goes for 450 runs, that is the reality...World has change, every team plays with mind set that 300 is given, we are not ready for that reality. No team (AUS/SA/ENG/NZ/IND) can prevent 300, after CT we have again set the bar back 250, this is a wrong mindset, we are going nowhere with this nonsense....

Pakistani batsmen are not done by movement, but by pace, they cannot handle pace, this fab four has never done than in their entire life... You got to bring batsmen who can play short pitch without being scared. Today their is little movement in pitches for ODI, pull/cut become such an important short, Fahim is playing that better than entire team who is coming at no 8...
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POTW for me. Couldn't agree more.
 
The role he's been given is to be a defensive bowler who keeps the economy minimal and in that respect he's done a brilliant job.

It is upto the Pakistan management to get him to attack because with his pace (145kph) and skills he has the ability to run through bowling attacks. It seems since his return last year his aggression has gone probably influenced by the fact that PCB want him to keep a low profile.

When he's at the face of the batsman and pumped in the big games like he was in the CT final that's when you'll see the best of him.

2019 WC I would back him to have a good tournament. What Pakistan needs is a better bowler than Raees and Junaid Khan at the other end. Shame we couldn't see Shinwari because he seems to be the best left armer out of these 3.
 
Mamoon said:
It is true that he often appears to be disinterested, but there is also a recurring pattern to his performances. The problem here is that his hype was so astronomical that it is difficult for people to come to terms with reality.

I am not talking about you personally, but a lot of people are simply living in denial mode now. The notion that Amir is not the bowler they thought he was or will be is a very bitter pill to swallow.

The ban obviously hasn’t helped either, since it has simply raised expectations. He was booted out right after his best series, and we never saw him inevitably struggle in the UAE later on.

Imagine Umar getting banned after his first year in international cricket. Most fans would have been adamant that Pakistan got robbed of an elite batsman.

Now obviously Amir hasn’t fallen to Umar’s level and never will, but he is not as good as his hype, and it should be clear two years into his comeback.

The notion that he lacks motivation and all that is true to an extent, but there is also a lack of ability and skill when it comes to his struggles on flat pitches. He is not at the level of some of the best fast bowlers in the world today.
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I think what he lacks is aggression which we saw in that CT final and I strongly believe PCB and management want him to keep a low profile which has inevitably meant he's modelled himself into a defensive bowler who can switch it up in big ICC tournament matches where he holds an excellent record - WT20 2009, CT 2009 and CT last year.
 
yasir said:
Again all Pakistani anger is miss directed, we are not loosing series because of bowling, in this day and time, 300 runs is given, there is no way getting around it...

Yesterday Strac and Cummins were not able to defend 300, they went for 50 runs in first 5 overs, Strac took 2 wickets but by giving 77 runs, Well when Amir gives 70 runs, Pakistan goes for 450 runs, that is the reality...World has change, every team plays with mind set that 300 is given, we are not ready for that reality. No team (AUS/SA/ENG/NZ/IND) can prevent 300, after CT we have again set the bar back 250, this is a wrong mindset, we are going nowhere with this nonsense....

Pakistani batsmen are not done by movement, but by pace, they cannot handle pace, this fab four has never done than in their entire life... You got to bring batsmen who can play short pitch without being scared. Today their is little movement in pitches for ODI, pull/cut become such an important short, Fahim is playing that better than entire team who is coming at no 8...
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This one. Totally agreed.
 
Pakistan don't need him as another defensive option. He needs to be a bowler who attacks and looks for wickets even if he goes for a few runs.

At the moment he does not look threatening, looks confused regarding his role and his rarely troubling the batsmen.
 
Let me point out the problem with Amir's bowling. Forget his wickets column for a second (I'll come back to it later). The fact of the matter is, his bowling has ZERO threat and he has rarely troubled any batsman. All batsmen are playing him with ease. Is he beating their bat a lot? NO. Is he getting any swing? NO. Is he bowling in the correct channel which will allow him to pick up wickets? NO.

How can an opening bowler, your STRIKE bowler, be this defensive and bowl short of the length ALL the time? People saying he's just another defensive option who keeps a decent economy rate are missing the point. If he is to perform that role, then he should NOT be our opening bowler and should be bowling during the middle overs. So far I have not seen Amir pitching the ball up since his return. 2 performances to speak of in the last 2 years just doesn't cut the mustard.

Coming to his wickets column, do I even need to say anything? He can't buy a wicket to save his life, especially when it comes to top/middle order. All the other bowlers, even the so called less talented ones like Faheem, Rumman have done more than Amir in this series and before that as well.

The only reason this hasn't been made an issue as of yet is because other bowlers like Hassan have been covering up for him, and also the fact that he's been given the golden boy treatment by our team management, our media and the fans themselves. The moment we go on a bad losing run (9 consecutive victories before this) and his performances are highlighted, mark my words, people will wake up and smell the coffee.
 
Look like you guys doesn’t understand how hard it is for fast bowlers to bowl on these tracks.

If you want an idea just look at how did Starc and Cummins yesterday vs England.
 
People don't understand how hard it is to play all three formats regularly as 140+kph bowler.

Amir is doing fine. He has not lost any of his skills or pace. Not his fault that its almost always bowlers who are expected to recover marches. And imo he doesn't seem to have clear directives given by team management. He should used as primary strike bowler.
 
If it's hard for every fast bowler to pick up wickets on these decks then they should be going wicketless in almost every match like Amir does. But they don't. Time to stop making excuses for him and his mediocrity. If we wanted a bowler in our side who could contain runs, Imad does a much better job at it AND usually gives us a wicket or two at the top. It is not your primary strike bowler's job to contain, it's absurd.
 
Amir really needs to be dropped, but sadly that CT final performance will keep him on the side for at least another year. Hope the selectors realize dropping him now and asking him to work on his game will be gold for him in the future.
 
The issue with Amir is he is just not learning. A strike bowler bowling that length is criminal. You are literally wasting the new ball when you don't allow it to swing at all. No one will bash him if he goes for runs in a few games as long as he strikes early in the rest of the games. Not sure what the bowling coach is doing or if Amir reverts to his defensive rubbish even after countles practice.
 
Watching Amir bowl has become an eyesore. Not even kidding. The moment he comes on to bowl I feel like switching the channel. It's inexplicable, every delivery is the same. EVERY DELIVERY.
 
Mohd Amir has conned an entire nation, he is a fraud, a cheat off the field and on it. Honestly speaking it irks me to see him play game after game when the likes of Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan get dropped after just one bad game while Amir plays uninterrupted every game without any fear of losing his place in the side.
 
He should be dropped for the next match and let Aamir Yamin play.

Extremely poor bowling by him.
 
There is a reason why I created this thread. This guy must go back to domestic and work on his basics.
His attitude stinks and seems to have little interest and takes playing for Pak as a joke.
 
PCB is responsible for Hasan's downfall by letting him play all useless franchise leagues and too soft on Amir who was playing without performing. Babar is also heading like another Azhar/Shafiq and needs to be dropped from the squad.
 
deems said:
There is a reason why I created this thread. This guy must go back to domestic and work on his basics.
His attitude stinks and seems to have little interest and takes playing for Pak as a joke.
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I think he does not have anything to offer. His bowling limitation has been exposed. Even Mustafiz has better prospect than him. Really disappointed!!!!!
 
yasir said:
Again all Pakistani anger is miss directed, we are not loosing series because of bowling, in this day and time, 300 runs is given, there is no way getting around it...

Yesterday Strac and Cummins were not able to defend 300, they went for 50 runs in first 5 overs, Strac took 2 wickets but by giving 77 runs, Well when Amir gives 70 runs, Pakistan goes for 450 runs, that is the reality...World has change, every team plays with mind set that 300 is given, we are not ready for that reality. No team (AUS/SA/ENG/NZ/IND) can prevent 300, after CT we have again set the bar back 250, this is a wrong mindset, we are going nowhere with this nonsense....

Pakistani batsmen are not done by movement, but by pace, they cannot handle pace, this fab four has never done than in their entire life... You got to bring batsmen who can play short pitch without being scared. Today their is little movement in pitches for ODI, pull/cut become such an important short, Fahim is playing that better than entire team who is coming at no 8...
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Its not about us losing the series, its about being Amir not effective and looking toothless for sometime now. He is rated all around the world so he should be able to win matches for Pakistan.
 
The problem is that the fans in this part of the world are too fickle, and always keep waiting for heroes to emerge. When the players fail, they keep making excuses to somehow back their players, & when the number of failures increase & their blue eyed players are axed, they simply wait for some time, & then start hyping up these players, as if their axing was a grave injustice to the awaam, & keep glorifying their old performances to remind us about how good these players were.

Amir is a living example of above.
 
Getting banned for 5 years was good for Amir in hindsight. He would have been history by now if he wouldn't have been caught fixing. Not playing for 5 years has allowed him to keep his reputation intact, thanks to an English summer in supreme bowling conditions.

He has always struggled to get wickets on flat decks. Yes he blew India away in the Champions Trophy, but many bowlers will look like lions defend 340 in a final.

Let alone Wasim, he is not in the class of Starc, Boult, Rabada, Hazlewood etc.
 
Mamoon said:
Getting banned for 5 years was good for Amir in hindsight. He would have been history by now if he wouldn't have been caught fixing. Not playing for 5 years has allowed him to keep his reputation intact, thanks to an English summer in supreme bowling conditions.

He has always struggled to get wickets on flat decks. Yes he blew India away in the Champions Trophy, but many bowlers will look like lions defend 340 in a final.

Let alone Wasim, he is not in the class of Starc, Boult, Rabada, Hazlewood etc.
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I have a feeling Amir will fade into oblivion in the same way like Rahat Ali, Mohd Sami e.t.c
 
Savak said:
I have a feeling Amir will fade into oblivion in the same way like Rahat Ali, Mohd Sami e.t.c
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He won't. We worship heroes and stars, and he is both for the gullible Pakistani fans. He will get a free ride for the rest of his career. He will never be dropped.
 
Shafi said:
PCB is responsible for Hasan's downfall by letting him play all useless franchise leagues and too soft on Amir who was playing without performing. Babar is also heading like another Azhar/Shafiq and needs to be dropped from the squad.
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Hassan’s downfall? What are you smoking lol

Boult went for 63 today I guess his career is over too
 
Mamoon said:
He won't. We worship heroes and stars, and he is both for the gullible Pakistani fans. He will get a free ride for the rest of his career. He will never be dropped.
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The fairytale is over, people are losing patience with him big time.
 
Amir is averaging 32.90 in ODI since his return. But he is still performing enough to hold on to his spot in the XI :amir2
 
Amir is repetitive. Too predictable. He's not economical, he is just not threatening at all. He has the skill to bowl with the new ball, but for some reason he is content on bowling short. What is Azhar Mahmood doing I wonder. It really is too obvious now. If you dont let the ball swing, how do you expect to take wickets?
 
Amir has lost us another series after Test series v weak Sri Lanka . Our ignorant fan following should've opened their eyes when he lost Pakistan the test and opted in name of shin injury. Pakistan actually performed very well when Amir was not in the team, his absence was a blessing Pakistan decimated Sri Lanka in the ODIs without this guy. Its true other younger bowlers have issues but they showed responsiblity and TRIED, this was their first tour and they bowled with disadvantage of bowling against the wind, were shifted drastically for spells, etc..
In 4 matches he played
Amir has taken 2 wickets at an average of staggering 72.50 this is the worst average by any Pakistani bowler on this series or previous. His economy rate is only 5.17 due to that reduced match in Nelson but it shows economy rate never help the team win.

He was relied on as Pakistan's main bowler with the new bowl, given easier conditions to bowl with the wind he failed to take any wicket with the new bowl.

The other bowlers some experts here think less of , have taken more wickets and with the new bowl. Rumman has taken 5 and Faheem took wicket with the new bowl even though this was their first tour. This is the second time Amir has been poor, he did same bowling in last year Test series v Sri Lanka. If Pakistan wants to win need to see Amir dropped. After 2 disastrous series he has no place in the team.

Amir, Shoaib Malik, Hafeez, Azhar Ali and Babar Azam [so-called seniors] have been a 'joint' problem for Pakistan team and the selector Inzamam has done even more damage. These 5 alongwith chief selector need to go or else we are done and dusted for the England Tour.
 
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Mamoon said:
Getting banned for 5 years was good for Amir in hindsight. He would have been history by now if he wouldn't have been caught fixing. Not playing for 5 years has allowed him to keep his reputation intact, thanks to an English summer in supreme bowling conditions.
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It hasn't made a difference, really. Sure, it delayed his decline by 5 years but considering he didn't bowl a single ball for 5 years....unless you are referring to his reputation as some sort of king of fast bowling, which persisted during the intervening time.

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He has always struggled to get wickets on flat decks. Yes he blew India away in the Champions Trophy, but many bowlers will look like lions defend 340 in a final.
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True this. Pakistan had a strong ally in that bowling innings - scoreboard pressure.
 
You do realise that just like Hafeez has saved his spot, Amir will bag three wickets in the final ODI to fool the fans once more.
 
Yesterday, I was very frustrated at his back of the length from ball one, hitting exact same defensive length, ball after ball. I don't get why he is doing that, its not like he cannot bowl fuller length? Everybody was annoyed by his length, Waqar, fans, NZ commentators. Best time to get wicket is first 3 overs, he wasted that on back of length.That has got to be changed, he is ruining is career, this cannot go on for long...Others with lesser capability are atleast trying to take wickets, he is not doing that. I cannot imagine he does not understand that. These defensive tactics have gone too far...As a fan I am very disappointed!!
 
Deserves to be benched. He needs a reminder, the fame has made him arrogant it seems.
 
His performances have been mediocre. Not sure if he should be dropped though.
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] amir.s post ban stats are 25 odi 32 wickets with average of 33 and economy of 5.07...trash ...
 
As a big fan of Amir myself, I must say that he must be dropped for now.
You can't have a player who only decides to turn it up when he wants to.
That 1 t20 that was played in Pakistan against SL he bowled really well.
You could see that he was running in hard and was giving it his everything, was pitching the ball up and got swing. And thiw whole series he has been bowling short of a length even with the new ball.
 
Despite Munro's charge his opening figures were 5-1-23-0; from commentary I can see that it was 6 in 3 & 12 in 4. Then, taken out for a long period.

I think, he needs to bowl longer with newish balls - may be 7+3 with all 10 inside 35 or 6+2+2 (5+3+2) & first 8 inside 25. Besides, he bowled 2 short in 3rd ODI despite bowling well, while only he could have bowled max 8 again last night (wonder why wasn't brought just when G'homme came - he had 5 left) - this indicates a lack of trust from Captain for his premier pacer.

It's not working for him, but I don't see any better replacement either; Hasan & Raees went for a beating, while I need to see Shinwari first against teams other than Tharanga's Lanka. Had Ul Haq picked one more pacer, I would have rested Amir for last one.
 
Another lethargic, mediocre and lifeless performance from Amir in the 4th ODI.
 
MMHS said:
Despite Munro's charge his opening figures were 5-1-23-0; from commentary I can see that it was 6 in 3 & 12 in 4. Then, taken out for a long period.

I think, he needs to bowl longer with newish balls - may be 7+3 with all 10 inside 35 or 6+2+2 (5+3+2) & first 8 inside 25. Besides, he bowled 2 short in 3rd ODI despite bowling well, while only he could have bowled max 8 again last night (wonder why wasn't brought just when G'homme came - he had 5 left) - this indicates a lack of trust from Captain for his premier pacer.

It's not working for him, but I don't see any better replacement either; Hasan & Raees went for a beating, while I need to see Shinwari first against teams other than Tharanga's Lanka. Had Ul Haq picked one more pacer, I would have rested Amir for last one.
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Don't let his economical zulfiqar babar style bowling fool you. He is ineffective with the new ball. I find it unfair about how the likes of Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan, Junaid Khan keep getting punished for 1-2 off days while Amir keeps getting chance after chance after chance without any accountability for his performances.
 
Saj said:
Another lethargic, mediocre and lifeless performance from Amir in the 4th ODI.
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Saving his best for games that matter, bilaterals are all pointless. Also, we saw more fire from him in the England stint here because they paid him quiet well; maybe the PCB should revamp the worth of his contract.
 
What I dislike about Amir is that as soon as ball gets 4 overs old he returns to defensive lines. We need wicket taking bowlers to support our sluggish batting.
 
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Saving his best for games that matter, bilaterals are all pointless. Also, we saw more fire from him in the England stint here because they paid him quiet well; maybe the PCB should revamp the worth of his contract.
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If he cannot get motivated for ALL matches where he is representing his country then he should be dropped until he realises that ALL international matches matter, not just the ones where there is the possibility of a lucrative contract.
 
Savak said:
Don't let his economical zulfiqar babar style bowling fool you. He is ineffective with the new ball. I find it unfair about how the likes of Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan, Junaid Khan keep getting punished for 1-2 off days while Amir keeps getting chance after chance after chance without any accountability for his performances.
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Does the number tells that? He still has the best economy and 2nd best average of 28. Over all team is poor and too old, with several deserving players - take out Amir, PAK doesn't make CT semi Final, neither win 1st Test Series in WI.
 
He is still in the team because of 09/10 reputation. Since his comeback he has bowled short of length and legside rubbish. Pure garbage.
 
Knock him down few pedestals and bench him.

No wickets .... no place in team. Wickets win games not the economy rate.
 
MMHS said:
Does the number tells that? He still has the best economy and 2nd best average of 28. Over all team is poor and too old, with several deserving players - take out Amir, PAK doesn't make CT semi Final, neither win 1st Test Series in WI.
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I don't think this line of thinking is right. If we take out Hasan Ali, the match against SL in the Champions Trophy would have been a dead rubber, irrespective of Amir's so-called heroics against SL.

He was the only wicket-less bowler against SA, and if the other bowlers would have been wicket-less like Amir, Pakistan would have lost the first two games and would have been on the plane back home, regardless of the outcome of the SL match.

Amir is bowling poorly at the moment, and there is no bite in his bowling. He will never be dropped from the team from multiple reasons, but he should not be shielded from much deserved criticism.
 
Mamoon said:
I don't think this line of thinking is right. If we take out Hasan Ali, the match against SL in the Champions Trophy would have been a dead rubber, irrespective of Amir's so-called heroics against SL.

He was the only wicket-less bowler against SA, and if the other bowlers would have been wicket-less like Amir, Pakistan would have lost the first two games and would have been on the plane back home, regardless of the outcome of the SL match.

Amir is bowling poorly at the moment, and there is no bite in his bowling. He will never be dropped from the team from multiple reasons, but he should not be shielded from much deserved criticism.
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There is not much option left actually - you think JK or Shinwari would have done better? Most PAK pacers don't have the fundamental skills to take the new ball - all they wait for the ball to rough up & then use unconventional grip to cut or reverse the ball. This guy at least is a proper new ball bowler, who is bowling at least 1 foot short on average - that needs to be sorted.

I think, he does get enough criticism, sometimes undue as well. Here the question is probably on his selection in XI - he obviously is no Wasim Akram, but find someone remotely close to him, he can be dropped. You can't imagine what magic Kiwi openers would do if Raees, Shinwari or JK opening bowling with 2 new balls .....
 
Savak said:
Don't let his economical zulfiqar babar style bowling fool you. He is ineffective with the new ball. I find it unfair about how the likes of Rahat Ali, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan, Junaid Khan keep getting punished for 1-2 off days while Amir keeps getting chance after chance after chance without any accountability for his performances.
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Rahat Ali didn't have an off day. He had an off career.
 
MMHS said:
There is not much option left actually - you think JK or Shinwari would have done better? Most PAK pacers don't have the fundamental skills to take the new ball - all they wait for the ball to rough up & then use unconventional grip to cut or reverse the ball. This guy at least is a proper new ball bowler, who is bowling at least 1 foot short on average - that needs to be sorted.

I think, he does get enough criticism, sometimes undue as well. Here the question is probably on his selection in XI - he obviously is no Wasim Akram, but find someone remotely close to him, he can be dropped. You can't imagine what magic Kiwi openers would do if Raees, Shinwari or JK opening bowling with 2 new balls .....
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This is wrong line of thinking completely. If the existing options are not performing you try new options. And you keep trying. Go back to domestics and find the top performing bowlers who are in line after JK. Everyone was sure the pipeline was dry and then we found Hasan. Give Sadaf five games, if it does not work, try the next one and so on.
 
New Yorker said:
This is wrong line of thinking completely. If the existing options are not performing you try new options. And you keep trying. Go back to domestics and find the top performing bowlers who are in line after JK. Everyone was sure the pipeline was dry and then we found Hasan. Give Sadaf five games, if it does not work, try the next one and so on.
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True, completely agree - that why in every such dream team thread I do keep posting that bring couple of genuine U23 pacers - Sameen Gul, SS Afrid, .... even this kid Arshad Iqbal, so that they can challenge the comfort zone (players sitting on).

Problem is when posters think there are lots of low hanging talunt of fast bowling available ..... while Ul Haq thinks if not Amir then Sohail, Whab, Imran (not the 1952 born one) or Gul ...... even Sami is not out out of sight.

Amir isn't the biggest problem in this team - move on. If I were in charge, I would have made him Captain & build a team around him - that's my personal opinion and you know that I don't write for trolling.
 
MMHS said:
True, completely agree - that why in every such dream team thread I do keep posting that bring couple of genuine U23 pacers - Sameen Gul, SS Afrid, .... even this kid Arshad Iqbal, so that they can challenge the comfort zone (players sitting on).

Problem is when posters think there are lots of low hanging talunt of fast bowling available ..... while Ul Haq thinks if not Amir then Sohail, Whab, Imran (not the 1952 born one) or Gul ...... even Sami is not out out of sight.

Amir isn't the biggest problem in this team - move on. If I were in charge, I would have made him Captain & build a team around him - that's my personal opinion and you know that I don't write for trolling.
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M Amir was offered karachi kings captaincy but he didn't accept it
 
shebimalik said:
M Amir was offered karachi kings captaincy but he didn't accept it
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Don't know the details, but they have a bad reputation with Captaincy.

He'll take PAK captaincy for sure, if responsibility with proper authority is handed. And, Arthur will be more than happy to work with someone who has best 4/5 years still left in the game and who makes the XI on playing merit.
 
To be honest I predicted all this when everyone was crying for his inclusion.

All he cares about is himself.

Needs to be dropped.
 
Saj said:
If he cannot get motivated for ALL matches where he is representing his country then he should be dropped until he realises that ALL international matches matter, not just the ones where there is the possibility of a lucrative contract.
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The fact is that not all matches matter, only tournament games and the ones involving India do. For these Amir will be motivated, otherwise they need to pay him well to be bothered about the pointless bilateral series which have nothing at stake; plus we've qualified for the world cup to so nothing to really play for is there besides superficial ranking points which don't mean anything unless you can back it up with a ICC trophy.
 
shaz619 said:
The fact is that not all matches matter, only tournament games and the ones involving India do. For these Amir will be motivated, otherwise they need to pay him well to be bothered about the pointless bilateral series which have nothing at stake; plus we've qualified for the world cup to so nothing to really play for is there besides superficial ranking points which don't mean anything unless you can back it up with a ICC trophy.
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Are you having a laugh?
 
shaz619 said:
The fact is that not all matches matter, only tournament games and the ones involving India do. For these Amir will be motivated, otherwise they need to pay him well to be bothered about the pointless bilateral series which have nothing at stake; plus we've qualified for the world cup to so nothing to really play for is there besides superficial ranking points which don't mean anything unless you can back it up with a ICC trophy.
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2 jootay khaayega, theek ho jayega.
 
shaz619 said:
The fact is that not all matches matter, only tournament games and the ones involving India do. For these Amir will be motivated, otherwise they need to pay him well to be bothered about the pointless bilateral series which have nothing at stake; plus we've qualified for the world cup to so nothing to really play for is there besides superficial ranking points which don't mean anything unless you can back it up with a ICC trophy.
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The fact is you are representing your country and if you cannot be bothered to give 100% in every single match then you do not deserve to be playing for your country.
 
Saj said:
The fact is you are representing your country and if you cannot be bothered to give 100% in every single match then you do not deserve to be playing for your country.
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Is there any credence to the story that Amir wanted to quit test cricket and spoke about it to the team management in the WI? No smoke without fire.

I personally feel he is just not as good as people felt he was. Even RP Singh looked like the second coming of Hadlee in England in 2007. Amir is just not capable of spells like Akhtar vs Australia Colombo 2002, Akhtar vs West Indies in Sharjah 2002, Akhtar vs Bangladesh Peshawar 2003, Akhtar vs England 2005-06.

I have not seen him reverse swing the ball at pace in his entire comeback, his swing disipates after 2 overs with the new ball, he can't keep his speeds up consistently in all spells, no concept of setting the batsman up which he was developing while playing alongside Asif.
 
Savak said:
Is there any credence to the story that Amir wanted to quit test cricket and spoke about it to the team management in the WI? No smoke without fire.

I personally feel he is just not as good as people felt he was. Even RP Singh looked like the second coming of Hadlee in England in 2007. Amir is just not capable of spells like Akhtar vs Australia Colombo 2002, Akhtar vs West Indies in Sharjah 2002, Akhtar vs Bangladesh Peshawar 2003, Akhtar vs England 2005-06.

I have not seen him reverse swing the ball at pace in his entire comeback, his swing disipates after 2 overs with the new ball, he can't keep his speeds up consistently in all spells, no concept of setting the batsman up which he was developing while playing alongside Asif.
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There is no bowler in world cricket right now who can bowl such spells. Amir's issues aren't that he cant run through sides, it's more to do with his defensive mindset that creeps in consistently.
 
Is there any credence to the story that Amir wanted to quit test cricket and spoke about it to the team management in the WI? No smoke without fire.
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I asked him in an interview and he denied this.
 
Savak said:
Is there any credence to the story that Amir wanted to quit test cricket and spoke about it to the team management in the WI? No smoke without fire.

I personally feel he is just not as good as people felt he was. Even RP Singh looked like the second coming of Hadlee in England in 2007. Amir is just not capable of spells like Akhtar vs Australia Colombo 2002, Akhtar vs West Indies in Sharjah 2002, Akhtar vs Bangladesh Peshawar 2003, Akhtar vs England 2005-06.

I have not seen him reverse swing the ball at pace in his entire comeback, his swing disipates after 2 overs with the new ball, he can't keep his speeds up consistently in all spells, no concept of setting the batsman up which he was developing while playing alongside Asif.
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And yet he achieved so much more then shoaib did.
Shoaib akhtar for all the talk failed BIG time in 2003.

Amir brings his A game when playing the team we all love to beat.
 
pakistani pride said:
And yet he achieved so much more then shoaib did.
Shoaib akhtar for all the talk failed BIG time in 2003.

Amir brings his A game when playing the team we all love to beat.
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Moot point, Amir is not even 10% of the bowler Shoaib was.
 
MMHS said:
Don't know the details, but they have a bad reputation with Captaincy.

He'll take PAK captaincy for sure, if responsibility with proper authority is handed. And, Arthur will be more than happy to work with someone who has best 4/5 years still left in the game and who makes the XI on playing merit.
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Next captain needs to be selected on merit. Hasan,Babar,Shadab,Amir,and Fakahr fit the bill. Can't afford another situation were best captain since IK shouldn't make the team on fitness. Haven't even spoken about batting or keeping.......
 
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