How long can Pakistan persist with these batsmen?

[Junaids]

ABID ALI
Age: 33
9 Tests
2 centuries (in the first 2 Tests, v Sri Lanka)
1 fifty
Average 41.53

Subtracting Sri Lanka:
7 Tests
0 hundreds, 1 fifty, 10 scores under 50
Average 19.90

AZHAR ALI since his 33rd birthday
22 Tests
39 innings
3 hundreds, 5 fifties, 16 dismissals under 10, 34 innings under 50,
Average 31.83

FAWAD ALAM since his recall, now 35 years old
4 Tests
1 hundred, 0 fifties, 3 dismissals under 10
Average 25.00

How can Pakistan carry three of their top five batsmen failing so often?

For every time that Azhar and Fawad reach 50, they fail to reach double figures twice as often (Azhar) or three times as often (Fawad)!

While Abid Ali averages under 20 except against Sri Lanka.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

You've got the ages wrong - Need to add +3 to what they have stated.

 

[Junaids]

I just don't understand how any team can hope to win when 3 of their 5 specialist batsmen are old men averaging:

19.90
31.83
25.00

I just don't get it. These guys make Asad Shafiq look like Sachin Tendulkar!

 

[Fireworks11]

Deffo +2 to 4 years in reality.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

I just don't understand how any team can hope to win when 3 of their 5 specialist batsmen are old men averaging:

19.90
31.83
25.00

I just don't get it. These guys make Asad Shafiq look like Sachin Tendulkar!

How can you expect a team to compete in a format that they barely play in a year compared to the rest

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Deffo +2 to 4 years in reality.

Welcome back buddy

 

[Fireworks11]

Welcome back buddy

Thanks. Abid really needs a big score in next innings otherwise his place is under threat.

 

[Abdullah]

Shan and imam should be opening the batting.

 

[Rayyman]

Average age of this Pakistan XI is 29.4

And that is with an older spinner over a younger pacer.

I am all for a predominantly young team. But you cannot have all newbies.

You need at least 1-2 seniors. Right now that is Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam.

No doubt, Abid Ali is on the hot seat.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

Thanks. Abid really needs a big score in next innings otherwise his place is under threat.

Indeed he's in need of a big score.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Can Rohail Nazir come in ? I heard Junaids say he was a much better batsmen than Rishabh Pant, so he must be good and deserves a chance ?

 

[Esfahani]

so you're gonna ignore Babar who's just dismissed for 7 at the end of the day and having much worse slump than Azhar Ali (who's currently still at the crease)... all with a nice rest and not playing for a tough 1.5 Test series

Mark my words: Azhar Ali will make you pay for bashing him.

 

[DeadBall]

Two out of these three are the ones who actually scored something in NZ while the third seems to be a HTB for all intents and purposes.

Who do you want them to be replaced with? And don't say Umar Akmal.

 

[DeadBall]

so you're gonna ignore Babar who's just dismissed for 7 at the end of the day and having much worse slump than Azhar Ali (who's currently still at the crease)...

Mark my words: Azhar Ali will make you pay for bashing me.

It's just one inning after a long lay off. Jeez. Although it was a pretty lazy/rusty/uninterested shot tbh, lets see if he has learned anything and what he does in the second innings.

 

[Esfahani]

It's just one inning after a long lay off. Jeez. Although it was a pretty lazy/rusty/uninterested shot tbh, lets see if he has learned anything and what he does in the second innings.

Well Babar hasn't played since ENG... and Azhar Ali has outperformed him massively there... you will see today how much he will eclipse Babar again and again in the sport of Test cricket

 

[Titan24]

Azhar (Who has years in international cricket) aside the problem I have with other two is that you are not supposed to be developing for future in international cricket at 35 and 33 years of age.

I dont mind struggles and losses if a player can offer some decent amount of future years if he finds his feet at international level which unfortunately we are not going to get with Fawad and Abid. I would rather want Pak to to do well or even struggle with Saud and Imam/Haider in the team as in both the circumstances it will add the something to them and they can serve Pak for the years to come.

I dont think many teams in the history would have 3 players of age 33+ with less than 10 test matches in the playing XI. Yes you can have a one off exceptional late boomer or so but 3 is a bit too much.

Definitely you shouldn't be playing players after 2-3 FC matches but, at the same time future and long term team development should also be a criteria for selection which would mean selecting players with decent FC experience and at the age where they have enough years left in them to represent their national team at international level if it works out.

These players are part of series currently so I hope all of them deliver but, in the long run there should be more planning and perspective involved to create a better balance without compromising on the performances at international level.

 

[Esfahani]

Azhar (Who has years in international cricket) aside the problem I have with other two is that you are not supposed to be developing for future in international cricket at 35 and 33 years of age.

I dont mind struggles and losses if a player can offer some decent amount of future years if he finds his feet at international level which unfortunately we are not going to get with Fawad and Abid. I would rather want Pak to to do well or even struggle with Saud and Imam/Haider in the team as in both the circumstances it will add the something to them and they can serve Pak for the years to come.

I dont think many teams in the history would have 3 players of age 33+ with less than 10 test matches in the playing XI. Yes you can have a one off exceptional late boomer or so but 3 is a bit too much.

Definitely you shouldn't be playing players after 2-3 FC matches but, at the same time future and long term team development should also be a criteria for selection which would mean selecting players with decent FC experience and at the age where they have enough years left in them to represent their national team at international level if it works out.

These players are part of series currently so I hope all of them deliver but, in the long run there should be more planning and perspective involved to create a better balance without compromising on the performances at international level.

A guy named "Fawad Alam" isn't just a "player of age 33+ with less than 10 test matches"...

He's a much more complex and high-class batsman... Mind you, still at the crease!

What about "youngster" Babar and Butt who have thrown their wickets away?

 

[DeadBall]

Well Babar hasn't played since ENG... and Azhar Ali has outperformed him massively there... you will see today how much he will eclipse Babar again and again in the sport of Test cricket

You seem to have an agenda like most Pakistani supporters and media. I just want all of our players to do well and win.

 

[Esfahani]

You seem to have an agenda like most Pakistani supporters and media. I just want all of our players to do well and win.

I am the most fair opinionated comment so far...

Why is Azhar and Fawad being bashed while they are at the crease?

Does not make any sense at all.

Stats and mathematics logic support Azhar and Fawad are outperforming Babar.

 

[DeadBall]

I am the most fair opinionated comment so far...

Why is Azhar and Fawad being bashed while they are at the crease?

Does not make any sense at all.

Stats and mathematics logic support Azhar and Fawad are outperforming Babar.

Just because others are bashing Azhar and Fawad doesn't mean that you have to bash Babar.

 

[DeadBall]

Anyway, I am sensing a lead of 150 plus tomorrow.

 

[Esfahani]

Just because others are bashing Azhar and Fawad doesn't mean that you have to bash Babar.

Criticism should be directed where it needs to be

 

[Esfahani]

Anyway, I am sensing a lead of 150 plus tomorrow.

Yea thanks to a 100/100 from Fawad/Azhar

 

[Junaids]

Average age of this Pakistan XI is 29.4

And that is with an older spinner over a younger pacer.

I am all for a predominantly young team. But you cannot have all newbies.

You need at least 1-2 seniors. Right now that is Azhar Ali and Fawad Alam.

No doubt, Abid Ali is on the hot seat.

I never advocate for youngsters. I am outraged at the selection of all these teenage kids.

I advocate for a core of guys aged 21-29, with 1 or 2 or 3 older players if they are performing CONSISTENTLY.

But none of these guys are performing consistently. They are consistently getting out for single figures 2 or 3 times as often as they reach 50.

When I look at Pakistan players over 30, if I had to rank them in terms of their performance and "right" to be selected on merit I don't see anyone whose performances are good enough to be selected.

By all means pick seniors who are performing. But none of Pakistan's seniors are performing, so why pick them?

 

[DeadBall]

I never advocate for youngsters. I am outraged at the selection of all these teenage kids.

I advocate for a core of guys aged 21-29, with 1 or 2 or 3 older players if they are performing CONSISTENTLY.

You've been literally crying for Rohail Nazir's inclusion of late like you're related to him or something.

 

[Romali_rotti]

You've been literally crying for Rohail Nazir's inclusion of late like you're related to him or something.

@ Junaids,

What made you think Rohail Nazir was a better player than Pant ? If you were trolling, then its all good, however if you really believed what you are saying, this is quite concerning, considering your knowledge of cricket is supposed to be quite thorough...

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think ppl need to cut Pakistan some slack here, this is their first game back in Pakistan in what over a decade ?.. Even if Pak loses this test match, I expect them to bounce back with atleast a drawn series if they cannot win it...

 

[moghul]

Can Rohail Nazir come in ? I heard Junaids say he was a much better batsmen than Rishabh Pant, so he must be good and deserves a chance ?

Does Junaid Khan plays for Northern ? I thought he played for KP .

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Azhar and Fawad have performed in NZ and are the only other batsmen apart from Babar and Rizwan that fans have any hopes on. If you remove them, who are we gonna play with? Abid’s time is surely running out.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Does Junaid Khan plays for Northern ? I thought he played for KP .

I was referring to the OP, poster Junaids.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

ABID ALI
Age: 33
9 Tests
2 centuries (in the first 2 Tests, v Sri Lanka)
1 fifty
Average 41.53

Subtracting Sri Lanka:
7 Tests
0 hundreds, 1 fifty, 10 scores under 50
Average 19.90

AZHAR ALI since his 33rd birthday
22 Tests
39 innings
3 hundreds, 5 fifties, 16 dismissals under 10, 34 innings under 50,
Average 31.83

FAWAD ALAM since his recall, now 35 years old
4 Tests
1 hundred, 0 fifties, 3 dismissals under 10
Average 25.00

How can Pakistan carry three of their top five batsmen failing so often?

For every time that Azhar and Fawad reach 50, they fail to reach double figures twice as often (Azhar) or three times as often (Fawad)!

While Abid Ali averages under 20 except against Sri Lanka.

These guys are on the quality spectrum of our domestic standard, and this is the average best it has produced.
You can replace them with WHOEVER you want and I will be surprised if you see a day and night difference.

Yes, these guys are aging and sooner than later, we will need to move on.

The way Abid Ali got bold today, it tells me that he has a pretty feeble technique which is way off for a test level specialist batsman. However, I think these two teams are somewhat in the same breadth and it could turn out to be a good contest.

 

[Junaids]

@ Junaids,

What made you think Rohail Nazir was a better player than Pant ? If you were trolling, then its all good, however if you really believed what you are saying, this is quite concerning, considering your knowledge of cricket is supposed to be quite thorough...

I think Pant is almost identical to Umar Akmal: a terrific attacking batsman whose judgment is a bit hit-and-miss, plus also a third class wicketkeeper.

I think Rohail is a much better glovesman than both of them, but that he also is a sound technician with the bat.

I like Pant, but Rohail is a far better keeper and will be a more consistent batsman too.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I think Pant is almost identical to Umar Akmal: a terrific attacking batsman whose judgment is a bit hit-and-miss, plus also a third class wicketkeeper.

I think Rohail is a much better glovesman than both of them, but that he also is a sound technician with the bat.

Will Rohai win a test in Australia for his country? Or even score century there.

 

[Junaids]

Will Rohai win a test in Australia for his country? Or even score century there.

Very good point.

Pant has performed like Umar Akmal did against Shane Bond in NZ in Tests, and like he did in Australia in 2009 against Australia A, when his centuries massively outperformed Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez.

At this stage, Pant is basically exactly where Umar Akmal was in 2010. I see no difference at all. Zero difference.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Very good point.

Pant has performed like Umar Akmal did against Shane Bond in NZ in Tests, and like he did in Australia in 2009 against Australia A, when his centuries massively outperformed Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez.

At this stage, Pant is basically exactly where Umar Akmal was in 2010. I see no difference at all. Zero difference.

Well do you see Pant misbehaving with coaches and carrying Fat because of water?
Umar still did not win a match in Australia.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Very good point.

Pant has performed like Umar Akmal did against Shane Bond in NZ in Tests, and like he did in Australia in 2009 against Australia A, when his centuries massively outperformed Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez.

At this stage, Pant is basically exactly where Umar Akmal was in 2010. I see no difference at all. Zero difference.

Umar Akmal averages 35.82 after 16 tests. Pant averages 43. 52 in 16 tests. Umar was probably more talented. He smashed the great Shane Bond whereas Pant only scored against the Aussies and has a ton in England.

 

[Junaids]

Well do you see Pant misbehaving with coaches and carrying Fat because of water?
Umar still did not win a match in Australia.

Umar Akmal averages 35.82 after 16 tests. Pant averages 43. 52 in 16 tests. Umar was probably more talented. He smashed the great Shane Bond whereas Pant only scored against the Aussies and has a ton in England.

I agree with your points. Umar Akmal wasted a huge talent.

But the point remains: Pant is basically the batsman that Umar Akmal was in 2010; combined with being the wicketkeeper that Josh Hazlewood is.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

I agree with your points. Umar Akmal wasted a huge talent.

But the point remains: Pant is basically the batsman that Umar Akmal was in 2010; combined with being the wicketkeeper that Josh Hazlewood is.

How about Pant is a batsman better then Inzamam and wicketkeeper closer to Kamran Akmal

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Shan and imam should be opening the batting.

When they both fail , same thing repeats.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

And on topic , 35 year olds - Azhar and Fawad are still among the best performers in Pakistan in the longer format. Also the best QEA bowler in Hasan Ali looked pretty average .

We all know that cricketers shouldn't be selected in their 30's or in their teens but looks like the barrel is empty and the players in 20's are just not good enough.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

I agree with your points. Umar Akmal wasted a huge talent.

But the point remains: Pant is basically the batsman that Umar Akmal was in 2010; combined with being the wicketkeeper that Josh Hazlewood is.

Would you rather have an Umar Akmal who actually went on to fulfill his talent or Rohail Nazir?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Azhar, Babar, Hafeez, Malik, Messi, and Wahab have been the backbone of Pakistan's cricket. And now Fawad is joining the group.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

With the return of test cricket in Pakistan , I expect both Azhar and Fawad to boost their test records.

If not then it is better to discard them and play youngsters instead.

 

[Esfahani]

With the return of test cricket in Pakistan , I expect both Azhar and Fawad to boost their test records.

If not then it is better to discard them and play youngsters instead.

moving goal-posts.... sighhh

 

[jupiter2007]

Average age of Pakistani batsman?

Everyone is looking for a solution without pointing out the actual problem or problems.

It starts from U-15/U-17/U-19 level where player improve his game. Our players need proper coaching and training at junior level so they can became a great athlete, with proper technique, temperament, shot selection and mentally strong. It’s a tragedy that we have batsmen in National team who are mentality weak and have technical flaws. They choke against good bowlers and end up throwing their wicket really cheap. The mindset of Cricket management, coaching, trainers, groundsman has to change and they must challenge our players so they can improve their game.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Thread is looking a bit dumb right now with Babar and Azhar rebuilding after a disastrous effort by the top order. With Fawad the age gripe is made worse by him being overlooked for the best part of his career in favour of more fashionable hitters who never had the grit or technique to hold down their places in the long run.

Azhar Ali isn't the most flash player but he still instils more confidence than the newcomers at the moment. To replace these guys, younger players need to grab their opportunities when they get them.

 

[Esfahani]

Thread is looking a bit dumb right now with Babar and Azhar rebuilding after a disastrous effort by the top order. With Fawad the age gripe is made worse by him being overlooked for the best part of his career in favour of more fashionable hitters who never had the grit or technique to hold down their places in the long run.

Azhar Ali isn't the most flash player but he still instils more confidence than the newcomers at the moment. To replace these guys, younger players need to grab their opportunities when they get them.

this thread was already looking very dumb with the two men still on pitch....

Azhar is a home beast (like Pujara)
Fawad is a domestic Karachi legend

 

[Hitman]

Very good point.

Pant has performed like Umar Akmal did against Shane Bond in NZ in Tests, and like he did in Australia in 2009 against Australia A, when his centuries massively outperformed Azhar Ali and Mohammad Hafeez.

At this stage, Pant is basically exactly where Umar Akmal was in 2010. I see no difference at all. Zero difference.

You haven't seen Pant fake an injury and probably never will. Right?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

How about Pant is a batsman better then Inzamam and wicketkeeper closer to Kamran Akmal

Yeh kuch ziyada ho gaya hai

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Azhar and Fawad are still the best we have for Tests after Babar whether you agree with it or not.

Fawad needs some home series to pad his stats like Asad did. You can't just accidentally average 56 in FC for 150+ matches.

Saud Shakeel, Kamran Ghulam, Saad Ali, Usman Salahuddin may be good, but the competition is tough for middle order. We need openers and we have 0. If they can put their hands up and offer to play as openers then good. Dilshan and Simon Katich did it to good effect.

Watching Fawad and Azhar bat today has been the most calming thing since watching Younis and Misbah in UAE tests. Giving the impression that it's under control. Even with the similar team in 2017-19, never once did i get that vibe.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Yeh kuch ziyada ho gaya hai

Bhai Lambi Lambi lapete deta hai meine socha mein bhi lapet doon kuch

In seriousness though I have followed Rohail through his U-19 performances and he is a good bat, especially for Tests and definitely better Keeper than Pant.
But Pant is an X-Factor player and game changer, Rohail will be a bit more reliable but not a game changer.

 

[Bigboii]

Bhai Lambi Lambi lapete deta hai meine socha mein bhi lapet doon kuch

In seriousness though I have followed Rohail through his U-19 performances and he is a good bat, especially for Tests and definitely better Keeper than Pant.
But Pant is an X-Factor player and game changer, Rohail will be a bit more reliable but not a game changer.

+1 this
But the Junaids hype is jinxing it for the guy and I fear one or two bad performances he'll be lumped up with Naseem Shah type young failed investment

I mean he is no ATG but there's decent potential

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

+1 this
But the Junaids hype is jinxing it for the guy and I fear one or two bad performances he'll be lumped up with Naseem Shah type young failed investment

I mean he is no ATG but there's decent potential

He can become ATG as well. I have seen his interviews as well and he is well balanced individual.
You need hardworking people like him.
But let him play some cricket, get some performances under his belt.
Even we don't hype Pant, because we know he will fail more often than not because of high Risk approach, But i can win us some memorable games like at Gabba and almost won it in Sydney.
To compare him with Akmal, lol.. Akmal was never that good. He just played some lifts on leg side and people went Gaga on him. He does not have half the head and ability that Pant has.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Bhai Lambi Lambi lapete deta hai meine socha mein bhi lapet doon kuch

In seriousness though I have followed Rohail through his U-19 performances and he is a good bat, especially for Tests and definitely better Keeper than Pant.
But Pant is an X-Factor player and game changer, Rohail will be a bit more reliable but not a game changer.

If Pant can become more consistent, he can become a great. Natural ability is there. However, these kinds of aggressive batsmen usually end up being hit or miss, like Jos Buttler. On his day, he’ll win you a Test, but when it’s not, there will be questions about whether there should have been a specialist keeper.

Rohail is nowhere close in terms of natural ability, but he’s a very gritty and aware player. He’s also an okay-good keeper, nothing special.

 

[Last Monetarist]

I'd be surprised if Rohail Nazir has as good an international career as Sarfraz Ahmed.

 

[Saj]

The cupboard is hardly full of Inzamams, Yousufs and Younis Khans.

Although selection policies of picking players at the wrong time is annissue.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Lol everytime [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] makes a thread like this, the players prove him wrong. Azhar and Fawad are the only reason Pakistan are still in this match.

 

[AAli98]

These youngsters at the crease (Fawad & Azhar).. that’s the future of Pak right there... if these two can improve and develop over the nx 10 yrs; future looks bright...

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

Yeh kuch ziyada ho gaya hai

Bht ziyada

 

[naseem]

I would keep Azhar......drop Fawad .....4 overseas .....bring in Saud Kamran Usman......also keep Rohail in squad in place of Sarfi

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Lol everytime [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] makes a thread like this, the players prove him wrong. Azhar and Fawad are the only reason Pakistan are still in this match.

It's a given almost every game everywhere, are you even surprised.

Thread is looking a bit dumb right now ......

Ya think?

 

[aukhan]

This obsession with youngsta beauties should end now. Its baffling really. Consistent performers should be backed regardless of their age.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] calculating Fawad's average since comeback:

 

[Romali_rotti]

I think Pant is almost identical to Umar Akmal: a terrific attacking batsman whose judgment is a bit hit-and-miss, plus also a third class wicketkeeper.

I think Rohail is a much better glovesman than both of them, but that he also is a sound technician with the bat.

I like Pant, but Rohail is a far better keeper and will be a more consistent batsman too.

Has Rohail played a game for Pakistan ?

 

[JibranAnsari]

this is the last generation of half decent cricketers from pakistan , after them we will only have doom and gloom

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Can Rohail Nazir come in ? I heard Junaids say he was a much better batsmen than Rishabh Pant, so he must be good and deserves a chance ?

Don't get misled by Junaids love for youngsters. He literally started playing FC cricket regularly a year ago and is largely untested. He is regarded as a talented player but fact is that has one innings of note against New Zealand A and has much to prove.

If it was up to Junaids he would replace the entire national team with the U-19 team.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

I never advocate for youngsters. I am outraged at the selection of all these teenage kids.

I advocate for a core of guys aged 21-29, with 1 or 2 or 3 older players if they are performing CONSISTENTLY.

But none of these guys are performing consistently. They are consistently getting out for single figures 2 or 3 times as often as they reach 50.

When I look at Pakistan players over 30, if I had to rank them in terms of their performance and "right" to be selected on merit I don't see anyone whose performances are good enough to be selected.

By all means pick seniors who are performing. But none of Pakistan's seniors are performing, so why pick them?

What is your objection to just looking at performances and selecting guys based on those, rather than targeting some pseudo-predictive metrics.

First-class batting average, or at least recent first-class batting average is a much better predictor of a player's Test batting than age. Likewise for any remotely useful statistic in any format of cricket.

Forcefully targeting selection around bizzare metrics like this is what can wreck a team's performances very quickly.

And what you aren't considering is that past and present Pakistan team selection might have revolved around equally bizzare metrics or pet theories of various selectors.

Just picking the best players statistically will get much better results in general than various random theories.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Don't get misled by Junaids love for youngsters. He literally started playing FC cricket regularly a year ago and is largely untested. He is regarded as a talented player but fact is that has one innings of note against New Zealand A and has much to prove.

If it was up to Junaids he would replace the entire national team with the U-19 team.

Yeah I figured, however I was fascinated at why he would claim that Rohail Nazir, a player that has not played a game for Pakistan yet ( I just found out) is more talented than an established, proven player like Pant.

Looking good Batting and keeping against low grade first class players is one thing however doing it against the Pros is another equation all together..

 

[Hawkeye]

Azhar ain't going nowhere.

Fawad is a solid option in Asian conditions.

The fact is, there's nobody in the pipeline, no youngster who is even half the level of these two guys.

All the youngsters, barring Saud Shakeel most likely, are not international level.

 

[Titan24]

A guy named "Fawad Alam" isn't just a "player of age 33+ with less than 10 test matches"...

He's a much more complex and high-class batsman... Mind you, still at the crease!

What about "youngster" Babar and Butt who have thrown their wickets away?

Always said he was hard done big time in the last decade by PCB. He can be that one extraordinary 33+ player with under 10 tests as I have mentioned in my post and I dont have any issues. However, I think Pak team needs better balance in their test lineup so that the transition becomes easy going forward. It cant be that Abid, Asad, Azhar etc are all extraordinary currently. We can have Fawad and still induct in players like Saud, Usman, Kamran etc with more years left in them. So that we are not forced to have a new outlook suddenly when Azhar, Abid etc they are gone.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Yeah I figured, however I was fascinated at why he would claim that Rohail Nazir, a player that has not played a game for Pakistan yet ( I just found out) is more talented than an established, proven player like Pant.

Looking good Batting and keeping against low grade first class players is one thing however doing it against the Pros is another equation all together..

You guys take [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] way too seriously. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[pillionrider]

You guys take [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] way too seriously. It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

Except that, there is a palpable hope in his posts that he will be taken seriously and believed. And through others' belief, he can convince himself of his own theories.

 

[Last Monetarist]

Except that, there is a palpable hope in his posts that he will be taken seriously and believed. And through others' belief, he can convince himself of his own theories.

Not really. He's brilliant at what he does and how he lures people in. Superb agent provocateur.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I won't mind if a 60 year old is scoring centuries every now and then.

 

[Abdullah]

When they both fail , same thing repeats.

Shan was awful against nz, and imam was not there. I would have given shan one last go in this series before moving on -as a couple of tours aside he has been good. Why could asad get a 10 year run...

Imam has not had a proper run yet - been in and out too much

 

[sharmaji]

Last few weeks have proved so many of us wrong, this match so far and the recently concluded India-Australia series showed how so many players we dismiss for various reasons can actually play well and silence the critics. Even the teams we constantly put down can fight back and win matches.

The list of players who silenced the critics:

Pakistan:
Fawad Alam
Mohammed Rizwan
Azhar Ali
Faheem Ashraf
Yasir Shah

England:
Joe Root
Anderson
Bairstow
Buttler

India:
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Shardul Thakur
Mohammed Siraj
Washington Sundar
Ravindra Jadeja
Ashwin
Bumrah
Rahane
Pujara

Maybe it's time for all of us to look at our biases and petty grudges we hold against players and teams.

 

[Yk313]

Last few weeks have proved so many of us wrong, this match so far and the recently concluded India-Australia series showed how so many players we dismiss for various reasons can actually play well and silence the critics. Even the teams we constantly put down can fight back and win matches.

The list of players who silenced the critics:

Pakistan:
Fawad Alam
Mohammed Rizwan
Azhar Ali
Faheem Ashraf
Yasir Shah

England:
Joe Root
Anderson
Bairstow
Buttler

India:
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Shardul Thakur
Mohammed Siraj
Washington Sundar
Ravindra Jadeja
Ashwin
Bumrah
Rahane
Pujara

Maybe it's time for all of us to look at our biases and petty grudges we hold against players and teams.

People like to make conclusions on the bases of scorecards, match reports and highlights. Few have the patience, and availability, to watch a Test session on a ball-by-ball basis. Analyses on paper are all great and well. However, if all was so easy to call the matches, actually playing the game would be rendered redundant.

 

[naseem]

Little. premature thread....yes Fawad nd Azhar arr not future.....but. They played well too......nd r the reason Pak is in a strong position....u need a good mix of experience nd youth....Asad Safiq never had the temperament... To begin with.....he had talent ..and good looking shots....but Fawad is any day better than him

 

[Rana]

Looks like we need these batsmen until the Kamran Ghulams, Babar Azam’s, Saud Shakeels and the Imran Butt’s find their feet at this level.

So, so disappointed with Babar Azam!

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Lol everytime [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] makes a thread like this, the players prove him wrong. Azhar and Fawad are the only reason Pakistan are still in this match.

If that's how it works, then I will always sponsor such a thread that reverse jinx Pakistan.

May be Junaids know it too, so he purposely opens such threads to help Pakistan.