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How long will Mohammad Amir play based on his former glory?

Looks like all those wickets he took in 2010 are still painful for the English :yk2 if he wasn't world class then I suppose those English batsman were amateurs to :yk3

We easily won the series in the end, which we were happy with and that's what we remember. For England fans the team comes first, not individuals.
 
Your sounding like a Kid. Do you not see the way Amir fancies Stark as a bowler? Does that make Stark a poor bowler as well?

Do you know how ignorant your comment re Cook making a career once Amir left sounds? Fan boiz think the world revolves around Amir. You don't have to preach how good he was back then because we all saw him.

Fact is that he is now a Junaid v2. Live with it.
 
the reason he is not getting any wickets is because we've got other useless bowlers who are giving away freebies from the other ends. You don't get wickets if the batsmen are not trying to get runs off you. Its cricket 101.

You get wickets when batsmen are trying to go after you. You DON'T get wickets when batsmen are NOT trying to go after you simply because they know they can get runs from elsewhere.
 
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he needs to go back to domestic or some county cricker. Work on getting better , at the moment he is below average.
 
the reason he is not getting any wickets is because we've got other useless bowlers who are giving away freebies from the other ends. You don't get wickets if the batsmen are not trying to get runs off you. Its cricket 101.

You get wickets when batsmen are trying to go after you. You DON'T get wickets when batsmen are NOT trying to go after you simply because they know they can get runs from elsewhere.

Good bowlers like Starc, Steyn regularly get batsmen out while defending. Heck Shami and Bhuvi do that too. I can understand your excuse if this was ODIs. But test itself is a test of a batsman's defense against bowler's attack. Also today Warned went after Amir and he went at 4.2 runs per over
 
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I am amazed still people are not coming to reality about amir and making new excuses everyday to defend him
 
Amir has not been excellent but he has no support whatsoever from other seamers or even spinners or fielders

I am admitting that he has not been excellent, not making excuses. I think a season of County Cricket (not PAK Domestics) will do him good. In PAK Domestics he will simply run through technically poor Batsmen

You can't expect one pacer to run through sides.
 
Looks like all those wickets he took in 2010 are still painful for the English :yk2 if he wasn't world class then I suppose those English batsman were amateurs to :yk3

Exactly I didnt want to put it that way. Cook made his career once Amir went off the scene. KP, Strauss, Bell were all excellent players who didnt really stand much of a chance against him

Here are some of his stats

2009 season - average 43.5
2009/10 season - average 41.9
2010 season - average 19.8
2016 season - average 42.4
2016/17 season - average 39.7

As you can see, only one season stands out. He averaged 40 before and after that for every season

If you look at average in each country, he averages over 35 in every single country except England.

It looks more and more like he had one freakish season in really helpful conditions. There are many, many instances of other bowlers doing Similar things, BK in England, Zaheer in England, Junaid Khan in India, etc. Kohli found Junaid unplayable that series does that mean Kohli made a career because Junaid was dropped?

If he was really that good, why did he average 43 in Sri Lanka? Why did he average over 40 in 2009 and 2009/10 season?

BTW, these are the kind of hyperbole why people are replying and creating so many anti-Amir threads. If the hyperbole was not there, he would not be criticized so much today either
 
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Amir needs to go back to some old videos and replicate his action. Moreover some time away won't be a bad idea as he seems to be fatigued playing lot of games in the last 1 year without much luck

Not possible to get that action back. He has put on muscle. Flexibility has gone. The arc that his left arm used to make in delivery stride is no longer there.
 
Well he has been disappointing but lets cut him slack. His bowling partners aren't helping him much

I don't think his bowling has deteriorated or has changed, we fans expected too much from him. He was a great bowler but he we hyped him up the extreme. Also, he had a better mentor/partner in Asif. Asif with all his wizardry would build pressure from one end and amir would deliver the killer blow from the other end

Asif was a magician, even gul bowled with venom when had asif as his Bowling partner.

Are you kidding me? Umar Gul nickname "Pressure reliever" was aweful and always targetted by the opposition whenever he played as the third seamer to Amir, Asif, Akhtar, Junaid, Irfan e.t.c.
 
Not gonna lie he did get rushed into the team and should've played a bit more domestic cricket before coming back. Needs to get his proper rhythm back and sort out some small issues with where he releases the ball (bowl closer to the stumps and target the stumps a bit more). He's played in a lot of batting friendly pitches and fielders have shelled his catches, making his average go up.
 
the reason he is not getting any wickets is because we've got other useless bowlers who are giving away freebies from the other ends. You don't get wickets if the batsmen are not trying to get runs off you. Its cricket 101.

You get wickets when batsmen are trying to go after you. You DON'T get wickets when batsmen are NOT trying to go after you simply because they know they can get runs from elsewhere.

He needs a pack to hunt in.

Right now all the bowlers around are trundling nonsense.

Either get Asif back to partner him or find pacers which are international grade.

Amir is a good bowler with a high ceiling. He will be world class but he needs a world class bowler on the other end pushing him and working with him.

There are many other bad bowlers in the team to concentrate on. Lets focus on players like Rahat Ali who are absolute village cricket trundling nonsense.
 
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He needs a pack to hunt in.

Right now all the bowlers around are trundling nonsense.

Either get Asif back to partner him or find pacers which are international grade.

Amir is a good bowler with a high ceiling. He will be world class but he needs a world class bowler on the other end pushing him and working with him.

There are many other bad bowlers in the team to concentrate on. Lets focus on players like Rahat Ali who are absolute village cricket trundling nonsense.

unfortunately some folks here believe that Amir isn't good enough because he can't get a wicket. Guys this is a team sport, you need support in order to penetrate. Reason why Starc, Steyn, and other elite bowlers get wicket is because there is support from the other end.
 
unfortunately some folks here believe that Amir isn't good enough because he can't get a wicket. Guys this is a team sport, you need support in order to penetrate. Reason why Starc, Steyn, and other elite bowlers get wicket is because there is support from the other end.

The problem with Pakistani cricketers are either they are world class or not international grade. There is nobody who is average and just decent. Either they are very good or really really bad.

We are not producing international grade players, they are coming in unfit and lacking ability. Look at Sami Aslam, this guy is completely out of his depth. He is like Shan Masood, not international grade. There are so many others.

Our pace attack is shocking, this is Misbah's fault. Over the years he moulded the batting unit, thank you for that Misbah but did nothing with the pace attack. Just relied on Yasir or Ajmal to grind out wins in UAE.

If we had invested in a roster of pacers we would have had a couple world class bowlers by now. All we got is Wahab who is just plain awful. Rahat, Sohail Khan, Imran Khan all are not good enough. Sohail Khan being the biggest disappointment, just too slow, the same with IK.

We need a world class new ball bowler to partner up with Amir. Pressure from both ends = wickets.
 
This is another rubbish thread...

Amir is still the only decent fast bowler we have in the whole Country, and half of the fans are after him only, as if we are filled with Strac and Styen :facepalm: Pakistan needs more Amir and less Sohail/Rahat/Imran type of bowlers. In hindsight Pakistan would have been better off, recruiting Asif and Amir for this tough year, that would have saved them lot of trouble and embarrassment ... I don't have to spell it out again, bowlers work in pairs, all these other bowlers have no control, no pace, they bowl 2/3 hit me balls every over, that release whatever pressure created by other end...

Second issue is Misbah, who does not understand fast bowling at all. He just give bowler 1 over(at times even 3 balls) before he goes to his favorite UAE spinner style fielding, he almost forces bowlers to go to defensive lengths, I wonder, if behind Amir's shorter length(he is 2/3 feet short) is Misbah defensive mindset?? - He is not willing to take risk or allowing bowlers to find the right length... Misbah's tactics has been badly exposed in NZ/AUS, where you had to attack rather than sit and try to dry up runs... He is very one dimensional Captain, we don't need another Misbah, so please select Sarfraz for now, no to Azhar as Captain... Misbah please retire, enough is enough...

Amir will improve this year, but we need good partner and aggressive Captain, who understand fast bowling, I am afraid Misbah and Azhar are not those guys, they are anything but attacking Captains, they are useless outside of UAE. Also, Amir needs to work on his pace and reverse swing. He has a county season this year, that will help him a lot...
 
But but he is a failure in england.thats what it all matters to him others are irrelevant.
 
Wahab has easily been the better bowler.

With Wahab there is atleast effort, he wants to take a wicket and change things around for the team.

Amir just wants to be done with his spell and stand in some quite corner.

There are plenty of bowlers who do what Amir does, bowl placid spells, look good for a few overs here and there and then blame luck. The only difference is none of them are hyped like he is!!

Well I believe you. Didn't know we have a dime a dozen bowlers like Amir in domestic cricket.
 
Azhar Ali and Mohammad Amir have the same number of wickets in this Series.
 
unfortunately some folks here believe that Amir isn't good enough because he can't get a wicket. Guys this is a team sport, you need support in order to penetrate. Reason why Starc, Steyn, and other elite bowlers get wicket is because there is support from the other end.

Nice to see the excuses have moved from dropped catches to support at other end. I think next excuse will be that enough crowds did not turn up for their next series. I mean Steyn, Starc always get good crowds cheering them. How is a world class bowler like Amir supposed to be motivated without huge crowds?

Wonder why other bowlers dont complain about support from Amir who ALWAYS gets the new ball over them. He has even played more matches than some of them except maybe Wahab so is the senior. He should be giving support to bowlers like Imran who are new

You really think Starc and Steyn cannot take wickets without support? I have seen both bowl absolute peaches even when other side is leaking runs. This is lame excuse no 101 to defend beloved Amir

And your statement - unfortunately some folks here believe that Amir isn't good enough because he can't get a wicket. -

is one of the funniest I have read. So next time a batsman keeps getting out on duck, I will just say this

-Unfortunately folks believe X isn't good enough because he can't score runs.

Or if a wicketkeeper cannot take catches - unfortunately folks believe Y is not good enough because he cannot take catches or do stumpings

What else is a bowler supposed to do if he is not for taking wickets? How else do you measure a bowler's success or failure?
 
Not that I am championing for his return, but Asif was always the better bowler around the time of the ban. Aamir had a few moments but was far from the finished article. I just think that as time went on and ppl extrapolated his entire career to be the four and a half videos on YouTube that show him running though England and Australia in some very helpful conditions. It is the same sort of healthy delusional of expectations associated with Harris Sohail's imaginary return to cricket.
Fwiw, it's to his credit that he has been very fit and run in hard all four, but the thing is he has bowled poorly. Not on the sense that he has not been consistent or given away runs. He has bowled a poor length - happy to see batsman play and miss good length balls. He has not been disciplined, intelligent, or brave enough to pitch the ball up. I expect he will get this message eventually and have a couple decent spells in the odi series.

On the positive side, he has shown himself to be a better batting talent than misbah, Sami, and Azam on this tour
 
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Feel really sorry for him. Not going to make excuses, but he really has had no luck whatsoever since his return. Starting from the Asia Cup where he should have had Kohli up until the current series where he has constantly beat the bat.

People that want him out of the team will soon be calling for his return once our attack of Rahat, Imran and Wahab is pummelled. Despite this, and I am one of his biggest fans, some time out may actually do him good. He can then get back to basics, work on certain aspects of his game and come back hungry and motivated.

For ODIS he has to play though. He is by far our best limited overs bowler, and you rarely ever see him hit for 6. Also needs practice as well ahead of the Champions Trophy so hope he isn't rested just yet.
 
Feel really sorry for him. Not going to make excuses, but he really has had no luck whatsoever since his return. Starting from the Asia Cup where he should have had Kohli up until the current series where he has constantly beat the bat.

People that want him out of the team will soon be calling for his return once our attack of Rahat, Imran and Wahab is pummelled. Despite this, and I am one of his biggest fans, some time out may actually do him good. He can then get back to basics, work on certain aspects of his game and come back hungry and motivated.

For ODIS he has to play though. He is by far our best limited overs bowler, and you rarely ever see him hit for 6. Also needs practice as well ahead of the Champions Trophy so hope he isn't rested just yet.

Why do you feel sorry? He has not pitched up the ball. Thats why he is wicketless
 
Needs some time away, one tour perhaps. Then these same nashukray will be begging for his return when the bowling attack of Rahat, Imran and Wahab is dispatched to all parts. He also needs to spend some time with a real fast bowling coach and not someone like Azhar Mahmood. Perhaps a stint alongside Asif will do him a world of good.

Amir can play two decades with a guy like Azhar Mahmood as his coach and will only regress and regress.
 
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Feel really sorry for him. Not going to make excuses, but he really has had no luck whatsoever since his return. Starting from the Asia Cup where he should have had Kohli up until the current series where he has constantly beat the bat.

People that want him out of the team will soon be calling for his return once our attack of Rahat, Imran and Wahab is pummelled. Despite this, and I am one of his biggest fans, some time out may actually do him good. He can then get back to basics, work on certain aspects of his game and come back hungry and motivated.

For ODIS he has to play though. He is by far our best limited overs bowler, and you rarely ever see him hit for 6. Also needs practice as well ahead of the Champions Trophy so hope he isn't rested just yet.

Champion bowlers create their own luck. Philander also has dropped catches, and phases where he beats the bat. Guess what, he still continues to create chances and gets a wicket in the next few deliveries.

Dropped catches and bad luck is over simplifying things, i personally think he is not as good as people thought he was.

There are some technical issues with his bowling, he has lost his swing both ways, his fitness is very suspect as his pace drops in later spells, he needs to fill up and build his strength.

He also needs to utilize his bouncer more, he is very one dimensional where he pitches the ball up to the batsman all the time on the stumps or operates on the off stump or outside off stump channel, good players will always negotiate these deliveries. He needs to utilize the bouncer to put the batsman on the back foot, upset his footwork, mindset, give him something to think about, have a square leg for the hook shot, and work on simple tricks like bringing a third slip in and then bowling an inswinger or having a square leg and then going for the yorker, taking a slip out and then bowling an away swinger.

He is just bowling like a robot without any serious plan. Team management needs to give him a wake up call by benching him.
 
Needs some time away, one tour perhaps. Then these same nashukray will be begging for his return when the bowling attack of Rahat, Imran and Wahab is dispatched to all parts. He also needs to spend some time with a real fast bowling coach and not someone like Azhar Mahmood. Perhaps a stint alongside Asif will do him a world of good.

Amir can play two decades with a guy like Azhar Mahmood as his coach and will only regress and regress.

yah we will beg for a bowler averaging 40 this year , as if one rahat ali was not enough.
 
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Why do you feel sorry? He has not pitched up the ball. Thats why he is wicketless

Because the expectations of him since his return have been through the roof which is totally unfair. Instead of fans being patient and realising that it will take him time to reach his best, after 5 years out, they have jumped on his back.

Yet these are probably the same people who will complain when Babar is criticised, saying he deserves more time.
 
yah we will beg for a bowler averaging 40 this year , as if one rahat ali was not enough.

Yes you will beg, just like you lot were begging for his return when he was ripping sides in domestics. Wait and watch.
 
Because the expectations of him since his return have been through the roof which is totally unfair. Instead of fans being patient and realising that it will take him time to reach his best, after 5 years out, they have jumped on his back.

Yet these are probably the same people who will complain when Babar is criticised, saying he deserves more time.

He is bowling poorly, I would rather focus on that. Poor bowling doesn't become good bowling magically by playing unpressured. He should fix his technical issues: bowl closer to umpire and to pitch up
 
Yes you will beg, just like you lot were begging for his return when he was ripping sides in domestics. Wait and watch.

No i was not begging for his return ,i for one was advocating that he should play another season. He is good for odis but has been poor in longer formats. He will keep averaging 40 plus if he bowls like that.

Enjoy him.
 
He's been poor, even though I am his fan no point sugar coating it, but if there are no replacements for the other trundlers alongside him then we have noone in our domestic set-up.
 
He has been disappointing to be honest.

ENG tour, more or less meet my expectation; in NZ, he had very little scope to do with that batting effort & crucial catches going down at critical moment (not for his bowling only - on that wicket PAK dropped the man at the start of his innings, batting 40+ overs against new ball there after), but AUS has been disappointing. Definitely he is not the bowler 6 years back, but I expected better. Those who are trying to sell that his early success are entirely on green wickets doesn't know that he has 5for at MCG & he didn't play that SCG Test on a green top. In 2010 summer, at least 8 other English & AUS pacers played same Test he played & bowled to far inferior batsmen with far, far better catching unit - one can check that summer's Test bowling figures for all.

Coming to his current form, I actually don't think that he is bowling short or wide deliberately. On 1st Day of SCG, I saw him trying to bring the ball in against Renshaw & Warner, which ended slanting down leg. Normally, what happens is Asian Fast bowlers land in AUS & get excited with the bounce of the track - they start to bowl short. By the time they adjust somewhat, it's 3rd Test. In that 1976 Series Imran went for 115/0 in around 20 overs at MCG - then he had a chat with DK on his bowling length before that SCG Test.

BUT, here I don't think that's is the case, it's opposite - Amir bowled much better at Gabba in 1st Test & gradually faded away. This suggests me that he is not full fit, & running short of steam. He has missed 6 years of cricket, hence is faking fitness to play as much as possible. At the moment, probably a semi fit Amir is better option for Mickey has than others, hence he is accepting this. Had couple of U25 pacers been taken to AUS, I am sure Arthur would have rested Amir at MCG - now, for him no point replacing Amir with Sohail or Rahat or Imran or Wahab. I said about Yasir, when he was worked for 80+ overs/Test, that he'll fade away for over work-load in near future & his Captain gives a damn about what's coming tomorrow - one can check my sarcastic post on Yasir's strategy - 29 overs/100 overs max, after that he should fake injury - unfortunately, he didn't need to fake. May be sometimes in future, we'll know this as well for Amir. A modern team can't operate with 4 bowlers & 3 pacers, 2 of them over 35 for back to back to back to back to .... Test - that too in AUS. Or I have wasted good part of my time, trying to understand Cricket & cricket in AUS, best place to play the game.

PAK doesn't have much option replacing Amir. But, I would have rested him from the ODI - it doesn't matter much losing 5-0 inside 40 overs of inside 45 overs. I said before the WI series that he should be rested for T20, which technically Arthur did, because he knew Amir doesn't add much value to beat that pathetic WI unit. If Amir plays for Essex this summer, may be only after that one season in County, h'll be ready for such work load. 65 overs/day FC matches are bad jokes which they mock in QA style - it creates false hope for pacers bowling 3 spells for total 13 overs in a day. Amir needs a series of 100 overs/day FC matches, where he'll bowl 23-25 overs in a day, may be at 85% of his physical limit - that'll improve his stamina & stress his ligaments, without tearing it. After that, he should retire from domestics & spend that time relaxing with family, better use of time. Imran kept playing till his late 30s & became No. 1 ranked bowler at 35+, one of the main reason was that he wasted his time last time in PAK domestics in 1979-80 winter. Wasim & Waquar as well - played in total probably less than 20 matches in 1990s ....
 
People commenting that Amir needs to pitch the ball up. That is half of the problem, when was the last time he bounced a batsman out, surprised a batsman with a fast nasty bouncer.

Ever since the England tour, all i see him do is bowl short of a length on off stump or outside, pitch the ball up. The entire world knows what he is about, everyone knows he has an inswinger with the new ball for the first 3-4 overs and are prepared for it, he is yet to show any outswinger which he possessed pre ban, he hardly bowls any bouncers, puts any batsman on the back foot or even engages in a verbal contest with the batsman, they know he is no Wahab Riaz who can bounce them out and is a one trick pony who will either bowl short of a length aiming for the outside edge, bowl at the wickets or pitch the ball up but they do not fear any bouncers from him.

Apart from this technical issues i.e. not bowling close to the stumps, not using his wrists properly to swing the ball both ways, not having adequate fitness, lack of muscle mass on his frame, he really needs to develop other tricks in his armory, his bowling intelligence is equivalent to Rahat Ali's and Wahab's at the moment which is a real let down and was suppossed to be the main differentiating factor between him and the others.

I agree having a successfull well respected bowling coach will also help. No idea what the PCB was thinking when they appointed Azhar Mahmood as bowling coach, did they not learn from the Mohd Akram experiment?
 
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He has been disappointing to be honest.

ENG tour, more or less meet my expectation; in NZ, he had very little scope to do with that batting effort & crucial catches going down at critical moment (not for his bowling only - on that wicket PAK dropped the man at the start of his innings, batting 40+ overs against new ball there after), but AUS has been disappointing. Definitely he is not the bowler 6 years back, but I expected better. Those who are trying to sell that his early success are entirely on green wickets doesn't know that he has 5for at MCG & he didn't play that SCG Test on a green top. In 2010 summer, at least 8 other English & AUS pacers played same Test he played & bowled to far inferior batsmen with far, far better catching unit - one can check that summer's Test bowling figures for all.

Coming to his current form, I actually don't think that he is bowling short or wide deliberately. On 1st Day of SCG, I saw him trying to bring the ball in against Renshaw & Warner, which ended slanting down leg. Normally, what happens is Asian Fast bowlers land in AUS & get excited with the bounce of the track - they start to bowl short. By the time they adjust somewhat, it's 3rd Test. In that 1976 Series Imran went for 115/0 in around 20 overs at MCG - then he had a chat with DK on his bowling length before that SCG Test.

BUT, here I don't think that's is the case, it's opposite - Amir bowled much better at Gabba in 1st Test & gradually faded away. This suggests me that he is not full fit, & running short of steam. He has missed 6 years of cricket, hence is faking fitness to play as much as possible. At the moment, probably a semi fit Amir is better option for Mickey has than others, hence he is accepting this. Had couple of U25 pacers been taken to AUS, I am sure Arthur would have rested Amir at MCG - now, for him no point replacing Amir with Sohail or Rahat or Imran or Wahab. I said about Yasir, when he was worked for 80+ overs/Test, that he'll fade away for over work-load in near future & his Captain gives a damn about what's coming tomorrow - one can check my sarcastic post on Yasir's strategy - 29 overs/100 overs max, after that he should fake injury - unfortunately, he didn't need to fake. May be sometimes in future, we'll know this as well for Amir. A modern team can't operate with 4 bowlers & 3 pacers, 2 of them over 35 for back to back to back to back to .... Test - that too in AUS. Or I have wasted good part of my time, trying to understand Cricket & cricket in AUS, best place to play the game.

PAK doesn't have much option replacing Amir. But, I would have rested him from the ODI - it doesn't matter much losing 5-0 inside 40 overs of inside 45 overs. I said before the WI series that he should be rested for T20, which technically Arthur did, because he knew Amir doesn't add much value to beat that pathetic WI unit. If Amir plays for Essex this summer, may be only after that one season in County, h'll be ready for such work load. 65 overs/day FC matches are bad jokes which they mock in QA style - it creates false hope for pacers bowling 3 spells for total 13 overs in a day. Amir needs a series of 100 overs/day FC matches, where he'll bowl 23-25 overs in a day, may be at 85% of his physical limit - that'll improve his stamina & stress his ligaments, without tearing it. After that, he should retire from domestics & spend that time relaxing with family, better use of time. Imran kept playing till his late 30s & became No. 1 ranked bowler at 35+, one of the main reason was that he wasted his time last time in PAK domestics in 1979-80 winter. Wasim & Waquar as well - played in total probably less than 20 matches in 1990s ....

Both Amir and Yasir were not fully fit for this test...Yasir has been seeing limping and holding back, Misbah has overloaded him a whole in last 2/3 years, he has probably bowled most overs in test out of all bowlers, for leggy its not that easy...

Amir's fitness issues were more clear in the morning session yesterday, he was not up to the task and laboring in the field and upto the run-up...He has to be rested for ODIs, but Azhar and Mickey would not like it, because their jobs are on the line, its not like we will not loose, they are afraid of epic looses, but either way that may backfire, we may have injured Yasir and Amir at the end of long Auses tour.
 
People who are criticizing Amir, must be those who don;t watch the match, they just look at the stats, or they don't know much about cricket. Amir has been the best bowler on the tour.
 
People who are criticizing Amir, must be those who don;t watch the match, they just look at the stats, or they don't know much about cricket. Amir has been the best bowler on the tour.

Best bowler all year, in all formats. These guys...
 
People who are criticizing Amir, must be those who don;t watch the match, they just look at the stats, or they don't know much about cricket. Amir has been the best bowler on the tour.
What? Wahab has been the best bowler on this tour, has consistently broken partnerships, has looked the most threatening and has bowled the fastest.

This should be Amir's last test.
 
Because the expectations of him since his return have been through the roof which is totally unfair. Instead of fans being patient and realising that it will take him time to reach his best, after 5 years out, they have jumped on his back.

Yet these are probably the same people who will complain when Babar is criticised, saying he deserves more time.
Why should we wait? This is international cricket, if he isn't at his best he shouldn't have been called up.

No, the expectations are at an all time low for Amir going wicket less is a norm.
 
Both Amir and Yasir were not fully fit for this test...Yasir has been seeing limping and holding back, Misbah has overloaded him a whole in last 2/3 years, he has probably bowled most overs in test out of all bowlers, for leggy its not that easy...

Amir's fitness issues were more clear in the morning session yesterday, he was not up to the task and laboring in the field and upto the run-up...He has to be rested for ODIs, but Azhar and Mickey would not like it, because their jobs are on the line, its not like we will not loose, they are afraid of epic looses, but either way that may backfire, we may have injured Yasir and Amir at the end of long Auses tour.

Amir is having fitness issues he pulled his hamstring right in his seventh over.
 
Went wicket less in the MCG, was he injured as well?

In this series, Pakistani tail (which is worse tail in the world) has scored 200+ runs in 2 out of four innings, that's how flat wickets are. Strac and HW were struggling to get tail out for most part, in first test, first innings, night time saved them(plus our 40 years old middler order), in second test, Pakistani epic needless brain **** saved them. Its not like they were running through Pakistan and we had hard time. If this series have been 4/5 test, I can bet you one of the Strac and HW would have got injured or rested, because wickets are not easy. Also, don't forget last time what exactly HW, Strac and Jhonson did in UAE?? they were laboring like hell over there as well.

Pakistan has run down both Amir and Yasir, they both are not fit to play, we have no other bowlers. Misbah takes bowlers to the very extreme, bowling is not like batting, where you can go on and on... Yasir has been ineffective because of too much work load as well... Misbah just does not believe in attack, when we should finish innings in 60 overs, he drags to 80/90. He does not have attacking instinct, test cricket cannot go on like this with 4/5 bowlers(if two of them are going to play every match)... Pakistan need a new direction and strategy in bowling.
 
At least he can pick up a wicket or two with the new ball and then bowl defensively until the second new ball to keep his figures safe? Isn't that an upgrade on Amir?

I doubt it. The likes of Mir, Abbas, Sadaf, Sohail are green deck bowlers. They don't have the pace or lift required for honest bounce tracks. Neither are they relentlessly accurate like Philander who can peg away at a length all day.

Amir did pick up 5 at Brisbane dismissing Warner twice. He bowled well in the 2nd, just couldn't find that edge taking length. He's been flat this match, looks fatigued like the rest of them. They've played a lot of cricket in the past 6 months.

We need bowlers like Irfan, Ehtisham, and Ghulam here. Ghulam is too raw atm, Ehtisham has to play FC. Irfan I believe is ready. He isn't going to get any better in domestic, he needs international exposure. Hasan Ali is another option but I wouldn't debut him in Australia.
 
I doubt it. The likes of Mir, Abbas, Sadaf, Sohail are green deck bowlers. They don't have the pace or lift required for honest bounce tracks. Neither are they relentlessly accurate like Philander who can peg away at a length all day.

Amir did pick up 5 at Brisbane dismissing Warner twice. He bowled well in the 2nd, just couldn't find that edge taking length. He's been flat this match, looks fatigued like the rest of them. They've played a lot of cricket in the past 6 months.

We need bowlers like Irfan, Ehtisham, and Ghulam here. Ghulam is too raw atm, Ehtisham has to play FC. Irfan I believe is ready. He isn't going to get any better in domestic, he needs international exposure. Hasan Ali is another option but I wouldn't debut him in Australia.

In AUS you either need guys who can bowl really heavy bowl (with control) or high arm tall(6'4" plus) bowlers. Have you ever seen short Auses medium pacer?? - Their medium pacers are 6'5" or above and fast bowlers have to be tall or know how to bowl heavy ball.... You are not going to get the lift at fuller length without any of those attributes, must for down under... Johnson was successful because of his bumpers, so was Thomo, despite being short both tailored made for down under, but that's rare not going to happen if you are born in Asia...

Pakistani bowlers generally are not heavy ball(banging in the turf) bowlers, simply because you need to kiss the surface and do more in the air(reverse or regular swing)... There is a reason Waqar had avg of 45 in AUS, at the same time taken more wickets than probably anybody in Asia(250 or so)...You don't get much of movement both in the air or off the wicket in down under, Styen was successful because he is a SA bowler, who also know how to bowl heavy ball. SA and AUS have same conditions, skill sets needed are very similar...They both beat each other all the time for a reason...

This tour Amir's major problem is fitness, inorder to be successful in AUS, he has to be lot fitter, his performance nose dive after GABBA. This has been problem with lot of our fast bowler in past as well... Wasim was more successful because he could lift the ball at fuller length (he was 6'3")... Question is why they keep on playing Amir, well others have been even worse, Captain and Coach does not have enough confidence in them....It is very clear both Coach and Captain think of Amir and Yasir as must have bowlers, despite too much work load...
 
I doubt it. The likes of Mir, Abbas, Sadaf, Sohail are green deck bowlers. They don't have the pace or lift required for honest bounce tracks. Neither are they relentlessly accurate like Philander who can peg away at a length all day.

Amir did pick up 5 at Brisbane dismissing Warner twice. He bowled well in the 2nd, just couldn't find that edge taking length. He's been flat this match, looks fatigued like the rest of them. They've played a lot of cricket in the past 6 months.

We need bowlers like Irfan, Ehtisham, and Ghulam here. Ghulam is too raw atm, Ehtisham has to play FC. Irfan I believe is ready. He isn't going to get any better in domestic, he needs international exposure. Hasan Ali is another option but I wouldn't debut him in Australia.
I'm just fooling around with you. I don't rate Mir at all.

But Amir has severely lacked impact on the game, yes he's bowled well in patches but does that have any affect on the game? No.

Currently I would pick any one of our domestic bullies ahead of Amir.
 
I'm just fooling around with you. I don't rate Mir at all.

But Amir has severely lacked impact on the game, yes he's bowled well in patches but does that have any affect on the game? No.

Currently I would pick any one of our domestic bullies ahead of Amir.

Amir is a domestic bully himself.
 
The spell he'll have with Essex in the English summer will benefit him massively
 
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