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We know that many Punjabis, Pathans and Sindhis have represented Pak at international level. Other then Aftab Baloch from the 1980's is there any other player from Balochistan who has represented Pakistan at international Cricket?
 
There haven't been many Sindhis either I guess. Name a single Sindhi who was a half decent player.

Players from Karachi are not Sindhis.
 
Danish kaneria was Sindhi Sindhi I guess. And all Karachi ones are Urdu Speaking Sindhis or Pashto Speaking Sindhis but they are Sindhis
 
Kaneria is a Marwari, Marwaris are not Sindhis. It's a different language altogether, spoken in Indian State of Rajasthan.
 
Aftab Baloch could have been a Pakistan great if not for Imran Khan. Actually met him many years ago and he seemed fairly bitter

So i looked into him. If theres someone who averages a 72 with the bat against a rampaging West indies side in the 70s then he surely deserved more than 2 test matches where he didnt even get to bowl despite being a proper all rounder.

Theres many people who put failures of other players to break into a team on some lobby but this is one guy who could have had a long career if not for the lahore lobby. Im not making things up. theres actual articles from that time alluding to this
 
the funny thing is that his 2 matches were 7 years apart

so he returns after 6-7 years.

makes a 60* and a 20-30 in the mactch against a rampaging West indies side. And he never plays again :))

why couldnt we play both imran and him
we always had 2 or so random players with no strong pedigree in the 70s and 80s
 
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I've hardly come across a balochi poster here. Representing the national team must be a far off possibility.
 
I have heard Balochis like Soccer more than cricket and subsequently many Balochis have represented Pakistan National Football team
 
Dman said:
Kaneria is a Marwari, Marwaris are not Sindhis. It's a different language altogether, spoken in Indian State of Rajasthan.
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But heard he hails from interior Sindh the Thar Desert Area. That area has a lot of Hindus living there before 1947. And his ancestors definitely didn't migrate from India in 1947. And if his family is living in Sindh for this long he is a Sindhi.
 
Ahmed4472 said:
But heard he hails from interior Sindh the Thar Desert Area. That area has a lot of Hindus living there before 1947. And his ancestors definitely didn't migrate from India in 1947. And if his family is living in Sindh for this long he is a Sindhi.
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Actually his family hails from Surat, Gujurat as per Wikipedia:
Kaneria was born in Karachi, Sindh, on 16 December 1980 to Shri Prabhashankarbhai Laljibhai Kaneria and Srimati Babitaben Prabhashankarbhai Kaneria. His family originally hails from Surat, Gujarat. Nicknamed "Danny" and "Nani-Danny", Kaneria attained Government Islamia College in Karachi.[2][8] Kaneria belongs to the Hindu Gujarati community of Pakistan.[9] Former Pakistani Test wicket-keeper Anil Dalpat is his cousin, and Kaneria is the second Hindu after him to represent the Pakistani team.
 
Your Baloch poster right here! ....but, just like any other poster here on PP from Balochistan (if there are any), I'm just a Baloch living in Punjab. And, I don't think even a single person born in Balochistan and living in Balochistan has represented Pakistan but Bismillah Khan may become the first one to do so!
 
AbdullahSalman said:
Your Baloch poster right here! ....but, just like any other poster here on PP from Balochistan (if there are any), I'm just a Baloch living in Punjab. And, I don't think even a single person born in Balochistan and living in Balochistan has represented Pakistan but Bismillah Khan may become the first one to do so!
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Nice to see a Baloch here finally!
 
Danish was Gujarati - like Jinnah, his family came to Karachi for business pre-partition.

Sharjeel Khan is from Hyderabad, but a Seriaki speaker. Not 'Sindhi' Sindhi.

Anil Dalpat, Kaneria's uncle(?) played for Pak too.

Problem with Sindhis is that the nearly entire middle class of Sindh pre-partition (urban city dwellers) were Hindu. There was a max exodus after partition, and they were replaced with Urdu speakers. The Sindhi's left were either zamindari muslims, or the peasantry (hindu and muslim), who lived in small towns, which have seen little development. Not surprising that there are few Sindhis that have played cricket for Pak then.

Tbh, majority of Pak cricketers have been Punjabis (make up majority of country), Migrants from India from Partition and their descendents (Urdu speakers, Gujarati, guess even some East Punjabis, etc) and Pathans (from Karachi/Punjab?).
 
Clearly not enough. There's no way to break in to the domestic set up if you are based in Balochistan.
 
My class had a fair number of students from Quetta and Dera bugti but they were not into cricket. They liked Football and one was good at squash.
 
Anyways for me it matters where you were raised up and played and learned your early cricket.

Its ridiculous that some people above are saying that ethnicity matters than where youre from

Afridi, Anwar Ali, Younis Khan all grew up and learned their cricket in Karachi. And they say that they are Karachiites and Karachi loves them back. As per some people above they shouldnt count as Karachi players just cuz of their ethnicity :facepalm:

If a player was born and grew up in Balochistan then he is a balochistan player.
 
Slog said:
he's urdu speaking as per my knowledge.

actually, as per him.
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Lol really, I met him when he was here for the A tour, and he told me he is a Seriaki speaker.

I assumed as he was from Hyderabad, he was an Urdu speaker (more likely than Sindhi), but he corrected me.
 
Zahid87 said:
Lol really, I met him when he was here for the A tour, and he told me he is a Seriaki speaker.

I assumed as he was from Hyderabad, he was an Urdu speaker (more likely than Sindhi), but he corrected me.
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lolwut.

he is confused then haha. my friend met him many years ago (2011-12 prolly) as he played most of his club cricket in karachi and thats what he told him :))

basically he said he is a karachi wala whose father moved to hyderabad for work
 
Not many from NWFP as well. This completely exposes the biased PCB, because their investment areas have mostly been Punjab and Sindh, while times are changing now, the talent is drying in Punjab and Sindh, if they don't invest equally in NWFP, Gilgit Baltistan, Kashmir and Balochistan, then we may continue to have poor talent in domestic cricket.
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Not many from NWFP as well. This completely exposes the biased PCB, because their investment areas have mostly been Punjab and Sindh, while times are changing now, the talent is drying in Punjab and Sindh, if they don't invest equally in NWFP, Gilgit Baltistan, Kashmir and Balochistan, then we may continue to have poor talent in domestic cricket.
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Umar Gul
Rizwan
Iftikhar
Imran Khan jr
Imran Khan jr jr
Rafatullah Mahmand
Junaid Khan
Yasir Shah

these are all players who have played in recent times

Quite a few others as well

Also its called Khyber Pukhtunkhwa :facepalm:
 
Slog said:
the question is that do they even want to? Prolly not
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I don't think the answer is that clear. Disadvantages groups need to see demonstrated pathways to success in order to follow it. It applies as much to cricket as to anything else. In Punjab, rural to urban migration is accepted and has translated in to success. Which is why it is not uncommon to find so many of our bowlers showing up from small towns that non ones heard of - and a lot of these guys credit some benefactor coach or club owner or family member who pushed them to take up the sport professionally or provided them basic facilities. In Sindh that doesn't play out very well at all: it's dominated by Karachi. So if you happen to be a talented player from the interior the chances of you ending up playing in urban Karachi are minimal, because there is no major support network. The only broad exceptions are younis khan, Sohail khan, Afridi, and anwar Ali. Their cases are different because their families call Karachi their home and had been settled for a long time in Karachi.
I think the politics of ethnicity (unintended or deliberate) play a big role in the composition of the national team. But a lot of folks attack this notion because they think some type of quota system or affirmative action is being suggested as a solution. Instead we should recognize that upward mobility requires pathways to success and role models of people who have followed those pathways.
 
Slog said:
Umar Gul
Rizwan
Iftikhar
Imran Khan jr
Imran Khan jr jr
Rafatullah Mahmand
Junaid Khan
Yasir Shah

these are all players who have played in recent times

Quite a few others as well

Also its called Khyber Pukhtunkhwa :facepalm:
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Not enough, biased PCB should invest equally.

And how many from Balochistan, Gilgit Baltistan and Kashmir?

The PCB is biased, tilted towards Sindh and Punjab, there is no doubt about this.
 
Pete Rose said:
I don't think the answer is that clear. Disadvantages groups need to see demonstrated pathways to success in order to follow it. It applies as much to cricket as to anything else. In Punjab, rural to urban migration is accepted and has translated in to success. Which is why it is not uncommon to find so many of our bowlers showing up from small towns that non ones heard of - and a lot of these guys credit some benefactor coach or club owner or family member who pushed them to take up the sport professionally or provided them basic facilities. In Sindh that doesn't play out very well at all: it's dominated by Karachi. So if you happen to be a talented player from the interior the chances of you ending up playing in urban Karachi are minimal, because there is no major support network. The only broad exceptions are younis khan, Sohail khan, Afridi, and anwar Ali. Their cases are different because their families call Karachi their home and had been settled for a long time in Karachi.
I think the politics of ethnicity (unintended or deliberate) play a big role in the composition of the national team. But a lot of folks attack this notion because they think some type of quota system or affirmative action is being suggested as a solution. Instead we should recognize that upward mobility requires pathways to success and role models of people who have followed those pathways.
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I agree overall. However in karachi cricket there is no politics of ethnicity. I am telling this with authority

A Sarfaraz or Asad Shafiq or Ghunman (sindhi) does not hold any advantage over an Anwar Ali or YK etc due to being from the politically dominant ethnicity

dont think thats true in punjab though.

Apart from ahmed shehzad who was the last non punjabi player who rose to the top? (though to be fair even as a society its not a melting pot or that accepting)
 
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Slog said:
I agree overall. However in karachi cricket there is no politics of ethnicity. I am telling this with authority

A Sarfaraz or Asad Shafiq or Ghunman (sindhi) does not hold any advantage over an Anwar Ali or YK etc due to being from the politically dominant ethnicity
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Anwar Ali and YK call Karachi their home . In case of Anwar Ali he is a second generation Karachiite. Politics of ethnicity is not always of the crude kind that we might have had say in the 90's.
Its far different and difficult for a young player to land up in Karachi now from Mardan and hope to make a case for playing first class or national team cricket.
 
Sharjeel is Urdu Speaking.

Shoaib Khan was Pashtoon from Baluchistan (They do refer to themselves as Balochi). So i guess that makes him the only one.

Players from Karachi are counted as Sindhi's but ask them if they are ethnic Sindhi's and there response would be no.

No Ethnic Sindhi has ever played for Pakistan
 
amarmak said:
Sharjeel is Urdu Speaking.

Shoaib Khan was Pashtoon from Baluchistan (They do refer to themselves as Balochi). So i guess that makes him the only one.

Players from Karachi are counted as Sindhi's but ask them if they are ethnic Sindhi's and there response would be no.

No Ethnic Sindhi has ever played for Pakistan
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we are urdu speaking sindhis :altaf
 
Xeeebon said:
Is baluch other country or a state of Pakistan?? Any info pls...
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huh? how can there be a country within a country

its a province of Pakistan

btw does bangladesh have any province? when you were part of Pak, bangladesh was one whole province
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Not a bad idea, but PCB has been a Punjab or Sindh Cricket Board so far, no signs of change are noticed.
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need to make the pie bigger before slicing it finer. Hopefully PSL etc brings more money in to the system. As much I am not a fan of talent schemes: but what Peshawar Zalmi or Lahore Qalanders are doing at least evens the chances of the small towns somewhat. To pick out someone from a non traditional cricket center.
 
Pete Rose said:
need to make the pie bigger before slicing it finer. Hopefully PSL etc brings more money in to the system. As much I am not a fan of talent schemes: but what Peshawar Zalmi or Lahore Qalanders are doing at least evens the chances of the small towns somewhat. To pick out someone from a non traditional cricket center.
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Other than this, PCB should at least hold domestic tournaments in NWFP or Balochistan as well, for years these T20 cups have always been held only in Sindh and Punjab, which is disgusting to see.
 
They love soccer . Current Pakistan football team captain is from Baluchistan .

Hope it was enough to satisfy some egos


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Azzurri said:
They love soccer . Current Pakistan football team captain is from Baluchistan .

Hope it was enough to satisfy some egos


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If you don't invest equally, then definitely they will divert their attention towards another sport.
 
well if we see in deep roots of sindh.. people play cricket volleyball and football mostly.. and we can see in the evening roads, ground filled with players.. while my stay in quetta for two months and visiting different coties there(nature of my job) i didnt see alot of sporting activity.. just saw in few occasions that peoples were playing football
 
The Last Of The Stars said:
Other than this, PCB should at least hold domestic tournaments in NWFP or Balochistan as well, for years these T20 cups have always been held only in Sindh and Punjab, which is disgusting to see.
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i will agree to it .. recent t20 was in multan and commentators were like it is good to see matches in these grounds where ppl lv cricket..
 
Baloch men and women do have a natural thing for football.

http://www.magtheweekly.com/05-11mar2016/cover.asp

But people in Sindh and Balochistan do love cricket as much as anyone else in the country. There are deep rooted problems in Pakistani society after the partition due to which there is no development of these areas into strong playing ones as well. (Not blaming the partition, just that the indigenous lost everything).
 
Slog said:
huh? how can there be a country within a country

its a province of Pakistan

btw does bangladesh have any province? when you were part of Pak, bangladesh was one whole province
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No. Bangladesh don't have any province. It's pretty small to be divided into several states. Also it's basically a one ethnic group country. Bengalis are almost 99% (!). However chittagong hll districts of South East are little different ethnically and geographically than rest of Bangladesh.

However we have 7 divisions. And I think even that's not needed. Sylhet,Khulna,Barisal,Dhaka,Chittagong ,Rajshahi are enough. They unnecessarily divided Rangpur from Rajshahi few years back. So now it's 7 from 6. Once we actually had 4 divisions. Now 7. Huh..
 
Anik Sharma said:
No. Bangladesh don't have any province. It's pretty small to be divided into several states. Also it's basically a one ethnic group country. Bengalis are almost 99% (!). However chittagong hll districts of South East are little different ethnically and geographically than rest of Bangladesh.

However we have 7 divisions. And I think even that's not needed. Sylhet,Khulna,Barisal,Dhaka,Chittagong ,Rajshahi are enough. They unnecessarily divided Rangpur from Rajshahi few years back. So now it's 7 from 6. Once we actually had 4 divisions. Now 7. Huh..
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U missed newly made mymensing division...its 8 division now...it will be 10 after 2019...comilla/noakhali and faridpur/gopalgonj will be those new two divisions...
 
Balochis don't play much cricket!!!
Balochis play football and boxing, Pakistan's national team usually has quiet a few Baloch players in it.
While in Boxing, the current WBC silver fly weight champion is Waseem (A Baloch), while Hussain Shah was another Baloch boxer who won Olympic medal for Pakistan
 
Slog said:
Umar Gul
Rizwan
Iftikhar
Imran Khan jr
Imran Khan jr jr
Rafatullah Mahmand
Junaid Khan
Yasir Shah

these are all players who have played in recent times

Quite a few others as well

Also its called Khyber Pukhtunkhwa :facepalm:
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Arshad Khan

Wajahatullah Wasti

Yasir Hameed
 
How many players from Mizoram have played cricket for India?
How many players from Tripura have played cricket for India?
How many players from Chattisgarh have played for India?
How many players from Lakshadweep have played for India?
How many players from Jammu Kashmir have played for India?
How many players from Odissa have played for India?

Balochistan is about 3% of Pakistan's population. There is nobody from Balochistan who could've made it to the team but didn't because of being a Balochi. And as somebody pointed out, Balochis are more involved in football and have a decent representation there.
 
And for those saying "Player A is not Sindhi because he doesn't speak Sindhi", you should apply same criteria for Punjab players too. Ahmed Shehzad's language is not Punjabi yet you count him as Punjabi. Inzi, Sohaib Maqsood and others from Southern Punjab are Seraikis yet you count them as Punjabis.
 
Shoaib Khan, while not an ethnic baloch(he was pakthon) was the first to represent to Pakistan from Balochistan. He played in that 2008 tri seres in Toronto.
Also, remember that there are a lot of Baloch tribes living in Punjab and Sindh for centuries(Zardari's, Mazari's,Leghari's, Khoso's etc) so there is a possiblity that a baloch based in Punjab or Sindh migh have represented Pakistan but not Balochistan baloch. They don't even make 1% of Pakistani population.
But if it's any solace, Pakistani boxers and football is entirely comprised of those. :P
As for Sindhis, I guess Azeem Ghuman had a great chance.
Also, look at teams in 50's and 60's, there should be one.
 
Soccer is the number one sport in balochistan.

Our national soccer team is mostly made of players from Balochistan
 
Baloch is as much Pakistani as Punjabis, Sindhis and Pathans. Its a different matter that we have not made them to feel Pakistani by bringing them in to the main stream. This is partly because they are so few in numbers.
 
Doesn't matter, when you play for Pak doesn't matter if you are from Karachi, Lahore, Quetta, Kashmir, Delhi. :moyo.
 
Baloch are something like 2% of Pak's population. How many Dalits went into Indian national team despite making 20% of their population ? Apart from that spinner ages ago and Vinod Kamble can't think of many. It's a matter of social class, from Punjab itself it was mainly upper class Lahore until the 80s (Waqar Younis).
 
Interestingly a poster above has mentioned how Aftab Baloch was not allowed to flourish due to the Punjab centric PCB or Imran Khan's attitude. Don't know if it's true our sour grapes but I have heard that IK stopped many players from progressing. Former pacer Jalaluddin once also made similar claims.
 
The only one I know of is Bismillah Khan but he has not debuted yet..
 
msb314 said:
The only one I know of is Bismillah Khan but he has not debuted yet..
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If Bismillah is a wicket keeper as I believe it will be hard for him to take the place of Sarfaraz who is doing so well.
 
Mir Hamza is also a Baloch and has a high chance of representing Pak, but he too is a Karachiite by birth.
 
Azzurri said:
They love soccer . Current Pakistan football team captain is from Baluchistan .

Hope it was enough to satisfy some egos


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Pakistan's best soccer player in recent times, Muhammad Essa was a Balouchi.
 
Anik Sharma said:
No. Bangladesh don't have any province. It's pretty small to be divided into several states. Also it's basically a one ethnic group country. Bengalis are almost 99% (!). However chittagong hll districts of South East are little different ethnically and geographically than rest of Bangladesh.

However we have 7 divisions. And I think even that's not needed. Sylhet,Khulna,Barisal,Dhaka,Chittagong ,Rajshahi are enough. They unnecessarily divided Rangpur from Rajshahi few years back. So now it's 7 from 6. Once we actually had 4 divisions. Now 7. Huh..
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Smaller the governing units the better. But the thing with South Asian countries is each level of government adds an extra layer of corruption.

There will corruption at the national level, then at the province level (division for BD), then at the district level, and then at the union council level... What started out as 100 ruppees for development will become 1 paisa by the time it reached the actual people needing it.
 
Dman said:
There haven't been many Sindhis either I guess. Name a single Sindhi who was a half decent player.

Players from Karachi are not Sindhis.
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what? Karachi is in Sindh so players from Karachi are definitely Sindhis. This is not rocket science to not understand :facepalm:
 
srh said:
what? Karachi is in Sindh so players from Karachi are definitely Sindhis. This is not rocket science to not understand :facepalm:
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He means ethnic Sindhis who have risied in Sindh for hundreds of years, most people from Karachi are either Punjabi or migrants who come from India during the partition.

Also Karachi has a very large Pashtun population, one of my Pashtun friends told me that there are more Pathans in Karachi then in Peshawar.
 
Pete Rose said:
I don't think the answer is that clear. Disadvantages groups need to see demonstrated pathways to success in order to follow it. It applies as much to cricket as to anything else. In Punjab, rural to urban migration is accepted and has translated in to success. Which is why it is not uncommon to find so many of our bowlers showing up from small towns that non ones heard of - and a lot of these guys credit some benefactor coach or club owner or family member who pushed them to take up the sport professionally or provided them basic facilities. In Sindh that doesn't play out very well at all: it's dominated by Karachi. So if you happen to be a talented player from the interior the chances of you ending up playing in urban Karachi are minimal, because there is no major support network. The only broad exceptions are younis khan, Sohail khan, Afridi, and anwar Ali. Their cases are different because their families call Karachi their home and had been settled for a long time in Karachi.
I think the politics of ethnicity (unintended or deliberate) play a big role in the composition of the national team. But a lot of folks attack this notion because they think some type of quota system or affirmative action is being suggested as a solution. Instead we should recognize that upward mobility requires pathways to success and role models of people who have followed those pathways.
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Good post

Syed1 said:
Pakistan's best soccer player in recent times, Muhammad Essa was a Balouchi.
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At one point 8-9 players in the soccer team were Baloch. This, despite Balochis accounting for a mere 2% (or 3) of the national population
 
Kaneria is not a Sindhi, though he is a Hindu but does not speak the local language and hails from Rajasthan.

Interior Sindh has seen much larger misrepresentation in cricket. Not a single Sindhi has ever represented Pakistan, interior Sindh, despite accounting for ~ 20% population, has never seen a player in national colours. Likes of Afraz Khoso pop up and go into oblivion

Balochis, if not in cricket, at least feature prominently in football
 
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