How many greats are there in the current game?

[Hitman]

LOL, Amla, with an average of 47, is as much of an ATG as Stuart Broad.

 

[gazza619]

LOL, Amla, with an average of 47, is as much of an ATG as Stuart Broad.

Amla has maintained that test average home and away. And he averages 50 in ODIs and 34 in T20s.
If we are adding Steven Smith, Steyn etc to the list than Amla also deserves to be in there.

 

[Hitman]

Amla has maintained that test average home and away. And he averages 50 in ODIs and 34 in T20s.
If we are adding Steven Smith, Steyn etc to the list than Amla also deserves to be in there.

Averages 44.7 away from home, good but nothing great. Test cricket is the main format where a player's greatness in judged, ODI cricket is an add on that enhances the already established greatness of a player. Amla is a brilliant batsman of his era, but calling him an ATG is as hilarious as calling Stuart Broad the same. Steyn is a bona fide ATG and one of the greatest Test bowlers ever. Steve Smith is not a great yet, in my opinion. But he will probably be one in a few years.

 

[gazza619]

Averages 44.7 away from home, good but nothing great. Test cricket is the main format where a player's greatness in judged, ODI cricket is an add on that enhances the already established greatness of a player. Amla is a brilliant batsman of his era, but calling him an ATG is as hilarious as calling Stuart Broad the same. Steyn is a bona fide ATG and one of the greatest Test bowlers ever. Steve Smith is not a great yet, in my opinion. But he will probably be one in a few years.

Amla’s away average is nearly 47, checked that on howstat. And simply because he is a giant limited overs cricketer (in both ODIs and T20s), that makes him a great. To compare him with Stuart Broad is a joke. Broad will not even make it to Aghanistan ODI/T20 eleven.

 

[Hitman]

Amla’s away average is nearly 47, checked that on howstat. And simply because he is a giant limited overs cricketer (in both ODIs and T20s), that makes him a great. To compare him with Stuart Broad is a joke. Broad will not even make it to Aghanistan ODI/T20 eleven.

Sorry, forgot to include Amla's neutral venue record while checking out his away record. But how is comparing him with Broad a joke? Broad has 433 Test wickets at an average of 28.92 and an away average of 32.11

Yes, Amla is a much better ODI player. But then again ODI cricket performances merely enhances the greatness of an already great player.

 

[gazza619]

Sorry, forgot to include Amla's neutral venue record while checking out his away record. But how is comparing him with Broad a joke? Broad has 433 Test wickets at an average of 28.92 and an away average of 32.11

Yes, Amla is a much better ODI player. But then again ODI cricket performances merely enhances the greatness of an already great player.

For a fast bowler to have an average of 29 considering he plays like 8 test matches at ideal home conditions every year does not speak high volume.
Broad and Amla are in two different leagues.

 

[HitWicket]

You are only looking at 3 years of away performances. Why?

Because the original poster claimed he was getting worse away from home...?

 

[CadPakFan]

Kohli, Steyn, Anderson, Dhoni, Shakib and Smith

 

[gazza619]

Kohli, Steyn, Anderson, Dhoni, Shakib and Smith

Yeah Kohli and Steyn are right up there. Also agreed on Dhoni who has done well enough in all formats.

 

[Last Monetarist]

For mine, there is a borderline ATG in Kohli, but he needs to maintain this consistency for another 5 years. Sadly, I think there are only two ATGs playing today : Steyn and Anderson.

 

[the_outsider]

For mine, there is a borderline ATG in Kohli, but he needs to maintain this consistency for another 5 years. Sadly, I think there are only two ATGs playing today : Steyn and Anderson.

Dhoni

 

[Last Monetarist]

Dhoni

I only consider great test performers as ATGs, as I don't really care about the other formats.

Dhoni is undoubtedly a limited overs cricket ATG.

 

[the_outsider]

I only consider great test performers as ATGs, as I don't really care about the other formats.

Dhoni is undoubtedly a limited overs cricket ATG.

Okay. Fair enough.

 

[New Yorker]

Herath didnt do well against India, failed in his biggest test.

Flat wickets argument doesnt count for him. Like Ashwin, he has played on many spin friendly home wickets. Sl wickets are flat for pace bowlers not spinners. Away from home, he averages 36.

An SL great but not ATG.

Warne didn't do well against India. Murli didn't do well against Aus.

It may not be surprising that Indians think playing India is the biggest test, but for the rest of the world, the question has to be,

So what?

400 + wickets, 9 10 fers, 34 5fers, best spinner of this type (Bedi had only 1 10 fer in his entire career and a SR of 80, compared to 59 for Herath.)

ATG enough.

 

[CricketDon]

Kohli is an ATG
Root willl be an aTG
Stern is an ATG
Anderson is an ATG
Broad is an ATG
Rohit Will be an ATG
Dohni is an ATG
Yasir shah will be an ATG
Starc will be an ATG
Amla will be an ATG
Kane will be an ATG

Maybe they ain’t in PO but in real life they are and will.

 

[smart19870]

Can you explain, how Smith is ATG and Kohli is not? I have a doubt on your cricketing knowledge

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Smith, warner, root,

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Kohli is an ATG(he is pretty much assured a place in the list but needs to play a little bit more to be properly cemented there)
Dale Steyn is definitely an ATG even though he is not that good in ODI's esp knockouts.
Steve Smith might become an ATG if he comes back as the same force he was before his ban.
James Anderson might become an ATG if he keeps on improving his ever receding bowling average.
Kagiso Rabada has the potential to be an ATG if he continues to perform in Tests and improves in LOI's.

Ross Taylor, Kane Williamson, Trent Boult will definitely be NZ ATG's when they retire.

Joe Root, Stuart Broad will be England's ATG's when they retire.

Root and Williamson can become ATG if they have monstrous next 4-5 years.

Mitchell Starc is on his way to become an Australian ATG and maybe LOI ATG. In Tests, he might have a chance if he improves further in next 3-4 years.

Of Pakistan, Azhar Ali will definitely be a Pakistani ATG. Babar will have to improve A LOT if he is to become one.

Faf and Imran Tahir can be considered South African greats by the time they retire.

Ashwin's recent failures in England have set him back a bit further. Plus he doesn't boast a good enough ODI or T20 career either. At best, he might end up as an Indian ATG.

 

[Sidilicious]

ABD, Kohli are bonafide all format ATG.

Steyn and Anderson are Test ATGs.

Amla, Steve Smith, Root, Williamson are All format greats and could go on to become ATGs

and BTW a

All format ATG (Kohli) > Test ATG but a useful LOI player (Amla, Steyn, Anderson) > All format Great (Root, Smith) > ODI ATG and useful Test Player (Dhoni) >Test ATG and useless LOI Player (Cook) > ODI ATG but useless Test player (Rohit)> Others (KArthik the keeper)

Dhoni, Rohit, Gayle are ODI ATGs.

Cook & Broad are Test Great, and could become a test ATG. Not Cook though

 

[BD-fan]

Is Williamson is mentioned? If great is measured by shear numbers, stats, then He will be up there one day.

Pritivi Shaw. I called it first here.

 

[DuckMaster]

The entire Pakistan team. Bilal Asif is the latest Great in the game.

 

[Mamoon]

Ben Stokes has entered the list.

 

[Cricketrenew]

Kohli, Stokes after the world cup and today is on the list now.
Zero from Pakistan,
India - Kohli
England - Stokes, Anderson ermm no he is not ATG as he only does it in England.
Aussie - Smith.
Zero from West Indies.
Zero from New Zealand.
zero from South Africa - De Viliers would have been on the list.

No ATG bowlers, wicket keepers, few batsman....currently. Thinking about its not the best era.

 

[ManFan]

Ben Stokes has entered the list.

He needs to be a little more consistent.

This is enough to be considered a great in this era but an ATG needs a few more performances like this.

Regardless, he has proved his haters (including myself) wrong after the 2016 WT20 Cup.

I’d say the ECB needs to take a gamble and make him captain. The responsibility will make him more disciplined and he can command respect in a manner that Root simply cannot.

 

[Majid Khan]

Only Hafeez from Pakistan among current players if you are talking about all time greats as he’s proven himself at test cricket and rated very highly by the best fast bowlers of his era I’m told.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Of the players currently playing internationals

Tier 1

Steve Smith
Virat Kohli
Ben Stokes
Kane Williamson

Tier 2

Rohit Sharma
Joe Root
David Warner
Mitch Starc

 

[Ab Fan]

He needs to be a little more consistent.

This is enough to be considered a great in this era but an ATG needs a few more performances like this.

Regardless, he has proved his haters (including myself) wrong after the 2016 WT20 Cup.

I’d say the ECB needs to take a gamble and make him captain. The responsibility will make him more disciplined and he can command respect in a manner that Root simply cannot.

Root has played a lot of good to great innings but he doesn't have ATG innings in his name.

Ben Stokes has three ATG innings with the bat already IMO.

WC Final 2019
Headingley 2019
Capetown 2016( 260 odd)

 

[Aman]

Smith, Kohli and Stokes are the all time greats of this generation.

Starc is an ODI GOAT though.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Smith, Kohli and Stokes are the all time greats of this generation.

Starc is an ODI GOAT though.

Rabada will soon join with a year or two. He has the best SR in test history.

 

[Aman]

Of the players currently playing internationals

Tier 1

Steve Smith
Virat Kohli
Ben Stokes
Kane Williamson

Tier 2

Rohit Sharma
Joe Root
David Warner
Mitch Starc

Rohit and Starc are ATGs in ODIs.

The only ATGs across formats are Smith, Kohli and Stokes.

Kane missed his chance with the WC, he could have become NZ's Imran Khan if he led us to a WC. He's not like Smith or Kohli either who are ruthless run scoring machines either. Sure fire NZ great and second tier ATG in the bracket of Dravid, Laxman, Hayden etc..

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Rohit and Starc are ATGs in ODIs.

The only ATGs across formats are Smith, Kohli and Stokes.

Kane missed his chance with the WC, he could have become NZ's Imran Khan if he led us to a WC. He's not like Smith or Kohli either who are ruthless run scoring machines either. Sure fire NZ great and second tier ATG in the bracket of Dravid, Laxman, Hayden etc..

Yeah, as much as I love Williamson he is not a tier 1 ATG. He just doesn't have the X factor, is neither dominating nor a run machine. All tier 1 ATG are inhuman freaks of nature.

 

[James]

Agree with Smith, Kohli and Stokes for the god tier.

Honourable mentions for Jimmy Anderson and Kane Williamson.

 

[Mujtaba2900]

The problem with This Comparison Is Comparing Bateman from one Era To other is Just Plain Stupid.
And Calling Ben Stokes ATG Is Also Stretch
In That Sense Dont you Think Kusal Parera Falls On The Same Category He Made 154 Earlier this year chasing Target and Played Some Brilliant innings in WC So Why not.
Other Thing Is That Calling Batsman ATG Based on Just Test Format Is Another Absurd idea
In That Sense Dravid Tendulkar ( played 200 Test Dont think kohli or Smith gonna play 200 ) Ponting Javed Miandad better then kohli han ?
Kohli Is ATG BCZ he Is All Format Player His Average is 50+ in all Format Which Is Just Mind Blowing
ATG Or Only Those Who are Or were Great In Both ODI or Test Formats
Sharma Can't Even Touch A moving ball Evident by Semi Final and You Are Calling him Odi Great
This FAB 4 Conversation Has Always overshadowed ABD
Abd Srike Rate is 101 With an average if 52 And Test average of 53
But no Rohit Comes First Ans Is ATG

And We have Only Started watching Cricket For 2 decades there's Whole Century of Cricket
But No Only This Generation is ATG