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How much has MRF pace academy benefited Indian cricket?

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I know coaching alone cannot make the difference..but seriously..after Srinath and Zaheer we haven't had a consistent pacer. Ishant is prone to injuries..same goes for Varun Aaron...My concern is are they first of all able to identify the proper talents on merit?

Deniis LIllie once stated "The problem with Indian bowlers is that they believe they can give 60% during training so that they can put in 100% in the actual match. But the reality is tyhey need to put 110% in training so that they can put 100% in actual match"..

For me the MRF pace academy has been a medium pace academy for Indian cricket..
 
If BCCI wants to improve the bowling, they have to do their own coaching and not rely on private foundations.
 
Not a lot really, by exposing the young indian quics in the ipl and champs league in front of huge audiances it's enabled them to become better cricketers and tougher cricketers, so conclusion it's the ipl which is doing wonders for cricket india
 
Seriously??
Because I think the current Indian pace attack is the best one they've had in years. There was just that period in the early 2000s where it seemed Irfan and Zaheer would fill the void but we all know how that turned out.
Deniis LIllie once stated "The problem with Indian bowlers is that they believe they can give 60% during training so that they can put in 100% in the actual match. But the reality is tyhey need to put 110% in training so that they can put 100% in actual match"..
This will determine how good the current pace attack will be. It has potential but it all depends on the individual and how hard they will train. So far so good. We all know Irfan Pathan did the complete opposite of that so only time will tell
 
Well they have the best pace attack in the subcontinent at the moment.

India
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Sri Lanka
Nepal
 
saj786 said:
Not a lot really, by exposing the young indian quics in the ipl and champs league in front of huge audiances it's enabled them to become better cricketers and tougher cricketers, so conclusion it's the ipl which is doing wonders for cricket india
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Been useless in spite of big names being involved. Agree with posters above me. IPL has helped identify more talent then this academy.
 
It is not MRF pace academy's fault that all bowlers lose 10-15k of speed after spending 1 year in international circuit. They gace us so many promising fast bowlers but all suffered the same fate. Bowling fast requires hard work and training, something which our bowlers are unwilling to do.

Also, we don't back our bowlers if they go for some runs. Dhoni was particularly fond of line and length bowlers who would keep one end tight. How can anyone explain Pankaj Sharma playing ahead of Umesh Yadav in England?

MRF pace academy is doing what it is supposed to do. Also, having a Lilee/McGrath as mentor for a 16-17 year old budding fast bowler can only help him.
 
adarsh_bang said:
Been useless in spite of big names being involved. Agree with posters above me. IPL has helped identify more talent then this academy.
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And how many of these identified bowlers have gone on to play for India?
 
Mamoon said:
Well they have the best pace attack in the subcontinent at the moment.

India
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Sri Lanka
Nepal
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Potential wise, we definitely do have better bunch of bowlers atm. However our handling of bowlers ensure they never develop into becoming world-class bowlers.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Potential wise, we definitely do have better bunch of bowlers atm. However our handling of bowlers ensure they never develop into becoming world-class bowlers.
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The current crop of Indian pacers give a different impression to me, they are here to stay.
 
Romali_rotti said:
MRF Pace academy has given ZILCH NOTHING NO QUALITY FAST BOWLERS FOR INDIA
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That is not exactly true. Talent was never an issue for Indian pacers over the last 15-20 years. The Indian team management does not know how to handle fast bowlers. Joe Dawes said that the Indian fast bowlers bowl a lot and I thing the other factor is that they bowl a lot in the wrong formats. The Indian fast bowlers don't play first class cricket at all except for test cricket. They don't get to work on their bowling. They play in ODI's, meaningless T20 games which does not give them too many chances to work on their bowling and improve. Zaheer Khan became a different bowling once he had one full county stint. People don't know that Javagal Srinath was pretty much a one dimensional bowler before he had a successful county stint in mid nineties. He came back from there and had worked on the ball which straightens from the angle he bowled with pace.

Pace foundations and coaching can do only that much. It depends if the bowler wants to work on his bowling or not. But again if you are paid ridiculous amount of money to get hammered around the park for 2 months, who wants to work on their bowling? Stop blaming the coaching centers and the coaches, it is the board and the bowlers themselves who need to be held accountable.
 
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To me Shami and Yadav (the current) are better than Zaheer and Srinath (oldies).
 
Our fast bowlers are LAZY, BRAINLESS and lack ATTITUDE. And unfortunately the desi coaches are the same too. For them it is impossible to have both pace and accuracy at the same time, and our bowlers do believe in that theory.
 
brute said:
And how many of these identified bowlers have gone on to play for India?
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Umesh Yadav made news when he was hitting 140k.
I think Sandeep Sharma should get a chance although he isnt exactly a 'Pacer'
Mohit Sharma played for India in the WC!

Among spinners Ashwin and Sir made news in the IPL isn't it?
 
adarsh_bang said:
Umesh Yadav made news when he was hitting 140k.
I think Sandeep Sharma should get a chance although he isnt exactly a 'Pacer'
Mohit Sharma played for India in the WC!

Among spinners Ashwin and Sir made news in the IPL isn't it?
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Yadav's name had already spread playing for Vidharbha before he was picked for IPL. Anyways, his performance in IPL hadn't been that great to warrant a place in the national side.

I will give you Ashwin and Mohit but you can hardly call Jadeja a success at the international level. He has managed to stay in the team just because he is managed by Dhoni's company.
 
How India can get good fast bowlers? If they can try nabbing them from Pakistan.

"You shake a tree in Pakistan and fast bowlers fall out like leaves." - Ravi Shastri.
 
i think the MRF has done 0 for helping India...maybe I'm unaware but to be honest I don't know of any Indian pacer who can go head to head with the likes of Steyn, Starc, Milne...the 150kph club is elite and India is one team that desperately needs to be a part of it.
 
MRF is not needed anymore. IPL is doing much better job in getting better bowlers.
 
A lot of times, when talented pacers are identified and taken to MRF, the damage is already done. Proper diet was never taken by these pacers when they were kids. They all look super scrawny, lack muscle and its hard to improve on fitness and strength at the age of 20 or 21. They can surely improve a bit, but they can never reach the fitness and strength of an Aussie or Kiwi bowler.
 
Mamoon said:
Well they have the best pace attack in the subcontinent at the moment.

India
Pakistan
Bangladesh
Sri Lanka
Nepal
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You just had to say something really controversial and drift the entire discussion towards something else, very well done!.. now get back to your books walter junior.
 
aslaisnomasla said:
You just had to say something really controversial and drift the entire discussion towards something else, very well done!.. now get back to your books walter junior.
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Actually it is a fact. Something is controversial only if you believe that it's controversial, otherwise it is not. Facts can be bitter, but let's not make a controversy out of them because we don't like them.
 
Munaf Patel was the best thing which happened to Indian fast bowling in last 10 12 years. Mrf had a big role in it.
When he debuted he used to bowl at 138 to 149 kph along with bounce , swing , seam but soon he became a trundler.
The way Centre of excellence cricket Australia resurrected dead horse Mitchell Johnson into a dangerous bowler with speed better than his previous best years ago due to work on his action biomechanics and fitness levels , the same could not be achieved by MRF regarding Munaf Patel
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
Munaf Patel was the best thing which happened to Indian fast bowling in last 10 12 years. Mrf had a big role in it.
When he debuted he used to bowl at 138 to 149 kph along with bounce , swing , seam but soon he became a trundler.
The way Centre of excellence cricket Australia resurrected dead horse Mitchell Johnson into a dangerous bowler with speed better than his previous best years ago due to work on his action biomechanics and fitness levels , the same could not be achieved by MRF regarding Munaf Patel
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Talk when those Aussie pacers do something on Asian pitches. They have been failing since 2004! other than one 5fer by Ryan Harris on a rank turner in Lanka, they have NOTHING to show in test cricket in Asian teams against the 3 Asian giants!

Random Aussie should be ashamed fro ignoring the struggles of his teams's pacers in Asia.

Sa and even Eng have OUTBOWLED Aussies in Asia in the last 10 years. A FACT!
 
sshakir411 said:
still producing quicker bowlers than India has in their entire cricketing history
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Obsessed with pace? Pakistani pacers being better historically than Indian pacers is a fact, but quicker pace is not the lone reason for that!
both Waqar and Akhtar have poor records against India especially in tests!

and why return to Aamer again, if Pak is still producing pacers 'at will' like you claim?
 
sshakir411 said:
i think the MRF has done 0 for helping India...maybe I'm unaware but to be honest I don't know of any Indian pacer who can go head to head with the likes of Steyn, Starc, Milne...the 150kph club is elite and India is one team that desperately needs to be a part of it.
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Steyn no longer bowls 150ks. it is a rarity now.
and Milne ? Yadav outbowled him by a mile recently. you didn't watch the world cup? huh?

India did break that 150kph elite club in tests. Varun Aaron did it but no accuracy and he was terrible as result! even Ishant did it.
 
The biggest contribution that MRF pace academy has made to Indian Cricket is Dennis Lillie advising a 12 year boy named Sachin Tendulkar to concentrate on batting and forget fast bowling
 
Bhuveneshwar Kumar is quality, and Shami is a very decent bowler.

No doubt India has come a long way in terms of their pace department. There is still the lack of a genuine quality pacer, but hey, things are much better now than they were 5-6 years ago.
 
Our pace bowling in ODIs is excellent nowadays probably top 3 attack.
Its the test attack that is the problem.
 
Lethalweapon said:
Steyn no longer bowls 150ks. it is a rarity now.
and Milne ? Yadav outbowled him by a mile recently. you didn't watch the world cup? huh?

India did break that 150kph elite club in tests. Varun Aaron did it but no accuracy and he was terrible as result! even Ishant did it.
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Steyn is still quicker than most bowlers out there. I did see the worldcup but not all games...and lets be honest, varun guy isn't known by people outside of India yet and lets not bring Ishant in this discussion. My point was that India hasn't produced a threatening quick...Ishant might have had patches of brilliance but those patches don't count for him to be considered among steyn and starc, milne was just a name i threw out there because the kid is quick...and will only get quicker...can't say the same for Indian bowlers
 
Lethalweapon said:
Obsessed with pace? Pakistani pacers being better historically than Indian pacers is a fact, but quicker pace is not the lone reason for that!
both Waqar and Akhtar have poor records against India especially in tests!

and why return to Aamer again, if Pak is still producing pacers 'at will' like you claim?
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aamir wasn't around for the last 5 years. the fact is that in terms of quick bowlers we still lead India (Like India leads us in batting)...wahab is just an example...he was really our second string until this world cup. I'm not trying to offend Indians here but think about it, which indian can you compare to waqar or akhtar...better yet how many of India's' quick have actually come close to being a threat in world cricket...i really can't think of any. maybe zk when he was at his peek (but only at his peek)
 
Interesting name MRF Pace Academy. They are doing exactly what they are known for i.e producing tyres. MRF tyres are good as long as they are new and then after a while they become useless. Same goes with indian trundlers they are good initially but after sometime they become useless.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Interesting name MRF Pace Academy. They are doing exactly what they are known for i.e producing tyres. MRF tyres are good as long as they are new and then after a while they become useless. Same goes with indian trundlers they are good initially but after sometime they become useless.
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MRF was ignored for almost a decade!

the NCA at Bangalore was it s pseudo replacement!
 
MRF was ignored for almost a decade!

the NCA at Bangalore was it s pseudo replacement!

The Indians in this thread are unaware of this. that is strange!


you don't use MRF for al ong time and then brand it a failure. WOW!
 
Well even Sachin was selected to be trained at this academy lol. How many of these Indian bowlers do actually come out of this academy ?
 
I don't think that Indian has got something out of this academy.They still don't have arsenals to win tests in England, Australia, South Africa.

They have got one or two guys who can bowl 140 cages, like Shami, Varun. Still they are not in the class of Shoib, Waqar, Stein, Wasim who can win you matches
 
Interesting to hear the views of PPers about this thread?

So has MRF pace academy actually made an impact??
 
Mainul said:
I don't think that Indian has got something out of this academy.They still don't have arsenals to win tests in England, Australia, South Africa.

They have got one or two guys who can bowl 140 cages, like Shami, Varun. Still they are not in the class of Shoib, Waqar, Stein, Wasim who can win you matches
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5 years and we have an excellent pace trio plus back ups.
 
Thanks to MRF tyres.

As a show of gratitude, i am going to replace my car tyres from ceat to MRF.
 
Bump.has this academy produce bowlers? Did pakistani players attemd this academy to?
 
McGrath wouldn't be talking about it without fruition.

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When you have money and know how to use it as a cricket board, good things happen.

They didn’t always have the money either, when they didn’t, had their priorities in order and slowly attracted top quality ex players like Lillee and whoever else to work with young kids / teenagers who we see these days playing games.

Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Even if Pakistan were to follow the BCCI blueprint of success starting today it will take a good 10-15 years till those efforts leak over to the national team and we start seeing victories in test series in Aus, WC wins and whatnot.

Our fans and administrators think it’s as simple as having Waqar as coach, then switching to Mickey and then to Misbah and then whoever else. Or some random PSL team giving a random tape ball player on the streets a chance, lol. A non sensical trial and error circus is what we’re doing rn.
 
Major said:
Bump.has this academy produce bowlers? Did pakistani players attemd this academy to?
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To answer your question, yes Pakistani bowlers have attended the academy, though only for a short stint. In 2005, the PCB sent four bowlers to the academy - Mohammad Asif the most famous of the four along with Mohammad Khalil, Riaz Afridi and Mohammad Irshad (don't know the three guys).
 
street cricketer said:
To answer your question, yes Pakistani bowlers have attended the academy, though only for a short stint. In 2005, the PCB sent four bowlers to the academy - Mohammad Asif the most famous of the four along with Mohammad Khalil, Riaz Afridi and Mohammad Irshad (don't know the three guys).
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Riaz Afridi is Shaheen's older brother. Was quite good during the U-19 years.
 
Some fans still believe Pakistni fast bowlers fall off from ripening trees and the talent is endless lol.
 
I think the Australian series is the turning point for bowlers......newcomers has put their hands up
 
volcyz said:
Some fans still believe Pakistni fast bowlers fall off from ripening trees and the talent is endless lol.
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Actually it is still the same case probably there are even more trees now , but the problem is people don't eat raw fruit from trees and now days they require the fruit to be washed, polish , canned and supplied directly to their house , it isn't the case now as in the past where raw fruit was sufficient
 
Just been smashed for 337 from 43 overs :P

But in all seriousness, the academy has been a great investment by BCCI largely down to having the right people working there. No point investing in a project like this if you don't have the right people working there.
 
Saj said:
Just been smashed for 337 from 43 overs :P

But in all seriousness, the academy has been a great investment by BCCI largely down to having the right people working there. No point investing in a project like this if you don't have the right people working there.
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Just imagine the vitriol if we got smashed like the Ind bowlers today. If push came to shove, England could have chased this down in under 40 overs.
 
Troy Cooley to be NCA's new fast bowling coach; exclusive 'pacers contract' on anvil

NEW DELHI: The BCCI is all set to appoint decorated Australian coach Troy Cooley as fast bowling coach at the National Cricket Academy with an aim to create the country's next generation of speed merchants.
Cooley is considered one of the best fast bowling coaches in world cricket.

His biggest moment of glory came as England's bowling coach during the historic 2005 Ashes where the home team's fast bowlers became a nightmare for the Aussie batters.

The success of Andrew Flintoff, Matthew Hoggard, Simon Jones and Steve Harmison was attributed to the presence of Cooley in the English dressing room and his role in plotting the Australian downfall.

"I would say one of the biggest success for both Sourav (Ganguly) and Jay (Shah) is to convince Troy Cooley to work with India's next batch of pacers at the National Cricket Academy (NCA)," a senior BCCI official privy to development told PTI on conditions of anonymity.

"We are hearing that BCCI is giving Cooley a three-year contract and he will closely coordinate with head of Cricket VVS Laxman.
After his massive success in the English fold in 2005, Cooley was roped in by Australia very next year and he worked till 2010-11 season after which he joined Cricket Australia's Centre of Excellence in Brisbane.

With Ishant Sharma, Mohammed Shami and Umesh Yadav, all in the wrong side of 30s and possibly will be around only for another two years, the BCCI is already planning on how to prepare the next crop of fast bowlers and one of the decisions set to be taken is an 'Exclusive Young Pacers Contract'.

It is understood that Ganguly, Shah along with head coach Dravid and NCA head Laxman are trying to devise a contract that is exclusive and different from the central contract.
It is learnt that Cooley and Laxman will hand-pick 10 young fast bowlers, who are currently not in the national reckoning or do not have central contracts.

These young pacers will be hand-picked from the junior and first-class cricket and handed 'BCCI fast bowlers' contract.' They will be evaluated by Dravid and Laxman to see if they can be fast tracked into the pathways team (India A) and then senior team.

Former India players Hrishikesh Kanitkar and Shiv Sunder Das are back in the National cricket Academy fold in their familiar role as batting coaches. The third batting coach in the group is Sitanshu Kotak, who is set to travel to South Africa with the India A team.

Former Mumbai leg-spinner Sairaj Bahutule will be the spin bowling coach while the three fielding coaches employed by the BCCI for NCA specific role are Subhadeep Ghosh, T Dilip and Munish Bali.

Diliep is currently working with the Indian senior team for the series against New Zealand while Subhadeep is currently going to accompany the A team to South Africa.

Bali is expected to work with the India U-19.
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