How was Moeen Ali dropped for rookie off-spinner Dominic Bess?

[jazbati]

Can't believe they have dropped Moeen Ali for this rookie off spinner?

He did the business with ball and bat regularly. Good news for us then!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Strange decision. No English spinner has done anything of note in Australia from what I can recall. Sure he didn't bat well either but coming in mostly when England were in tatters, wasn't easy.

This kid Bess seems to have a good competitive nature but isn't anything special to be given a Lords debut at 20 years old. No offence to him but Pakistan have dozens of much better spinners who wouldn't get anywhere near the first team.

This new selector has had a shocker in the first test of the summer.

 

[jazbati]

Shocker indeed. Butler was a good inclusion. I agree with that but Bess was a disaster. Wood could have been replaced by Woakes as well.

 

[pakistani pride]

Players on the bench always look good. Both are not test standard bowlers.

 

[Slog]

Moeen Ali has been terrible for a while and his performances and statistics reflect that

It was time for a change. The forum is dominated by British Pakistanis so obviously there is an emotional attachment to him and wanting him to do well but sometimes the proofs in the pudding

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He will be back for the tests against India.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Moeen Ali has been terrible for a while and his performances and statistics reflect that

It was time for a change. The forum is dominated by British Pakistanis so obviously there is an emotional attachment to him and wanting him to do well but sometimes the proofs in the pudding

The only one being emotional here is you. Plenty of fans from all over the world would have kept Moeen over Bess. You obviously have little idea in regards to what type of players are in the English county circuit.

Nothing wrong with changing but only if you bring in someone who is clearly a better player.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Moeen has failed away quite consistently now. Need someone who can perform with the ball both home and away and ideally it should have been Crane. However, this is one of only 2 selections that England got right for this test. The other being that of Jos buttler and both have stood up and delivered. Need to give both a consistent run. Moeebs test career is over.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Moeen is still pretty good in home conditions. It takes guts to select a player who has struggled with the understanding he will come good in conditions he is familiar with.

 

[ArsenalFC]

Even thought I'm a fan of Moeen Ali, it was only fair that he was dropped because he had lost the plot with the bat. Bess has come in and scored a half century. He's only 20/21 playing his first test, so he will get better. His FC bowling stats are exceptional.

Moeen Ali needs some performances for his county before he can be reconsidered or it could very well be that he's just been rested or it's the management giving him a message that your place in the side isn't guaranteed.

In the IPL, Moeen Ali got out to single figure scores in 3 of the 4 innings he batted (with tame dismissals as well). He isn't in the right mindset to come back for England just yet. I hope he comes back in tests sooner rather than later.

 

[Markhor]

They didn't drop Moeen for Bess though - it was Jack Leach who came in and got injured so Bess replaced him.

Moeen had an awful winter with bat and ball.

 

[Hasan123]

Moen has been in poor form for a while so he had to be dropped. He was given 4 years of backing so you can't complain of him not being given a chance.

 

[hadi123]

I was surprised Moeen Ali was dropped. He was poor in the winter but he was good at home and I think he's naturally better in England than away.

 

[shaz619]

I love Moeen Ali but people are being harsh on Bess, am sure read somewhere of posters resorting to criticising his FC debut or something ! he's a youngster with potential and England have made an investment in him, he's not going to set the world on fire from the word go but was exceptional with the bat on debut.

Also, people have been harsh in their judgement of Mo; the AUS tour was always going to be tough but not only were his preparations poor because he didn't get the chance to acclimatise to the conditions but he wasn't even 100% fit and played through an injury for the entire tour and with options thin he had to play. Can't argue against him being dropped and I think time away from the game can benefit him, am sure he can find his way back into the team though because it would be insane to disregard him for good given his exploits for his country. People have mentioned how he has been terrible away, but look England have just lost a Test at home; we shouldn't take performances at home for granted and in such conditions Mo has been brilliant, I believe he's among the leading Man of the Match award winners for England to. In rare instances you will find players who are special at home and away, and lets be honest many of his away tours have been his first at the international level, it's all about gaining experience, improving and being solid if not spectacular away.

But Bess shouldn't be overly criticised bloody hell it's like people throwing tomatoes at a fighter for not winning a world title in his first fight.

 

[BaankeJi]

The only one being emotional here is you. Plenty of fans from all over the world would have kept Moeen over Bess. You obviously have little idea in regards to what type of players are in the English county circuit.

Nothing wrong with changing but only if you bring in someone who is clearly a better player.

Moeen has been terrible for a while as [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] said. If he had contributed either with bat or ball, then it would have been a different story. If a player is not performing, it is better to try a different player.

 

[Syed1]

I hope Moeen comes back in the next series and rips through the opposition whoever they are

 

[shane]

The inclusion of Bess goes to show just how empty the cupboard is for England right now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Moeen has been terrible for a while as [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] said. If he had contributed either with bat or ball, then it would have been a different story. If a player is not performing, it is better to try a different player.

He was the best English cricketer of the summer only last year. Yes he has been terrible in the winter but there is nobody better to replace him with. I can understand Leach but when he was injured you would rather go with Mo and his experience over Bess who is nothing more than a pie chucker at this stage of his career.

 

[90MPH]

Moeen has been very inconsistent as of late so it was probably fair to drop him.

However the cupboard is definitely bare when it comes to quality spin bowlers in English cricket so they may have to bring him back against India.

 

[MMHS]

Moeen Ali has been terrible for a while and his performances and statistics reflect that

It was time for a change. The forum is dominated by British Pakistanis so obviously there is an emotional attachment to him and wanting him to do well but sometimes the proofs in the pudding

Moeen was MoS just about last year against SAF, and that's for combined bat & ball. I think, it was a knee jerk reaction after the hammering down under; otherwise Moeen actually is a better spinner than this kid (none special, but Moeen has lots of experience), and he is better bat than Malan & Stoneman, may be Stokes as well.

ENG should have dropped Woods for Woakes (he had 11 wickets at Lord's last time against PAK!!!) and Moeen should have played over Dom.

 

[introvert]

England are desperate to find quality spinner with moeen in playing eleven blocks that spinner development. For long-term future it is right to develop leach,bess, Amar vardi, and two leg spinners crane and parkinson ahead of MO.

in test cricket Moeen at best turned out to be a stopgap spinner and dissapointed big time in subcontinent tour. his batting was useful but nothing extraordinary to pick him ahead of other deserving batsmen.

 

[WC-Passion]

Ali was awful in the winter and England are desperate for a spinner + Bayliss and Smith don't care at all about the mess they've made. Seems obvious to me.

 

[Bilal7]

He was the best English cricketer of the summer only last year. Yes he has been terrible in the winter but there is nobody better to replace him with. I can understand Leach but when he was injured you would rather go with Mo and his experience over Bess who is nothing more than a pie chucker at this stage of his career.

Moeen is easily the best spin option England have, especially now that his mate Rashid is not interested in tests. He will be back but this break was a needed one.

Had he played against us, he would have ineffective and that would make a comeback even harder. As it stands, he'll probably be back against India.

 

[moghul]

Bess is a proper offie who is also a useful lower order batsman. Moin on the other hand was batsman who was a useful bowler and later improved his bowling to become a "more than useful " bowler, but never been a specialist bolwer.

 

[HuzaifaE]

Bess looks pure garbage to me, Moeen by the time he got dropped didn't look much different. Tough to discuss much when it comes down to replacing rubbish with rubbish, with further stocks of nothing but rubbish.

 

[Asch Ali]

Bess is a garbage player and garbage cricketer. I have been saying this for a while. Moeen is million times better than him. Players like stone man and malan should be axed not Ali

 

[kingusama92]

Probably should have kept Moeen.

He's averaging 30+ with the bat and 21 with the ball at home (since 2017).

 

[giri26]

Moeen has been terrible form with both bat and ball for England and was dropped. His poor ashes returns did not help him either.

 

[Robert]

Strange decision. No English spinner has done anything of note in Australia from what I can recall. Sure he didn't bat well either but coming in mostly when England were in tatters, wasn't easy.

This kid Bess seems to have a good competitive nature but isn't anything special to be given a Lords debut at 20 years old. No offence to him but Pakistan have dozens of much better spinners who wouldn't get anywhere near the first team.

This new selector has had a shocker in the first test of the summer.

I think Bess is a really good selection. He has obviously got something about him.

Moeen had a terrible winter so was dropped. He could come back, but it is time for him to concentrate on his batting and lock down the #5 spot.

 

[Asch Ali]

Seems like many posters don’t like Ali.
He’s much more reliable than Bess

 

[introvert]

Moeen was inconsistent and mediocre at best. I think England have taken stand here and will give more chances to proper spinners like leach,bess,amar virdi ,crane,Parkinson in future , instead of moeen who is classified as allrounder than lead spinner.

Moeen dissapointed big time in subcontinent tour that's why his stocks are fallen in test cricket compared to his rise in limited overs cricket.