How will England and New Zealand look in 2023?

[Hasan123]

Both teams did a great job in this World Cup. They played out a thrilling final.

But I have been thinking how will both teams look in 2023? England have a lot of players other Archer, that are near 30 or over 30. There is no way they can have a team full of 30 year olds for the next WC.

New Zealand have some players who are 30 and over . Also some players who may not succeed in the subcontinent in 2023.

How do you think both teams will look in 2023?

 

[nextover666666]

Not to great IMO but again only time will tell

Don't know how the new generation is of New Zealand cricketers but I don't think they will get this far in the next World Cup considering its in south Asian conditions

England might be able to make it to semi finals they have some good players coming up too but again conditions will favor spin something England struggle with but again only time will tell

 

[Chokli]

It'll be between Bangladesh, Pakistan and India

 

[DRsohail]

England will still be top team but they would not dominate the WC as it will be in india, NZ can do better even they will be below in rankings.

 

[Ab Fan]

NZ are shattered now.. Anyone would be..

Not the time to ask such questions to them.

 

[DRsohail]

It'll be between Bangladesh, Pakistan and India

two semifinalists would be from asia, India aure the other may be Bangladesh pak or Srilanka? Bangladesh will be force remember.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

England will look like England and New Zealand will look like New Zealand.

I don’t think countries will change much in four years, or their boundaries either.

 

[Hasan123]

England will look like England and New Zealand will look like New Zealand.

I don’t think countries will change much in four years, or their boundaries either.

I mean in terms of team shape and players.

 

[Kohli The King of Chase]

I mean in terms of team shape and players.

I meant in terms of sarcasm and fun.

 

[Robert]

Morgan will be retired, Plunkett too. Archer will be at his peak and Sam Curran a force.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

England will still be good. New Zealand, not too sure. Bangladesh will be a great team by then. India will have a terrible world cup and exit like how we always do. Thanks to Kohli.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Morgan will be retired, Plunkett too. Archer will be at his peak and Sam Curran a force.

curran is useless.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

two semifinalists would be from asia, India aure the other may be Bangladesh pak or Srilanka? Bangladesh will be force remember.

Why do you think so? This was BAN's best team ever and they still finished 8th. All their decent players like Mushfiqur, Shakib, Tamim, etc. will all be old and over the hill. I don't really see any amazing talent coming up.

 

[Bewal Express]

2 names to remember for 4 years time - Jack Haynes
And Tom Banton.

 

[DRsohail]

Why do you think so? This was BAN's best team ever and they still finished 8th. All their decent players like Mushfiqur, Shakib, Tamim, etc. will all be old and over the hill. I don't really see any amazing talent coming up.

Mushfiq and shakib will be there,spinnig wickets and Bangladesh play spin well and their spin resources are good.

 

[Rayyman]

2011- India, Sri Lanka, Pakistan and New Zealand
2015- Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and India
2019- England, New Zealand, India and Australia

Conditions matter a lot.

So I'ma say in 2023, these will be the semifinalists:
India, Pakistan, West Indies and England

 

[Aman]

We're going to have a new team, our golden generation has fallen short twice.

The second of which will haunt NZ cricket/sport for the next half a century at least.

 

[hb787]

We're going to have a new team, our golden generation has fallen short twice.

The second of which will haunt NZ cricket/sport for the next half a century at least.

Really sorry about this mate.

 

[Aman]

Really sorry about this mate.

The good thing is every sporting defeat from hereon will mean nothing.

This has made me numb to it all. This is the worst that can happen in sport, every other way of losing would be preferred.

You can't lose worse.

 

[Chokli]

The good thing is every sporting defeat from hereon will mean nothing.

This has made me numb to it all. This is the worst that can happen in sport, every other way of losing would be preferred.

You can't lose worse.

You guys played great Cricket mate, it's unfortunate but in the end you never officially lost.. England were given the Cup due to the tie breaker

 

[Chokli]

The good thing is every sporting defeat from hereon will mean nothing.

This has made me numb to it all. This is the worst that can happen in sport, every other way of losing would be preferred.

You can't lose worse.

You guys played great Cricket mate, it's unfortunate but in the end you never officially lost.. England were given the Cup due to the tie breaker

 

[Aman]

You guys played great Cricket mate, it's unfortunate but in the end you never officially lost.. England were given the Cup due to the tie breaker

I'm a Barca and Argentina fan.

This is like Anfield and Arg-Brazil x a trillion.

 

[Bahnz]

This was NZ's chance to lift the World Cup. They won't be as much of a force at the next two World Cups.

They'll still have a decent team in 2023 - KW, Boult, Ferguson, Henry, Nicholls, Latham, Neesham and Santner will still be in the picture. It's conceivable that even Taylor could be playing, as he has signalled that he might try and play another (though at 39 you'd have to assume that his best would be behind him). There are also younger guys with a lot of potential emerging like Will Young (who should've played at this World Cup had it not been for a shoulder injury and the stubborness of the selectors), Rachin Ravindra and the fantastically named Christian Leopard.

But the location of the next World Cup in India won't suit New Zealand's strengths and I think they'll struggle to win games against the sub-continental sides playing at home.

By 2027 NZ's golden generation will have truly passed on, and wherever that World Cup is played (presumably in South Africa or the West Indies)
I doubt NZ will have the resources to be seriously competitive. It's a very hard day to be an NZ fan.

 

[sindhiboy]

england have many upcoming spinners like matt parkinson, dom bess, mason crane and matt carter. matt parkinson especially will be england's future.

England will still have bairstow, roy, root butler who are good players of spin
I wont be surprised if eng manage to make it to the semi final or final agin next time, a dawn of a new england era has begun


NZ however, will not be as strong. i think this current set of players is one of the best combinations they have had. glen philips is the only upcoming talent in new zealand that i am aware of.
ross taylor may retire, which will be a big blow as he was the pnly other batsmen actuallly scoring runs for nz

I think nz top 5 in 2023 could be
1.latham, 2. nichols. 3. kw. 4. a new guy(like blundell ) . 5. glenn philips

 

[Executioner]

Guptill and Ross will retire others will be available although not sure about lockie Henry boult being at their absolute best

 

[introvert]

White ball talent is booming in England. England will be good in next worldcup as well.
Plunkett will retire & Morgan , rashid , moeen will not be in the plans till 2023.
curran brothers ,billings , Joe clarke , Livingston, hain , matt Parkinson ,crane , Delray rawlins , overton brothers , saqib mahmood plus many more capable players are coming through the ranks
Imo England cricket specially in white ball cricket is well set for next decade.


About NZ I would say they need to change now & must build for the future. Current team punched well above their weight But they need to embrace the youth now. Players like tom Blundell deserved more opportunities than munro & Nicholls. Latham should be permanently made opener.

 

[sweep_shot]

I have a feeling England will struggle in 2023 World Cup. They do not have proper spinners and their batsmen will probably struggle on turning pitches.

NZ will be fine probably. They play with high spirit and they do well regardless of condition.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If ENgland had missed this , the will have to wait atleast until next time world cup happens in ENgland. This was their only one chance unlike Australia who used to win anywhere and everywhere.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

For New Zealand, all of Martin Guptill, Ross Taylor, Colin De Grandhomme and Tim Southee would have been retired or no longer available due to performances/age.

Although it's too early to say, their future team could be:

1) Kane Williamson(C)
2) Henry Nicholls
3) Will Young
4) Tom Latham
5) Tom Blundell(Wk)
6) Jimmy Neesham
7) Mitchell Santner
8) Ish Sodhi
9) Will Somerville
10) Trent Boult
11) Lockie Ferguson

12) George Worker
13) Tim Seifert
14) Matt Henry
15) Adam Milne

 

[Deewana]

lol on most of the posters
whether you like it or not England will be a power house in whiteball cricket from now on.. winning the wc as they did and in the manner they did would really make them believe they could win from anywhere.. they have some unbelievable players and some very goof ones coming through.. sam tom curran, livingstone, dawson etc.
i expect them to win the wolrd t20 in aus too and will be atleast in semis next wc

 

[in_cutter]

Ages of current team inn 2023

J Roy (32)
J Bairstow (33)
J Root (32)
E Morgan (36)
B Stokes (32)
J Buttler (32)
C Woakes (34)
L Plunkett (38)
J Archer (28)
A Rashid (35)
M Wood (33)
M Ali (36)
J Vince (32)

 

[ManFan]

Going by evidence so far, England and New Zealand will struggle on Indian pitches that are conductive to being slow and spin-friendly.

Both teams are in their prime and the only way from here is downwards for both in my opinion.

The next WC will by won by an Asian side; so either India or Pakistan.

The two most important things will be a middle-overs pacer who can reverse-swing the ball and spinners who can take wickets at any stage.

I think it will be a much better tournament than the 2019 one that was barred by rain.

 

[Pakhs]

England will still be good. New Zealand, not too sure. Bangladesh will be a great team by then. India will have a terrible world cup and exit like how we always do. Thanks to Kohli.

it depends if Shakib, tamim and mushfiq are still around and how they are playing. If shakib is past his best by that point they wont be same force.

 

[Robert]

curran is useless.

Not against Pakistan and India in tests! Scored crucial runs and took crucial wickets. He could be a true all-rounder when he matures and puts a yard if pace in - batting like Stokes and bowling like Boult.

 

[Robert]

Ages of current team inn 2023

J Roy (32)
J Bairstow (33)
J Root (32)
E Morgan (36)
B Stokes (32)
J Buttler (32)
C Woakes (34)
L Plunkett (38)
J Archer (28)
A Rashid (35)
M Wood (33)
M Ali (36)
J Vince (32)

It will be more like

Roy
Buttler (capt.)
Root
Someone younger
Stokes
Foakes (w)
Curran S
Archer
Curran T
Someone younger
Someone younger

 

[BDfanforever]

If ENgland had missed this , the will have to wait atleast until next time world cup happens in ENgland. This was their only one chance unlike Australia who used to win anywhere and everywhere.

They almost won it England too even with little to no planning. They are the real “sher” of Cricket.

 

[BDfanforever]

I have a feeling England will struggle in 2023 World Cup. They do not have proper spinners and their batsmen will probably struggle on turning pitches.

NZ will be fine probably. They play with high spirit and they do well regardless of condition.

Are you kidding me? NZ got blown away by even 2010 era BD team in those conditions.

2023 will be RSA. Every teams that loses to BD comes back stronger next WC. We are like a catalyst for other teams lol.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

2 names to remember for 4 years time - Jack Haynes
And Tom Banton.

This Tom Banton kid is hella talented. Would be an injustice if he isn't in the England side in 4 years time.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

For New Zealand, all of Martin Guptill, Ross Taylor, Colin De Grandhomme and Tim Southee would have been retired or no longer available due to performances/age.

Although it's too early to say, their future team could be:

1) Kane Williamson(C)
2) Henry Nicholls
3) Will Young
4) Tom Latham
5) Tom Blundell(Wk)
6) Jimmy Neesham
7) Mitchell Santner
8) Ish Sodhi
9) Will Somerville
10) Trent Boult
11) Lockie Ferguson

12) George Worker
13) Tim Seifert
14) Matt Henry
15) Adam Milne

Will Somerville is 34 now. Besides he's not exactly someone NZ will be considering as one of their main spinners. Ajaz Patel i more likely to be there

 

[Bewal Express]

This Tom Banton kid is hella talented. Would be an injustice if he isn't in the England side in 4 years time.

A wonderful talent but also not the brightest or nicest person. I have a basic rule, if I don't like them, they will make it. Jack Haynes is a nice lad and also has great chance when he will be 22.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Finn Allen and Rachin Ravindra could be in the New Zealand side. Both impressed at the U-19 WC and seemed like players who would play for New Zealand at some point.

Tom Banton is going to be a definite for England.

Apart from that I suspect England's current side will be a whole lot older and New Zealand will be missing a number of familiar faces.

Grandhomme, Taylor, Munro, Guptill, Southee, Morgan, Plunkett, possibly even Woakes should all be gone by then

 

[Tapeballcricket]

I'm a Barca and Argentina fan.

This is like Anfield and Arg-Brazil x a trillion.

Oh man, you were on the wrong side in the Anfiled 4-0 too!

Wow, what a year you have had!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Are you kidding me? NZ got blown away by even 2010 era BD team in those conditions.

2023 will be RSA. Every teams that loses to BD comes back stronger next WC. We are like a catalyst for other teams lol.

South Africa does not have the kind of talent to win a World Cup. You can usually see that 4 years ahead. They have Rabada and de Kock obviously. Markram is going to start living up to all that hype and potential sometime in the next four years. But apart from that who else will they really have?

Faf and Amla will be gone. Miller and van der Dussen (provided he's in the side then) will be playing their last World Cups. At most they will have a youngster like Zubayr Hamza somewhere in there. If they have Shamsi as their main spinner though then they shouldn't give themselves much of a chance to win anything.

 

[Imran's Tiger]

Ages of current team inn 2023

J Roy (32)
J Bairstow (33)
J Root (32)
E Morgan (36)
B Stokes (32)
J Buttler (32)
C Woakes (34)
L Plunkett (38)
J Archer (28)
A Rashid (35)
M Wood (33)
M Ali (36)
J Vince (32)

Leme start the 92' comparisons early, Eng team would be 'Dad's Army' just like in 92'

 

[sweep_shot]

Are you kidding me? NZ got blown away by even 2010 era BD team in those conditions.

2023 will be RSA. Every teams that loses to BD comes back stronger next WC. We are like a catalyst for other teams lol.

NZ is ordinary in bilateral tournaments but they turn into beast when it comes to WC events. They reached 3 semi-finals and 2 finals in the last 6 World Cups.

Present NZ team is 5 times more dangerous than 2010 NZ team. This team has Boult, Ferguson, CDG, Neesham etc.

NZ went to semi-final in 2011 WC (which was hosted in India/BD/SL). They almost went to final and fought till last ball.

So, yes. I think NZ will be fine. They are a changed team since 2015 WC.

 

[sindhiboy]

matt parkinson is a brilliant spinner who should already be in all formats for england. even mason crane , dom bess and matt carter are worthy to be in international cricket

eng has all the spinners covered. tom curran is one of england's best pacers in limited overs, but did not get a single game. joshua tongue is another youngster but a fast bowler,

for batsmen, there is ollie pope(who will be a big player in my opinion, and be part of a big 4 like root,kohli williamson babar). sam hain(who has a list a average of 60)

this really is the start of an era of england's domination in cricket. yes, they won the final by luck, but that does not undermine their power. eng will now be favorites for every world cup

 

[tyron_woodley]

lol on most of the posters
whether you like it or not England will be a power house in whiteball cricket from now on.. winning the wc as they did and in the manner they did would really make them believe they could win from anywhere.. they have some unbelievable players and some very goof ones coming through.. sam tom curran, livingstone, dawson etc.
i expect them to win the wolrd t20 in aus too and will be atleast in semis next wc

they ain't winning **** outside England. they would have lost in this WC too lmao.

 

[Aman]

1. Seifert 24/Phillips 26
2. Nichols - 31
3. Williamson - 32
4. Young - 30
5. Latham - 31
6. Neesham - 32
7. Open slot
8. Santner - 31
9. Henry - 31
10. Fergsuon - 32
11. Boult - 33

Seems close.

 

[sweep_shot]

1. Seifert 24/Phillips 26
2. Nichols - 31
3. Williamson - 32
4. Young - 30
5. Latham - 31
6. Neesham - 32
7. Open slot
8. Santner - 31
9. Henry - 31
10. Fergsuon - 32
11. Boult - 33

Seems close.

They all should play at least one more World Cup surely?

 

[Aman]

They all should play at least one more World Cup surely?

Form permitting the batsmen should, not sure about the bowlers though.

 

[Robert]

they ain't winning **** outside England. they would have lost in this WC too lmao.

Ok, you know they are rated #1 due to winning all over the world?