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How will history remember Donald Trump, the 45th President of the United States?

How will history remember the 45th President of the United States, Donald Trump?


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UN. Hahaha. USA doesn't care what the UN thinks. Snr Bush was so desperate they arm twisted security council members into voting yes for action on Iraq.
 
History won't be kind to him. Especially after the Capitol riots. He will be portrayed in the same category of Nero, Tughlak etc
 
The year 2020 will reflect very nastily on his record I reckon. It was salvageable before then
 
Seems like Trump will not be impeached. Democrats need 17 republicans, they have less than 10.republicans. Plus senate say only a sitting President can be impeached, and even then it's a political trial, not a criminal trial.

The Teflon Don and his legacy lives on!

75M in the balance.

:)
 
Seems like Trump will not be impeached. Democrats need 17 republicans, they have less than 10.republicans. Plus senate say only a sitting President can be impeached, and even then it's a political trial, not a criminal trial.

The Teflon Don and his legacy lives on!

75M in the balance.

:)

I think the Reps fear Trump will start his own party or they will lose a lot of support.

Seems Trump might well be back for 2024.
 
I think the Reps fear Trump will start his own party or they will lose a lot of support.

Seems Trump might well be back for 2024.

Trump has dug quite a hole for himself with the Capital riots. As a neutral observer, I think it will be tough for him to make a comeback regardless of the impeachment.
 
Trump has dug quite a hole for himself with the Capital riots. As a neutral observer, I think it will be tough for him to make a comeback regardless of the impeachment.

Depends how the next 4 years go. I expect Bident to ruin the US economy even more by then.
 
US political landscape doesn’t leave any meaningful way for a third political party.
You can MAYBE become president but then what? If you don’t have support in the House and Senate you will be a hapless figurehead. You need your own people on the two floors. And that requires a lot of depth In the party in all 50 states.

Trump would never be able to accomplish it. If he tries it, it will be result in a splintered GOP which will easily a d conveniently hand the control of both Senate and House to the Dems. He knows it too and so do the establishment GOP, which is why as much as they differ, this is one area they agree on. They will always try to work together. Best you can hope for is another attempted takeover of the GOP by a trumper (Ivanka, Junior, whoever else in their orbit... might even be One term Twice Impeached Little Donnie again in 2024)
 
I think the Reps fear Trump will start his own party or they will lose a lot of support.

Seems Trump might well be back for 2024.

100%. The nightmare for the looney left has just begun! In parallel,
Republicans do not want to lost the majority of 75M votes. Either way Trump has sealed his legacy, and when sleep Joe/Harris fail, it will usher in the grand finale!

Hand out the aloa vera kleenex to the left, they've lost no matter how you look it!
 
Depends how the next 4 years go. I expect Bident to ruin the US economy even more by then.

I am no fan of Biden by any stretch of the imagination but I definitely think if anything Trump is more of a threat for the Republican Party at this point compared to the Democrats.
 
Donald Trump 'parts with lawyers' before impeachment trial

Former US President Donald Trump has parted ways with lawyers representing him in his impeachment trial in the Senate, US media report.

The departure of Butch Bowers and Deborah Barbier was reportedly a mutual decision.

Mr Trump's trial for incitement to insurrection starts on 8 February.

Senators will be asked whether to convict him on a charge he incited insurrection at the US Capitol on 6 January, when five people died.

Greg Harris and Johnny Gasser, two former federal prosecutors from South Carolina, have also left the team, the Associated Press reports. They were reportedly unwilling to defend Mr Trump on the basis of alleged election fraud.

Josh Howard, a North Carolina attorney who was recently added to the team, has also left, CNN reports.

It is now unclear who will represent Mr Trump during the trial.

"We have done much work, but have not made a final decision on our legal team, which will be made shortly," tweeted Trump advisor Jason Miller in response to the reports.

Mr Trump is the first president in history to be impeached twice. He was impeached by the House in 2019 over his dealings with Ukraine, but acquitted by the Senate.

Now he is accused of inciting a mob that stormed Congress after he repeated false claims of election fraud.

But it is likely he will be acquitted again.

A total of 45 out of 50 Senate Republicans voted this week to consider stopping the trial before it even started on the grounds that presidents cannot face impeachment trials once they have left office.

It would take 17 Republican senators breaking ranks and voting alongside the 50 Democrats to convict the president, potentially preventing him from ever running for federal office again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55876035
 
Seems like he's certainly leaving a permanent effect on US politics.

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As the US Republican Party splinters over allegiance to former President Donald Trump, dissatisfied Republicans and a faction of former “Never Trumpers” are discussing starting a new party.

“This is very much on everybody’s mind,” said Bill Weld, the former governor of Massachusetts who attempted to run against Trump in the Republican primaries in 2020.

“I would hope there would be some coalescing around the idea of a new party. I think it will happen,” Weld told Al Jazeera.

The divide among Republicans over Trump, evident during the 2020 campaign, has accelerated since the January 6 Capitol riot by Trump supporters. Now, the former president has attacked leading Republicans who have criticised him during the House impeachment and Senate trial that followed.

Trump called Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, who had blamed Trump for the January 6 attack, “a dour, sullen and unsmiling political hack” and threatened to mount primary challenges to candidates who do not back Trump’s “Make American Great Again” agenda.

On February 5, a group of well-known Republicans participated in a meeting convened by former third-party presidential ticket Evan McMullin and Mindy Finn, who are now directors of a group called “Stand Up Republic”. The major topic: Should disaffected Republicans break away or work to repair the party from within.

Those conversations have intensified since the Senate vote on February 13 not to convict Trump in its impeachment trial on a charge of incitement of insurrection. “Our sense of urgency about the need for something new in some capacity has only strengthened,” McMullin told The Washington Post on Monday.

Weld, who was a participant in the February 5 confab said he and many others landed “firmly in the side of new party”.

“It’s draining to stay within the confines of the existing party, which is really ‘truth deniers’, a lot of them. Whereas founding a new party would be exhilarating,” Weld said.

The internal Republican dialogue came at a time when it appears there is a greater appetite for a third party among the American public broadly, and in particular, a major shift of favour among Republicans.

A majority of 63 percent of Republicans – and 62 percent of Americans overall – say a third party is needed, according to a Gallup survey published on February 15. That is the highest level of support for a third party among Republicans ever measured by Gallup. Previously, it was 40 percent.

The poll was conducted among 906 adults from January 31 to February 2 and had a margin of confidence of plus-or-minus 4 percentage points.

Third party creation is difficult

Getting a new party established is doable, but would take a lot of work and organisers would have to start now, not wait until the congressional elections in 2022, experts said.

“There are far too few parties in the US. Two parties is a disgrace,” said Russ Verney, a political adviser who served as chairman of the independent candidate Ross Perot’s Reform Party from 1995 to 1999.

“Can a third party be built and be successful? Yes it can be built, but the process of creating one is extraordinarily difficult,” Verney said.

Richard Winger, editor of the Ballot Access News and a political activist for minor parties, said getting on the ballot for president in all 50 states is the easy part. Petition signature requirements for US Senate and House candidates are more daunting.

And the threshold to get on the presidential debate stage with major-party candidates – 15 percent of support in popular polls – is almost impossible, Winger said.

“If the Republican Party is going to split, the people that split out will not be Trump people,” Winger said.

“It seems like Trump people can take a hold in the Republican Party, so it will have to be the people like Evan McMullin,” Winger said.

Failure to take hold

Third parties have failed to take hold in modern US political history.

Candidates from the Libertarian Party, which was formed in the early 1970s, were on the US presidential ballot in 2020 and 2016 but managed to win only a fraction of the vote.

In fact, Weld was the Libertarian Party’s vice presidential nominee in 2016 when he and presidential nominee Gary Johnson received the highest vote share for a Libertarian ticket ever: 3.27 percent of the vote.

In 1992, US businessman Perot qualified for the US presidential ballot in all 50 states, and was invited to the debate stage with candidates Bill Clinton and George HW Bush. Perot succeeded in winning nearly 19 percent of the vote in the election which Clinton carried.

However, his second attempt at the presidency in 1996 was not nearly as successful, as Perot pulled in just more than 8 percent of the vote.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/2/19/anti-trump-republicans-weigh-forming-new-party
 
Studying politics in USA and govt. structure, his legacy is the Supreme Court.

And successfully completing the greatest con job of all time. All time.
 
A B- president

understood what people wanted and had good ideas too
I think US's first populist leader after a long time of establishment

But too MUCH of "Muchness" he didn't know when to calm down and get the job done leading to his downfall
If we get Trump but smarter in terms of getting the job done than hell go down in history
for better or worse I think better...

Didn't keep a lot of his promises even though he had everything court, Congress
 
Studying politics in USA and govt. structure, his legacy is the Supreme Court.

And successfully completing the greatest con job of all time. All time.
Well said. Bigger con man than Nixon. He gamed over 70 million people
 
Well said. Bigger con man than Nixon. He gamed over 70 million people

Nixon was actually intellectually brilliant and his administration accomplished A LOT in their short span.

Problem was, Tricky Dick was always insecure, secretive, and corrupt.

His greatest fault? He got caught.
 
Nixon was actually intellectually brilliant and his administration accomplished A LOT in their short span.

Problem was, Tricky Dick was always insecure, secretive, and corrupt.

His greatest fault? He got caught.

Nixon also had a bit more conscience than the fat Cheeto, who is basically a mafia don, intellectually zero, no sense of ethics but knew how to lie and get away with it. Just a sleaze ball business man.
 
A B- president

understood what people wanted and had good ideas too
I think US's first populist leader after a long time of establishment

But too MUCH of "Muchness" he didn't know when to calm down and get the job done leading to his downfall
If we get Trump but smarter in terms of getting the job done than hell go down in history
for better or worse I think better...

Didn't keep a lot of his promises even though he had everything court, Congress

All Yank leaders have been pathetic and tools. Ronald a tv actor started the trend of personalities over leadership. Bush, Omaba and now Biden lol. I wouldnt allow these fools to run my corner shop if I had one. US politics esp geo-politics is not in the hands of whichever puppet they place to fool the easily fooled masses in USA.
 
See I understand where you are coming from but the end result is, there were no wars. This is the only CREDIT I give trump. Apart from that, he was not good for US and the world.

100% agreed, that he gave rise to right wing extremists, not just in US, but around the world.

Let’s hope Biden is not a copy of Obama in regards to foreign policy. Yes, this time I am quite happy that we have Imran Khan who can actually respond back. We don’t have a puppet like zArdari or nawaz who will bend over for a US president. Infact, I remember when Shahid Khaqan Abbasi for the PM in Jan-2018, Trump did a series of anti-Pakistan tweets. Guess who replied to him, Imran Khan. Eventhough he wasn’t a PM but he rightfully and diplomatically responded and that was one of the first thing that showed Pakistanis that he is going to fight for them internationally.

Bump!
Seems like Syria suffered first blood thanks to the “champion of democracy” Joe Biden!
 
Donald Trump's wealth takes tumble during presidency

Donald Trump's net worth dropped by about $700m to $2.3bn (£1.65bn) during his time as president, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index.

The Covid-19 pandemic hit his fortunes hard, with Mr Trump's office buildings, branded hotels and resorts losing revenue and falling in value.

His fleet of planes and golf courses have also seen drops in their value.

Mr Trump is currently under a criminal investigation into his financial affairs and his family business.

Bloomberg analysed financial documents and other filings from May 2016 and January 2021 to calculate Mr Trump's wealth before and after he became US president.

Mr Trump's commercial real estate accounts for about three-quarters of his net worth. The office towers he owns or co-owns have seen big drops in valuations as more people work from home, a trend that could last in the long term.

Bloomberg, which provides financial news and data, estimates a 26% drop in the value of his main commercial property holdings.

He also owns, manages or licenses his name to about a dozen hotels and resorts, plus 19 golf courses.

Although golf has become popular during the pandemic as a socially distanced outdoor sport, Mr Trump's two courses in Scotland have consistently lost money, filings show.

After the Capitol Hill siege in January, the Professional Golfers' Association (PGA) of America ended an agreement to host its 2022 championship tournament at Mr Trump's New Jersey golf course, saying it would hurt the group's brand.

Deutsche Bank, the only bank willing to lend to him after his bankruptcies in the 1990s, also said after the riots that it would not do business with him again.

Mr Trump also owns a fleet of planes that includes a Boeing 757. These planes are decades old and have been marked down in value over the years, according to financial disclosures seen by Bloomberg.

Seven planes were valued at around $59m in 2015 and five were valued at about $6.5m in 2020. The value of Mr Trump's aircraft has dropped over the years, in part because he has sold some of his fleet.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-56438914
 
Facebook bans 'voice of Trump' from platform

Facebook has removed a video of former US President Donald Trump from the page of his daughter-in-law Lara Trump.

The social media giant banned Mr Trump from its platform in January following riots by his supporters on the Capitol building in Washington.

Lara Trump, a new Fox News contributor, posted a video of herself interviewing Mr Trump on a range of issues.

She later posted a screenshot of an email she received from Facebook warning her of the ban.

"In line with the block we placed on Donald Trump's Facebook and Instagram accounts, further content posted in the voice of Donald Trump will be removed and result in additional limitations on the account," an email from "Katelyn" read.

Lara Trump, who is married to Mr Trump's son Eric, instead posted the interview for her own online show The Right View on the video platform Rumble and linked to it from her Facebook page.

"And just like that, we are one step closer to Orwell's 1984. Wow," she commented on her Instagram account.

Long-time Trump supporter and Fox News TV host Sean Hannity described the move as "extreme censorship" in a tweet.

Facebook's suspension of Mr Trump's account on 7 January - a day after the Capitol riots - is being reviewed by its new Oversight Board, which was set up to rule on controversial moderation decisions.

Defending the ban at the time, Facebook chief Mark Zuckerburg said: "We believe the risks of allowing the president to continue to use our service during this period are simply too great."

Donald Trump was also banned from Twitter and YouTube.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56598862
 
With an incompetent senile Joe Biden as Potus, people will remeber Trump in a better light. Trump did lot of good things for USA & people will start to realize he was twice the Potus Biden can ever dream of.
 
Think Trump realizes this better than anyone else, that history doesn't look kindly upon losers.

He lost due to his incompetence and trust in woeful advisers.

Even all the good things that he tried to do during the four years will be forgotten.

He lost due to absentees & fake voters.
 
He lost due to absentees & fake voters.

No, he lost due to his own incompetence in terms of dealing with the pandemic and being soft on air travel when things were blowing up in Europe and China. He acted too late and then spent a couple of months pretending that it wasn't a serious problem.

Furthermore, he had at least three years to pre-empt absentee ballots and fake voting but did nothing apart from moan about it on twitter. There was no organized campaign at the grassroots level to mitigate those risks through the judicial system. There was never going to be any benefit in crying over spilled milk.
 
For US posters, who was better for the Stock Market Trump or Biden ? if the tech bubble bursts then I gather we are all in health :afridi
 
He lost due to handling of the pandemic. It was a disaster. Plus he has a toxic personality and he is an incompetent thug.
 
Former US president Donald Trump has filed a lawsuit against tech giants Google, Twitter and Facebook, claiming that he is the victim of censorship.

The class action lawsuit also targets the three companies' CEOs.

Mr Trump was suspended from his social accounts in January over public safety concerns in the wake of the Capitol riots, led by his supporters.

On Wednesday, Mr Trump called the lawsuit "a very beautiful development for our freedom of speech".

In a news conference from his golf resort in Bedminster, New Jersey, Mr Trump railed against social media companies and Democrats, who he accused of espousing misinformation.

"We are demanding an end to the shadow-banning, a stop to the silencing, and a stop to the blacklisting, banishing, and cancelling that you know so well," he said.

The suit requests a court order to end alleged censorship. Mr Trump added if they could ban a president, "they can do it to anyone".

None of the tech companies named have yet responded to the lawsuit, which was filed to a federal court in Florida.

Mr Trump was joined at the announcement by former Trump officials who have since created the not-for-profit America First Policy Institute.

The former president called the post that got him banned from Twitter, "the most loving sentence".

According to Twitter, the tweets that resulted in Mr Trump's ban for "glorification of violence" were from 8 January, two days after the rioting in the nation's capital. The riot followed his repeated claims, without evidence, that the election was rigged in Joe Biden's favour.

He wrote that the "great patriots" who voted for him will have "a giant voice" and "will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form", and in another post said he would not attend President Joe Biden's inauguration.

At the same time on Wednesday, Mr Trump's Republican allies in Congress released a memo describing their plan "to take on Big Tech".

The agenda calls for antitrust measures to "break up" the companies, and a revamping of a law known as Section 230.

Section 230, which Mr Trump tried to repeal as president, essentially stops companies like Facebook and Twitter from being liable for the things that users post. It gives the companies "platform" rather than "publisher" status.

"It's a liability protection the likes of which nobody in the history of our country has ever received," Mr Trump said, criticising the law on Wednesday.

He added that the law invalidates the companies' statuses as private companies.

The lawsuit has been criticised by legal experts, who pointed to Mr Trump's habit of issuing lawsuits for media attention but not aggressively defending the claims in court. His argument of free speech infringement has also been questioned by analysts, as the companies he accuses have those same First Amendment protections in determining content on their sites.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-57754435
 
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