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Will we at least go 20 days before the start of First Test and have some practice matches or...?
 
England preparations will be better.

India will play T20I and ODI first. Hopefully that is enough time to get used to English conditions.
 
India will be fine for test series in england for 2 reasons

1) The play T20s and ODIs first so they will have plenty of time to get use to the conditions

2) The are touring in 2nd half of the summer so the conditions at some venues should be quite suitable to them so they should be very competitive in the england test series.
 
as per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] late summer English conditions are easy anyway so not much needed in terms of preparation for conditions.

English side are gonna be in a transition due to Ashes hammering so lets see how that goes.
 
IPL and a tri-series featuring Lanka and Bangladesh.

We're sorted no problem.
 
Need to arrive early enough and play 2/3 competitive games. Need to ensure the squad selected have enough game time before the first test.
 
Doesn't really matter, India will lose again. If Jimmy is fit, he'll take 30 wickets. 15 of them will probably be Kohli.
 
Slog said:
as per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] late summer English conditions are easy anyway so not much needed in terms of preparation for conditions.

English side are gonna be in a transition due to Ashes hammering so lets see how that goes.
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It'll be funny if India get smashed in England again, given how they're touring during the same time of the year we did. Then all the downplaying of our achievements will look pretty silly.

"Best Asian team of this decade" playing in "Easy English conditions". Let's see if they can win two tests.
 
I know I shouldn’t be keeping any hopes but India has the best chance of winning in England this time around they will ever get.. Let’s see how it goes..
 
big_gamer007 said:
I know I shouldn’t be keeping any hopes but India has the best chance of winning in England this time around they will ever get.. Let’s see how it goes..
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this series they also had the best chance to win in SA
 
2 weeks between 3rd ODI and 1st Test, hopefully a couple of warm-ups will be filled in closer to the date.

Test specialists should be there earlier, and play for a county or something. There's no excuse now to arrogantly show up in whites in England without much red ball practice.
 
As far as the tour matches are concerned, counties usually put out a Kids XI.

If ECB want to get serious about competitive tour matches given the complaints during the Ashes, they should provide some themselves when teams visit England.

Slog said:
as per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] late summer English conditions are easy anyway so not much needed in terms of preparation for conditions.

English side are gonna be in a transition due to Ashes hammering so lets see how that goes.
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Depends on the weather. The weather was generally dry and pleasant in the 2016 summer.

Against South Africa last summer it was generally overcast and made for a low scoring series.
 
The SA series is preparation. India need to stick with their current lineup. The top five are the best technicians they have. It will pay off.
 
Slog said:
as per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] late summer English conditions are easy anyway so not much needed in terms of preparation for conditions.

English side are gonna be in a transition due to Ashes hammering so lets see how that goes.
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Bilal7 said:
It'll be funny if India get smashed in England again, given how they're touring during the same time of the year we did. Then all the downplaying of our achievements will look pretty silly.

"Best Asian team of this decade" playing in "Easy English conditions". Let's see if they can win two tests.
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July/August tends to be relatively drier (it was particularly dry in 2016) so yes India will get to play in better conditions than us. We are touring in May and a whitewash is on the cards.

However, England had injury problems in that series and their top-order was a mess. Stokes only played 1 Test, and Anderson was nursing a shoulder injury before the first Test and it hampered him leading up to the Indian tour as well. Clearly, he was below his best.

Furthermore, they had the likes of Hales and Ballance in the top-order. They still haven't sorted it out though, but the likes of Malan have brought some stability. Stoneman also looks to be better equipped for Test cricket than Hales.

Barring any injuries and other unforeseen circumstances, the team that India will face this summer will be better than the one we faced two years ago.

No touring team in England has had it as easy as Pakistan in 2016. One of the driest English summers in a long time, and the ball did not swing as much as it normally does there. We did not get to play a single Test in classic English conditions and faced an unstable team struggling with injuries. However, we were still not good enough to win the series, mostly thanks to Younis chickening out of the first three Tests.

Some would argue that India faced an in-crisis England in 2014, beaten and bruised by Australia and Sri Lanka, but they played on a green-top at Lord's and still won, thanks to a terrific innings by Rahane. None of our batsmen can play an innings of that pedigree on a green pitch including Younis, who was a sitting duck in similar conditions in NZ in 2016-2017.
 
Mamoon said:
July/August tends to be relatively drier (it was particularly dry in 2016) so yes India will get to play in better conditions than us. We are touring in May and a whitewash is on the cards.

However, England had injury problems in that series and their top-order was a mess. Stokes only played 1 Test, and Anderson was nursing a shoulder injury before the first Test and it hampered him leading up to the Indian tour as well. Clearly, he was below his best.

Furthermore, they had the likes of Hales and Ballance in the top-order. They still haven't sorted it out though, but the likes of Malan have brought some stability. Stoneman also looks to be better equipped for Test cricket than Hales.

Barring any injuries and other unforeseen circumstances, the team that India will face this summer will be better than the one we faced two years ago.

No touring team in England has had it as easy as Pakistan in 2016. One of the driest English summers in a long time, and the ball did not swing as much as it normally does there. We did not get to play a single Test in classic English conditions and faced an unstable team struggling with injuries. However, we were still not good enough to win the series, mostly thanks to Younis chickening out of the first three Tests.

Some would argue that India faced an in-crisis England in 2014, beaten and bruised by Australia and Sri Lanka, but they played on a green-top at Lord's and still won, thanks to a terrific innings by Rahane. None of our batsmen can play an innings of that pedigree on a green pitch including Younis, who was a sitting duck in similar conditions in NZ in 2016-2017.
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good coping mechanism :))
 
Mamoon said:
July/August tends to be relatively drier (it was particularly dry in 2016) so yes India will get to play in better conditions than us. We are touring in May and a whitewash is on the cards.

However, England had injury problems in that series and their top-order was a mess. Stokes only played 1 Test, and Anderson was nursing a shoulder injury before the first Test and it hampered him leading up to the Indian tour as well. Clearly, he was below his best.

Furthermore, they had the likes of Hales and Ballance in the top-order. They still haven't sorted it out though, but the likes of Malan have brought some stability. Stoneman also looks to be better equipped for Test cricket than Hales.

Barring any injuries and other unforeseen circumstances, the team that India will face this summer will be better than the one we faced two years ago.

No touring team in England has had it as easy as Pakistan in 2016. One of the driest English summers in a long time, and the ball did not swing as much as it normally does there. We did not get to play a single Test in classic English conditions and faced an unstable team struggling with injuries. However, we were still not good enough to win the series, mostly thanks to Younis chickening out of the first three Tests.

Some would argue that India faced an in-crisis England in 2014, beaten and bruised by Australia and Sri Lanka, but they played on a green-top at Lord's and still won, thanks to a terrific innings by Rahane. None of our batsmen can play an innings of that pedigree on a green pitch including Younis, who was a sitting duck in similar conditions in NZ in 2016-2017.
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I do not understand why People and so called experts start bringing (Excuses after Excuses) if Pakistan performs better away from home.
Get your facts correct Sir, India till this day keeps talking about their Drawn Test Series in Australia in 2003. Fact of the matter is McGrath and Warne missed the series.

Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar missed the 1992 world cup, if they were playing , we would have won the world cup rather comfortably instead of struggles.

World Cup wins of West Indies 1975/1979/ India 1983/Australia 1987 are somewhat not complete because one of the best Cricket Nations South Africa did not participate.

I mean one can open up History books and write countless excuses.
In History books it is written Pakistan Drew Test Series in England 2-2.

End of story.
 
Sarwar89 said:
I do not understand why People and so called experts start bringing (Excuses after Excuses) if Pakistan performs better away from home.
Get your facts correct Sir, India till this day keeps talking about their Drawn Test Series in Australia in 2003. Fact of the matter is McGrath and Warne missed the series.

Waqar Younis and Saeed Anwar missed the 1992 world cup, if they were playing , we would have won the world cup rather comfortably instead of struggles.

World Cup wins of West Indies 1975/1979/ India 1983/Australia 1987 are somewhat not complete because one of the best Cricket Nations South Africa did not participate.

I mean one can open up History books and write countless excuses.
In History books it is written Pakistan Drew Test Series in England 2-2.

End of story.
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I am not making any excuses. We played well and England played below par.

However, the conditions suited us and we had a full strength team, but we failed to take full advantage and bolted under pressure in Edgbaston.
 
I'm waiting to see what will become of this Pakistani test batting lineup against the English bowling attack later this year.
 
I think India has a good chance in England. Their bowlers will be effective and their batting no more wobbly than that of the hosts.
 
Really looking forward to seeing this Indian bowling attack in England. Wickets won't be as extreme as the ones seen in this series but I expect them to take 20 wickets regardless.

Batting would suck as usual though. Everything will depend on Kohli and Rahane (if still around).

Expect India to win at least two games.
 
If Kohli makes right selection policies, yes India will have really great chance to win in England IMO.
 
Chrish said:
What would that be for England?
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Rohit and Dhawan(unless Rahul/Vijay gets injured) should be kept away from the first XI.Rest all is fine IMO. Saha should be back till then. Everything else will depend on pitch and conditions.
 
We can draw a test in Aus because of the type of pitches there but in England there is no chance. England will be hungry after their Ashes loss. I don't have any faith in our openers and Pujara to succeed there.
 
England don't have the bowlers of the quality of Rabada,Ngidi,Pjhilander or even Morkel considering that Babs is out of form. Only Anderson might be some kind of a threat but he is turning 36 and on his last legs. But we need to play first class games and acclimatise. Shastri and Kohli taking it lightly won't help.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
England don't have the bowlers of the quality of Rabada,Ngidi,Pjhilander or even Morkel considering that Babs is out of form. Only Anderson might be some kind of a threat but he is turning 36 and on his last legs. But we need to play first class games and acclimatise. Shastri and Kohli taking it lightly won't help.
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Their batting is a bigger mess imo

in home conditions they will always find bowlers to be competitive, if not world class.

But their test batting lineup is a total disaster at this point
 
Ab Fan said:
If Kohli makes right selection policies, yes India will have really great chance to win in England IMO.
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why do indian fans assume kohli is the one with all these powers
 
Slog said:
Their batting is a bigger mess imo

in home conditions they will always find bowlers to be competitive, if not world class.

But their test batting lineup is a total disaster at this point
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When England play at home even Mark Ealham looks like Ian Botham.
 
Slog said:
Their batting is a bigger mess imo

in home conditions they will always find bowlers to be competitive, if not world class.

But their test batting lineup is a total disaster at this point
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That would depend on the conditions and pitch i think. In helpful conditions, their bowlers will definitely come to the party. But if it's one of the hotter summers and the pitches are flat, they will get hammered especially with Broad's indifferent form off late. I think quite the opposite. They usually find batters who can put up decent scores in their own backyard. Root looks a million dollars when he's batting at home and even Moeen Ali/Stokes etc. start piling on the runs. I think we will have to outbat them and for that hopefully the pitches won't help their seamers.
 
Mamoon said:
July/August tends to be relatively drier (it was particularly dry in 2016) so yes India will get to play in better conditions than us. We are touring in May and a whitewash is on the cards.

However, England had injury problems in that series and their top-order was a mess. Stokes only played 1 Test, and Anderson was nursing a shoulder injury before the first Test and it hampered him leading up to the Indian tour as well. Clearly, he was below his best.

Furthermore, they had the likes of Hales and Ballance in the top-order. They still haven't sorted it out though, but the likes of Malan have brought some stability. Stoneman also looks to be better equipped for Test cricket than Hales.

Barring any injuries and other unforeseen circumstances, the team that India will face this summer will be better than the one we faced two years ago.

No touring team in England has had it as easy as Pakistan in 2016. One of the driest English summers in a long time, and the ball did not swing as much as it normally does there. We did not get to play a single Test in classic English conditions and faced an unstable team struggling with injuries. However, we were still not good enough to win the series, mostly thanks to Younis chickening out of the first three Tests.

Some would argue that India faced an in-crisis England in 2014, beaten and bruised by Australia and Sri Lanka, but they played on a green-top at Lord's and still won, thanks to a terrific innings by Rahane. None of our batsmen can play an innings of that pedigree on a green pitch including Younis, who was a sitting duck in similar conditions in NZ in 2016-2017.
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Younis fell a victim to age, in his prime he played a lot of good innings in swinging conditions.
 
Slog said:
why do indian fans assume kohli is the one with all these powers
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I dont think India would have gone with Sharma and Dhawan even if Kohli didnt wanted that. Final call would always be of captain since he is not just the captain but also one of the most senior player of the team.

There is no one who can come and object for anything to him even if Ishant or Vijay or Pujara are older to him.
 
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Indias bowlers will enjoy english conditions and in the 2nd half of the summer the Indian batting should be able to bat well in conditions as well. I can see a drawn series 2-2.
 
Mamoon said:
However, England had injury problems in that series and their top-order was a mess.
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Their current top order is Cook, Stoneman and Vince. You seriously think that's better than the top order of Cook, Hales and Root in the 2016 series ?
Stokes only played 1 Test
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Stokes played in the India tour and England received a 4-0 thrashing. He played 0 Tests in the Ashes and England received a 4-0 thrashing.

Anderson was nursing a shoulder injury before the first Test and it hampered him leading up to the Indian tour as well. Clearly, he was below his best.
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Anderson was so below his best he averaged 25 with the ball in the series which was bettered only by Chris Woakes.

Furthermore, they had the likes of Hales and Ballance in the top-order. They still haven't sorted it out though, but the likes of Malan have brought some stability. Stoneman also looks to be better equipped for Test cricket than Hales.
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Stoneman looks bang average against decent offspin and against the short ball. Malan has benefited from very flat Australian pitches - see his record in England last summer against South Africa and West Indies.

Barring any injuries and other unforeseen circumstances, the team that India will face this summer will be better than the one we faced two years ago.
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Yes England have made a dramatic transformation in the course of two years :)) They went from losing 4-0 in their main winter tour of 2016 to losing 4-0 in their main winter tour of 2017.

No touring team in England has had it as easy as Pakistan in 2016. One of the driest English summers in a long time, and the ball did not swing as much as it normally does there. We did not get to play a single Test in classic English conditions and faced an unstable team struggling with injuries. However, we were still not good enough to win the series, mostly thanks to Younis chickening out of the first three Tests.
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2013 was a bone dry summer and England beat Australia 3-0.

The Dukes ball consistently swings. It swung in the 1st innings at Edgbaston where we scored 400. At The Oval where we won, we played on the most pacy and bouncy pitch of the series according to Sky (maybe they're on PCB payroll).

Some would argue that India faced an in-crisis England in 2014, beaten and bruised by Australia and Sri Lanka, but they played on a green-top at Lord's and still won, thanks to a terrific innings by Rahane. None of our batsmen can play an innings of that pedigree on a green pitch including Younis, who was a sitting duck in similar conditions in NZ in 2016-2017.
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Drawing 2-2 > Losing 3-1. But continue with the self-hatred.
 
Markhor said:
Their current top order is Cook, Stoneman and Vince. You seriously think that's better than the top order of Cook, Hales and Root in the 2016 series ?
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Stoneman has better temperament than Hales. He is no world beater and never will be, but he is comparatively better. The addition of Malan has also beefed up the batting because he is better than Balance, who has almost always failed against good attacks even on flat pitches. Again, Malan is no world beater but he is still an upgrade on Ballance.
Stokes played in the India tour and England received a 4-0 thrashing. He played 0 Tests in the Ashes and England received a 4-0 thrashing.
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So? Is playing India in India the same as playing Pakistan in England?

Stokes is a terrific player and every team would love to play England in England without him playing. Pakistan certainly benefited from his absence because over the course of the four Tests, he would certainly have had an influence. It is ridiculous to suggest that his injury did not have an impact on the outcome of the series.
Anderson was so below his best he averaged 25 with the ball in the series which was bettered only by Chris Woakes.
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Which means nothing. It simply shows his class. However, there is no denying that he was not at his best.

Yes England have made a dramatic transformation in the course of two years :)) They went from losing 4-0 in their main winter tour of 2016 to losing 4-0 in their main winter tour of 2017.
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The team that we faced did not have Stokes and Anderson was injured. In addition, they had Hales and Ballance. An English team without Stokes and a fully fit Anderson is certainly inferior to an English team with both Stokes and Anderson. So yes, barring any unforeseen circumstances, the England team that India will be facing is going to be stronger than the one we faced two years back.

Dramatic transformation? Who said anything about transformation? Their top-order is still a mess, although as I stated earlier, Stoneman and Malan are slight upgrades on Hales and Ballance.

2013 was a bone dry summer and England beat Australia 3-0.
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Yes, England played very well that summer. Ian Bell in particular had the series of his life. Against Pakistan in 2016, they weren't that good.
The Dukes ball consistently swings. It swung in the 1st innings at Edgbaston where we scored 400. At The Oval where we won, we played on the most pacy and bouncy pitch of the series according to Sky (maybe they're on PCB payroll).
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It does swing, but the dry conditions helped us considerably. Do you honestly think we would have drawn the series had we played in tougher conditions? Similar to the 2010 summer, or the NZ tour few months later or even the conditions SL faced in May 2016?

The conditions benefited us and we took advantage. That does not mean that we did not play well.

We had a full strength team and we also played well; England did not have a full strength team and they also did not play well.
Drawing 2-2 > Losing 3-1. But continue with the self-hatred.
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Again, when did I say that India had a better series than us overall? However, their Lord's win was more impressive than our wins at Lord's and Oval because England would have beaten us a on a proper green track. The NZ series that took place a few months later is a good indication of what would have happened in England had we played in similar conditions.

We played well but plenty of things went our way (conditions, injuries etc.).
 
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Forgot to add.

Yes the pitch had bounce, but we struggle against lateral movement more than we struggle against bounce. Besides, it was no Perth. The fact that Younis scored a double-hundred sums up how difficult the pitch was.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
Younis fell a victim to age, in his prime he played a lot of good innings in swinging conditions.
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Apart from Auckland 2001, Younis has never played a big knock against quality swing and seam. He has held his own against bounce from time to time - Melbourne 2004, Old Trafford 2006, Oval 2016, Sydney 2017 etc., but lateral movement has always been his bane - he has been a fisherman throughout his career.
 
How will India prepare? The same way they prepared for South Africa tour. Taking their wives and kids to Madam Tussauds, Tower bridge, London Eye, London Zoo, Oxford Street, Regent Street, Selfridges, Hyde Park, SOUTHALL - and this before training.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
England don't have the bowlers of the quality of Rabada,Ngidi,Pjhilander or even Morkel considering that Babs is out of form. Only Anderson might be some kind of a threat but he is turning 36 and on his last legs. But we need to play first class games and acclimatise. Shastri and Kohli taking it lightly won't help.
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No excuses on that front either because you're playing a full ODI and T20 series beforehand.

But according to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], if India lose it'll be because... *Zzzzzzzz.....blah, blah* and not because Kohli's India is simply not as good as Misbah's Pakistan were overseas (or even at home).
 
Mamoon said:
Apart from Auckland 2001, Younis has never played a big knock against quality swing and seam. He has held his own against bounce from time to time - Melbourne 2004, Old Trafford 2006, Oval 2016, Sydney 2017 etc., but lateral movement has always been his bane - he has been a fisherman throughout his career.
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You simply don't average 50+ in England without being respectable against swing bowling. Just ask Kohli.

Khan was definitely better against the spinners (one of the best ever) than he was against pace but he certainly did not have any weaknesses against the moving ball.
 
This same [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] had earlier bowed before Kohli because he took advantage of an Asian style wicket and helped himself to a hundred. But but but, that was a vicious pitch and Kohli played a fantastic innings. Lol, gimme a break.
 
Bilal7 said:
You simply don't average 50+ in England without being respectable against swing bowling. Just ask Kohli.

Khan was definitely better against the spinners (one of the best ever) than he was against pace but he certainly did not have any weaknesses against the moving ball.
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Anomalies happen. Kohli’s England tour was a one-off just like Younis’ tour of New Zealand two years back. He was not great against lateral movement, but not bad enough to average 4.

He will score runs in England this time. He has nothing to prove and the fact that he has been the best batsman in this ongoing series is a testament to his class. He will not face tougher conditions than these. A much better batsman than Younis and someone who is worthy enough to finish his career as one of the top 5 batsman to play the game across formats.

He is second only to Viv in ODIs, the best T20 batsman ever and is now entering the ATG category in Tests as well. An incredible cricketer and a fierce competitor.
 
Bilal7 said:
This same [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] had earlier bowed before Kohli because he took advantage of an Asian style wicket and helped himself to a hundred. But but but, that was a vicious pitch and Kohli played a fantastic innings. Lol, gimme a break.
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Just because it was not a traditional South African wicket does not mean it was Asian. If it was proper Asian, India would have scored 400 and Ashwin would have taken many wickets. It was a phenomenal innings by a legendary batsman.
 
Ab Fan said:
Rohit and Dhawan(unless Rahul/Vijay gets injured) should be kept away from the first XI.Rest all is fine IMO. Saha should be back till then. Everything else will depend on pitch and conditions.
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Does Dhawan not have a great record in England or something?
 
Mamoon said:
Just because it was not a traditional South African wicket does not mean it was Asian. If it was proper Asian, India would have scored 400 and Ashwin would have taken many wickets. It was a phenomenal innings by a legendary batsman.
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It was an Indian-style pitch. The cricketing world agrees on that much. A fine innings nonetheless but it's rich how you're able to downplay Khan's 200 and overhype Kohli's 150 in the same thread.

Also, quit acting like India never loses on Indian pitches. Ashwin failed pretty bad in that match and showed that he's a mediocre spinner on anything that does not turn square. Ajmal, Swann and even Harbhajjan have all had at least one great showing in South Africa.
 
Bowling unit is doing a fine job. There are some issues with batting. There seems to be a severe a lack of practice against seam bowlers on green pitches. It should be addressed. 2)Watch Steve Smith bat. Leave the balls away from you and manoeuvre the ones closer to you and run!
 
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Mamoon said:
Apart from Auckland 2001, Younis has never played a big knock against quality swing and seam. He has held his own against bounce from time to time - Melbourne 2004, Old Trafford 2006, Oval 2016, Sydney 2017 etc., but lateral movement has always been his bane - he has been a fisherman throughout his career.
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Port Elizabeth 2007
 
England are a good test team however Pakistan are currently showing us what can be done when you prepare well. India on the other hand will probably arrogantly and foolishly turn up under-cooked.
 
Bilal7 said:
It'll be funny if India get smashed in England again, given how they're touring during the same time of the year we did. Then all the downplaying of our achievements will look pretty silly.

"Best Asian team of this decade" playing in "Easy English conditions". Let's see if they can win two tests.
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I think he is a wind up merchant.

FTR it will be a great series.
 
India need to arrive quite a bit early to stand any chance. You can't just show up and win. In 2016 we arrived I think three weeks before the series and it worked out well for us. This time we came about a month before the series.
 
Syed1 said:
India need to arrive quite a bit early to stand any chance. You can't just show up and win. In 2016 we arrived I think three weeks before the series and it worked out well for us. This time we came about a month before the series.
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I think this problem is widespread in current era. Often teams don't give themselves enough time to get familiar with conditions and then series becomes one sided. Home teams will always have advantage, but gap can be reduced if visiting teams arrive early.
 
I think India is going early and also sending some of propsects in the A team tour.I am interested to see how the likes of Gurbani( who swung the bowl beautifully in Ranji) do in English conditions.
 
IMO they don't deserve to be no 1 if they don't win this series. My prediction is, it will be a close series. AS long as our dumb captain don't make weird team selection, I think they will win.
 
India lost because England got lucky that Kohli got a neck injury and couldn’t play for Surrey.
 
On another note, this is one of the weakest English team I have seen in a while. If india can't win against them, we should hand over the crown to Pakistan who actually did put performance.
 
India have been traveling better for most of the last decade and a half. They need one away series win to set the template: this could be that tour.
For England, if they lose the series to Pakistan, the pressure to win will be unbearable. Might resort to using pitches with ankle level grass. Unfortunately for them, India’s attack is suited to that as well.
 
India is not winning more than a single test.They can do whatever they want. They have lost some 18 matches and won 2 against nz south Africa England and Australia. LOL at no. 1 team.
 
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