How would Shoaib Malik have done had he remained as captain?

[Hasan123]

Shoaib Malik was Pakistan skipper from 2007-2009. Under him we won 24 out of 36 ODIs. This is a really impressive record, furthermore Malik has done well when he has captained at domestic level in Pakistan.

Did we get rid of Shoaib Malik to early as captain? How would he have done had he been persisted with?

Discuss.....

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[badsha001]

If I am not mistaken out of 24 games, Pakistan played 15 odi against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

 

[Hasan123]

If I am not mistaken out of 24 games, Pakistan played 15 odi against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe

Wasn't aware of that. He can only beat what's in front of him.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

For a Pakistan captain you should have atleast 15 qualities and one of those is not losing your cool, handling criticism from media and different quarters, lobbies against you and not giving up in difficult times.

I like Malik the capain especially how he backs youngsters but unfortunately he was a softie in this case (gave up a domestic match capaining Sialkot), left Karchi Kings captaincy when things get tough, plus found him to be someone who cant take criticism positively. Sorry but dont think he would have succeeded in long terms for Pakistan.

In some other countries this thing might not be big but in Pakistan if you want to succeed and lead your team to new heights, you should have this quality. This is how things work here and its understandable when people who havent lived in Pakistan for long dont understand this.

 

[MMHS]

Brilliant Captain - once Dr. Nasim Ashraf said that Malik can lead PAK to 3 WCs (‘11 -‘19), and he was right actually. However, not being a cricket man, his (DNA) biggest mistake was that he couldn’t differentiate between formats of cricket and went for the popular idea of one Captain for all - made Malik Test Captain as well. My 1st POTW was in May 2011, on Malik and still I think that was probably my most deserving one - small but impactful post. I can’t find that post, but I can recall few points -

After the 90s corrupted generation, followed by extremely loyalist Inzi era, Dr. NA decided to start it from scratch - so he appointed a youngman as Captain, appointed a less reputed but capable coach and tried to make the selection mechanism as fair as possible - one example was to drop MoYo for Misbah (T20 WC), surprising but right decision that time. Malik started his captaincy era brilliantly, brought young players and gave them confidence - which not only irritated the oldies, also sacred them, because SM had a reputation of backing young players even at domestics also.

What happens is that Malik was never a Test quality player and he was a misfit in Test team - he knew it, but those seniors knew it better that Malik can’t run the Test team without them. So, those seniors, some of the most indisciplined, egoistic and selfish players (most of them ended in ICL following their guru) started to corner him and PCB didn’t back their appointed Captain, a youngman coming from a small town - so, Malik tried to solve the problem only way left to him, surrounded himself with his own admirer group. This trick is common in PAK cricket - every long term Captain protected himself this way, apart from Karder & Imran, but Malik’s mistake was to try that with younger players, should have pampered few 35+ who had good contacts - they would have protected Malik in exchange of career beyond 40. It was a costly mistake that guided the next man for long term charge ..... and Misbah did rectify that mistake with ultimate proficiency.

What Malik should have done in 2007, is something he did a decade later (from bitter experience) - resign from Test captaincy and take temporary retirement, with a note that in team’s requirement he is ready to come back in Test, playing as a common player - basically to protect himself and do a MoHa job in Asia, and probably he would have done better, because unlike MoHa, he won’t have played as opener and he can bowl acceptably without chucking.


Indeed he was good enough to lead PAK for 12/13 years in LO and I personally feel, his decline between 2009 to 2013 as player was due to lack of heart more than anything else. A limited cricketer, but street smart, flexible and extremely professional - ideal person to lead modern LO sides. It’s not by chance that from AUS to BD to WI, every where he is extremely popular and young players like him for a reason. Instead of Azhar, they should have appointed him in 2015 - that might have closed the door for Sarfraz, but won’t have been a bad choice either.

 

[ads101]

Dunno. He had a very short captaincy length, and faced a lot of Bangladesh and Zimbabwe games. Wasn't given a long enough chance to prove anything most likely.

Probably got rid of him too early. Out of all of his skills, arguably the one he's most known for in domestic is captain, and he was largely considered the best domestic captain by most in Pakistan. Especially in limited overs, don't think it's a fluke especially how he led his Sialkot Stallions side to win after win.

The sad thing is really what should have been his peak years 2010-2015, he lost form after losing captaincy, hardly in the side and when in the side looked generally poor. We could have done with a reliable middle order bat in Malik during that period. And his finishing qualities only really rose to occasion in last two years or so, he wasn't able to replicate his domestic finishing on the international stage.

But yeah in essence we did get rid of him too early. Misbah wasn't a great LOI captain tactically and YK didn't fit the personality needed to be a long term captain (it was a bad sign when he refused it earlier on despite being vice captain in the team).

 

[msb314]

Shoaib Malik was Pakistan skipper from 2007-2009. Under him we won 24 out of 36 ODIs. This is a really impressive record, furthermore Malik has done well when he has captained at domestic level in Pakistan.

Did we get rid of Shoaib Malik to early as captain? How would he have done had he been persisted with?

Discuss.....

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His ODI record of 24 wins cosistented of 10 consecutive wins over Zimbabwe and Bangladesh and nearly all of our OdI’s were in Asia back in those days.

However, I still believe he can do a great job with a young team. Many youngsters have already cited him as a great role model and mentor like Haris Sohail.

IMO - it was a mistake getting rid of him as captain and Lawson as coach. The seniors should have been told to get in line or get out at that time...

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Brilliant Captain - once Dr. Nasim Ashraf said that Malik can lead PAK to 3 WCs (‘11 -‘19), and he was right actually. However, not being a cricket man, his (DNA) biggest mistake was that he couldn’t differentiate between formats of cricket and went for the popular idea of one Captain for all - made Malik Test Captain as well. My 1st POTW was in May 2011, on Malik and still I think that was probably my most deserving one - small but impactful post. I can’t find that post, but I can recall few points -

After the 90s corrupted generation, followed by extremely loyalist Inzi era, Dr. NA decided to start it from scratch - so he appointed a youngman as Captain, appointed a less reputed but capable coach and tried to make the selection mechanism as fair as possible - one example was to drop MoYo for Misbah (T20 WC), surprising but right decision that time. Malik started his captaincy era brilliantly, brought young players and gave them confidence - which not only irritated the oldies, also sacred them, because SM had a reputation of backing young players even at domestics also.

What happens is that Malik was never a Test quality player and he was a misfit in Test team - he knew it, but those seniors knew it better that Malik canÂ’t run the Test team without them. So, those seniors, some of the most indisciplined, egoistic and selfish players (most of them ended in ICL following their guru) started to corner him and PCB didnÂ’t back their appointed Captain, a youngman coming from a small town - so, Malik tried to solve the problem only way left to him, surrounded himself with his own admirer group. This trick is common in PAK cricket - every long term Captain protected himself this way, apart from Karder & Imran, but MalikÂ’s mistake was to try that with younger players, should have pampered few 35+ who had good contacts - they would have protected Malik in exchange of career beyond 40. It was a costly mistake that guided the next man for long term charge ..... and Misbah did rectify that mistake with ultimate proficiency.

What Malik should have done in 2007, is something he did a decade later (from bitter experience) - resign from Test captaincy and take temporary retirement, with a note that in teamÂ’s requirement he is ready to come back in Test, playing as a common player - basically to protect himself and do a MoHa job in Asia, and probably he would have done better, because unlike MoHa, he wonÂ’t have played as opener and he can bowl acceptably without chucking.


Indeed he was good enough to lead PAK for 12/13 years in LO and I personally feel, his decline between 2009 to 2013 as player was due to lack of heart more than anything else. A limited cricketer, but street smart, flexible and extremely professional - ideal person to lead modern LO sides. ItÂ’s not by chance that from AUS to BD to WI, every where he is extremely popular and young players like him for a reason. Instead of Azhar, they should have appointed him in 2015 - that might have closed the door for Sarfraz, but wonÂ’t have been a bad choice either.

Agree. Malik was a misfit in tests shouldn’t have taken it in the first place. Moreover MYK was also a good attacking captain. He was also the vice captain when Inzi was captain. MYK should have been made test captain back then and MALIK should be for LOIs backed by BUTT as vice captain. They messed it up very badly and until 2015 with no idea of who will lead the next series and no vision for a potential vice captain. Whatmore wanted three different captains in Malik for t20s, Hafeez for Odis and Misbah for tests.

 

[coy0607]

He was not at all the person he is today

The politics during his regime were off the charts. He was rightfully removed as captain. Good on him for turning it around

 

[waleed88]

Malik became such an unpopular captain that by the time he got married to Sania Mirza, of all his teammates during his captaincy years only Sohail Tanvir showed up at the wedding. To not see any of the stars of that time from his captaincy said alot about the atmosphere that was created during that era.

 

[MMHS]

Malik became such an unpopular captain that by the time he got married to Sania Mirza, of all his teammates during his captaincy years only Sohail Tanvir showed up at the wedding. To not see any of the stars of that time from his captaincy said alot about the atmosphere that was created during that era.

Don't you think that this tells more about his team mates than him or his Captaincy? He is the most popular Captain for Stallions and almost every junior cricketer has good words for his.

By the way, those team mates you are talking about - this is what they did in his last series, for which there should have been a proper inquiry in most other countries.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/385748.html

 

[waleed88]

After the world cup in a game in the UAE, Pakistan had to chase 280 against a strong Srilankan attack, Malik said in an interview that when he was going out he had to 'hold his hands up to Shahid Afridi (the eventual match winner) that 'please keep my izzat intact' and Afridi won him the match.

When asked what will Malik do as a captain if he has to handle difficult characters like Shoaib Akhtar, Malik replied that he handle it 'dosti yaaari say'. Its pretty clear Malik thought sucking upto some of the big egoes will allow him to keep his place in the side (like it did for him when Inzi was captain), however some inflated egoes were just too big of themselves to ever take orders from a junior like Malik.

There was alot of tussle regarding Malik's appointment a guy who didn't even one half century in England Australia in test matches., a Jazz ad was on air with Iman Ali showed Afridi losing the girl to Malik (just like the captaincy) and I'm pretty sure Afridi was bitter pretty about losing captaincy to Malik however he never expressed it publicly.

Imran Khan was also public about YK being the good captain and he never backed Malik's captaincy.

Malik's biggest cause of failure was his soft underbelly which never achieved the results it was supposed to achieve.

The only credit Malik is to be given as captain was to introduce Misbah ul Haq to Pakistan cricket, and give him captaincy in his stead when he was injured, where Misbah won a good game as captain in Karachi. Malik always had an eye from groooming young players which he showed as Sialkot Stallions captain.

However give him a room full of inflated egos and he looks like a deer stuck with headlights.

 

[waleed88]

Don't you think that this tells more about his team mates than him or his Captaincy? He is the most popular Captain for Stallions and almost every junior cricketer has good words for his.

By the way, those team mates you are talking about - this is what they did in his last series, for which there should have been a proper inquiry in most other countries.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/series/385748.html

I have written Malik's comparison for Stallions vs Pakistan team in the next post.

Basically Malik was very low in the pecking order in the list to be captain. Alot of bigger names were bypassed to give Malik the captaincy, Afridi, Akhtar, YK, Mohammad Yousuf, Shoaib Akhtar, Razzaq were bypassed to give Malik the role, and half of those felt Malik didn't even deserve it.

Our board on the other hand wanted a clean cut yes-man, not a trouble maker like all the other names were at that time.

It wasn't just the cricketing captain, but the whole board and government was a yes man to one dictator in the country.

 

[The_Odd_One]

He was a good ODI cricketer in his captaincy days. Played some really good innings. I think he could be valuable in tests too. Note that Pakistan played a lot of tests vs India and SL in those days.

He was wrongly removed from captaincy and it affected his batting. 2008 onwards was one of the worst periods for Pakistan cricket. There was too much incompetence in PCB and off field politics.

 

[The_Odd_One]

A young cricketer could never captain Pakistan in the past. Azhar Mehmood knew it and he did not accept the offer.

 

[waleed88]

Malik was basically that era's Azhar Ali, a man with his hands tied, and had zero say in what he had/was allowed to do as captain.

 

[MMHS]

Malik was basically that era's Azhar Ali, a man with his hands tied, and had zero say in what he had/was allowed to do as captain.

You lost your entire credibility for this one liner - it saved lots of my time, as no point discussing here.

 

[Titan24]

Would have been a really good captain and I think he would have been a better captain the Afridi, Misbah and Azhar in ODIs and T20s. His captaincy skills were not used which is a shame. He was a tactical genius.

To me he is one of the better minds in cricket world. He has the eye for talent as we have seen number of talented players he introduced in Sialkot's team. He has the sense for game sutuation, feilds, players and opposition.

He became captain at the same time as MSD and both teams were in the final of T20 world cup 2007.

 

[waleed88]

You lost your entire credibility for this one liner - it saved lots of my time, as no point discussing here.

My posts are not even half as long, or half as irrelevant as yours.

 

[waleed88]

Would have been a really good captain and I think he would have been a better captain the Afridi, Misbah and Azhar in ODIs and T20s. His captaincy skills were not used which is a shame. He was a tactical genius.

To me he is one of the better minds in cricket world. He has the eye for talent as we have seen number of talented players he introduced in Sialkot's team. He has the sense for game sutuation, feilds, players and opposition.

He became captain at the same time as MSD and both teams were in the final of T20 world cup 2007.

Yes and the result is for everyone to see, lost 3-2 to MS in the 2007/08 series ODI, lost the test series to MS in 2007/08, lost the t20 world cup final to MS in 2007.

MS went on to become one of the greatest captains of all time, meanwhile being the player of the year atleast once.

While Malik isn't even the best performer of the country currently after 18 years in his International career

 

[waleed88]

I remember there were comparisons made between Malik and MS, everyone like Dhoni's body language as a captain, he was aggressive, he had a swagger about him, his captaincy had that midas touch that made the right decisions and the team enjoyed being around him, he was a bundle of energy.

Other the hand even the commentators said Malik was meek, sheepish, defensive, a tad cowering, within himself. Which reminded a lot of the day Inzamam captained back in the days. You can't have a sheepish smile on your face half the time. Malik lacked that, the ability to back his decisions. Current day Azhar Ali is another example.

For eg congratulating the entire Muslim community on the victory for Pakistan, or calling Kamran akmal the best wicket keeper batsmen in the world were a couple of his own goals that never stood right with the Pakistan public.

 

[waleed88]

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ent-quot-all-Muslims-of-the-world-quot-MERGED

Shoaib Malik congratulating Muslims around the world.

 

[Savak]

He is better off as a player than as a captain. Malik was a useful player in our Limited overs team and should never have been given the captaincy at such a young age. It hurt his career tremendously and ended up costing him 5-6 years.

 

[super hitter]

Malik became such an unpopular captain that by the time he got married to Sania Mirza, of all his teammates during his captaincy years only Sohail Tanvir showed up at the wedding. To not see any of the stars of that time from his captaincy said alot about the atmosphere that was created during that era.

That is such a lame one left in open air!

To be more precise, Muhammad Yousaf has been the biggest culprit in Pakistan cricket history...

 

[super hitter]

I remember there were comparisons made between Malik and MS, everyone like Dhoni's body language as a captain, he was aggressive, he had a swagger about him, his captaincy had that midas touch that made the right decisions and the team enjoyed being around him, he was a bundle of energy.

Other the hand even the commentators said Malik was meek, sheepish, defensive, a tad cowering, within himself. Which reminded a lot of the day Inzamam captained back in the days. You can't have a sheepish smile on your face half the time. Malik lacked that, the ability to back his decisions. Current day Azhar Ali is another example.

For eg congratulating the entire Muslim community on the victory for Pakistan, or calling Kamran akmal the best wicket keeper batsmen in the world were a couple of his own goals that never stood right with the Pakistan public.

You're good at making up stories...

That never stood right with the Pakistani community....??? COOL!

 

[MMHS]

My posts are not even half as long, or half as irrelevant as yours.

Irony of your post is that the same day, few hours later Malik was buying players for PSL as Captain, while Azhar Ali got unsold even as supplementary. May be, Multan Franchise also wanted a YES Man.

 

[waleed88]

Irony of your post is that the same day, few hours later Malik was buying players for PSL as Captain, while Azhar Ali got unsold even as supplementary. May be, Multan Franchise also wanted a YES Man.

The issue is Malik had 18 years to get where he has been now, Azhar has already achieved more as a player.

Malik can pretend all he likes, but just like his stint as KK captain. This will end up being bust.

 

[waleed88]

You're good at making up stories...

That never stood right with the Pakistani community....??? COOL!

Atleast I saw alot of news tickers on congratulating the Islamic community on victory of Pakistan... I think thats a pretty loool moment anyhow

 

[waleed88]

That is such a lame one left in open air!

To be more precise, Muhammad Yousaf has been the biggest culprit in Pakistan cricket history...

Well I would be very surprised if in this era someone like Imad Wasim got married and the whole of the cricket team didn't show up.

It was the case at Malik's wedding. No one except Tanvir and another star was there.

 

[Mamoon]

Brilliant Captain - once Dr. Nasim Ashraf said that Malik can lead PAK to 3 WCs (‘11 -‘19), and he was right actually. However, not being a cricket man, his (DNA) biggest mistake was that he couldn’t differentiate between formats of cricket and went for the popular idea of one Captain for all - made Malik Test Captain as well. My 1st POTW was in May 2011, on Malik and still I think that was probably my most deserving one - small but impactful post. I can’t find that post, but I can recall few points -

After the 90s corrupted generation, followed by extremely loyalist Inzi era, Dr. NA decided to start it from scratch - so he appointed a youngman as Captain, appointed a less reputed but capable coach and tried to make the selection mechanism as fair as possible - one example was to drop MoYo for Misbah (T20 WC), surprising but right decision that time. Malik started his captaincy era brilliantly, brought young players and gave them confidence - which not only irritated the oldies, also sacred them, because SM had a reputation of backing young players even at domestics also.

What happens is that Malik was never a Test quality player and he was a misfit in Test team - he knew it, but those seniors knew it better that Malik canÂ’t run the Test team without them. So, those seniors, some of the most indisciplined, egoistic and selfish players (most of them ended in ICL following their guru) started to corner him and PCB didnÂ’t back their appointed Captain, a youngman coming from a small town - so, Malik tried to solve the problem only way left to him, surrounded himself with his own admirer group. This trick is common in PAK cricket - every long term Captain protected himself this way, apart from Karder & Imran, but MalikÂ’s mistake was to try that with younger players, should have pampered few 35+ who had good contacts - they would have protected Malik in exchange of career beyond 40. It was a costly mistake that guided the next man for long term charge ..... and Misbah did rectify that mistake with ultimate proficiency.

What Malik should have done in 2007, is something he did a decade later (from bitter experience) - resign from Test captaincy and take temporary retirement, with a note that in teamÂ’s requirement he is ready to come back in Test, playing as a common player - basically to protect himself and do a MoHa job in Asia, and probably he would have done better, because unlike MoHa, he wonÂ’t have played as opener and he can bowl acceptably without chucking.


Indeed he was good enough to lead PAK for 12/13 years in LO and I personally feel, his decline between 2009 to 2013 as player was due to lack of heart more than anything else. A limited cricketer, but street smart, flexible and extremely professional - ideal person to lead modern LO sides. ItÂ’s not by chance that from AUS to BD to WI, every where he is extremely popular and young players like him for a reason. Instead of Azhar, they should have appointed him in 2015 - that might have closed the door for Sarfraz, but wonÂ’t have been a bad choice either.

Perfect summary. Don't have anything to add.

 

[MMHS]

The issue is Malik had 18 years to get where he has been now, Azhar has already achieved more as a player.

Malik can pretend all he likes, but just like his stint as KK captain. This will end up being bust.

Malik was made Captain at 25, in 6 months time he took PAK to a WC Final, Azhar was made Captain at 32 - in 6 months time he took PAK to 9th rank.

Sorry, you have to try harder ....................

 

[msb314]

You're good at making up stories...

That never stood right with the Pakistani community....??? COOL!

It is not far from the truth.

After the 2009/2010 tour of Australia - Itikhab Alam had described Malik as being “aloof and a loner” and said he did not behave like how a captain should.

I will leave it up to if you agree or disagree with that...

 

[maxamax]

Same question, replace Malik with Butt.

 

[msb314]

Yes and the result is for everyone to see, lost 3-2 to MS in the 2007/08 series ODI, lost the test series to MS in 2007/08, lost the t20 world cup final to MS in 2007.

MS went on to become one of the greatest captains of all time, meanwhile being the player of the year atleast once.

While Malik isn't even the best performer of the country currently after 18 years in his International career

You have made some good posts but Inhave to disagree here.

Cannot really compare Malik’s team who were in transition to an ATG Indian team that still had the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Ganguly, Gambhir and Dhoni himself in the batting lineup!

The 2007 tour of India was closely fought we did well to only lose 3-2 in that series.

Malok’s Team did well to win the 2008 Kitply cup. Although the Asia Cup was disappointing - we still chased 309 and only could not make the final since India pulled off a close run chase against SL in batting friendly conditions.

The 2007 World T20 final defeat was disappointing but let’s be real here - almost all fans and pundits had little to no expectations going to that tournament. We actually grossly overachieved in that tournament to be frank.

 

[msb314]

After the world cup in a game in the UAE, Pakistan had to chase 280 against a strong Srilankan attack, Malik said in an interview that when he was going out he had to 'hold his hands up to Shahid Afridi (the eventual match winner) that 'please keep my izzat intact' and Afridi won him the match.

When asked what will Malik do as a captain if he has to handle difficult characters like Shoaib Akhtar, Malik replied that he handle it 'dosti yaaari say'. Its pretty clear Malik thought sucking upto some of the big egoes will allow him to keep his place in the side (like it did for him when Inzi was captain), however some inflated egoes were just too big of themselves to ever take orders from a junior like Malik.

There was alot of tussle regarding Malik's appointment a guy who didn't even one half century in England Australia in test matches., a Jazz ad was on air with Iman Ali showed Afridi losing the girl to Malik (just like the captaincy) and I'm pretty sure Afridi was bitter pretty about losing captaincy to Malik however he never expressed it publicly.

Imran Khan was also public about YK being the good captain and he never backed Malik's captaincy.

Malik's biggest cause of failure was his soft underbelly which never achieved the results it was supposed to achieve.

The only credit Malik is to be given as captain was to introduce Misbah ul Haq to Pakistan cricket, and give him captaincy in his stead when he was injured, where Misbah won a good game as captain in Karachi. Malik always had an eye from groooming young players which he showed as Sialkot Stallions captain.

However give him a room full of inflated egos and he looks like a deer stuck with headlights.

Thanks for the memories!

I believe the match you are referring to was the first ODI against SL in Abu Dhabi in 2007. I think it is the same match where Afridi hit Malinda Bhandara for 4 consecutive sixes!

However, I seem to recall that Malik said to Afridi upon his dismissal was “Please Match Jitadein” or something like that!

 

[Mamoon]

The issue is Malik had 18 years to get where he has been now, Azhar has already achieved more as a player.

Malik can pretend all he likes, but just like his stint as KK captain. This will end up being bust.

Azhar did well overseas last year, but his career was built on the UAE highways, and it took Malik just one Test series to score a 200+ in the UAE.

A motivated Malik would have been our most prolific batsman in the UAE Tests after Younis, him and MoYo have been really unlucky to play all of their Test cricket before the UAE era, which basically made careers of players like Misbah, Azhar, Shafiq and most importantly, Hafeez.

 

[waleed88]

You have made some good posts but Inhave to disagree here.

Cannot really compare Malik’s team who were in transition to an ATG Indian team that still had the likes of Tendulkar, Dravid, Sehwag, Ganguly, Gambhir and Dhoni himself in the batting lineup!

The 2007 tour of India was closely fought we did well to only lose 3-2 in that series.

Malok’s Team did well to win the 2008 Kitply cup. Although the Asia Cup was disappointing - we still chased 309 and only could not make the final since India pulled off a close run chase against SL in batting friendly conditions.

The 2007 World T20 final defeat was disappointing but let’s be real here - almost all fans and pundits had little to no expectations going to that tournament. We actually grossly overachieved in that tournament to be frank.

Malik wasn't even captain in the game we won, it was Misbah who was captaining the side.

 

[waleed88]

Azhar did well overseas last year, but his career was built on the UAE highways, and it took Malik just one Test series to score a 200+ in the UAE.

A motivated Malik would have been our most prolific batsman in the UAE Tests after Younis, him and MoYo have been really unlucky to play all of their Test cricket before the UAE era, which basically made careers of players like Misbah, Azhar, Shafiq and most importantly, Hafeez.

Yes a 200 in which he got out once off a ball, followed by failures in 5 subsequent innings made sure Malik realized what his place was in the test side, by the end of the third game it was clear to Malik test cricket is not for him. As soon as English bowlers realized it was short pitched stuff that was getting him he was never able to make an impact after that.

 

[waleed88]

Thanks for the memories!

I believe the match you are referring to was the first ODI against SL in Abu Dhabi in 2007. I think it is the same match where Afridi hit Malinda Bhandara for 4 consecutive sixes!

However, I seem to recall that Malik said to Afridi upon his dismissal was “Please Match Jitadein” or something like that!

Yes please match jita deain, I don't think a captain has to beg anyone to win them the match, you can't get everything done in 'dosti yaari' either you are good enough to be captain or you are not.

 

[waleed88]

Malik was made Captain at 25, in 6 months time he took PAK to a WC Final, Azhar was made Captain at 32 - in 6 months time he took PAK to 9th rank.

Sorry, you have to try harder ....................

Captain had nothing to do with the team's run in t20s, we were an invincible t20 side in the first 2 tournaments, evidence was us winning the tournament under YK (the worst t20 player ever).

Evidence points to the fact that Gul was an invincible bowler, while Afridi was the player of the tournament in the first edition and a match winner in semis and finals of the second edition , Ajmal was an amazing mystery bowler who kept it tight, Sohail Tanvir was a good find. Mohammad Asif ran India ragged in the group game.

It had sincerely nothing to do with the captain, who despite playing a couple of good knocks against SL and Aus, was a no show in the final, and his body language was much discussed at as the game drew to a close comparing him to Dhoni.

Also not to forget the entire cluelessness that we showed in the bowl out vs India in the world cup, shows what a clueless captain Malik was exactly, our bowlers missing the stumps while Indians using spinners to hit the stumps everytime. Our team and team management was a farce at that time.

 

[waleed88]

Azhar did well overseas last year, but his career was built on the UAE highways, and it took Malik just one Test series to score a 200+ in the UAE.

A motivated Malik would have been our most prolific batsman in the UAE Tests after Younis, him and MoYo have been really unlucky to play all of their Test cricket before the UAE era, which basically made careers of players like Misbah, Azhar, Shafiq and most importantly, Hafeez.

From a period of 2011-14 we mostly played Srilanka half the time, don't think Malik has what it takes to play a Rangana Herath in his prime. Ofcourse this Srilankan side is another story.

 

[waleed88]

Azhar did well overseas last year, but his career was built on the UAE highways, and it took Malik just one Test series to score a 200+ in the UAE.

A motivated Malik would have been our most prolific batsman in the UAE Tests after Younis, him and MoYo have been really unlucky to play all of their Test cricket before the UAE era, which basically made careers of players like Misbah, Azhar, Shafiq and most importantly, Hafeez.

Azhar has managed to score decent runs in all tough conditions, while Malik has played all round the world but has never managed to perform in any of the top places in test matches, so your point is pretty off.

Everyone thought our top order would be a sitting duck vs Australia, England and NZ, but it turned out it was our bowling that failed to deliver, while batsmen pretty much had a decent outing in a few games.

Malik is a short ball bunny. Even in test matches of UAE he was exposed to short bowling from Broad and Mark Wood.

 

[waleed88]

Thanks for the memories!

I believe the match you are referring to was the first ODI against SL in Abu Dhabi in 2007. I think it is the same match where Afridi hit Malinda Bhandara for 4 consecutive sixes!

However, I seem to recall that Malik said to Afridi upon his dismissal was “Please Match Jitadein” or something like that!

My bad it wasn't a 280, but a 235 chase, but we were staring down the barrel until Afridi and Kamran played blinders.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes a 200 in which he got out once off a ball, followed by failures in 5 subsequent innings made sure Malik realized what his place was in the test side, by the end of the third game it was clear to Malik test cricket is not for him. As soon as English bowlers realized it was short pitched stuff that was getting him he was never able to make an impact after that.

From a period of 2011-14 we mostly played Srilanka half the time, don't think Malik has what it takes to play a Rangana Herath in his prime. Ofcourse this Srilankan side is another story.

Apart from Younis and Misbah, all batsmen of ours have failed more often than they have succeeded. Malik retired because our overseas cycle was starting, and he is smart enough to know that he is not Test material outside Asia.

Let's not talk about Herath and the nightmares he has given to the likes of Azhar and Shafiq. Malik will be a better player of spin in his 50s.

 

[MMHS]

Captain had nothing to do with the team's run in t20s, we were an invincible t20 side in the first 2 tournaments, evidence was us winning the tournament under YK (the worst t20 player ever).

Evidence points to the fact that Gul was an invincible bowler, while Afridi was the player of the tournament in the first edition and a match winner in semis and finals of the second edition , Ajmal was an amazing mystery bowler who kept it tight, Sohail Tanvir was a good find. Mohammad Asif ran India ragged in the group game.

It had sincerely nothing to do with the captain, who despite playing a couple of good knocks against SL and Aus, was a no show in the final, and his body language was much discussed at as the game drew to a close comparing him to Dhoni.

Also not to forget the entire cluelessness that we showed in the bowl out vs India in the world cup, shows what a clueless captain Malik was exactly, our bowlers missing the stumps while Indians using spinners to hit the stumps everytime. Our team and team management was a farce at that time.

Well, it's only when bowl out that Captain has a role in T20 - rest is all about squad. You tried your best indeed - I am learning new things in cricket every day.

 

[waleed88]

Well, it's only when bowl out that Captain has a role in T20 - rest is all about squad. You tried your best indeed - I am learning new things in cricket every day.

Yes a bowl out in which a captain has to select the bowlers and a captain was clueless.

It proved that Dhoni was too smart, and he outsmarted Malik everytime.

Malik was a coward, with no spine.

 

[waleed88]

Apart from Younis and Misbah, all batsmen of ours have failed more often than they have succeeded. Malik retired because our overseas cycle was starting, and he is smart enough to know that he is not Test material outside Asia.

Let's not talk about Herath and the nightmares he has given to the likes of Azhar and Shafiq. Malik will be a better player of spin in his 50s.

Which is why Shoaib Malik has an average of 34.83 in 19 test matches he has played on home grounds (Pakistan). A complete liability in the test format who was only selected ahead of the likes of Asim Kamal because he was good at sucking up to Inzi...

 

[MMHS]

Yes a bowl out in which a captain has to select the bowlers and a captain was clueless.

It proved that Dhoni was too smart, and he outsmarted Malik everytime.

Malik was a coward, with no spine.

He got sacred for the bowl out!!!!!!

 

[msb314]

Malik wasn't even captain in the game we won, it was Misbah who was captaining the side.

Which specific game are you referring to?

 

[waleed88]

Which specific game are you referring to?

The game we won against India chasing 300 in Karachi.

Misbah scored a 70 while YK scored a 100

 

[Mamoon]

Which is why Shoaib Malik has an average of 34.83 in 19 test matches he has played on home grounds (Pakistan). A complete liability in the test format who was only selected ahead of the likes of Asim Kamal because he was good at sucking up to Inzi...

Pakistan is a tougher place to bat than the UAE. There is more moisture in the pitch and the new ball swings. UAE has been the best thing to happen to our stroke-less wonders and FTBs, but it has had an adverse impact on our LOI teams.

Had we not moved to the UAE since 2010, we would have lost a home series much earlier than 2017.

 

[Haz95]

From a period of 2011-14 we mostly played Srilanka half the time, don't think Malik has what it takes to play a Rangana Herath in his prime. Ofcourse this Srilankan side is another story.

Malik has scored a century against a Herath who took a 5fer in the same inning. More importantly, he's scored a 150 in the fourth inning on a turner against Muralitharan . Malik even now is one of the best players of spin in the world and is probably the best in LOIs.

 

[waleed88]

Malik has scored a century against a Herath who took a 5fer in the same inning. More importantly, he's scored a 150 in the fourth inning on a turner against Muralitharan . Malik even now is one of the best players of spin in the world and is probably the best in LOIs.

Malik still doesn't have what it takes to face spin barrage consistently in a whole test match. He may have a few knocks here and there obviously, the sample size isn't huge him facing Srilanka. The way he was exposed in Test Cricket against England in UAE said it all, Malik's ability to play Test cricket is limited. He doesn't/never had the temperament for it. Average of 35 says everything playing half the games in home conditions.

 

[waleed88]

Pakistan is a tougher place to bat than the UAE. There is more moisture in the pitch and the new ball swings. UAE has been the best thing to happen to our stroke-less wonders and FTBs, but it has had an adverse impact on our LOI teams.

Had we not moved to the UAE since 2010, we would have lost a home series much earlier than 2017.

I disagree, Malik has only produced knocks in Pakistan or Asian tracks, and has consistently failed abroad. Even players like Faisal Iqbal Kamran Akmal Imran Farhat have played a few knocks in home conditions and average more or less the same. You can say what you like about how easy it is in UAE, but I never see Malik batting out 2 days in Test cricket to draw a test match against South Africa in UAE 2010. It was the best side in the world and the way Younis and Misbah toughed it out in those conditions, Malik never has the ability to do that. He just doesn't have the temperament for it.

Or like Shafiq scoring runs the with the tail on a spinnning track against England in 2012.