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I would like to know how good and how much valuable were this trio of Indian middle order batting- <B>Gundappa Viswanath in 70s-80s, Dilip Vengsarkar and Mohinder Amarnath</B> were to the Indian team?

Statistically,

Vengsarkar has 6800 test runs @ AVG of 42.1, Viswanath has around 6000 runs @41.9 and Amarnath has 4300 runs @42.5.

How would you rank the trio if we talk about test cricket?

Discuss!
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION], your take on this?
 
All 3 were good players with some great high.
Vengsarker was highest rated batsman in world during mid 80's.
Amarnath was once rated pretty highly against fast bowler. Managed 50+ away average. MOM in 83 WC final.
Vishwanath was second best 70's Indian batsman after Gavaskar. He scored 14 centuries in which 13 resulted in India's victory.
 
What’s there to discuss? Average players. Never known as impactful players.,

Zaheer abbas has pretty similar stats and he is amongst pakistans greatest batsman.
So obviously these guys were special players, not atgs but indian greats for sure.
 
Amarnaths best and worse performances came against the west indies quartet.
I think all three of them are amongst indian top 10 batsman.
Top 10 indian batsman:
Sachin
Gavaskar
Kohli
Dravid
Sehwag
Laxman
Pujara
Gundappa
Amarnath
Vengsarkar
 
Amarnaths best and worse performances came against the west indies quartet.
I think all three of them are amongst indian top 10 batsman.
Top 10 indian batsman:
Sachin
Gavaskar
Kohli
Dravid
Sehwag
Laxman
Pujara
Gundappa
Amarnath
Vengsarkar

Spot on. My rating for top 7 and perhaps 8 will be same as yours. Very close on Vengsarkar, Azharuddin and Amarnath though.

For current time being, I will have Dravid ahead of Kohli.
 
junaids will say gundappa, amarnath and vengsarkar were India's greatest batsmen and that they would dominate inn the modern era. He would say this to make pakistan of the 80s look better than they actually were.

All 3 were good but nothing special. None of the 3 can play bounce well.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION], your take on this?

I never saw Vishy.

Amanarth was a really good #3, struck me as very brave, getting a lot of runs on a tour of WI. But then on his home wickets where you would expect him to score even more heavily, he couldn’t get a run. Strange. Perhaps he had adjusted to the searing pace in the Caribbean and was playing his shots too early.

Vengsarkar was excellent, I think he was rated #1 in the world at one time, and got centuries in three successive Lord’s tests. I was surprised that he missed a fourth on that 1990 road, but perhaps scoreboard pressure from England’s 654/4 came into play. That was the match where Kapil hit four successive sixes with nine wickets down to avoid the follow on.
 
junaids will say gundappa, amarnath and vengsarkar were India's greatest batsmen and that they would dominate inn the modern era. He would say this to make pakistan of the 80s look better than they actually were.

All 3 were good but nothing special. None of the 3 can play bounce well.



Amarnath was great against bounce in the Caribbean against the most fearsome attack in history of cricket.
 
At his peak, in 1982-83, Mohinder Amarnath was the greatest Test batsman since Bradman.

India played two consecutive away series against rampaging Pakistan and West Indies teams.

In the first series, Amarnath scored 584 runs against Pakistan at 73.00, when Imran Khan was unstoppable.

In the next series he scored 598 runs against the West Indies at 66.44, and he alone tamed their pace attack.

It was a very brief peak, but a very high one!
 
I would like to know how good and how much valuable were this trio of Indian middle order batting- <B>Gundappa Viswanath in 70s-80s, Dilip Vengsarkar and Mohinder Amarnath</B> were to the Indian team?

Statistically,

Vengsarkar has 6800 test runs @ AVG of 42.1, Viswanath has around 6000 runs @41.9 and Amarnath has 4300 runs @42.5.

How would you rank the trio if we talk about test cricket?

Discuss!

In order of merit Vishy,Dilip and then Mohinder.

Amarnath was the best to bat for your life and the most solid.In West Indies in 1983 he displayed the best display ever against a great pace battery amassing 593 runs at an average of over 66.Vengsarkar was the statistical giant with the best record versus West Indies and with 3 centuries at Lords.However in term sof pure artistry Vishwanath was in another league whose batting defined a new dimension in the game.Vishy could produce strokes that were surreal like his late cut of yorkers and combined hook-pull-flick shot.Significant that India never lost a tset when Vishy scored a hundred and he averaged 6 run smore than Gavaskar in matches won.On bad or bouncy wickets Vishy would outscore Sunny ,which is aslo the opinion of Dennis Lillee and Andy Roberts.To me Vishy was the best match-winner if you see his record.

Vishy fell out on consistency but on his day was in the league of a Viv or Chappell.Amarnath was another version of an Ian Chappell or Javed Miandad at his best.,the ultimate epitome of determination.Vengsarkar resembled Greg Chapell but was not at his best on the offside.
 
At his peak, in 1982-83, Mohinder Amarnath was the greatest Test batsman since Bradman.

India played two consecutive away series against rampaging Pakistan and West Indies teams.

In the first series, Amarnath scored 584 runs against Pakistan at 73.00, when Imran Khan was unstoppable.

In the next series he scored 598 runs against the West Indies at 66.44, and he alone tamed their pace attack.

It was a very brief peak, but a very high one!

Never forget what Lillee and Roberts said about Vishy who executed some of the finest counter-attacks on the fastest wicket at Madras versus West Indies.At his best Vishy could join even Viv or Chappell.In terms of sheer prowess Vishy was in the class of a Rohan Kanhai and an ultimate match winner.
 
similar level to zaheer abbas and sameen malik.
Good but not great. Never were great.

I disagree .At their best Vishy and Zaheer could sit with the gods of Olympus like a Lara or Tendulkar.See videos of Vishy's best and you will understand.On flat tracks Zaheer was close to a runner up to Bradman .The likes of a Majid,Zaheer ,Gower or Vishy at their best were in the league of any batting great.
 
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Amarnath was great against bounce in the Caribbean against the most fearsome attack in history of cricket.

Perfectly correct or accurate.To me the best exhibition against great pace bowling ever if you asess strength of bowling attack and situation.
 
Good players but nothing special.

Do you not agree that at his best Vishy was in the league of the best ever if you ***** his best knock sin a crisis or on bad wickets?Avergaed more than Sunny in wins and a better batsmen on bouncy surfaces or bad wickets.Took batting art to dimension snot reached reminding one of a magician .

Amarnath at his best was the ultimate personification of grit and determination in the Carribean in 1983.Best batting ever against great pace.

Vengsarkar mastered seaming English conditions as few batsmen ever did.
 
Do you not agree that at his best Vishy was in the league of the best ever if you ***** his best knock sin a crisis or on bad wickets?Avergaed more than Sunny in wins and a better batsmen on bouncy surfaces or bad wickets.Took batting art to dimension snot reached reminding one of a magician .

Amarnath at his best was the ultimate personification of grit and determination in the Carribean in 1983.Best batting ever against great pace.

Vengsarkar mastered seaming English conditions as few batsmen ever did.

What will be your top 10 Indian batsmen since 1970s ?
 
Interesting OP. Where one would rate them in the pantheon of Indian batsmen is both a function of their skills as well as of Indian history.

They cannot be regarded as greats. But those who dismiss them as nothing special or even average are dead wrong; they were all very good to special players in their day.

Vengsarkar - in the 70s and 80s you didn't get 17 test hundreds (3 at Lords, the first man to do so) if you were average or even 'just' good. He was a classy, classy player and a mainstay of Indian batting. I'll quote cricinfo- "At the time of his retirement in 1992, he was second only to Gavaskar in runs and centuries scored in Tests".

Viswanath - He's a bit like an earlier version of VVS Laxman (whose track record I'm sure will be questioned as average in a decade or less), very wristy, and an even more sublime stroke player. And Vishy reserved some of his best innings when the chips were down, playing abroad. Some of his innings to mind- a couple in NZ and one at the MCG were phenomenal. I remember the man's style and his grace - just phenomenal.

Amarnath - How do you judge a man who has played some of the most fearless knocks in Test history? Amanath at Barbados forever defines my memory of the man

[MENTION=291]junaid[/MENTION] has already spoken of his incredible streak, but immediately after that at home he couldn't buy a run. Amarnath scored hard runs the hard way, Of his 11 centuries 9 came outside India.

At a time when Indian batting was 'susceptible' to pace, Amarnath gave immense pride to Indian supporters. At his best he wasn't just very good against pace, he was great in every sense of the word. And the man's courage was something else. So Jimmy Amarnath was never mediocre.

None of them I'd regard as an ATG great, but all three were Indian greats, very special batsmen, who would rank very high even today.
 
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Interesting OP. Where one would rate them in the pantheon of Indian batsmen is both a function of their skills as well as of Indian history.

They cannot be regarded as greats. But those who dismiss them as nothing special or even average are dead wrong; they were all very good to special players in their day.

Vengsarkar - in the 70s and 80s you didn't get 17 test hundreds (3 at Lords, the first man to do so) if you were average or even 'just' good. He was a classy, classy player and a mainstay of Indian batting. I'll quote cricinfo- "At the time of his retirement in 1992, he was second only to Gavaskar in runs and centuries scored in Tests".

Viswanath - He's a bit like an earlier version of VVS Laxman (whose track record I'm sure will be questioned as average in a decade or less), very wristy, and an even more sublime stroke player. And Vishy reserved some of his best innings when the chips were down, playing abroad. Some of his innings to mind- a couple in NZ and one at the MCG were phenomenal. I remember the man's style and his grace - just phenomenal.

Amarnath - How do you judge a man who has played some of the most fearless knocks in Test history? Amanath at Barbados forever defines my memory of the man

[MENTION=291]junaid[/MENTION] has already spoken of his incredible streak, but immediately after that at home he couldn't buy a run. Amarnath scored hard runs the hard way, Of his 11 centuries 9 came outside India.

At a time when Indian batting was 'susceptible' to pace, Amarnath gave immense pride to Indian supporters. At his best he wasn't just very good against pace, he was great in every sense of the word. And the man's courage was something else. So Jimmy Amarnath was never mediocre.

None of them I'd regard as an ATG great, but all three were Indian greats, very special batsmen, who would rank very high even today.

Nevermind, OP is always interesting. I agree with your points and that is exactly what I learnt about these players as per my reading of them.

Very good players, would have ranked them as Indian greats if they averaged around 45.
 
In order of merit Vishy,Dilip and then Mohinder.

Amarnath was the best to bat for your life and the most solid.In West Indies in 1983 he displayed the best display ever against a great pace battery amassing 593 runs at an average of over 66.Vengsarkar was the statistical giant with the best record versus West Indies and with 3 centuries at Lords.However in term sof pure artistry Vishwanath was in another league whose batting defined a new dimension in the game.Vishy could produce strokes that were surreal like his late cut of yorkers and combined hook-pull-flick shot.Significant that India never lost a tset when Vishy scored a hundred and he averaged 6 run smore than Gavaskar in matches won.On bad or bouncy wickets Vishy would outscore Sunny ,which is aslo the opinion of Dennis Lillee and Andy Roberts.To me Vishy was the best match-winner if you see his record.

Vishy fell out on consistency but on his day was in the league of a Viv or Chappell.Amarnath was another version of an Ian Chappell or Javed Miandad at his best.,the ultimate epitome of determination.Vengsarkar resembled Greg Chapell but was not at his best on the offside.

And what about Azharuddin?
 
Nevermind, OP is always interesting. I agree with your points and that is exactly what I learnt about these players as per my reading of them.

Very good players, would have ranked them as Indian greats if they averaged around 45.

I'm not sure a 45 average can be applied that rigorously to disqualify the trio.

Some approximate contemporaries of theirs (a minimum 30 Tests):

Tony Greig: 40.43
Graham Gooch: 42.58
David Gower: 44.25
Desmond Haynes: 42.30
Even Kallicharan and Greenidge were sub 45
Graham Yallop: 41.13
A generation later David Boon was 43.66

I believe many of the above would qualify as greats for their country.

Vishy and Vengsarkar are for sure Indian batting greats, Amarnath for those of us who respect him for the reasons I outlined.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION], your take on this?

Vishy was outstanding middle order for 70s, a border line ATG, whose stats would never tell how good and elegant batsman he was. Two things went against him - 1. he never cashed on easy money like his bro in law did, hence his average stuck at early 40s & 2. His conversion rate was extremely poor for a batsman of his calibre - only 12 tons in ~91 Tests and one double. But, he had some of the most crucial 75+ in Indian Test history and he raised his game under pressure. Playing for a weak Indian side for his entire career, he never lost a Test when passed 100 & that 114 @ MCG will be regarded as one of the greatest innings played by an Indian in Australia. As a Test batsman, I rate Vishy slightly above Zaheer because of his back-foot play; both were outstanding spin players, supreme stylish but GR Vishy was better against raw pace & bounce - in ODI, absolutely no comparison though, Z was in different cloud, several level above. Along with Atherton, Kim Hughes & Majid Khan, Vishy was another one who was far better player than his stats. He won’t make the starting XI of 1970s Test team, but I’ll take him in 15 men squad.

Dulip Vengsarkar was a typical Bombay batsman - methodical, doing correct things often and hungry to be in middle. He wasn’t the talented batsman like GR Vishy, but he put value to his wicket and made his starts count. For 2-3 years in mid 1980s, he was indeed among top 2-3 batsmen of world and Marshall rated him as his most priced wicket for some times, but I don’t think DV was a better player than say Salim Malik. I saw him on his last leg - still compact, methodical but just not the batsman you could expect greatness, he would find a way to get out. He was made Captain after Kapil, probably at a wrong time to lead an weak Indian team which cost his batting big time, still he has left enough legacy to make Indian second XI.

Jimmy Amarnath is probably the freakiest batsmen in history - for a period of two years, between 1982-83, what he did itself was probably enough for a borderline ATG status, and he would have done great had he retired after 1983 WC to preserve his legacy - it was down slide all through there after, which saw him being dropped against same WIN team 18 months later after scoring 1 run in SIX innings, at home; then he wasn’t even called against PAK, a team against whom, 2 years back he almost alone protected 5/6-0 sweep, fighting a lone battle against a rampant Imran. Overall, Amarnath was a fantastic utility player, but I don’t think he will be remembered long for his Test heroics, rather for the MoM of 1983 Final. His achievements in 1982-83 winter (& spring) season is probably very similar to Wasim Raza or Peter Willy against Lloyd’s team. Jimmy was our first professional coach, at his peak, a die hard fighter, but I won’t put him among great batsmen - I would rather say, he was a bit lucky that at his peak couple of years, he had lots of games to play, including a WC and to his credit, he made absolute use of that.
 
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At his peak, in 1982-83, Mohinder Amarnath was the greatest Test batsman since Bradman.

India played two consecutive away series against rampaging Pakistan and West Indies teams.

In the first series, Amarnath scored 584 runs against Pakistan at 73.00, when Imran Khan was unstoppable.

In the next series he scored 598 runs against the West Indies at 66.44, and he alone tamed their pace attack.

It was a very brief peak, but a very high one!

A brief peak will be a blip...or just an inform batsman getting runs one season like Michael Vaughan...

I wont compare that to Bradman's 15+ years of consistency at close to 100 run average.
 
Zaheer abbas has pretty similar stats and he is amongst pakistans greatest batsman.
So obviously these guys were special players, not atgs but indian greats for sure.

Zaheer khan is behind Miandad, Yousuf, Younis, Inzamam, Hanif Mohammad...You can even consider Saeed Anwar and Misbah above him if you'd like.

He probably ranks 7-10 in all time great pak batsman...

He will move further down after Babar Azam finishes his career...

So I am not sure what the fuss is about.
 
Zaheer khan is behind Miandad, Yousuf, Younis, Inzamam, Hanif Mohammad...You can even consider Saeed Anwar and Misbah above him if you'd like.

He probably ranks 7-10 in all time great pak batsman...

He will move further down after Babar Azam finishes his career...

So I am not sure what the fuss is about.

Lol at comparing Zaheer Abbas to Misbah.

Abbas is without any doubt Pakistan's 5th best batsmen after MIYY and Anwar and Hanif are in same league. Misbah bhai is below them.
 
Vishy was outstanding middle order for 70s, a border line ATG, whose stats would never tell how good and elegant batsman he was. Two things went against him - 1. he never cashed on easy money like his bro in law did, hence his average stuck at early 40s & 2. His conversion rate was extremely poor for a batsman of his calibre - only 12 tons in ~91 Tests and one double. But, he had some of the most crucial 75+ in Indian Test history and he raised his game under pressure. Playing for a weak Indian side for his entire career, he never lost a Test when passed 100 & that 114 @ MCG will be regarded as one of the greatest innings played by an Indian in Australia. As a Test batsman, I rate Vishy slightly above Zaheer because of his back-foot play; both were outstanding spin players, supreme stylish but GR Vishy was better against raw pace & bounce - in ODI, absolutely no comparison though, Z was in different cloud, several level above. Along with Atherton, Kim Hughes & Majid Khan, Vishy was another one who was far better player than his stats. He won’t make the starting XI of 1970s Test team, but I’ll take him in 15 men squad.

Dulip Vengsarkar was a typical Bombay batsman - methodical, doing correct things often and hungry to be in middle. He wasn’t the talented batsman like GR Vishy, but he put value to his wicket and made his starts count. For 2-3 years in mid 1980s, he was indeed among top 2-3 batsmen of world and Marshall rated him as his most priced wicket for some times, but I don’t think DV was a better player than say Salim Malik. I saw him on his last leg - still compact, methodical but just not the batsman you could expect greatness, he would find a way to get out. He was made Captain after Kapil, probably at a wrong time to lead an weak Indian team which cost his batting big time, still he has left enough legacy to make Indian second XI.

Jimmy Amarnath is probably the freakiest batsmen in history - for a period of two years, between 1982-83, what he did itself was probably enough for a borderline ATG status, and he would have done great had he retired after 1983 WC to preserve his legacy - it was down slide all through there after, which saw him being dropped against same WIN team 18 months later after scoring 1 run in SIX innings, at home; then he wasn’t even called against PAK, a team against whom, 2 years back he almost alone protected 5/6-0 sweep, fighting a lone battle against a rampant Imran. Overall, Amarnath was a fantastic utility player, but I don’t think he will be remembered long for his Test heroics, rather for the MoM of 1983 Final. His achievements in 1982-83 winter (& spring) season is probably very similar to Wasim Raza or Peter Willy against Lloyd’s team. Jimmy was our first professional coach, at his peak, a die hard fighter, but I won’t put him among great batsmen - I would rather say, he was a bit lucky that at his peak couple of years, he had lots of games to play, including a WC and to his credit, he made absolute use of that.

Very good post.
Basically Vishy was like say, VVS Laxman of older era.

Vengsarkar, probably like Azhar??

Amarnath was different from others but he was magnificently valuable for India for that short stint when he was at peak of powers.
 
Lol at comparing Zaheer Abbas to Misbah.

Abbas is without any doubt Pakistan's 5th best batsmen after MIYY and Anwar and Hanif are in same league. Misbah bhai is below them.

Whether you like it or not, Misbah is/will be considered one of the all time greats based on these simple facts:

Tangible:
1) Averages more in test cricket vs Zaheer...go look it up. Zaheer averages more than misbah, but they had different roles - Misbah came at 3/30 for most of his career and played to save the team, Zaheer had a much better team.
2) Misbah has most wins as pakistani captain.

Intangibles:
1) Led a team suffering from no cricket at home, and fixers to # 1 ranking and restored its dignity.


Zaheer Abbas was a flat track bully - the Asian Bradman title is long surpassed by others.

Go LOL yourself.
 
Lol at comparing Zaheer Abbas to Misbah.

Abbas is without any doubt Pakistan's 5th best batsmen after MIYY and Anwar and Hanif are in same league. Misbah bhai is below them.

Miandad
Younis
Hanif Mohammad
Inzamam
Yousuf
Saeed Anwar
Misbah
Babar Azam* (will change after career is finished)
Zaheer

Hes at 7 at best...thank you for confirming
 
Whether you like it or not, Misbah is/will be considered one of the all time greats based on these simple facts:

Tangible:
1) Averages more in test cricket vs Zaheer...go look it up. Zaheer averages more than misbah, but they had different roles - Misbah came at 3/30 for most of his career and played to save the team, Zaheer had a much better team.
2) Misbah has most wins as pakistani captain.

Intangibles:
1) Led a team suffering from no cricket at home, and fixers to # 1 ranking and restored its dignity.


Zaheer Abbas was a flat track bully - the Asian Bradman title is long surpassed by others.

Go LOL yourself.

Very good points. I am myself a huge fan of Misbah and appreciate the services of Misbah to Pakistan cricket a lot.

However, I deny that 3/30 nonsense that you have put up. He was an above average batsmen and his batting stats are actually inflated by UAE bashing as his stats are poor outside UAE.

Batting down the order, he simply never have been a significant player for Pakistan, very similar to Azhar Ali.

This though doesnt change the fact that he was a great captain for Pakistan and led the team suffering from no cricket at home, and fixers to # 1 ranking and restored its dignity as you yourself said.

His legacy is far far bigger than the so called genius of Asif and Amir that gets hyped every second day in PP.
 
Very good points. I am myself a huge fan of Misbah and appreciate the services of Misbah to Pakistan cricket a lot.

However, I deny that 3/30 nonsense that you have put up. He was an above average batsmen and his batting stats are actually inflated by UAE bashing as his stats are poor outside UAE.

Batting down the order, he simply never have been a significant player for Pakistan, very similar to Azhar Ali.

This though doesnt change the fact that he was a great captain for Pakistan and led the team suffering from no cricket at home, and fixers to # 1 ranking and restored its dignity as you yourself said.

His legacy is far far bigger than the so called genius of Asif and Amir that gets hyped every second day in PP.

Misbah carried the team himself for a good 4-5 years.

Zaheer abbas never had to do that.

As I said, he averages more than zaheer abbas...if you are calling misbah a home track bully, so was zaheer.
 
Vishy was outstanding middle order for 70s, a border line ATG, whose stats would never tell how good and elegant batsman he was. Two things went against him - 1. he never cashed on easy money like his bro in law did, hence his average stuck at early 40s & 2. His conversion rate was extremely poor for a batsman of his calibre - only 12 tons in ~91 Tests and one double. But, he had some of the most crucial 75+ in Indian Test history and he raised his game under pressure. Playing for a weak Indian side for his entire career, he never lost a Test when passed 100 & that 114 @ MCG will be regarded as one of the greatest innings played by an Indian in Australia. As a Test batsman, I rate Vishy slightly above Zaheer because of his back-foot play; both were outstanding spin players, supreme stylish but GR Vishy was better against raw pace & bounce - in ODI, absolutely no comparison though, Z was in different cloud, several level above. Along with Atherton, Kim Hughes & Majid Khan, Vishy was another one who was far better player than his stats. He won’t make the starting XI of 1970s Test team, but I’ll take him in 15 men squad.

Dulip Vengsarkar was a typical Bombay batsman - methodical, doing correct things often and hungry to be in middle. He wasn’t the talented batsman like GR Vishy, but he put value to his wicket and made his starts count. For 2-3 years in mid 1980s, he was indeed among top 2-3 batsmen of world and Marshall rated him as his most priced wicket for some times, but I don’t think DV was a better player than say Salim Malik. I saw him on his last leg - still compact, methodical but just not the batsman you could expect greatness, he would find a way to get out. He was made Captain after Kapil, probably at a wrong time to lead an weak Indian team which cost his batting big time, still he has left enough legacy to make Indian second XI.

Jimmy Amarnath is probably the freakiest batsmen in history - for a period of two years, between 1982-83, what he did itself was probably enough for a borderline ATG status, and he would have done great had he retired after 1983 WC to preserve his legacy - it was down slide all through there after, which saw him being dropped against same WIN team 18 months later after scoring 1 run in SIX innings, at home; then he wasn’t even called against PAK, a team against whom, 2 years back he almost alone protected 5/6-0 sweep, fighting a lone battle against a rampant Imran. Overall, Amarnath was a fantastic utility player, but I don’t think he will be remembered long for his Test heroics, rather for the MoM of 1983 Final. His achievements in 1982-83 winter (& spring) season is probably very similar to Wasim Raza or Peter Willy against Lloyd’s team. Jimmy was our first professional coach, at his peak, a die hard fighter, but I won’t put him among great batsmen - I would rather say, he was a bit lucky that at his peak couple of years, he had lots of games to play, including a WC and to his credit, he made absolute use of that.

Simply great writing.Most analytical in terms of justice,especially to Vishy.
 
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