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"I am someone who can win a match with either the bat or the ball" : Imad Wasim

GoUgandaCranes said:
The Imad Hype train seems to be losing passengers thick and fast.

I admit, I was thinking with his temperament he will be the real deal but really disappointed in him so far.

Hopefully, he has a corner to turn around otherwise we are sitting ducks in the Asia cup and World T20
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Look who is jumping off the hype train. Well not so much hype, let's give him a chance train.

With a consistent run, we see what people are made of. And what is being confirmed is that Imad is not a good enough cricketer even for 1st class let alone international. These are what KP calls, muppet county cricketers.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Look who is jumping off the hype train. Well not so much hype, let's give him a chance train.

With a consistent run, we see what people are made of. And what is being confirmed is that Imad is not a good enough cricketer even for 1st class let alone international. These are what KP calls, muppet county cricketers.
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I'm not jumping off yet.

I like him. A good prospect we have.
 
Is it just me or is he really looking frustrated and angry all the time?????
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
The Imad Hype train seems to be losing passengers thick and fast.

I admit, I was thinking with his temperament he will be the real deal but really disappointed in him so far.

Hopefully, he has a corner to turn around otherwise we are sitting ducks in the Asia cup and World T20
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It's disappointing.

While I never really rated his bowling and was puzzled by his initial success with the ball, I did have high hopes from his batting and to me he came across as a solid compact batsman. Seems to have lost his mojo in both departments.
 
Hope u start showing it soon bowling is predictable and hasn't had enough time in his innings to show us what he can do with the bat
 
Nothing cricketer who became a champion (and future captain) on PP after a couple of good games against Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Good innings today after some immense struggles at the start.
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Agree.

I was angry at him during the start but he made up for it by staying till the end.

Hope his and Sarfraz's knock counts for something by us winning his match.
 
I don't understand what people find wrong with his bowling. He has excellent stats and has bowled very well every time I have watched him bowl.

His batting is also pretty good. This guy should be batting at #7 in ODIs.
 
Bilal7 said:
I don't understand what people find wrong with his bowling. He has excellent stats and has bowled very well every time I have watched him bowl.

His batting is also pretty good. This guy should be batting at #7 in ODIs.
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They won't be Pakistani fans if they don't nitpick every little thing
 
Bowled very well today and even got one to turn. If he could manage a few more genuine left arm spin deliveries to mix in with the arm bowl he'd be a real handful. He's a good bat, that's for sure.
 
Bowled His 4th over today to Buttler and Morgan and they were not willing to take risk against Imad.

"Buttler and Morgan".

When was the last time Buttler was happy to see off a bowler ?
 
Bilal7 said:
I don't understand what people find wrong with his bowling. He has excellent stats and has bowled very well every time I have watched him bowl.

His batting is also pretty good. This guy should be batting at #7 in ODIs.
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I haven't seen anyone like him. He has been the most consistent Pakistani cricketer with both bat and ball.
 
He is a smart cricketer all-around. Of course Pakistani fans don't like him.
 
I'm a big fan of Imad. He was tremendous in the CPL. Could be an excellent player if he works on his batting.
 
Mamoon said:
Nothing cricketer who became a champion (and future captain) on PP after a couple of good games against Sri Lanka and Zimbabwe.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Bhai, please stop predicitng :)
 
Swagger but performance with it.

Some have swagger and nothing to back it up, but so far this lad has performed. I just hope he keeps his feet on the ground and continues to perform.
 
Saj said:
Swagger but performance with it.

Some have swagger and nothing to back it up, but so far this lad has performed. I just hope he keeps his feet on the ground and continues to perform.
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yes finally someone from the swagger party who performs
rest only know how to tweet :ahmed
 
Saj said:
Swagger but performance with it.

Some have swagger and nothing to back it up, but so far this lad has performed. I just hope he keeps his feet on the ground and continues to perform.
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What do you mean swagger? :( (kinda unsure!)
 
Future captain not contributing much these days with either bat or bowl.
 
The guy doesnt have batting ability - He can hoick a shot or two on good pitches but not the boy wonder striker he is presented as on PP.

and PPers criticize Malik & Sarfraz for their lack of hitting ability.
 
hee knows Shadab is breathing down his neck, will be on the back of his mind to make he doesnt get a chance to bat
 
Imad Wasim v Shadab Khan in terms of batting

y is shadab khan being demoted below imad... imad is a "Tulla" and phateechar as a batsmen and sarfraz still not trying shadab... shows how rigid and lack of innovation in sarfraz... sad times...
 
Well they need a reason to keep imad in the side , the same way they need a reason for professor
 
It's not even worth comparing them.

Shadab is miles ahead as a bowler and a batsman. Anyone seemingly denying it has no eye for talent.
 
A better innings than Babar's, that is all I can say about his batting today.
 
I am ok with giving a longer rope to younger guys. Good job.
 
Pretty good innings today. Another score as a finisher and another clutch one too.
 
really good innings by Imad, but I still think he'll be much more useful in the middle order
 
The problem with Imad is, he doesn't strike as someone who's good enough to bat @6 but he's not poor enough to be dropped....
 
Citizen4 said:
really good innings by Imad, but I still think he'll be much more useful in the middle order
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I think he would be a good option at #6.

Then we can get in a fast-bowling all-rounder at 7.

This will kick Hafeez out too.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar took 123 deliveries to play for the team, and it cost us about 20-25 runs, so yes I am serious.
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Are you aware that we were 128/4 in 29 overs with no specialist batsmen to come? Take out his innings and we're 170 all out.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar took 123 deliveries to play for the team, and it cost us about 20-25 runs, so yes I am serious.
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Well if you break it down that way even Imad turned his strike rate around only in his last 5 deliveries. For the first 30 he was underperforming for a batsmen who was batting in the last 10 overs.
 
Imad's at his best when he's looking to time the ball. He's been trying to muscle the ball too much of late. Also not the type that will give instant offense, he needs a few overs to get his eye in. He can provide 70 off 50 type of cameos but for that he has to bat up the order and be given a long run to get accustomed to his role.

Hafeez is a real problem in this lineup.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Imad's at his best when he's looking to time the ball. He's been trying to muscle the ball too much of late. Also not the type that will give instant offense, he needs a few overs to get his eye in. He can provide 70 off 50 type of cameos but for that he has to bat up the order and be given a long run to get accustomed to his role.

Hafeez is a real problem in this lineup.
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He can't bat higher than Sarfraz & Malik. They should be our number 4 and 5.
 
nouman said:
Are you aware that we were 128/4 in 29 overs with no specialist batsmen to come? Take out his innings and we're 170 all out.
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I watched every ball so I think I am aware. Same narrative was used for years to defend the Misbah approach, and how many matches did we win? If this is the way ODI cricket is to be played, why don't other teams do it? I will rephrase: Pakistan will not beat the top teams with this approach no matter how many runs Babar scores, and we saw that against Australia and we will see that in the CT.
 
cricketInsight said:
Well if you break it down that way even Imad turned his strike rate around only in his last 5 deliveries. For the first 30 he was underperforming for a batsmen who was batting in the last 10 overs.
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Which is why Imad's innings wasn't great either, but relatively better than Babar's. Two types of people on this forum at the moment: those who watched the whole innings, and those who enjoyed their Sunday and checked their ending strike rates, which tells less than half of the story.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Imad's at his best when he's looking to time the ball. He's been trying to muscle the ball too much of late. Also not the type that will give instant offense, he needs a few overs to get his eye in. He can provide 70 off 50 type of cameos but for that he has to bat up the order and be given a long run to get accustomed to his role.

Hafeez is a real problem in this lineup.
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After looking at how Pakistan's top order is struggling you can't call 50 balls 70 runs a cameo. It will be match winning inning.
 
Mamoon said:
I watched every ball so I think I am aware. Same narrative was used for years to defend the Misbah approach, and how many matches did we win? If this is the way ODI cricket is to be played, why don't other teams do it? I will rephrase: Pakistan will not beat the top teams with this approach no matter how many runs Babar scores, and we saw that against Australia and we will see that in the CT.
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Light years of difference between babar and Misbah. Misbah was struggling to strike at even 70 in the 2011-2015 period. In fact, no pakistani batsman bats faster than Babar except sharjeel and he's not available. There are only a handful of batsmen who bat as fast or faster and maintain a high average - AB/Kohli/Quinton/Warner etc. Babar's SR of 90 is perfectly fine. It's the other batsmen who need to step up their game big time.
 
Super knock today.

Clean hitting after a slowish start.

This guy can clear the boundary without any problem at all.
 
Mamoon said:
I watched every ball so I think I am aware. Same narrative was used for years to defend the Misbah approach, and how many matches did we win? If this is the way ODI cricket is to be played, why don't other teams do it? I will rephrase: Pakistan will not beat the top teams with this approach no matter how many runs Babar scores, and we saw that against Australia and we will see that in the CT.
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We don't have the batsmen to consistently beat the top teams in ODIs. The fact is that Shehzad, Akmals, Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Babar Azam are the top 7 batsmen in the country. The PSL showed that too. There is no bench strength. The best we can do is have someone bat through the innings, at whatever pace, and get scrape us past 250 and we can win a game or two every now and then. Babar does the job perfectly. If everyone else scores 30 (30) and a few death over runs, we can get to 300.

All of Babar's 100+ scores and all but two of his 50+ scores are at a strike rate of 90+. In the two exceptions, he scored 62(76) - team score 210 all out chasing 281 vs NZ and 84(100) vs Aus - team score 263/7 in 50 overs (Pak were 162/4 in 30 overs, SM 39(41), UA 39(51)). Clearly he is not the lone hand in slowing the team down. Moreover, in lost matches, he still averages 39 at a SR of 85.

Maybe Babar is not the guy that will get us to 350+ but the other 5 batsmen in the team aren't either. If Babar plays like we should be getting 350, we'll get the odd 300 but more often than not we'll be done at 220.

Given the circumstances, this the best thing he can do - he might not be good enough for Aus/Ind/Eng/SA or modern ODI cricket but he is the best we have.
 
Nerds to still work on his batting. Seems as though he takes time to get going.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Light years of difference between babar and Misbah. Misbah was struggling to strike at even 70 in the 2011-2015 period. In fact, no pakistani batsman bats faster than Babar except sharjeel and he's not available. There are only a handful of batsmen who bat as fast or faster and maintain a high average - AB/Kohli/Quinton/Warner etc. Babar's SR of 90 is perfectly fine. It's the other batsmen who need to step up their game big time.
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Not comparing the two. Babar is a much better ODI batsman than Misbah, but the point I am trying to make is that our talent for putting the innings to a complete halt in the middle overs will cost us against the big team. Secondly, pacing the innings is different from your final strike rate. If you are striking in the 70's for the bulk of your innings, you are not doing a great job, irrespective of what your ending strike rate is, because a) you are not building any momentum in the middle overs b) forcing your partners to make up for your sluggishness c) allowing the opposition to bowl with part-timers thus, saving the main bowlers for the later overs.
 
nouman said:
We don't have the batsmen to consistently beat the top teams in ODIs. The fact is that Shehzad, Akmals, Hafeez, Shoaib Malik, Babar Azam are the top 7 batsmen in the country. The PSL showed that too. There is no bench strength. The best we can do is have someone bat through the innings, at whatever pace, and get scrape us past 250 and we can win a game or two every now and then. Babar does the job perfectly. If everyone else scores 30 (30) and a few death over runs, we can get to 300.

All of Babar's 100+ scores and all but two of his 50+ scores are at a strike rate of 90+. In the two exceptions, he scored 62(76) - team score 210 all out chasing 281 vs NZ and 84(100) vs Aus - team score 263/7 in 50 overs (Pak were 162/4 in 30 overs, SM 39(41), UA 39(51)). Clearly he is not the lone hand in slowing the team down. Moreover, in lost matches, he still averages 39 at a SR of 85.

Maybe Babar is not the guy that will get us to 350+ but the other 5 batsmen in the team aren't either. If Babar plays like we should be getting 350, we'll get the odd 300 but more often than not we'll be done at 220.

Given the circumstances, this the best thing he can do - he might not be good enough for Aus/Ind/Eng/SA or modern ODI cricket but he is the best we have.
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I agree with everything you said, but I have a bit of a problem with the way he approached the innings today. Absolutely no intention of changing the tempo until he got his hundred, after which he immediately started to deposit the ball into the stands. The acceleration should have come 4-5 overs earlier, when he already had around 100 deliveries under his belt and was settled at the crease, and it could have helped us to 300. Yes we are playing against a poor team and these things don't cost us, but cricket is a game of fine margins, and this approach will prove to be costly against the big teams.
 
A better batsman than bowler.
Have rescued Islamabad many times with his batting here at Diamond cricket ground Islamabad where batting is difficult.

But not someone who can start hitting from ball 1. Takes time and than can start striking.
 
Mamoon said:
I agree with everything you said, but I have a bit of a problem with the way he approached the innings today. Absolutely no intention of changing the tempo until he got his hundred, after which he immediately started to deposit the ball into the stands. The acceleration should have come 4-5 overs earlier, when he already had around 100 deliveries under his belt and was settled at the crease, and it could have helped us to 300. Yes we are playing against a poor team and these things don't cost us, but cricket is a game of fine margins, and this approach will prove to be costly against the big teams.
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You are right , that acceleration should have come 2-3 overs earlier. Babar is amazing but needs to continue to improve. But considering the fact that the pitch today was not that good for batting he did a very good job.
 
waqar goraya said:
You are right , that acceleration should have come 2-3 overs earlier. Babar is amazing but needs to continue to improve. But considering the fact that the pitch today was not that good for batting he did a very good job.
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He is simply a class above the rest of the batsmen in the team. On course to breaking almost every ODI batting record for Pakistan. He could actually overtake Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 tons before he enters his peak years, i.e. around 30.
 
He's a better batsman than a late order slogger at number 7. However that is currently the requirement for the team, and given the prowess he has shown for hitting sixes (compared to almost no alternatives) he will continue to populate that role. Kudos to him for not complaining or playing selfishly to protect his wicket when runs are required.

I expect some of his best innings however to come when Pakistan have collapsed and he has time to bat responsibly.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Good day for [MENTION=137148]Rayyman[/MENTION].:wahab2
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Played well. I want to see if Imad can come in with 4-5 overs remaining and score a quickfire 20-30 runs. This team needs somebody to fulfill that role and hopefully he can do that.
 
phoenix363 said:
He's a better batsman than a late order slogger at number 7. However that is currently the requirement for the team, and given the prowess he has shown for hitting sixes (compared to almost no alternatives) he will continue to populate that role. Kudos to him for not complaining or playing selfishly to protect his wicket when runs are required.

I expect some of his best innings however to come when Pakistan have collapsed and he has time to bat responsibly.
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He did just that against England last summer.
 
Mamoon said:
He is simply a class above the rest of the batsmen in the team. On course to breaking almost every ODI batting record for Pakistan. He could actually overtake Saeed Anwar's tally of 20 tons before he enters his peak years, i.e. around 30.
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I think he has changed his batting approach since the English tour he has reduced the flair stroke play to cut down the casual dismissals in his initial days he was a culprit of pretty 30's and 40's. Eventually he will find the balance between Flair and being careful as he plays more also as someone mentioned here he is a bit limited vs spin hence he can get stuck in middle overs need to develop a sweep or another go to shot vs spin. He will never be an elite test bat unless he has more scoring options against spin as more then 60-70 percent of his test career will be on spin friendly tracks.
 
He is being found out as a bowler. Wicketless in the last two games. Needs to develop a ball that spins, even a little. He will be a different proposition of he does that
 
Xoib said:
I think he has changed his batting approach since the English tour he has reduced the flair stroke play to cut down the casual dismissals in his initial days he was a culprit of pretty 30's and 40's. Eventually he will find the balance between Flair and being careful as he plays more also as someone mentioned here he is a bit limited vs spin hence he can get stuck in middle overs need to develop a sweep or another go to shot vs spin. He will never be an elite test bat unless he has more scoring options against spin as more then 60-70 percent of his test career will be on spin friendly tracks.
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He is quick learner unlike his cousins. He doesn't have a good front-foot stride which makes him prone to getting bowled/lbw to incoming deliveries. It happened in England when he drove on the up, but it is good that he has put that aside for now. One has to appreciate his hunger for runs, as long as it doesn't compromise the interests of the team. Technically, he will get there with time. He is already the second best technically among the emerging batsman from Asia. His balance is wonderful.

As far as his ability to play spin is concerned, I don't think the sweep shot is necessary. There are quite a few batsman who were prolific in Asia but weren't natural sweepers. However, he needs to improve his ability to pick it from the bowler's hand. He reads spin off the pitch which means it is difficult for him to use his feet and he gets bogged down. Yesterday, his strike rate went from nearly 90 to early 70s once the spinners tied him down.
 
Mamoon said:
He is quick learner unlike his cousins. He doesn't have a good front-foot stride which makes him prone to getting bowled/lbw to incoming deliveries. It happened in England when he drove on the up, but it is good that he has put that aside for now. One has to appreciate his hunger for runs, as long as it doesn't compromise the interests of the team. Technically, he will get there with time. He is already the second best technically among the emerging batsman from Asia. His balance is wonderful.

As far as his ability to play spin is concerned, I don't think the sweep shot is necessary. There are quite a few batsman who were prolific in Asia but weren't natural sweepers. However, he needs to improve his ability to pick it from the bowler's hand. He reads spin off the pitch which means it is difficult for him to use his feet and he gets bogged down. Yesterday, his strike rate went from nearly 90 to early 70s once the spinners tied him down.
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I believe like Kohli he needs to hit the gym Kohli OD game went up a level or even three when he started weight training not only will it help his power hitting but also allow him to hit the ball more forcefully to the deep fielders against spin where he has to create his own pace at the moment he is too scrawny and really needs to bludgeon the ball vs spinners to create forceful stroke play.

I just wish Pakistan can hire Sanga or Mahela as batting coach instead of Grant Flower this will really accelerate development of upcoming batsmen like Babar and others.
 
Mamoon said:
Not comparing the two. Babar is a much better ODI batsman than Misbah, but the point I am trying to make is that our talent for putting the innings to a complete halt in the middle overs will cost us against the big team. Secondly, pacing the innings is different from your final strike rate. If you are striking in the 70's for the bulk of your innings, you are not doing a great job, irrespective of what your ending strike rate is, because a) you are not building any momentum in the middle overs b) forcing your partners to make up for your sluggishness c) allowing the opposition to bowl with part-timers thus, saving the main bowlers for the later overs.
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i agree somewhat but babar actually has the penchant for big scores unlike anyone else in your lineup so he can afford to potter around as long as he is making those big scores consistently at his current strike rate. The problem is when the likes of Shehzad and akmal are not scoring rapidly enough in the first 10. Pakistan are the slowest team in the first 10 overs and this is what is killing their momentum. The openers need to score quicker so that babar and the middle order can set up a big total. The loss of Sharjeel is massive in this regard and Pakistan need to look at fast scoring openers and good late order hitters. Babar can't be anchor and score at a rapid clip. Like i said there are very few who can do that and he's not experienced enough.
 
Imad is turning the ball today, got a wicket on a ball that turned sharply, and disturbed the other batsmen too.
Looking much better today. If he manages to keep this up, he'll bag a lot of wickets
 
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Imad is going to be especially important in the Champions trophy. Not only has he performed exceedingly well in the UK but also his bowling will be vital given most sides will not have played him as much before.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Imad is going to be especially important in the Champions trophy. Not only has he performed exceedingly well in the UK but also his bowling will be vital given most sides will not have played him as much before.
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Yea he will play role of fourth pacer over there.
 
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