"I don't drink and still enjoy myself as much as anyone else, just without the hangover" : Moeen Ali

[MenInG]

"I don't drink and still enjoy myself as much as anyone else, just without the hangover" : Moeen Ali

Moeen Ali admits England's "off-field behaviour needs to improve" as they risk alienating younger generations of cricket fans.
Ben Duckett has been provisionally suspended by the ECB after reportedly pouring a drink over James Anderson on Thursday night in Perth, at the same bar where Jonny Bairstow delivered a "headbutt" to Australia opener Cameron Bancroft at the start of the tour.

Ben Stokes is also awaiting news on whether he will be charged following his arrest on suspicion of causing actual bodily harm following an episode outside a Bristol nightclub in September.

Stokes has been named in the ODI squad to face Australia in January, but the ECB says his participation "remains subject to any relevant legal or disciplinary developments."

England head coach Trevor Bayliss has confirmed that Ben Duckett has been provisionally suspended after an incident in a Perth bar
"We all know the off-field behaviour needs to improve," said Ali after captaining England in a two-day warm-up match in Perth, a game Duckett was due to play in. "We're all grown men and should know how to behave.

"We want cricket to grow for kids, and for families to come and watch - through county cricket all the way up to international cricket, the individual needs to be responsible for his behaviour.

"I think it's really important we inspire the younger generation to take up the game. It could turn them away and that's not what we want.

"It's not always easy - the guys are on tour for a long time and feel like they want to go out but we have to behave ourselves. Obviously it's a shame these things happen, maybe the culture needs to change now."

Australia head coach Darren Lehmann says England's latest late-night incident is no laughing matter

Asked if the message is getting through, Moeen, who does not drink as part of his Muslim faith, said: "Yes, slowly but surely. As cricketers and professionals, the scrutiny that is on us, we have to be careful.

"It's not as bad as people make out, but these days people make small things into big things.

"We have team gatherings, and I don't drink and I still enjoy myself as much as anyone else - just without the hangover the next day,"

www.skysports.com/cricket/news/1212...ays-englands-off-field-behaviour-must-improve

 

[MenInG]

"We have team gatherings, and I don't drink and I still enjoy myself as much as anyone else - just without the hangover the next day,"

Way to go Moeen!

 

[pakistani pride]

There is nothing wrong in drinking but be man enough to behave like an adult not like a 16 year old schoolboy.

 

[finalfantasy7]

What I find funny is in the sport industry they keep talking about diet control - yet us Asians in uk society is deemed as unhealthy if we eat our cuisine.

But the English diet can be equally as bad, however thr negligence over alcohol is amazing

 

[Bewal Express]

Ben Stokes getting into the paper is the best thing to happen to English in a long time. More fights and publicity is good for cricket, as otherwise nobody has any idea who any of these guys are.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Some of these lot that drink need to avoid drinking more than they need to or they should just have an even bigger meal before drinking, some of the stuff that happens like the Stokes incident is unacceptable for a sportsman.

 

[HitWicket]

What I find funny is in the sport industry they keep talking about diet control - yet us Asians in uk society is deemed as unhealthy if we eat our cuisine.

But the English diet can be equally as bad, however thr negligence over alcohol is amazing

In terms of your health relevant to sports a pint of beer isn't going to have much different an effect to a pint of coca cola.

 

[aloo paratha]

Don't understand how teams let their players go out for a drink mid tour anyways, alcohol s bad for you, especially if you're a sportsman.

 

[Saj]

Definitely get a sense that Moeen is annoyed at the immaturity of some of his team mates.

 

[ExpressPacer]

A very mature and humble individual.

 

[ManFan]

Do what Punter did. Accept responsibility and move on to your cricket.

 

[CricFan2012]

Drinking is overrated anyways, just all peer pressure, these guys need to grow up

 

[leatherface58]

Lol is he throwing shade at his teammates? Nice!

 

[Rana]

Really want Moeen to lead England one day. Stokes clearly isnt leadership material. Broad and Anderson are on their last legs. No other player seems to have cemented his spot besides Root, who may well be sacked as captain if the results do not swing his way soon

 

[Abdullah719]

The English should learn from Warner.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2017/11/03/david-warner-stuff-life-inexcusable/

 

[the Great Khan]

how dare he impose his shariah inspired views on the wholesome natives!!!

 

[waleed88]

In terms of your health relevant to sports a pint of beer isn't going to have much different an effect to a pint of coca cola.

Yes the issue though is, whoever settled for one?

Therapies would've closed down by now had people just been satisfied by one.

 

[Rana]

I can't imagine an England that does not drink. Just imagine, what would England and English people be like if they did not drink at all? It's so hard to imagine, but the thought is so open to interpretation

 

[ZyzzBrah]

As a British Pakistani and ex Muslim
Now turned Jew. I can confirm alcohol is no where near as bad as Asian dishes. Alcohol without mixers is <5 calories per shot. Also these players are very imature and need to learn to conduct themselves when under the influence or stop drinking. Hopefully Ali does not become captain and start putting out dated religious rulings on the team loke waqar did as coach of Pakistan.

 

[kingusama92]

It's easy to blame alcohol but the Australians have an arguably stronger drinking culture yet their team isn't falling apart.

This is more about the individuals and their stupidity.

Alcohol seems like an easy cop out for their behavior.

 

[www787]

As a British Pakistani and ex Muslim
Now turned Jew. I can confirm alcohol is no where near as bad as Asian dishes. Alcohol without mixers is <5 calories per shot. Also these players are very imature and need to learn to conduct themselves when under the influence or stop drinking. Hopefully Ali does not become captain and start putting out dated religious rulings on the team loke waqar did as coach of Pakistan.

That one shot must be really potent for some to type this load of whatever it is.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

As a British Pakistani and ex Muslim
Now turned Jew. I can confirm alcohol is no where near as bad as Asian dishes. Alcohol without mixers is <5 calories per shot. Also these players are very imature and need to learn to conduct themselves when under the influence or stop drinking. Hopefully Ali does not become captain and start putting out dated religious rulings on the team loke waqar did as coach of Pakistan.

Its never about calories about alcohol. It's the toxicity. It messes with your liver, conscience and has addictive potential.

 

[fawad_wellwisher]

Alcohol has ruined countless lives at the expense of temporary enjoyment. Good on Moeen Ali to promote a culture of teetotalism and act as a good role model for youth who are on the fence regarding this issue.

 

[giri26]

I don't drink either and I feel drinking has nothing to do with having fun. I have nothing against people drinking though as it is their choice.

 

[Abdul]

Congratulations.

 

[Bilal7]

Good comments from Moeen. He probably makes up 50% of the English team's likeability. Stokes, Duckett, Bairstow and Hales need to ensure they don't let these controversies derail their promising careers.

 

[Aman]

Moe is one of the few likable English cricketers.

 

[Tusker]

"I don't drink and still enjoy myself as much as anyone else, just without the hangover" : Moeen Ali

There is a logical flaw in this stmt ... Moeen can never possibly understand how much enjoyment can be had over a long drinking session with buddies without breaking any laws or causing harm. You just don't. So therefore he has no basis to claim equal enjoyment without getting high.

 

[ManFan]

There is a logical flaw in this stmt ... Moeen can never possibly understand how much enjoyment can be had over a long drinking session with buddies without breaking any laws or causing harm. You just don't. So therefore he has no basis to claim equal enjoyment without getting high.

He’s enjoys himself without drinking. End of story.

 

[classic]

There is a logical flaw in this stmt ... Moeen can never possibly understand how much enjoyment can be had over a long drinking session with buddies without breaking any laws or causing harm. You just don't. So therefore he has no basis to claim equal enjoyment without getting high.

At least he can remember to tell the story the next day.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Definitely get a sense that Moeen is annoyed at the immaturity of some of his team mates.

Should be more annoyed at immaturity of bosses.

Duckett basically poured a drink on his teammates head. It IS trivial, which even the coaches have conceded still he's being punished heavily.

Bairstow did nothing at all but is being called immature because Aussie media made a huge fuss about it.

As for Moeen and drinking, it's very easy for people to criticize things they have no intention of doing.

Can you imagine Stokes saying 'I don't pray, but still I am a very peaceful person".

Sure, nothing wrong with not drinking, or not praying, but people have different lifestyles and we need to accept that instead of attacking the lifestyles of people who are different.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

Drinking is overrated anyways, just all peer pressure, these guys need to grow up

No it isn't.

I enjoy a drink (as do the vast majority of my social circle) and no one's pressurized me to do it.

If you don't like drinking that's fine, but need to stop imposing preferences onto others.

 

[Madplayer]

There is a logical flaw in this stmt ... Moeen can never possibly understand how much enjoyment can be had over a long drinking session with buddies without breaking any laws or causing harm. You just don't. So therefore he has no basis to claim equal enjoyment without getting high.

There is a logical flaw in your statement as well. You dont know what Moeen considers enjoyment and what he doesn't consider enjoyment. Some people consider moutain climbing as enjoyment, while others just think its not an enjoyable experience with or without trying it. If the very thought of something puts you off (alcohol in Moeen's case), it is obviously not something you would enjoy trying.

 

[MenInG]

Definitely get a sense that Moeen is annoyed at the immaturity of some of his team mates.

Thats all there is - merits (or not) of alcohol are not what he is discussing.

 

[khurram39]

Moeen a proud Muslim.

 

[finalfantasy7]

And you think they just have a pint? Constantly eat things like sausage bacon, ham rolls with it

 

[CricFan2012]

No it isn't.

I enjoy a drink (as do the vast majority of my social circle) and no one's pressurized me to do it.

If you don't like drinking that's fine, but need to stop imposing preferences onto others.

People get into drinking because watching their friends do it, others around them do it, my peer pressure term was incorrectly used.

I can care less whether it's haraam, just that there's no inherent benefits to drinking, especially the way these English players do it, they go overboard.

 

[Tusker]

There is a logical flaw in your statement as well. You dont know what Moeen considers enjoyment and what he doesn't consider enjoyment.

Whatever that might be ... everyone would be able to try it out and check for themselves. There is a reason why Alcohol isnt a banned substance in most countries.

 

[Abdullah719]

Whatever that might be ... everyone would be able to try it out and check for themselves. There is a reason why Alcohol isnt a banned substance in most countries.

In most countries, cigarettes aren't banned either.

 

[Tusker]

In most countries, cigarettes aren't banned either.

True but it is nowhere as close to Alcohol when it comes to giving a buzz ... that anyone can figure out without smoking

 

[Bilal7]

No it isn't.

I enjoy a drink (as do the vast majority of my social circle) and no one's pressurized me to do it.

If you don't like drinking that's fine, but need to stop imposing preferences onto others.

The English players definitely need to stay away from bars and alcohol until this Ashes is over, given what has happened.

Moeen is not "attacking" his teammates like some are dramatically putting it. He was asked a question and responded by sharing his own opinion on the subject.

 

[Syed1]

Bhai inkay liyay ikhees toppon ki salami honi chahye

 

[Bilal7]

True but it is nowhere as close to Alcohol when it comes to giving a buzz ... that anyone can figure out without smoking

Many people don't need the "buzz" from alcohol to have a good time. Might as well start doing drugs is the "buzz" is all you're looking for from alcohol.

 

[Tusker]

Many people don't need the "buzz" from alcohol to have a good time.

This is like saying I know the feeling of riding a bike without actually having to do it. Or Kissing a girl without having to do it ... I could keep going with the analogies but I think you can use your imagination. Get it ?

There is no equal substitute available .... if you think otherwise please let us all know.

 

[CricketAnalyst]

The English players definitely need to stay away from bars and alcohol until this Ashes is over, given what has happened.

Moeen is not "attacking" his teammates like some are dramatically putting it. He was asked a question and responded by sharing his own opinion on the subject.

What has happened? Bairstow did nothing at all. Duckett poured a drink over his team-mate which is hardly drunkenness.

Aussie media will make mountains out of molehills and punishing your players will make morale worse and lead to worse results.

 

[Varun]

Moeen doesn't drink but it's not a decision he's made out of choice - just to point it out.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Alcohol is a poision but makes it easier to unwind when used moderately. Life is short, its ok to have a bit of fun.

 

[Amirforpresident]

Moeen doesn't drink but it's not a decision he's made out of choice - just to point it out.

So who exactly forced him?

 

[Amirforpresident]

DAMN some people really feel personally offended because Ali said something about Beer/Alcohol.

 

[JattMaula]

Why is he criticizing his teammates in public?

 

[Oneking]

Moeen let me make something clear, having fun while drunk and having fun while sober is 2 complelty different things, Moeen is Dd

 

[shaz619]

This is like saying I know the feeling of riding a bike without actually having to do it. Or Kissing a girl without having to do it ... I could keep going with the analogies but I think you can use your imagination. Get it ?

There is no equal substitute available .... if you think otherwise please let us all know.

You don't know Mo's origins. Anyhow, regardless the point is irrelevant because people have fun in different ways, for some there always needs to be alcohol to have fun so he probably just responded to that.

 

[Madplayer]

Whatever that might be ... everyone would be able to try it out and check for themselves. There is a reason why Alcohol isnt a banned substance in most countries.

Jumping off the cliff also gives thrill to the people before they smash their heads on the ground. You wont know how enjoyable Taking drugs is untill you try it. There is no substitute to these thrills. But some people dont want to try it because the very thought of such things harming their health or well being makes it a not so good thing to try for them which they know they wont enjoy doing.

 

[LastManstanding]

So who exactly forced him?

His religion.

 

[Amirforpresident]

His religion.

How do you know? Hé may have drunk a lot in the past and now doesn't want to do it anymore. And your religion telling you not to drink doesn't mean he is tied up and cant drink. It is still his own choice not to do so.

 

[Madplayer]

His religion.

Why doesnt religion force other muslims who drink alcohol? Oh ofcourse, it only forces some and it doesnt force others. This is possible. But it isnt possible that Moeen used his brains and took a decision on his own. Thats too far fetched.

 

[LastManstanding]

Why doesnt religion force other muslims who drink alcohol? Oh ofcourse, it only forces some and it doesnt force others. This is possible. But it isnt possible that Moeen used his brains and took a decision on his own. Thats too far fetched.

I would assume the number of Muslims drinking alcohol or consuming pork would be miniscule as compared to Muslims abstaining from them. How many Muslims here hand to heart have tried alcohol in their lives?

We both don't know the reason about why moeen doesn't drink but the probability of a devout Muslim consuming alcohol and then leaving it is far less than not trying alcohol at all.

 

[waleed88]

What I find funny is in the sport industry they keep talking about diet control - yet us Asians in uk society is deemed as unhealthy if we eat our cuisine.

But the English diet can be equally as bad, however thr negligence over alcohol is amazing

Yes pretty ignorant on what has been a part of their culture and what they never 'deemed' wrong remains right regardless of what others say. But they expect others to conform to the ways they live in their life.

 

[srh]

Wish all humans stop drinking alcohol

 

[Madplayer]

I would assume the number of Muslims drinking alcohol or consuming pork would be miniscule as compared to Muslims abstaining from them. How many Muslims here hand to heart have tried alcohol in their lives?

We both don't know the reason about why moeen doesn't drink but the probability of a devout Muslim consuming alcohol and then leaving it is far less than not trying alcohol at all.

I wouldn't assume anything. And i dont think its right to say that his religion has forced him to not drink alcohol. Its like saying your school/family has forced you to be a good person.

He is living in a free liberal country and he can choose to do whatever he wants.

 

[ZyzzBrah]

Its never about calories about alcohol. It's the toxicity. It messes with your liver, conscience and has addictive potential.

I strongly disagree a diet should be based on calories in vs calories out with addition to including Marco tracking. Alcohol can be easily added to a diet and not throw it off course however one should not be drinking every day as it is a poison but should be reserved for nights out or special events. Also drinking within your means every now and then will not kill you. I think as Pakistani we need to explore a little.

 

[Amirforpresident]

I strongly disagree a diet should be based on calories in vs calories out with addition to including Marco tracking. Alcohol can be easily added to a diet and not throw it off course however one should not be drinking every day as it is a poison but should be reserved for nights out or special events. Also drinking within your means every now and then will not kill you. I think as Pakistani we need to explore a little.

Explore by drinking alcohol?
Why would you tell someone to drink something that is harmful for their health even if it is a little bit?

 

[Mamoon]

ECB needs to control the drinking culture in the team. It is pretty clear by now that the players are not capable of handling themselves when drunk/tipsy.

 

[Bilal7]

Moeen doesn't drink but it's not a decision he's made out of choice - just to point it out.

It is his decision because he's chosen Islam as his way of life, just like the other billion Muslims in the world.

This is like saying I know the feeling of riding a bike without actually having to do it. Or Kissing a girl without having to do it ... I could keep going with the analogies but I think you can use your imagination. Get it ?

There is no equal substitute available .... if you think otherwise please let us all know.

Yes, but Moeen did not say he enjoys the benefits of alcohol without drinking alcohol. He simply said that he has a good time without needing to drink alcohol. There are plenty of other ways to have a good time without drinking alcohol.

I really pity the people whose only means to happiness and enjoyment is getting drunk.

What has happened? Bairstow did nothing at all. Duckett poured a drink over his team-mate which is hardly drunkenness.
Aussie media will make mountains out of molehills and punishing your players will make morale worse and lead to worse results.

Unlike you, the ECB and the English players themselves know the importance of acting like professionals while on tour. The Australian media has blown things out of proportion but why would you be stupid and give them the opportunity in the first place?

 

[finalfantasy7]

Yes pretty ignorant on what has been a part of their culture and what they never 'deemed' wrong remains right regardless of what others say. But they expect others to conform to the ways they live in their life.

Thing is I was very good at football - being scouted for Nottingham forest and Southampton - which I did have trials and became successful.

At Southampton they basically said I need to socialise thr way and especially change foot habits - meaning I have to forget eating halal as it won't be available in any other club - if I made it.

I replied the same comment back to the scout/coach - on what you highlighted. He had no response. But stated to make it you have to do what your told by numerous of parties.

Which I knew what he meant - because I had trials with 1 other person who played at my school - Leon best - he played for them for few years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If ECB banned alcohol on tour, the England boys would still act up.

Mo is right but the bottom line is how you perform on the field. If you win, nobody cares.

 

[ZyzzBrah]

Explore by drinking alcohol?
Why would you tell someone to drink something that is harmful for their health even if it is a little bit?

Go check the calorie and macro content of pakistanibfood and then come talk to me about health and what’s harmful. South Asian men have the worst genetics because of such diets and are not natural athletes by any regard. Alcohol in moderation is not harmful it’s a cultural taboo.

 

[Amirforpresident]

Go check the calorie and macro content of pakistanibfood and then come talk to me about health and what’s harmful. South Asian men have the worst genetics because of such diets and are not natural athletes by any regard. Alcohol in moderation is not harmful it’s a cultural taboo.

We are not talking here about how unhealthy Pakistani food is, but about ALCOHOL.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Really tired of people who shove their living style down other people's throats. Good for you if you do not eat meat or do not drink alcohol. Let's not judge others who enjoy these things.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Explore by drinking alcohol?
Why would you tell someone to drink something that is harmful for their health even if it is a little bit?

A glass of red wine every day is good for heart.

 

[Amirforpresident]

A glass of red wine every day is good for heart.

Yeah sure

 

[Tusker]

Yes, but Moeen did not say he enjoys the benefits of alcohol without drinking alcohol. He simply said that he has a good time without needing to drink alcohol. There are plenty of other ways to have a good time without drinking alcohol.

I really pity the people whose only means to happiness and enjoyment is getting drunk.
?

Why don't you actually list these nonalcoholic ways of enjoyment that are equally as good as those that involve Alcohol? That should sort out who pities who automatically.

Something tells me we will shortly see some goalposts being shifted.

 

[James]

Theoretically there would be nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. It is of course enjoyable to drink alcohol and there is evidence of some benefits such as improved cardiovascular health. However the problem is that it is very difficult to drink modest amounts weekly. I don’t know many people who drink who could honestly and objectively say that they do it in moderation.

 

[shaz619]

Theoretically there would be nothing wrong with drinking in moderation. It is of course enjoyable to drink alcohol and there is evidence of some benefits such as improved cardiovascular health. However the problem is that it is very difficult to drink modest amounts weekly. I don’t know many people who drink who could honestly and objectively say that they do it in moderation.

The whole point is to get smashed, no such thing as moderation. To be honest, it's a cultural problem; I've heard they love their drink in eastern european countries to but they tend to control themselves and enjoy each other's company rather then brawl or something

 

[Wristy_Shuffler]

There is a logical flaw in this stmt ... Moeen can never possibly understand how much enjoyment can be had over a long drinking session with buddies without breaking any laws or causing harm. You just don't. So therefore he has no basis to claim equal enjoyment without getting high.

Well, if you really want to be pedantic about it then there's no logical flaw in his argument/statement at all. He says that he enjoys himself as much as others without the alcohol. He does not say "Oh I enjoy myself just as much when I don't drink than when I do drink". All you can infer from his statement is that he feels just as good as any one he socialises with, at least from what he sees on the outside.

It's just a general statement but of course, modern society creates people who are of weak mentality and rely on alcohol as a crutch to deal with life's ups and downs and when this source of coping mechanism is threatened even in the slightest, the insecurity of those who rely on this crutch causes them to lash out and make exaggerated statements - case in point your silly argument (if you can even call it that) about Moeen's quote.

Of course, it's not just you, this thread is full of them - "uh, I'm a Jew and I know that South Asian diet is bad for you, so what's the deal a bit of alcohol?"

"duh, yh, red wine is gud for ur heart" (No it's not, not even a glass a day).

And to be fair, I don't even blame people who drink their daily tensions away, life is difficult and everybody has their own way of coping but this thread was supposed to be about Moeen's very reasonable response to some immature behaviour from his team mates but of course any time a Muslim or any outwardly religious looking person makes a statement about something like this, some people think their way of life is threatened.

Moeen doesn't drink but it's not a decision he's made out of choice - just to point it out.

Actually, he probably has more freedom than most. Spends tours away from home/family, comes from a multicultural background and socialises with a team that encourages and normalises a culture of drinking, he probably has seen enough to decide what he wants and does not want in life. We are of course basing this on the assumption that he does not drink and never has.

 

[Mp812]

Commenting on personal choices of teammates or judging on personal choices is something one should avoid. Or if you do be open for same in return

 

[waleed88]

Thing is I was very good at football - being scouted for Nottingham forest and Southampton - which I did have trials and became successful.

At Southampton they basically said I need to socialise thr way and especially change foot habits - meaning I have to forget eating halal as it won't be available in any other club - if I made it.

I replied the same comment back to the scout/coach - on what you highlighted. He had no response. But stated to make it you have to do what your told by numerous of parties.

Which I knew what he meant - because I had trials with 1 other person who played at my school - Leon best - he played for them for few years.

That sucks!!! Pretty ignorant and biased in terms on their preferences

 

[shane]

The Australian media is basically a pack of dingos looking for English blood. These drinking incidents are trivial but why would you give them even the slightest sniff? Aren't these tours difficult enough as it is?

 

[Mamoon]

Yeah sure

Actually, he is right.

 

[Mamoon]

While it is true that the ECB needs to impose some regulations, we should not shy away from the fact that it was inappropriate for Moeen to come out and take a jibe at his teammates.

He seems to be taking a moral high ground at the expensive of his teammates, which is pretty poor.