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"I don't drink and still enjoy myself as much as anyone else, just without the hangover" : Moeen Ali

I strongly disagree a diet should be based on calories in vs calories out with addition to including Marco tracking. Alcohol can be easily added to a diet and not throw it off course however one should not be drinking every day as it is a poison but should be reserved for nights out or special events. Also drinking within your means every now and then will not kill you. I think as Pakistani we need to explore a little.

Lol alcohol is a drug of abuse and the most widely abused drug in the world. There's no way you can just take it a little. You are bound to get addicted when something tragic or rough happens. And before you know it, you are addicted. I have quite some experience with detox in psych. Let me tell it's not good. Plus it also increases the chances of liver cirrhosis and failure, and that is irreversible stuff. Good that it is banned in Pakistan and prohibited in Islam.

The only pro about it is, it increases the body HDL levels if ingested in moderate amounts and that is too big a risk of such a harmful poison.
 
England's 'world has changed' after Stokes

England's most capped Test player and longest-serving captain Alastair Cook has launched a strident defence of his team's culture and work ethic, but admits "the world has changed" for the nation’s cricketers since the Ben Stokes incident last September.

Cook, who on Thursday will become the first England player to reach 150 Test appearances, claims his teammates have been unfairly portrayed as party people following two bar-related incidents in Australia that have compounded England’s winless record after two matches in the Magellan Ashes.

But England’s all-time leading runs scorer acknowledges that the couple of clashes at a bar in Claremont – the first involving wicketkeeper Jonny Bairstow and the most recent leading to England Lions' squad member Ben Duckett being suspended and fined – have harmed public perception of the nation's elite cricketers.

And that his teammates need to adapt quickly to the changed landscape of a post-Stokes world lest they risk further diminishing the sport's currency and appeal in the eyes of the British public.

"I’ve seen the words written down 'trivial', 'a misdemeanour at best', 'very low key' but since the Stokesy thing in September the times have changed for the English cricket team," Cook said on Tuesday as England prepared for a Test that he claimed was the biggest in the lives of the current Test team.

"It’s sad in one sense because we’ve always been a bit different from football and been able to go under the radar a bit – enjoy playing cricket for England and also enjoy seeing the country outside of that.

"Obviously, at the moment that has changed.

"Those last incidents have proved that there’s very little margin for error when you’ve had a beer.

"To say we’ve got a drinking culture in this team I think is very unfair, but we’ve just got to smarten up and we’ve got to do it quickly because there’s just too much at stake.

"There's the personal, a bloke’s career, but you also want to leave the side and the (England) cap in a good place after every tour and after every game.

"And people pay a lot of money to come and watch us here in Australia, at home the support we get is fantastic so we’ve got to try and build that trust up."

Cook was captain of England in 2013 when they defeated Australia 3-0 in the UK to retain the Ashes that they had won back on home soil in 2009 and successfully defended in Australia in 2010-11.

But the 32-year-old claimed today that 2013 victory had not been greeted with the sort of acclaim that England fans traditionally exhibited for an Ashes triumph, largely due to the dour style of play the team exhibited under then coach Andy Flower against an Australia outfit the British public believed was markedly inferior.

As a result, Cook claims England's cricketers have had to work hard in the intervening years to win back the engagement and goodwill of many fans in their homeland and anything that tarnishes the team's image will undermine those efforts.

However, despite the headlines that have accompanied Bairstow's unconventional encounter with Australia opener Cameron Bancroft at the start of England's tour and Duckett's beer spilling exploits last week, Cook stood staunchly behind the character of the current touring party.

Having started his Test career in 2006 as part of a team captained by Andrew Flintoff and which included Andrew Strauss (currently director of England Cricket) and Kevin Pietersen, Cook rates this current team as the most diligent and committed he has been involved with.

"The one thing I will say about this England side, and that’s even changed since I was captain, I’ve never see a team work as hard as this side is working," Cook said.

"Whether we win, lose or draw, whether we play well or we play rubbish, the effort from the guys is unbelievable.

"There’s a group of men in there, 16 or 17 of them who are desperately to do well.

"Trevor (Bayliss, England coach) is cancelling practice sessions after three and a half hours, four hours saying 'you’ve got to stop now, you’re wasting energy, you’ve got to save it for the Test match'.

"And that’s just because people are desperate to do well.

"At the moment, I don’t think we’re getting painted fairly in the media, on our culture."

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/engl...stow-duckett-australia-ashes-perth/2017-12-12
 
Michael Vaughan: Some England cricketers are behaving like students - send them home

Michael Vaughan has accused some of England’s cricketers of “going out like students” in Australia and warned that offenders will have to be “sent home” if they refuse to exercise restraint.

The former England captain was commenting after Ben Duckett was fined £1,500 and given a final warning for pouring a drink over Jimmy Anderson.

“When your team’s under surveillance, to think you’ve gone back to the same bar where the [Jonny] Bairstow [headbutt] incident happened - the first night you’re back in town - it’s just stupid,” Vaughan said.

“You can’t fathom the mentality of people, in the team room having a quiz night, going - right we’re going out, we’ve found a venue and it’s The Avenue Bar.

“As much as I think it’s trivial - lads have always gone out drinking, and sometimes it brings teams together - there are more problems with the cricketing side of this tour, which have been overshadowed by the off-field stuff.

“I look at the cricket side, and there’s a problem. The off-field stuff is grabbing headlines, and rightly so. The problem with incidents like Jonny’s and the one that happened the other day, you have to look at the whole group as one.

The majority of this England team are very professional. They train as well as I’ve ever seen an England team train. But you have one or two bad eggs in the group.

Let’s be honest, they act like students when they go out. They’re England cricketers. That’s what England have got to put right. The cultural side of what cricket is in terms of the alcohol - I do think that needs to change.”

All in Perth acknowledge that the Ben Stokes affair changed the dynamic for players on this Ashes tour, and the debate has now widened to how players occupy themselves on long trips.

“I think it’s a job for the game,” Vaughan said. “It [cricket] has always had the feeling that we drink a lot. As soon as the game finishes, we get stuck in. I think the way they drink these days is different. I think they’ve gone into the world of what students do - big trays of shots.

“In terms of the game, it’s important we don’t talk about what we did and say it was great, because it wasn’t, the majority of the time. We were unprofessional for the majority of our playing days. We went out too much.”

Vaughan was aghast that Duckett behaved as he did 36 hours before a tour game. He said: “They’re in a world now where the game’s faster, there’s more money at stake, there’s everything there for the player. I look at Ben Duckett and his mentality, where he’s playing for England on a Saturday - this is a chance. Pour a drink over anyone’s head if you want, but you’re playing for England on Saturday.

“You’re not in the England team. If you go out and get 150, England are 2-0 down in the Ashes and we’re all talking about the batting. Where is his mentality at that he wants to be out that late when he’s playing for England. Where is his mindset to think that’s right?

“One or two other players are out of the team. What are they thinking going out on a Thursday night? They’ve been sat on the sidelines for three weeks. If Trevor Bayliss [the England coach] feels he’s got to get rid of a few people, that’s what he’s got to do.”

“I’ve never agreed with curfews, but if that’s the only way they can keep these players in, they’ll have to keep it around the team for a while. It’s not the right thing, because you want people to act like human beings, but if you can’t trust them to act like human beings you’ve got to bring your curfew in.

“I do think the punishment’s got to be a bit stronger now. It’s come to the stage where every England cricketer needs to be sat in a room and told - yeah, do what you want, but if you bring any bad publicity on the team, the surveillance will be on you, so any small incident will be a big one - you’ll just get sent home.

“I hope in their own groups they are quite embarrassed about what’s being written about them. It’s like the Fredalo incident - I was quite embarrassed by it. It just didn’t look good on us all. Ben Duckett’s a young kid. I would question the senior players who were in the bar that night. They are the role models all those young players should be looking up to.

“It’s the ultimate crime to go back to the place where the last crime took place. And it winds me up when I hear people blaming social media. Social media didn’t pour a pint over someone’s head. It’s an easy excuse.

“The perception of this England team is that they drink and they party too much. There’s only one way to deal with it. Don’t do it. And don’t do it for a period. They’re going to have to earn the trust of the supporters. The majority of people back home will think - come on, guys, we’re 2-0 down in an Ashes series, let’s be reasonable.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/...an-england-cricketers-behaving-like-students/
 
Well, if you really want to be pedantic about it then there's no logical flaw in his argument/statement at all. He says that he enjoys himself as much as others without the alcohol. He does not say "Oh I enjoy myself just as much when I don't drink than when I do drink". All you can infer from his statement is that he feels just as good as any one he socialises with, at least from what he sees on the outside.


and we know that there is no way to find that out without having tried it ... hence the logical flaw.
 
Go check the calorie and macro content of pakistanibfood and then come talk to me about health and what’s harmful. South Asian men have the worst genetics because of such diets and are not natural athletes by any regard. Alcohol in moderation is not harmful it’s a cultural taboo.

Agreed that Desi Food is not that healthy. But How does this make consuming Alcolol as Healthy?
 
The whole point is to get smashed, no such thing as moderation. To be honest, it's a cultural problem; I've heard they love their drink in eastern european countries to but they tend to control themselves and enjoy each other's company rather then brawl or something

Among youngsters.

I'll have a glass a wine over dinner with Mrs Robert. A pint or two down the pub. But that's it for me these days. Think the last time I got drunk was Christmas before last at a works do. Drank a bottle of wine and pitched a quarter-formed biz idea to a captain of industry....
 
Among youngsters.

I'll have a glass a wine over dinner with Mrs Robert. A pint or two down the pub. But that's it for me these days. Think the last time I got drunk was Christmas before last at a works do. Drank a bottle of wine and pitched a quarter-formed biz idea to a captain of industry....

Yeah it's more of a problem amongst youngsters, students and adults aged 25-40 roughly. People your age are generally more mature with a few exceptions:afridi
 
Good for him I guess. Also like the fact that he didn’t make it preachy and just stuck to what he likes and dislikes.

People giving this another spin might be the problem.
 
Lol alcohol is a drug of abuse and the most widely abused drug in the world. There's no way you can just take it a little. You are bound to get addicted when something tragic or rough happens. And before you know it, you are addicted. I have quite some experience with detox in psych. Let me tell it's not good. Plus it also increases the chances of liver cirrhosis and failure, and that is irreversible stuff. Good that it is banned in Pakistan and prohibited in Islam.

The only pro about it is, it increases the body HDL levels if ingested in moderate amounts and that is too big a risk of such a harmful poison.

Once again you’re taken it in a form of abuse and not moderation. You can consume alcohol in a moderate fashion and not suffer from the potent effects. I have never had a hang over or ever had any of the side effects the next day or long term effects. However if you abuse it such as an alcoholic then that is an issue. Even something as innocent as tuna can be potent if abused due to the mercury in the tin and can lead to various diseases. My point is if you do not abuse it you will be fine. None of the players abuse alcohol on the England side as if they did they would be in rehab trust me. The problem is they can’t control the volume on the given night of consumption and furthermore control the actions. As a uni student I consume sometimes more then every one on this forum combined and have never gotten into a fight or altercation. Also you choosing for people on Pakistan on if they can consume alcohol or not speaks volumes of the democratic nation it is lolz
 
Agreed that Desi Food is not that healthy. But How does this make consuming Alcolol as Healthy?

Just like Pakistani food alcohol is totally safe in moderation. That’s my point, once either is ensued it’s potent. The biggest killer is obesity which causes heart disease.
 
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